Well, let’s crack into the Brentford game. Arsenal took down their preseason foes with a fairly simple 3-1 victory. I think we saw some great play, it’s great to see the reserve team playing hard for the manager. There was style on display, some lovely goals and obviously, a goal for Brentford.
Danny Welbeck deserves special praise. His header was early on, he was clinical and used his height and power perfectly. His second goal was more about the team, it was #Emeryball from start to finish. The ball began from Leno and ended up the other end of the pitch with Danny there to sweep the ball home. A really classy number.
Old Danny is untapped potential. He has it all, power, pace, height, hardwork, and a knack for getting in the right positions. He’s just not very clinical. If there’s a way to fluff your lines, you can bet Danny’s done it. Hopefully, at the end of the season, we’ll see who he really can be as a striker. Hopefully, he becomes the lethal weapon we’d love him to be.
The final goal came from Lacazette bullying 4 defenders before smashing a low shot past the Brentford keeper.
A great start to a competition Wenger never managed to win. Extra impetus to make something happen this season.
In other news, John Cross put it all on the line saying Arsenal have withdrawn their contract off for Ramsey and he’ll be leaving next summer.
Now, the way the article reads is it’s the clubs choice.
For me, Arsenal are a business. We need to look out for the future. The notion that Ramsey shut off contract talks forever in September seems a touch odd. Basic client strategy would say that if he has no intention of signing, at least string the club along so they don’t drop you for the season.
Emery cannot afford to have an uncommitted player as his number 10 for 8 months. It wouldn’t make sense. We saw exactly what happened last season. Sanchez and Ozil were ok before Christmas, then it all went to shit the back half of the season. The rumours, the lack of commitment in games, the rumblings behind the scenes. Picture yourself on an 8 month notice period, do you think you’d be going hard for a club y0u’re bombing off? Or do you think you’d be protecting your ability to sign a pre-contract with Juve in January?
If, and it’s a big if… Ramsey has told the club it’s 0ver. Then we have to move to sell him in January. Save money on his contract, recoup a fee and save on the ball ache of carrying a passenger.
I’d been told in the summer from my best source that the agent of Ramsey was pushing for Ozil money.
The club made this position even worse when the new manager said he wanted to the build the team around the Welshman. You give away all you leverage when you position the player as integral.
The worst move Ivan Gazidis made last year was sanctioning the extension of Mesut Ozil. We are paying £350k a week to a player the whole of Europe passed on last year. A player who still looks very checked out. A player who has been relegated to a position he doesn’t want to play. Now a player, who let’s be honest, is far more valuable to the Emery system, is likely to leave because we can’t pay him that.
… but we’ll see. Raul and Sven are stupid. I can’t believe there’s not a plan to deal with this. I’d be very surprised if we lose him on a free.
Anyway, that’s all I’ve got today. Listen to the podcast.
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Un
I have always rated Mhkitaryan,would like to see him be a regular …his best play is always in the final third and in and around the box ,his worst play is often in the midfield area…play him where he does the most damage.
so it would be a combined decision and not a unilateral decision of just Unai.”
Bet you had no issues hopping on the bandwagon to pillory Wenger when the exact same scenario presented itself with Sanchez
Looks like you are jumping in first in time to rid Emery of any or no blame when or if it happens he balls up the situation
Don’t need to fret he might well make the correction decision.
“Actually, Charlie, my belief that you harbor anti-American sentiments comes from a great many things you have said and the tone with which you’ve said them, not just from your occasional use of the phrase “Yank c*nt”.“
You’re like Trump, a “great many things” but you fail to name any of them. Right…
Another intelligence quip, but you refuse to answer whether you genuinely believe your own hype as far as that goes, or whether you think yourself more intelligent?
*correct decision
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dkP1CixxIbw
Be number one by Xmas
Blinding tuuuune
Un na naai – Good read. Thanks for the link. Victorious Yes, in the current setup, Unai does not have the power or authority of a unilateral decision. And plz keep Wenger away from it since he has nothing to do with Unai’s courage. I simply asked you what could be the decision that Unai makes re Ramsey that would make you think he has/hasn’t the balls to manage Arsenal since you made such a bold statement. If you don’t want to state it, fair enough. I’ve stated my preference on how we should deal with Ramsey. He does not… Read more »
“He does not deserve anything. Let’s hope we can sell him in January and take out the best of him until then to justify his wages.”
