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Fans went into meltdown yesterday over a player they thought Arsenal were signing because he went to Aston Villa. The internet exploded. The club is apparently finished. Villa are now a bigger club than us… because fans take rumours as fact.

Quite the spectacle.

Buendia is no doubt a top talent. He’s powerful, mobile, and energetic. He’s also a chance creation machine. But that doesn’t mean we were in for him. If we were, we’d have landed him. No doubt. There is not a world where a player picks Villa over Arsenal unless there’s something wrong with them.

I suspect that the reason we’re not moving on him is Odegaard.

The rumour that really should have us worried is Reuben Neves replacing Granit Xhaka. That feels a lot more Arsenal if I’m honest. He’s with Jorge Mendes, he’s just had a very average season, and his signing probably doesn’t move us forward. He’s not really that mobile, he’s been outclassed this season by our current midfielders, and he’s quite one-paced. He’ll not be cheap.

It’s a peak-Edu move in my opinion. No imagination.

SPURS WERE BINNNED OFF BY CONTE. Amazing stuff. Daniel Levy tried to lure him to convince Harry Kane the project wasn’t dead… then he received the middle finger because Conte doesn’t think winning values align. Magic.

Right, short one today because I’m traveling. See you tomorrow!

 

 

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  1. Tee

    Kinda funny Marko citing players who have just one or no year on their contracts as examples compare to a player who is contracted to Norwich till 2024.

    No news outlet reports we matched Villa offer pounds for pounds but reports villa bested us to sell papers to their gullible readers.

    Besides, Norwich aren’t inclined to sell by force. It’s a matter of you either stay or go to the highest bidder (still like 3years or so in his contract) since they just get promoted to the EPL and need everything to avoid fighting relegation.

  2. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    You rarely, if ever, understand what’s written to you. I don’t care that you responded to what I wrote, I find it funny that you make remark after remark about me being “argumentative” but go out of your way to interject into a convo I was having with another poster just to pass a critical personal comment.

    You do that whilst making today’s topic about ‘hypocrisy’. The irony.

  3. PhD2020

    Not sure,why posters are having apoplectic fits over us missing on signing Buendia.And equally having posters trying to justify that we don’t need him and he’s not ambitious or whatever other arguments are been used to support their arguments.

    One’s things for sure,low balling a club for said(insert player of your choice) player is just so Arsenal,if history is a bench marker or reference point to use as a guide.

    Who remembers when Arsene penny pinched over £1 million for Mark Schwarz circa 2010,who would have been an adequate replacement keeper (Almunia)for us at the time.He (Schwarz)wanted to come,he demonstrated this by submitting a transfer request to his club(Fulham) at the time.
    The issue-Fulham wanted £1 million more than what Arsenal were prepared to pay,which was around circa £3 million.Sounds familiar…

    Cristiano Ronaldo-tabling an £8 million bid for him, all but signed,sealed and delivered only for Manure to up the ante and offer £12 million.Our response?As usual to crumble and fold.

    Petr Cech(before joining Chelsea)-could have signed him in 2002 from Sparta Prague.Apparently issues were-unable to secure a work permit.

    Xabi Alonso-we all remember that one..Having undergone a medical.Arsenal tyre kicking over £3 million.We offered £15 million and Liverpool wanted £18 million.Result Alonso rocking up at Real Madrid.Sounds familiar?

    Yaya Toure-No need to comment on this one.What was cited-work permit issues?

    Di Maria-Could have signed him circa 2006.We had in fact lodged a bid and agreed a fee of around 5 million euros.Heaven knows what happened there.In order to save face,the reason for not signing him was due to work permit issues and image rights.Always a save facing excuse.

    Gary Cahill-Another tyre kicking exercise.We went in for Cahill during the 2011 season,whilst he was at Bolton, tabling an offer of £6 million.Which was rejected by the owner as being insulting and derisory.The following season(2012)Chelsea bought Cahill for £7 million. One million difference..Anyone surprised…??

    Mata(2011 before joining Chelsea)-We lodged a £17.5 million bid for Mata which was accepted by Valencia.Only for Arsene to dither,by not paying the release clause in time,waiting for the sale of Cesc to Barca to go through.Subsequently,having missed the deadline date- Mata’s fee had gone up,with Chelsea eventually purchasing him for £25 million.Sounds familiar?

    Higuain(2013)-That old chestnut.We tabled an offer for Higuain of circa £23 million.He wanted to come,granted Perez at Real Madrid upped the ante in negotiations.Napoli eventually moved in for him,a few weeks later and snapped him up for £31 million.

    Here’s the kicker,we then went in for Suarez,lodging the famous £40 million+1 bid.Which was more than the £8 million -Napoli eventually paid for Higuain(£31 million),so if we really wanted Higuain,we could have met Real Madrid’s asking price of £31 million.

    What makes this even more irksome,is that we eventually bought Ozil for £42.5 million close to transfer deadline,having lost to Aston Villa,to a chorus of jeers from the Arsenal fans.Thus prompting Arsene to buy Ozil to appease disgruntled fans for a position,that was not an immediate priority at that time.Our pressing concern was acquiring a striker of note.

    Anyone surprised?

    Suarez-2013(£40 million+1 bid)-Need I say anymore.Other than the chairman of Liverpool uttering the famous words,to paraphrase him-‘What are they smoking over there at the Emirates’.

    Kante(2016)-Having tabled a bid of around £20-25 million.Kante eventually went to Chelsea for £30-£32 million.The issue Arsene had?Apparently agents fees.Our response, buying Xhaka for £35 million.

    You just can’t make this stuff up anymore…Anyone surprised??

    We could go on,the list is endless.

    Just accept,we will go around tyre kicking every potential valuable player in transfer negotiations during the early window,only to make a last gasp transfer bid over and above market valuation for a questionable player of worth come deadline day.