And If Emery does the opposite of this and continues to stick him in the team what would you make of his decision ?
Would that mean he failed to get right his very first big decision for the club?
It would be a poor judgment call victorious. One you seem gleefully eager to witness
It would be a poor judgment call victorious. One you seem gleefully eager to witness
Agree with u on your first sentence but then you couldn’t be any more far from the truth in your second
Absolutely everything since he joined has been a big decision. Squad selection, choice of tactics, transfer market involvement. Ramsey is one of half a dozen big deals emery has been having to handle since he joined
But the pant wetting excitement in anticipation of emery not handling Ramsey well so that you can slunk back off into your corner and crack another nut into yesterday’s soiled Kleenex is absolutely embarrassing to behold.
Wenger got blamed for fucking shit up because he totally ran the show
Emery should be blamed primarily for on field issues such as selection, tactics etc
His job title is head coach, not manager.
A lot said about what Ozil earns, rightly so, but didn’t the club get hold of his substantial comercial earnings in paying him that wage?
“And If Emery does the opposite of this and continues to stick him in the team what would you make of his decision ?”
What’s the opposite action? Can you state it? If not, there’s no point of debating.
I’m finding it hard to understand Pedro’s new love in with Danny Nogoals Welbeck
Victorious, I got it finally. Sorry I ran past your one liner logic. So for you, putting Ramsey in the team is the action that deduces to Unai not having balls to manage a team of Arsenal’s size? Fair enough. I agree that Ramsey is not suitable for the #10 role but he is being used there to start the press due to his energy while Ozil takes the creativity responsibility by drifting inside from the left midfield. As long as we are racking up 3 points, I have no reason to blame Unai…just yet. I hope he sees this… Read more »
Charlie I have never once claimed to be any more intelligent than any other person here. This is just another one of your stupid inventions. You made some dumb quip about me getting my knowledge about Israel-Palestine from Wikipedia, simply because I included a Wikipedia link (for reference) below one of my comments last night. To this, I replied, “actually, I read books” and quipped that you should try the same sometime. This is literally standard-issue Le Grove back-and-forth. And yet now you’re trying to make it out that I took some inexcusable dig at your intelligence or tried to… Read more »
“To this, I replied, “actually, I read books” and quipped that you should try the same sometime. This is literally standard-issue Le Grove back-and-forth.And yet now you’re trying to make it out that I took some inexcusable dig at your intelligence or tried to over-glorify my own. Complete nonsense.“ Except it’s not this in isolation that’s prompted the question, you’ve been castrated time and again for your arrogance and self adulation. The “over-glorifying” of your own intelligence is commonplace. This was merely further (and more direct) application of that, hence the curiosity. Amusing that this sort of curiosity invokes the… Read more »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wD3wCwPHgpU
Very funny
Ramsay played us the injury freak fucker…
Just watching the Brett Kavanagh hearing.
Only in America. Is it real or is it a movie?
It sounds as if this was down to Sanellhi, the rumour is there was a deal on the table up until very recently and Arsenal removed their offer and will not be offering anything else. Seems as if Gazidis went out, Sanellhi has come in and this has happened. Sanellhi also has a reputation as a tough negotiator, plays tricks etc when dealing. Could be we’ve genuinely decided Ramsey is not worth it, could be a Sanellhi tactic to cut him loose and then when it is Ramsey and his agent who make the first move to negotiate Arsenal are… Read more »
AlexanderH
“Just watching the Brett Kavanagh hearing. Only in America. Is it real or is it a movie?”
It’s one of the few lifelong appointments in our Government. His decisions will mold everything about the country in the coming decades.
He’s too shifty for my liking. He tried to paint himself as a virgin-choirboy earlier when he should have just come out to admit that he drank like most 17 year old’s did in his time.
The damage is already done to the institutions.
I can’t even bring myself to watch it. It’s all a sham.