  4. Mr Serge

    Are you lot still going on about buendia ? Ffs get over it he is not the only attacker in the world
    Raporta especially carrying on line we lost peak pires to villa ffs
    Fuck buendia let’s move on

  5. Emiratesstroller

    CC

    Arsenal would never pay today £40 million for a player who is not guaranteed a starting place in lineup.

    You are absolutely correct that the bonuses need to be factored into transfer fee.

    Having said that I am surprised that Arsenal did not make a bigger effort to buy him unless
    of course they still believe that there are better options if the club have to spend that amount
    of money.

  6. Captain Tierney

    Lets not put it any other way

    Buendia rejected us. Thats the harsh truth.

    Now for that there are many reasons. But the biggest one I believe is because Buendia knew he wasn’t our first choice.

    Fabrizio and Ornstein have stated that Odegaard is our first choice, everyone knows that by now

    We did bid for Buendia but it was a test the waters bridge. We just wanted to confirm our interest.

    On the other hand, Villa showed him he was their first choice and made him feel valued which is something players always look for.

    So in the end he decided not to wait for a club who doesn’t see him as their first choice and sign for a club which was ready to break their bank for him.

    Now if we were in UCL or made Buendia our first choice, it would have been a different story.

  7. Marko

    PHD is actually right we rarely ever go toe to toe with another club for a player we want we usually walk away with our tails tucked so why should Buendia be any different. I suppose the only difference is that now Mikel Arteta is manager and you have people trying to convince others that Arsenal doesn’t get turned down by players anymore…

  8. Champagne Charlie

    “The deal isn’t even £33m + bonuses. It’s £29.24m if my calculator is correct. There goes Charlie’s theory out the door. Wrong again!“

    How exactly?

    The figures I quoted are from the same source, whether it’s pounds sterling or Euro’s the discrepancy is the same.

    40 + 10% sell-on vs 30

    Put it in whatever currency you like, its the same thing. Raptora, ruffled again.

  9. Ishola70

    Charlie

    You are flat out refusing to believe that a player wasn’t too bothered in joining Aston Villa or Arsenal.

    It’s like the last five seasons hasn’t existed.

    If a player wants the real glory he doesn’t join Arsenal of 2021 does he. He may join if a lot of money is thrown at him but I don’t think Arsenal are in a position to throw really big amounts on players atm.

    Truth is Buendia probably didn’t see much difference between Aston Villa or Arsenal atm. Both clubs not in europe and Villa maybe showing him more of a plan forward than Arsenal which he liked.

    As others have noted Villa have quite an ambitious owner unlike our Stan.

  10. PhD2020

    Nickel and diming,incompetent,arrogant,carpet b.a.g.g.i.n.g ,unambitious(football wise) court jesters,with no plan or vision for trying to compete at the top level.

    What’s worse,we currently have a bunch of amateurs in the hot seat driving what remains of this club off a cliff,courtesy of an owner whose own ambitions are rather self serving and are at odds with what the majority of the fans wish for.

    Two consecutive eighth place finishes over two seasons and out of Europe.

    So what,if we’ve missed out on Buendia.What’s new?

  11. Champagne Charlie

    “You are flat out refusing to believe that a player wasn’t too bothered in joining Aston Villa or Arsenal.“

    No I’m not, I’ve made no comment on whether he was bothered joining either, in fact only reference I’ve made to that was days ago to Dissenter where I said if a player is choosing Villa over Arsenal then I don’t want him because that mentality is weak as piss.

    I just refuted your nonsense claim about player power that would’ve forced a move through when there was absolutely nothing in favour of that for Norwich. Almost like what I said at the top of it all is true, player power is circumstantial.

    “If a player wants the real glory he doesn’t join Arsenal of 2021 does he“

    No, he joins Villa apparently who finished 11th last season in their wonder season.

  12. Tee

    Buendia is the new Messi or CR7.

    “The deal isn’t even £33m + bonuses. It’s £29.24m if my calculator is correct. There goes Charlie’s theory out the door. Wrong again!”

    It still didn’t say we matched Villa’s offer for burn. Whatever he goes for, we offered less because all the news outlets you quoted before now revealed the offer to be in pounds whereas it wasn’t.

  13. raptora

    “Put it in whatever currency you like”

    The currency where half of the bonuses ever get paid. The difference was never 10+ million. Your whole arguement is based on Villa putting a 25% better deal which is wishful thinking or manipulating the facts. Fact is that neither me or you know the exact bonuses but it’s common knowledge that half of the bonuses are nearly impossible to achieve. The reasonable logic is that around 50% of the bonuses are completed and paid, which would make the whole ordeal around 34-35m then to reach the 10+ million margin Villa will have to sell Buendia for 50-60+ million. It’s more wishful thinking or bending the facts to suit your side.

  14. Terraloon

    Arsenal would never pay today £40 million for a player who is not guaranteed a starting place in lineup

    Ozil anyone , or what about Lacazeete or maybe even PEA or come to that Pepe.

    None of those players were or are guaranteed a starting place .

    ES I realise you are a glass half full chap but it really is time you woke up and smelt the coffee.

  15. Ishola70

    Charlie

    The real glory part is just to highlight there is no difference between Arsenal and Aston Villa atm really in that respect.

    Both clubs are not going to reach the real glory for a time.

    Buendia may have liked the ambition of the Villa owner and that they could be seen as a club on the up however humble that up has originated from.

    Arsenal on the other hand have been on a downward trajectory for a few good seaons now.

    That can have an impact on a player joining a club.

  16. Dissenter

    If Buendia was not the first choice and we knew the other club were bidding to buy him presumably to replace a £100 million outward transfer [Grealish], what was the purpose of bidding in the first place?
    The story that was told worldwide is that Villa beat Arsenal to a player that we’ve tracked for long and apparently bid for several times.

    The entire transfer approach is disjointed and devoid of any broad strategy.