Cesc
“It sounds as if this was down to Sanellhi, the rumour is there was a deal on the table up until very recently and Arsenal removed their offer and will not be offering anything else…”
If this is true, I have to welcome the club’s newfound decisiveness… and offer my apologies to Ramsey. Perhaps, he’s not a greedy mercenary after all.
Was it Gazidas who was preventing Raul more proactively? We will never know though will we?
David Ornstein confirms that the contract offer with Ramsey has been withdrawn.
Dissenter
I get the sense that America has reached some kind of crossroads.
The total distrust and and hate that seems to exist between democrats/republicans and Liberals/conservatives is really damaging your country.
..we’ve got Brexit of course. It’s similar.
AlexanderH
I really think the cords that bound the country together is irrevocably broken.
The “United States” is a misnomer.
This is just another handing of the baton from one power to another. China won’t even have to do that much.
*cords that has bound the country
Former Gunner Stewart Robson explains why Gazidis’ tenure at Arsenal will be remembered ‘as a failure’ Stewart slams Gazadis for his transfer business in charge of the club, saying he’s paid to much for average players “His time at Arsenal will be seen as a failure. There are a lot of things I think he’s done wrong. “What Gazidis is very good at doing, is he’s a great talker and he’s a very good networker. “When he came to Arsenal I knew a very high profile sports agent, who told me he was ‘the worst negotiator’ he had ever dealt… Read more »
Leeds
It could be a case of Arsenal offering what they think is fair, Ramsey asking for way above it, Arsenal moving a little and Ramsey just not budging so Arsenal have said f**k you basically and pulled the whole thing.
With Rabiot going into the last year of his deal and Emery having praised him in the summer it could be we end up trading out Ramsey for Rabiot which I am on board with.
Seems that Ramsey believes Arsenal cannot make him leave in January. That sounds like a challenge that Emery and Sanellhi should accept.
Dissenter
Re. Ramsey leaving on a free next summer. That’ll only happen if we are stupid enough to still play him. If we bench him and give him zero minutes he’ll fly out the door ASAP before his value falls even further. But it’s totally reliant on us not playing him at all. Are we that ruthless? I have my doubts. Id have him in the u23s tomorrow personally.
“With Rabiot going into the last year of his deal and Emery having praised him in the summer it could be we end up trading out Ramsey for Rabiot which I am on board with.”
That would be a superb move but I fear we’re going to be outgunned by the big spenders like Man City whose also circling but maybe they’ll go for Ramsey instead?
Arsenal finds backbone and refuses to offer unrealistic salaries to decent but in the big picture, unremarkable players.
Gazidas announces imminent departure.
Coincidence?
I think not!!
Pedro
The comments section of this blog is like being a kid stuck in a dysfunctional marriage where the parents bicker and bite at each other over every minutiae of their life.
In the name of all that’s holy please install Discus on the site so that those of us who want to read and chat about the beautiful game, can do so without the perpetual crabby cock size competition that carries from one post to the next!
We could simply swerve the non football comments from the angry crew, all of whom I’m convinced sit down to piss!
Leedsgunner
The only thing about Rabiot is that Guendouzi is very similar to him in style, of course less developed.
I think we should take a punt on Guendouzi, who to date has shown a truckload of potential and should be at least the equal of Rabiot in a short time.
Ramsey has had 400 days injured in 5 seasons. He’s an average player holding Arsenal to ransom. Another player trying to get their way or they’re off!! Well bye then. I really hope Emery doesn’t allow himself to get pushed into raising his money. He’s already on 100k isn’t he? what does he want 250k? is he eyeing up an Ozil sized paypacket? Emery said Ramsey is important to the team so he’ll get the game time, so to me, it can only be about the money. He’s yet another player that has been supported endlessly by our team to… Read more »
Steiner
How about you just ignore the comments you don’t fancy.
Good to get revenge on the mighty Brentford. Ramsey can’t be sold quick enough IHMO. Highly amusing to see Charlie boy and Bamford go at it with ☠︎emerygate. Those 2 should start a comedy act to bring back the Morecambe & Wise guise. But who would be who? My guess is ultra self important Charlie boy would claim the Morecambe role with Bamford being Wise in the patsy role. I thought Iwobi did well again; good to see him working hard and I’d have him in the staring 11 this weekend. Some really good posts this week from the usual… Read more »
N5 I echoed your sentiments earlier but if the rumours are true and its was the CLUB who walked away it puts a different complexion on things. Indeed since this story broke multiple sources are reporting that a 4 year deal was all but signed. What has changed suddenly? Surely the answer is Gazidas’ departure. I suspect Ivan was expecting Ramsey to sign. However it is now clear to me that Raul and Sven didn’t agree and they have pulled the plug. If they have done so, they would have only done so if they had a definite contingency plan.… Read more »
Steiner
Re Rabiot and Guendouzi
Point taken and well made, thanks!
I confess I haven’t watched Rabiot enough to see that comparison, so happy to take your point on board. (If given the choice I watch Bundesliga more than Ligue Un.).
Do you know the PSG squad well? How does Guendouzi compare to the boy Yacine Adil we were supposedly very close to bringing in?
>… but we’ll see. Raul and Sven are stupid.
That escalated quickly.
Steiner I don’t share tor confidence that guen should be as good as rabbiot in a short time
He might be. Hopefully. But how many young players don’t fulfill their potential? 95%
*if* rabbiot can be had on a free and is willing to come we’d be insane not to pick him up unless his wage demands are stratospheric like ozil
If he can be got for 200k/w then sign da guy up!
I think rabbiot would bring a bit of genuine star quality to our midfield to outside of torreira totally lacks it
at the moment only good news coming out of the arsenal camp. Ramsey off in Jan, finally. Hope we get in a decent winger with the money. I think the three spots in midfield is already crowded, we need players in wing positions.
Gonsterous you’re not wrong it’s crowded I do think if we could get rabbiot on a free (highly unlikely) he would be a huge opportunity tho Top priority are wing and CB right now for me I’m really excited for the Watford game. This is the first time I’ve been constantly looking forward to seeing arsenal and gutted when I missed them for about 5 years All the apathy and anger is blowing away. We have a lot of things we need to change and improve in terms of performances and also playing staff but for the first time in… Read more »
I’m a little concerned that the Ramsey story will turn out to be nothing and a year from now we’ll still watch him fannying around but for 300k a week
Cheers Tony
The only Ritz I’ve stayed in was in Tianjin. Supposedly it’s ‘the worst ritz in the world’ and it’s still fucking glorious. Would like to see the one in Thailand
also, shouldn’t the ramsey problem be Wengers fault? How could he have not negotiated the deal when the last summer ? The first thing emery and co did this summer was make sure everyone with a 2 year deal got a new deal. Ramsey coming into his last had more power to negotiate. Should have sold him in the summer. Has offered us next to nothing this past few months.
I can’t bear to open another podcast in case it starts with the dreadful … Mirrrorrrr Maaaayyyuuunnn …. I’m scared …
Watford will be interesting. Been very impressed with them so far this season.
Deeney and co could cause a few problems.
2-1 Arsenal.
7/7!
Don’t get the big deal with Ramsey. He’s a slightly above average player that has largely been anonymous for us.
He’s in the same category as Walcott for me. A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
If Ramsey is history, I would think about bringing one of youngsters through into the first team as an interim measure. Obviously this wouldn’t be a like for like replacement with the same level of finesse and experience that Rambo has now… but it would be a telling signal to our most talented youngsters that their future should be with us. Joe W.illock is ready for the first team and should be given a chance to prove himself. In fact, along with Smith Rowe, Eddie Nketiah and W.illock all should be given more playing time so that we can keep… Read more »
Love to know what the story is with Ramsay contract decision- agreement by both sides to be silent? Surprised Ramsay’s agent not up in arms….
Tony
“Guess I should really give you something to be antsy to bring out yet again how despicable – good word for you Pierre – I am.”
Why would I think you’re despicable …..a bit of a dick maybe…….but not despicable.
You’re a classic case of someone who is suffering from “Walter Mitty syndrome”…
Baying Mob
‘I can’t bear to open another podcast in case it starts with the dreadful … Mirrrorrrr Maaaayyyuuunnn …. I’m scared …’
Good point.