    I mean it seems we are going to be making half-hearted bids because our first love (Odegaard) still offers a slim hope of coming to fruition. We are going to kicking tires until It’s abundantly clear that Ode isn’t coming.

  17. Terraloon

    Rap.

    Let’s face it none of us have a clue what went on in terms of did an offer get made or not.

    For me there was so much chatter re Arsenal interest I suspect he was on the wanted list but knowing Arsenal I can’t help but think that the offer was way lower that what Villa were prepared to offer added to that I can’t but help feel the HP terms Arsenal would have asked for were so extended as to be almost a joke

  18. Champagne Charlie

    Raptora

    You’re talking bollocks.

    The difference is 10+ million, its plain as day from the sources posting the info. Villa offered 33 basic plus add-ons reaching 40 mil, they also included a sell-on clause of 10% which leaves the actual potential value unaccounted for……hence the “10+”.

    – Arsenal offered 30
    – Norwich offered 40 including bonuses, plus the future sale

    Tell me again who is trying to manipulate the facts to suit them after you trot out the following drivel “but it’s common knowledge that half of the bonuses are nearly impossible to achieve.” It’s pathetic, the facts are the facts but you’re too busy trying to ‘LOL’ your way through yet another dim remark.

  19. Ishola70

    It’s not nonsense to claim that player power can be carried out if the selling club make that player very sellable on the market.

    Buendia wasn’t priced out. He was in a lot of clubs scope to buy. That’s why Arsenal had interest.

    This becomes then in favour of the player.

  20. Tee

    “Arsenal on the other hand have been on a downward trajectory for a few good seaons now.”

    But Villa who fought relegation two seasons ago and finished 11th last season is on upward trajectory? Lol.

  21. Champagne Charlie

    Ishola

    You’re going off on a tangent, as you do. I don’t care about the intricacies of deciding between Villa and Arsenal, my mind is very simply made up one that particular topic as I’ve said already.

    You argued if he wanted Arsenal he’d have made a fuss and landed here, and I’ve said that we still would’ve had to bid a sufficient amount according to Norwich. But alas, you cleared that up with your belittling comment to them that 30 mil is enough. Wildly out of touch.

  22. Ishola70

    Dissenter

    “presumably to replace a £100 million outward transfer [Grealish]”

    lol you know this is bullshit just by the sum quoted.

    What a nice round figure 100m is eh.

  23. raptora

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/emiliano-buendia-aston-villa-norwich-b1860478.html

    “Arsenal had offered equivalent personal terms to Aston Villa and were growing confident of completing the signing, however, the final decision remained with Buendia and he informed Arsenal’s technical director, Edu, of his choice on Friday.”

    It was a close offer. The difference was never that big. It’s that the player decided to go to Villa. For a lot of reasons obvious I reckon. We surely didn’t do enough to make him feel important and Martinez probably told him that Villa are the safer choice compared to an unsettled team.

  24. Marko

    Listen fellas you’re wasting your time if Emery was in charge and we missed out on Buendia his stance would be different so just forget it and move on you’re arguing unnecessarily at this stage

  25. Ishola70

    30m would have been enough if Buendia had indicated to Norwich I want to join Arsenal over Aston Villa.

    It’s Norwich ffs.

    They take the 30m.

  26. andy1886

    Stroller, ESR wasn’t playing in the #10 role once Arteta decided he wanted Odegaard there, he was shunted out wider on the left. So if we do sign Odegaard the same applies, it’s not ideal for ESR who I would rather play that position.

    One thing that Arteta’s taste in players doesn’t scream is ‘dynamic’. I can’t say I’m looking forward to another season of a snail paced safety-first passing game with little incisiveness and few goals. It certainly isn’t going to get the best out of Auba and I can’t see where else goals are going to come from.

  27. Dissenter

    Ishola
    What are you on about
    I’m suggesting that Arsenal’s bid was half hearted
    We didn’t make a clear presentation to the player about what position he was being sought for and we didn’t follow up on the initial transfer.

    What’s your point exactly, you seem to be fighting with the fire hose today, in a feisty mood, eh?

  28. Valentin

    Neves may be an upgrade on Xhaka, but not if he told to play deeper. Xhaka did not took upon himself to play deeper and to cover the left back position. He was instructed to do so by his manager.

    So if Arteta continue to use the same tactic, Neves (if we buy him or any Xhaka replacement for that matter) will also be tasked to play deeper and to cover for the advanced left back. The net effect will be the same. A deep laying midfielder who will be put under pressure, but now instead of having a left footer put under pressure, we will have a right footed midfielder pressed on the left which could make life more difficult for him to extricate from pressure.

  29. Moe

    Buendia didn’t buy into Arteta’s vision, whatever that supposed to be. We have to man up and take it on the chin. Arsenal beat up by mighty Aston Villa. You can’t freaking make this up.

  30. Ishola70

    Tee

    “But Villa who fought relegation two seasons ago and finished 11th last season is on upward trajectory? Lol.”

    As of now Villa are on an upward trajectory yes.

    The difference between two seasons ago Villa and the Villa just season passed is very marked.

    Arsenal in comparison are regressing stagnating at best over the last couple of seasons.

  31. China1

    Yeah look if this was 2002 and wenger was lowballing bids for players and they weren’t coming off I’d not care. We knew he had a plan and had so many tricks up sleeve etc

    Now if we go on after this and buy a similar or better player for the same or less, that will be a job well done. But as someone else said what odds on us now paying more for a similar or inferior player? This is literally a tradition at arsenal and I’ll be very surprised if it’s not upheld.

    The same could very well happen with xhaka. We’ll sell him cheap (fair enough) then be at a net cost on a similarly average player.

    I will be happier than anyone to eat my words with that prediction but this is arsenal and we’re not in the business of good smart purchases.