Pedro, I’ll write you a better jingle than that.
Between Wiltshire, Ramsey and Sanchez the club have missed out on a potential £120/140 mil. Just imagine what that could have bought. Add into that the possibility of welbz that’s another £20m. Then add the £150k per week over the top we pay Ozil and that’s another 26odd mil over 4 years we have lost out on. When the fuck did arsenal become such a shit cart in being a savvy profit making club……… oh yeah about 10 years ago when gazidis joined us. Between Kroenkes apathy, gazidis’ ineptitude and wengers inability to change and progress, we find our club… Read more »
Pedro “The club made this position even worse when the new manager said he wanted to the build the team around the Welshman. You give away all you leverage when you position the player as integral.” There is no evidence to suggest that Emery said he ” wanted to build the team around Ramsey ” or he is “integral” to the team…. Emery’s comment below is the closest I could find to what you’re implying but to me, this comment is normal considering Ramsey ‘s contract situation . At no time has Emery said or implied that he wanted to… Read more »
When we first had Ramsey, I thought the guy would captain arsenal one day and indeed he did….Rambo was potentially a great player and leader.
What we have seen is glimpses of that form and not the total fearless application of his skill.
Whether that’s his post shawcross effect or too many years under Wenger, I can’t speculate accurately. What’s clear is that he is not a great loss anymore…..and it’s a shame.
But Emery will deal with that I’m sure.
TinyD Hilarious that you gravitate towards a made up concept of one poster earning more than another (something that neither involved has even mentioned). Your total lack of self awareness gets all the more impressive with your quips about your suite at the Ritz Carlton, consulting your successful former employee, upgrading your home sound system and the like. Such a classic small guy mentality, it’s hilarious. “The ‘luvvies & darlings’ world must be a good industry. I can imagine it to be very bitchy, so it no doubt suits you’re your pseudo intellect.” No idea what this even means, think… Read more »
In the 13/14 season Ramsey was immense. I think he had coq along side him who also had a beast of a season. I could be wrk g there tho.
I just remember Ramsey’s finishing. He slotted away from all angles, his runs were impeccable.
How does that just disappear. Real shame.
Pierre
Are you really back to this? Several newspapers reported that Emery said this in his meetings with the board. We went over this this summer. Many times. You’re really bizarre, mate.
Pierre
And to be more clear, the “this” above was the importance of Ramsey and Aubameyang to his plans.
anyway we can chant sell ramsey at Emirates or is that not showing any class ??
“Several newspapers reported that Emery said this in his meetings with the board.”
How would they know, are the board members off talking to several newspapers?
Your comment makes no sense.
Have to echo Bamfords comment Pierre. It’s not documented in media but there was lots of documentation of it being said during meetings with Emery that AR is important to the team. I don’t recall seeing one about him building the team around him, but certainly one about ‘integral’ to the future plans. As Leeds said, I think the change is IG has left which is why the stance towards AR has changed. I respect AR for the work he’s done for the club and I believe he’s now our longest serving player, but no player should ever have so… Read more »
CC, I believe it was one of the Share Holders meetings or AGMs. I remember reading it. However things said at those meetings should be taken with a pinch of sale.
or salt
I just re-read my first comment and have to amend the first bit. I meant to say it was an interview with the papers but it was documented by the media. I’ll try to find the link if I can.
Here is one that was said in the Metro: again heavy on the salt, but it’s up to you if you believe it or not.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/22/unai-emery-tells-arsenal-plans-build-team-around-aaron-ramsey-pierre-emerick-aubameyang-7566675/
N5
Yea or a bucket.. lol
Arsenal went hard with the PR regarding Ramsey in the summer. No idea why they felt necessary to play the card of him being here so long and being a fabric of the club.
As I’ve stated previously, reeks of the board looking to bend over to him and spin it as a win. We’re such fannys, this impasse/withdrawal doesn’t even feel like the real deal.
People have this nutty notion that Wenger hired Gazidis. He didn’t, he was Kroenke’s choice, and Wenger merely gave his ‘approval’, an insignificant gesture since Kroenke was the paymaster. For me the two worst irritants right now are Ozil and Ramsay. My solution to Ozil would be to give him to any club that will take him, saving the Club £17 mill p.a. Paying him that kind of salary was a matter of ego not common sense. Gazidis/Wenger couldn’t face a £43m player running down his contract. Whereas I’d be be overjoyed to see the back of Ozil, the departure… Read more »
@danny s… You are correct, he was immense….he had that eye for goal, had massive energy and spirit.
I think a lot of factors took the spirit from him at arsenal. I think many players recently had the guts drained out by Wenger. They kind of got used to playing at 90% for away matches in particular. A malaise of some degree had set in.
Emery may have fired up a new resurgence in players like iwobi, maybe wellbeck etc…but I get the impression Ramsey can’t motivate himself fully to play for arsenal.His time here is done….unfortunately
I agree CC, or it was his agent leaking it to the papers to drum up interest?
I knew I’d read it somewhere though and I know that it’s got a lot of people on either side of the fence.
Like you say though. Bucket of salt on most things Arsenal in the media.
I guess Emery was supposed to say he did not want Ramsey in the team when asked
Being important to the team and having a team built round you is not exactly the same thing or is it??
Danny
I don’t think it totally disappeared —- he had 11 goals and 9 assists last season, after all — but he is a form player and it’s certainly true that he has never reached that level of form again. Some of this is mental, some is physical/injuries, some is team chemistry / team play, some is the vagaries of form.
In the end, though, the things that have held Ramsey back, IMO, are his Hollywood-ism and his body/injuries.
England. I agree something has to be done about Ozil. He eats a massive amount of the allocated salary and he certainly doesn’t earn it. I was a massive fan of his and I really wanted it to work out but it’s not going too. He’s prime age now to be playing his best football and enjoying himself. But he’s miserable, lazy and frustrated. He’s quit Germany and I think if he had his way he’d quit it all.
Has there ever been a player with more potential going to waste?
most of the things said to the press are utter bs and mostly to not cause any controversy. If emery had come out and said, we are looking to make wholesale changes, not only will the value of players go down, we will also be causing negative headlines. Say everything is peachy while being ruthless from the inside.
“Being important to the team and having a team built round you is not exactly the same thing or is it??”
I don’t think anyone said it was?
It’s quite strange watching Ramsey’s career progress or regress at Arsenal. Normally a young footballer comes into the side and lacks experience and discipline and as their career progresses they evolve into a comp!ete footballer . Players like lampard ,Gerrard and scholes all improved over the years. With Ramsey ,his career seems to have gone in a different direction……my recollection of Ramsey ‘s early days is of a technically sound ,disciplined central midfielder who played for the team . Wenger should be partly culpable for allowing /instructing Ramsey to play without discipline in a 2 man midfield….. Maybe I became… Read more »
Perhaps we are beginning to see the end of mega transfer fees and wages at the Arsenal with focus on bringing in players who offer better value for money.
What appears to have happened at Arsenal is that the Ozil deal in January
has demonstrated clearly that offering mega wages to a player does not guarantee success and acts as a millstone in negotiations with other players
Ramsey is a decent player, but he is not a match winner and does not add significantly more to team than players currently on £60-80K pw.
gonsterous, exactly. You can drum up better value if suitors believe they are prying someone from your grasp. Agents do it, teams do it, players do it. It is just what it is.
I never believe a word the media says unless it’s on the Arsenal.com.
I must admit though, BBC tends to get it right quite often. They don’t tend to print hearsay.
N5
Possible the agent was playing the emotional game with leaks, but the club took that stance too with the arse kissing posts through the summer on social media.
Personally I detest that approach, only moreso with someone like Rambo. When I say that I’m talking about a guy who had a massive football club support him though a horrendous injury, pay him well, and persevere through numerous bit part campaigns. Boggles my mind to understand how he feels entitled to earning the money being touted
@Pierre, do you think the leg break might of had something to do with his plateau?
I don’t think anyone said it was?
So N5 what is wrong with Emery saying he was important? How does that weaken the club negotiation wise?? Is Ramsey supposed to be made to feel unwanted to force him to sign a new contract ??