  32. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 11:44:48

    in fact only reference I’ve made to that was days ago to Dissenter where I said if a player is choosing Villa over Arsenal then I don’t want him because that mentality is weak as piss

    ——
    That’s your take..

    Just maybe,maybe Buendia does not share the sentiments as you.

    Maybe,with him operating in that industry,he is privy to more insider information than what the outsiders know.No doubt,he would have consulted with fellow players,coaches,agents,his peers and the like.

    Would have got a feel of what the current situation is at Arsenal,and probably does not feel by moving to Arsenal under the current set up,will aid or improve his career path and that of his family.

    Because he doesn’t buy into Arteta’s project does not make him weak.In my opinion makes him more of a risk taker,if he firmly believes Aston Villa’s project,management and tutelage under which he will operate and where they are heading is more realistic in his eyes than with Arsenal will improve him or match his vision.

    All that glitters isn’t necessarily gold.And Arsenal have been glittering for quite a while..

  33. andy1886

    Promoted from 5th in the Chapionship
    Finished 17th in the PL
    Finished 11th in the PL

    Sure looks like an ‘upward trajectory’ to me. As opposed to:

    5th in PL
    8th in PL but FAC
    8th and no European competition…

  34. Tee

    “Neves may be an upgrade on Xhaka, but not if he told to play deeper. Xhaka did not took upon himself to play deeper and to cover the left back position. He was instructed to do so by his manager.”

    This was done to cover for xhaka’s inadequacies. Why wasn’t Party instructed to do so?

  35. Ishola70

    Valentin

    I agree with you when you say it will be a waste of time bringing Neves in just to have him continually sitting deep. I said the same yesterday.

    But Xhaka has no other option but to play deep. He would be brutally exposed if brought into the centre too much. So this instruction to Xhaka that you talk of is very much in the interest of Xhaka and the team.

  36. Dissenter

    Arteta really doesn’t let his players operate with freedom
    All that yammering on the sidelines is very distracting and all for what, to sit back and try to score from 3-4 chances created.

    As mentioned, some players want to feel wanted before they commit. We didn’t convince the player that he’s needed at the club.

    Mikel’s eyes are fixed on Ode, until that door closes 100%, he will, infinite to make half heated put pitches to AMs we bid for.

  37. andy1886

    Diss,

    I expect that MA told Buendia he wanted him to take us to ‘the next level’.

    When Buendia asked what ‘the next level’ was MA replied that ‘the next level is the next level’.

    He learned well from The Master.

  38. Marko

    Sure looks like an ‘upward trajectory’ to me.
    As opposed to:5th in PL
    8th in PL but FAC
    8th and no European competition…

    Yeah but you know that Christmas table shows an upward trajectory… apparently

  39. Tee

    “Promoted from 5th in the Chapionship
    Finished 17th in the PL
    Finished 11th in the PLSure looks like an ‘upward trajectory’ to me. As opposed to:5th in PL
    8th in PL but FAC
    8th and no European competition…”

    By your calculation, they should be somewhere around 6th and 7th next season like everything is a given in football.

    Where was wolves last season and two seasons before that? How about Everton or Westham?

  40. Valentin

    If Arsenal first choice is Ødegaard, then the second choice should be a player with the same playing style. Buendia is the polar opposite of Ødegaard.

    So either Buendia was chased for a different position/role or something is very wrong with our recruitment. Like another poster has mentioned the fact that we were pursuing players with very different profile but for the same position should be a worry.

    That shows a disjointed or haphazard approach to recruitment. This is exactly why we are in this mess. There is no concerted long term planning for squad. The issue is not financial because Arsenal has spent a lot of money those last few years. It is about having a plan and putting mechanism in place to have a coherent squad without squandering the budget on players who do not improve us.

  41. Dissenter

    All in all, the Buendia thing is a a case study about how badly the club is run

    This was more than just, Villa outbid us.
    We didn’t execute properly and the narrative has made Arsenal look even smaller, now every smaller club thinks it’s fair game to run circles around the jokers running the club.

  42. Tee

    Buendia plays mostly as a winger, so, I see no reason why we should be chasing him to play Cam for us. Round peg in square hole comes to mind.

    If we need a cm and cam then we should go for proper players I that position and not this “he can play along the front line” mantra

  43. Dissenter

    Tee
    The Villa squad is a much balanced and meaningfully thought out squad compared to Arsenal’s

    Do you know how many competent right footed central defenders have?
    …and yet the glorious manager is still seeking to sign another right footed central defender

    Stop trying to out-fan us

  44. Champagne Charlie

    “That’s your take..Just maybe,maybe Buendia does not share the sentiments as you.“

    I’m not interested in Buendia’s sentiments, I have my own judgement of the situation.

    If you’re choosing Villa over Arsenal then it says a lot about your character and ambition, the talk about projects and such is noise in the grand scheme of things. The profile of both clubs doesnt compare.

  45. Valentin

    Tee,

    It was not to cover Xhaka inadequacies, it is to cover the fact that Arteta demands his left back to be an auxiliary left winger and the left winger to be an inverted attacker. Aubameyang is not standing on the outside, he comes narrow inside. Whoever is the left fullback provides the width, so they vacate their place and somebody has to protect that space. The other side had the opposite settings. The right fullbacks comes inside and the right winger provide the width.

    For the last few games, Arteta switched side. That’s why Pepe is having a Indian summer of the end of season. He is not stuck anymore near the touch line. He comes inside and Chambers overlaps and provide crosses.

    This exactly why suddenly Partey looked even more sluggish. He has to cover for the right back, but he does not move into that space, so he is overworked. The imbalance is designed in the system.

    That’s why I think that we have exactly the same issue if Neves comes to replace Xhaka. Yes Xhaka may make it worse, but the imbalance exists first in the design and formation.

  46. Tom

    “ if a player is choosing Villa over Arsenal then I don’t want him because that mentality is weak as piss”

    And there I was thinking a player’s mentality was judged by his professional conduct and on the pitch performances, silly me.