Hairline, I’m not really sure what you’re asking. I never said there was anything wrong with it. In fact I said the opposite. That I understand why it’s done.
CC, fully agree. I said last night. He’s had 400 days injured in 5 seasons and the club continued to support him and pay him handsomely. He’s done amazingly well. Is loyalty a thing any more?
N5
No I don’t ,not at all ..
My problem with Ramsey is all to do with game management and discipline.
Bamford is probably frantically looking for proof of this ” building the team around rqmsey” comment.
He’s wasting his time…….it was newspaper /media bullshit
N5
That’s unreal. I mean it’s not like he’s kicking up a fuss about ambition (which is respect more), he literally just seems to want wages he has no right asking for, and is digging in for them. Nah, bin for you.
RvP got dogs abuse from some fans for wanting out after he’d been injury-hit, but at least he was being selfish in pursuit of sporting success. He didn’t hold the club to ransom through entitlement, he told us to swivel because we weren’t being ambitious.
Spot on CC. So often players leave me with a bitter taste when they go.
Arsenal get mocked by other fans for how many ex-players we boo. People think Arsenal are entitled and act like children when players leave, but so many have behaved badly that someone somewhere needed to start being held accountable.
Does players leaving like this happen to us more than other clubs, or does it just feel that way because it’s my team?
the things with jack and ramsey is more to do with ego than injuries. They have this air of “I’m a damn good footballer and I know it”. which works for players like Ronaldo who works hard in the training ground, being the first to arrive and the last to leave. But for jack and ramsey, just thinking it is enough. I’ve seen ramsey training and he’s super confident in his ability on the training ground. But goes to shit when he’s on the pitch.
Ramsey was deployed as the CM in both matches against AC Milan last season and was excellent and plenty “disciplined” positionally. This notion that he is incapable of playing his assigned position or to his manager’s instructions is way overblown. Yes, he likes to get forward, yes he has a bit too much of a taste for a bit of glory at times, but he is also hard-working and capable of following a manager’s instructions.
I’d have him in my XI over Xhaka every single day of the week.
@gonsterous. I believe Jack was more Arsenal than AR though. I read he offered to take a paycut to stay?
gonsterous
Agreed. Ego is a big part of Ramsey’s failings.
CC
RVP is in a league of ass-holiness along with his “mate” Adebayor.
Ramsey hasn’t thrown any tantrums, written any open letters or rake his studs on anyone’s face.
He has always played his style of football but never leaked any word of complaint to nobody.
When Wenger plonked him out wide, he did complain, but never on the pitch.
He can be selfish, but he never hides and always works his socks off.
He will have to water torture some puppies to get to RVP’s level.
Bamford no one here is doubting Ramsey’s positives
But when you and others dismiss Xhaka’s positives , demanding he does it against big teams, I ask how many big matches has Ramsey dominated for Arsenal??
Is Ramsey Irreplaceable??
You will have him in your eleven ahead of Xhaka, okay, can he keep play ticking over the way Xhaka does, is his passes as accurate?? Or will we rely on a player who often gets the ball stuck under his feet or tries flicks in places he should not to run our midfield??
Black hei
Disagree, I think RVP handles the situation poorly, or was ill-advised, but he’s not the panti villain fans made him out to be. Not even close to Ade running the length of the pitch and mocking the fans.
N5
No it absolutely happens more. It happens at other teams, but with lesser plays ie Emre Can.
Banford
That’s why taking you serious is a stretch too far, you claim he’s capable based on two games and ignore the 30 others.
Bamford
Ramsey was very good in the final v Chelsea so he is more than capable.
But if you look at the Brentford game the other night and who was in front of Lacazette as he was bearing down on goal in the last minute and had to frantically move out of the way …..Ramsey
Arsenal’s 2nd goal v Everton at the weekend …ozil through,aubamayang in the middle drops off to make space for himself to receive the pass and who turns up uninvited….Ramsey.
N5
what’s the use of taking a pay cut when you are not offering much to the club ?
he is still getting paid. I could go to work for Apple for 5 bucks an hour but I have no multimedia skills. Does that make me useful or the next guy who goes in there demanding 35 an hour but knows his stuff ?