    Pepe chose Arsenal , Charlie must love his mentality then for sure.

  47. Dissenter

    Valentin
    Like going from signing Buendia to signing Neves

    It’s like someone is using a spinning top algorithm to plan transfers

    Edu should have been fired the moment he sacked all the scout
    …and now they are paying an agency to find scouts. We are scouting for scouts!!!

    Scouts are probably that cadre of staffing that you have to acquire with a contact lost. Everyone in the business should have a bulky contact list if the best scouts….or a least one elite scout that can be hired to bring in a team.

    Hiring an agency to hire your scouts is laughable and disgraceful.

  48. Tee

    I’m done debating buen cos There are better players with higher ceiling and even way cheaper out there. That’s if we do our homework very well.

    I’m hoping we get it right this time around. It doesn’t have to be flavour of the moment but efficient ones

  49. andy1886

    Tee, we are talking about what has actually happened, not what ‘may’ happen in the future something which can be manipilated to suit any argument you please. They are on an upward trajectory, doesn’t mean that might reverse itself but until it does they still are. Equally we could be better, worse or simply stagnate next season.

  50. Left Testicle

    There are better players with higher ceiling and even way cheaper out there.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Care to name them?

  51. Ishola70

    Valentin

    Of course it is done to cover Xhaka’s weaknesses.

    If there is another aspect to it it’s then just a case of killing two birds with one stone.

    And Xhaka’s weaknesses away from the deep areas is a very big bird. A fat turkey to be precise.

  52. Valentin

    China1,

    Like I told Marc a while ago, in order to fullfil his promises to William of winning the Champion’s League within 3 years, Arteta has to qualify for the league and then win it at the first time of asking.

    I don’t think that there has been a single team nor manager who has won it after their first qualification in 5 years. That’s the level of hubris, we are talking here. I know that Arteta broke lots of record this season, but those were negative records.

    I genuinely can’t see him doing a Brian Clough who won the old first division title the season after being promoted.

  53. Kaz

    Serge

    Conte was considering Spurs before realising Levy was a lying piece of shit.

    Our club on the otherhand wants to empower the manager, we just picked the wrong one top empower!

    I don’t think it’s so crazy to think Conte.

  54. Tee

    “Stop trying to out-fan us”

    Firstly, who are these us? You meant you?

    Secondly, our worst season in recent memory still betters theirs because they outspent us last summer.

    Hope you won’t jinx their upward trajectory the way you did Tottenham and Everton premier league chances last season, Mr. Afcon

  55. raptora

    CC,
    Everyone dreams of winning the EPL as well as playing in the UCL and potentially winning it.

    Grealish became who he is in Villa in current years, in this time. He has developed into a star player worth up to 100m and the big clubs want him.

    Who is the last player we turned into a star? Cesc 15 years ago? Maybe RvP again 13-14 years ago.

    Spuds have Kane and Bale even Son.

    Who did we make a star in the last 15 years? Ruined Ramsey and Wilshere who had the potential to become stars. We bought Alexis and Santi completely developed. Fantastic talents like Arshavin and Ozil tanked with us.

    Villa is the safer choice, a more stable club that a player can use to skyrocket into a giant club.

    If you think that mentality sucks than okay but it does make some sense however you look at it.

  56. Valentin

    Ishola70,

    If it exclusively to cover Xhaka, then why did we use the same tactic when Xhaka was injured?
    Why was a 4-1-4-1 used against Villarreal second leg which overwhelmed Partey?

    Like I wrote before, Xhaka is a symptom, not the root cause of the problem. I know he is your pet hate, but if he goes and the problem remains, will you scapegoat his replacement as well?

  57. Tee

    “So when Arteta gets sacked in December who do you all think will be a realistic replacement?”

    It depends on who’s available then but me think your use of “when” implies you are praying he fails. English isn’t my first language but I think “if” would have been better

  58. China1

    The truth is I seriously doubt anyone here making noise about missing buendia myself included give even the slightest toss that we missed him

    This player is irrelevant

    The reason people are pissed is not because of Buendia but because of the problem which Buendia is a symptom of

    That problem is arsenal are atrocious at transfers. We are rubbish at buying, we’re rubbish at selling. We low ball and miss out on players who can improve us and we pay a fortune for players who do not

    How many *signings* in the last TEN years would any claim to be a great signing in terms of quality or value. Literally stop to think about it.

    Alexis Sanchez. Great signing
    Monreal. Great value signing.
    Santi – great signing

    How many players do you think we’ve signed in the last 10 years?

    We’ve spent over half a billion sterling in the last handful of years. Even worse than the abject lack of genuine quality in this period is we don’t even sign players who give us a reason to love them. I even loved the bench and half our kids in the 2000s. In the last 10 years if you offered to give me 5 arsenal shirts for free and the only requirement is I had to tell you which names I want on the back, besides the guys above I couldn’t even tell you anyone else I’d be interested in.

    The only reason arsenal improved after xmas is because our kids helped spare us from our dreadful transfers

    THAT is why people get annoyed about shit like Buendia. He is just another in an extremely long line of repeated mistakes.

    Why is it that if I could relive the last decade of transfers again I can’t name more than a couple of buys who I can comfortably say ‘yep I’d buy him all over again’?

  59. Ishola70

    Valentin

    I just said you that it can be several factors regarding Xhaka in his position but covering his weaknesses is a major one.

    How long do you think Xhaka would survive if he was asked to step up to centre midfield for prolonged periods?

    It would be a blood bath.

  60. Valentin

    Tee,

    Maybe he is Not necessarily praying for it, but fully expect to.
    In which case the when does make sense.
    I personally am in the same boat. I fully expect Arteta to tank the team and be sacked mid way through the season after a massive fallout with some players leaving us in a dire place.

  61. Kaz

    Valentin

    This is what annoys me! Why is he so insistent on having our MFs cover our fullbacks.

    We stack the flanks and therefore are reliant on crosses and yet have the worst heading strikers in the league!

    And we don’t allow additional midfielder runners through the middle because we’re covering the flank and having the other parked outside the box.

    It’s so frustrating to watch 😤 but apparently we have to trust the process of a man who can’t identify player strengths and tries to cram them in regardless into his flawed system.

  62. Ishola70

    Valentin

    Arteta can easily just place Neves continually deep as well and as said before we would be in exactly the same problem. Weak in centre mid.

    I think Arteta could do this just for the simple fact that he likes to think of this as security for the team.

    Just a guaranteed man behind the ball.

    Arteta does like his security blanket.

  63. Tee

    If you have been following proceedings from Pedro’s last post, you will see that a lot of younger and good players have been mentioned by posters who watch other leagues in Europe.

    If not too lazy, pingpong, then go back and find out yourself

  64. raptora

    It’s perfectly fine to rely on crosses and even if you don’t have good headers you can still score plenty perfectly illustrated by City.

    The important part is that 1. To have players that can provide good balls from the flank and 2. To have several players in the box to attack the cross.

    This is where Arteta has been failing at. We’ve been attacking with 2 people in the box at best. It’s to be expected that a huge portion of the crosses are going to go to waste.

  65. CG

    Never mind Buendia or Neves.

    !!!!Ward Prowse !!! (Come on Edu, there’s Xhakas replacement right there.)

    Off to the Villa as well?

    Watkins

    Buendia, Grealish, Ward Prowse.

    Mings , Cash

    Martinez

    Dean Smith ( huge fan) building a tidy outfit.

  66. Matt

    So, to all those who are saying that Buendia showed a lack of ambition by signing for Villa, you are presumably confident that Arsenal will finish above Villa next season?

  67. Tee

    “Who did we make a star in the last 15 years? Ruined Ramsey and Wilshere who had the potential to become stars. We bought Alexis and Santi completely developed. Fantastic talents like Arshavin and Ozil tanked with us.Villa is the safer choice, a more stable club that a player can use to skyrocket into a giant club.”

    How did we ruin Ramsey and Wilshire?

    So, the club should also be blamed for ashavin and Ozil?

    In your book, Saka and Emil aren’t becoming stars? Apart from grealish, who else?

  68. Kaz

    Rap

    I know, I mention how crazy it is not to have support from our midfielders (incidentally Xhaka is a beast in the air, but we never try to push him up into the box)

    But these are Artetaball instructions.
    Honestly if I were a talented, hard working creative player, I would avoid playing under Arteta too.

    No one can disagree with how boring we are.

  69. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 12:19:44

    “I’m not interested in Buendia’s sentiments.I have my own judgement of the situation”

    And I’m pretty sure,Buendia doesn’t lose any sleep over your sentiments.Given,he’s more privy to why he moved in the interests of him and his family.

    —————
    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 12:19:44

    “If you’re choosing Villa over Arsenal then it says a lot about your character and ambition, the talk about projects and such is noise in the grand scheme of things. The profile of both clubs doesnt compare.”
    ——–

    Well,can I give you an example just for arguments sake CC..

    Let’s say, we have an employee working for a middling type investment institution.He’s doing great work,making decent money, and say Credit Suisse or a Goldman Sachs come calling.Offering him a fantastic salary+benefits package .He has a chance to make that move,where he would have the status,but be a cog in the wheel,but at the same time be under the spot light 24/7 and working under a manager whose reputation leaves a lot to be desired for.

    In contrast to a start up company(investment boutique),that has a blue print of where they want to be in five years.The management have a steady and convivial reputation.He has a chance to grow with the company,have considerable input into the growth of the company,and in the event the start up does grow and explodes,he not only becomes one of the main beneficiaries and player,but is financially endowed,more so than he would be say at a Goldman Sachs.

    He then has the option,whether he wishes to leave,or maybe head off to the top tier investment institutions, or stay and make them into a more formidable force to be reckoned with.

    Would you deem him weak and unambitious for taking a risk to go with the start up company(investment boutique)?

  70. Tee

    “So, to all those who are saying that Buendia showed a lack of ambition by signing for Villa, you are presumably confident that Arsenal will finish above Villa next season?”

    Yes, I am

  71. Champagne Charlie

    Raptora

    Grealish became who he is down to his inherent ability, if Villa were the apparent oasis for nurturing talent the list would be far longer than Jack Grealish.

    We’ve uncovered more gems this season in Saka and ESR than Villa. Just isn’t a sensible comparison at all, you’re even bending over backwards in order to downplay Arsenal’s development of Ramsey – who plays for Juventus btw – since his move from Cardiff.

    With all the due praise Villa have received I eagerly await the season ahead for them, must be quite an exciting one unfolding. Hope they can hold onto the majority of their squad and resist the offers from Europe’s big boys for the likes of Ollie Watkins and Mings.

  72. raptora

    Same way they were confident that Arsenal will keep finishing above Spuds year in, year out. Yet 5 years in a row there isn’t St Totteringham’s day. Anyone with eyes can see the downward spiral we’ve been on for a good 10 years.

  73. Sid

    If Xhakalson was mobile he would be in the middle and Partey would drop to be a 3rd CB.
    Its a combination of charlatan tactics and a crap player.

  74. AFC Forever

    Ishola70

    You are right, look at how Emery exposed Xhakas weaknesses in his system. It is down to the coach to be able to identify a player’s strengths and weaknesses to play within a ‘system’. We all know that isolating Xhaka in one on ones against transition, as Emery did, was playing to his weaknesses. He performed well this season but we know we need an upgrade and more mobility. I rarely believe anything journalists say but there does seem to be interest from ‘Boring Maureen’ and if there is, we should get that done and move on.

  75. Champagne Charlie

    Phd

    Arsenal aren’t currently Goldman Sachs so your analogy falls flat. Yes, if you’re choosing less demanding, less ambitious projects then it calls heavily into question your suitability for high performance demands at the top level.

    Arsenal want to get back into the very elite, bringing players in who are more enamoured with middling ambition is a red flag. Convincing anyone to join the club is a red flag.

  76. Tee

    “Same way they were confident that Arsenal will keep finishing above Spuds year in, year out. Yet 5 years in a row there isn’t St Totteringham’s day. Anyone with eyes can see the downward spiral we’ve been on for a good 10 years.”

    I still don’t understand. Who are these they?

  77. Champagne Charlie

    Tee

    That’s Raptora’s calling card, he likes to put fans into one of two categories and label them both. If you’re not in his camp then its a tirade of nonsense with every opinion you share because you’re from the other side and one of ‘them’.

  78. raptora

    CC,
    Time will tell if Saka and ESR are going to become top class players. They have shown the potential. But they are not superstars at all yet.

    I love Ramsey as most posters know, but he isn’t a 100m player. Why he didn’t develop into one when he clearly had potential is another bad spot on Arsenal’s part.

    You very well know what I’m talking about. Arsenal stopped developing players successfully long time ago. Just now there are glimpses of hope in that regard looking at Martinelli, Saka, ESR, maybe Balogun.

    That a player goes to a place where there is an actual evidence how that particular team can be used as platform for developing your talent and eventually landing an even better contract in an even better team, is not weak mentality. It’s normal process of thinking.

  79. Tee

    You don’t just come up with a fabricated to pass as fact here.

    Kindly name a poster who believed in St Totteringham’s day coming up every every year

  80. raptora

    Tee,
    I responded to this comment:

    “MattJune 7, 2021 12:46:34
    So, to all those who are saying that Buendia showed a lack of ambition by signing for Villa, you are presumably confident that Arsenal will finish above Villa next season?”

    They are the fans who still think we are the shit. CC and Stroller come to mind right away.

  81. raptora

    Tee,
    Stroller was repeating time and again that Arsenal are not in crisis just a week ago. How would you describe crisis for a club as Arsenal? Dropping a division? Is that what’s going to take for some people to realize that we are not in a good place and going from bad to worse by the year? Probably not even that. They are happy to live with their memories I guess.

  82. Kaz

    And the obvious intent of Arsenal was to drag this Buendia transfer over the summer to get him as cheap as possible near the deadline.

    It’s textbook Arsenal, what we always do.

    This time it blew up in our faces.

    Make no mistakes, Arsenal wanted Buendia.

    Arrogance cost us.

  83. Champagne Charlie

    Raptora

    I know what you mean and it doesn’t ring true.

    Villa finished 11th in the table, which was lauded as a good campaign for them so their players are seen favourably relative to their ability – even so, who is moving up the ladder? Grealish is the exception because he’s a genuine world class player and has been for a few seasons, but where’s the next in line?

    It’s no different at Arsenal, only the standards. Meanwhile there’s infinitely more scope for a player performing well at Arsenal than there is at Villa, and that will long continue because the scale of the two clubs is so disproportionate. To forego that shows a lack of conviction and ambition.

  84. Sid

    Take liverpool for example, both FBs bomb forward like wingers, their midfielders are mobile enough to pressure and retrieve the ball instead of dropping into CB positions.

  85. Champagne Charlie

    “They are the fans who still think we are the shit. CC and Stroller come to mind right away.“

    Attention to detail not for you at all. Unsurprising

  86. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 13:00:43
    Phd
    Arsenal aren’t currently Goldman Sachs so your analogy falls flat.
    —–
    Hmm,I also cited Credit Suisse in my example,if you care to read back.

  87. Tee

    “Take liverpool for example, both FBs bomb forward like wingers, their midfielders are mobile enough to pressure and retrieve the ball instead of dropping into CB positions.”

    The word “mobile” doesn’t relate with our midfield composition except maybe partey.

    Xhaka.is slow, elneny covers more ground without winning the ball back

  88. China1

    Saka is not a gem who was uncovered this season. He was a youth product, not like arteta sought him out and signed him. And it was emery who brought him into the team.

    ESR was also known to be a very good player before he started getting minutes thus why a lot of fans have been excited about him for years.

  89. Sid

    AMN would be able to pressure and retrieve the ball in midfield like he did playing LB,
    thats why my conclusion is that Xhakalson and Diet Pep is a bad combination

  90. CG

    Tee

    ””””Cg,Where is that team you where crazy about last season?”””

    Watford?
    Watford cost me fortunes, Should have never got rid of that Pearson.

    But back in the prem this time.

    I admire all managers that know what they are doing, quietly get on with their jobs , believe the game is a simple one and don’t mention words like’ industry’ process ‘ or ‘projects’

    hence why I am not a fan of The Imbeciles we currently have.

    But nothing lasts forever and they will soon be gone.

  91. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 13:00:43

    Yes, if you’re choosing less demanding, less ambitious projects then it calls heavily into question your suitability for high performance demands at the top level.
    ———
    Trying telling that to the start up companies,especially in Silicon Valley,who have gone on to do exceedingly well.

    Try telling that to guys who’ve worked for top tier investment companies and then have gone on to join investment boutiques and are smashing it left,right and center.I guess they are losers,or rather their characters to hack it in high pressurised environments leaves a question mark by your definition.

    By the way,did Evra not say,joining Arsenal is like enrolling in a baby creche or similar?

    What high pressure environment is Arsenal operating in?

    We’ve been 8th for the last two seasons and are out of Europe.

    Arsenal rankings over the last five seasons.
    2016/17- 5th place
    2017/18-6th place
    2018/19-5th place
    2019/20-8th place
    2020/21-8th place

    Given where Arsenal need to be,currently mid table-hardly qualifies for a high pressure environment in which to work within or operate under.

  92. raptora

    “Attention to detail not for you at all. Unsurprising”

    I mean trust the process is exactly that, no – being happy with the direction we’re heading to.

    I don’t like where this is going, so I’m unhappy about it.

    Yes, I can call you, ES and Pedro “they” and I can call “we” posters like Marc, Marko, China, Guns of SF, Sid, Valentin, Andy, Hairline, Tom and list is too long to include them all, who think very similar to me regarding Arteta, Edu and the whole farce that our team has been in the last year.

    There are several posters in between that I skipped for a good reason like TR7, Pierre and Rich since I’m not completely sure if they are on board with Arteta or not.

  93. englandsbest

    We ought not to downplay or, even worse, act snobby to a Club like Aston Villa. Those of us who have been around long enough remember them as a major force. Weren’t they first English club to win European Cup, as it was then? Same goes for, say, Everton: they too are sleeping giants. Snotty-nosed disdain may awaken them.

    Not so long ago Everton had easily the best side in England, and maybe in Europe. But for a Liverpool misdemeanour they might have won the EC.

    Nor should we forget Man City. Until even more recently, they were a sleeping giant.

    Anyway, for whatever reason, Buendia has joined a club with a great tradition, an impressive history. Good luck to him.

  94. China1

    Not so long ago…?

    Ive got a few grey hairs in my beard and all of the events you’re describing are from before my mum even met my dad… oh and I’m the youngest of their 3 kids lol…

    That was a very very long time ago.

  95. Gonsterous

    If arsenal had any pull, Buendia would at least wait for arsenal to make an improved bid. No such thing. Went straight to Villa when the whole world and their dog knew arsenal wanted Buendia. It’s not like it was the last hour of the transfer window, no the window hasn’t even officially opened and he’s already made his decision.

    Which other AM can we get at that price range? 30-35m
    If we end up over paying for a worse player, it’ll be a joke.

    We are already a joke in the footballing world and most of our players are praying for other clubs to come and get them.

    Also read reports that we are currently offering Saliba with cash for Neves. Don’t know if it’s true but heads should roll if that happens.

  96. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 13:00:43
    Arsenal want to get back into the very elite, bringing players in who are more enamoured with middling ambition is a red flag. Convincing anyone to join the club is a red flag.

    ————————-
    Has that not been the club’s ambition since the move to the Emirates?
    That was about circa 15 years ago,to challenge with the Barca’s,RMadrid’s,Bayerns of this world…Hence the essence for the move to the Emirates-non?

    Here we are in 8th place in 2021.

  97. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 13:00:43
    Yes, if you’re choosing less demanding, less ambitious projects then it calls heavily into question your suitability for high performance demands at the top level.
    ————-

    *Try telling that to guys who’ve worked for middling or top tier investment companies and then have gone on to join investment boutiques and are smashing it left,right and center.I guess they are losers,or rather their characters to hack it in high pressurised environments leaves a question mark by your definition.

  98. Ernest Reed

    “But that doesn’t mean we were in for him. If we were, we’d have landed him. No doubt. ”

    Under which regime would Arsenal have landed him, Pedro?

    Based solely on your statement one can conclude without any doubt that the club were never in for Buendia. I can take that at face value based on one lone factor, no one has even a remote clue as to what the clubs transfer plans are.

    The fact that we are at June 7th and the Euro’s start on the 11th, once more they will leave things very late again and leaving little time for the club to gel.

    Trust the process is the mantra, but it gets more and more difficult when you realize the club has yet to really begin to address its real problems and shortcomings.

  99. Champagne Charlie

    Phd

    Bully for Silicon Valley startups, but not everything can be so easily applied to other industries. There’s little crossover between a professional athlete that has a very generous 10 years at the top of the sport, vs a tech nerd that has a 40 year career awaiting him. Deviations and ‘greater good’ personal gains are far more prevalent in the professional world than they are in elite sports. Why? Because elite athletes want the elite opportunities at the elite clubs because they’re hungry for success and the profile that goes with that success.

    And I’m not asking you to agree with what I’ve said, you can offer up as many comparisons as you like, but my views are clear on this football matter.

    You didn’t include the number of technical changes at the club in your little 5-year list which demonstrates the discontent with our current output. Arsenal are where we are because of poor performance, but the attitude and demands of the club aren’t any different or there’d be acceptance for where we are – which isn’t the case.

  100. Tee

    “Saka is not a gem who was uncovered this season. He was a youth product, not like arteta sought him out and signed him. And it was emery who brought him into the team.”

    The point I made is we have unearthed more gems than Villa which put mute to the notion one poster made about us not unearthing one for a long time like vilka whereas he has only Grealish to point to for villa.

    It isn’t about who called who into the first team else we would be back to arteta vs Emery this and that again.

    We have more gems than Villa and I’m repeating Grealish isn’t super star for now but one in the making. So, is Saka and Emil who saved our last season.

  101. Champagne Charlie

    “Try telling that to guys who’ve worked for middling or top tier investment companies and then have gone on to join investment boutiques and are smashing it left,right and center.I guess they are losers,or rather their characters to hack it in high pressurised environments leaves a question mark by your definition.“

    Or…..hear me out…..your comparisons to business professions isn’t apples to apples?

    In medicine, if you want to be the best, you don’t go to an inferior school because of the discount on parking, or because you’re into art and there’s a local spot that’s unmatched which will totally enhance your social profile.

  102. Tee

    Grealish shouldered the villa burden so is Saka who who did ours and he is younger.

    Not trying to compare and contrast here but saying Saka was to us what Grealish was to Villa last season.

  103. China1

    Youth players coming into the first team is a product of 5-10 years of work. We ‘unearthed’ saka when wenger was still considered somewhat relevant, that’s how long ago it probably was.

    Your position in football can change dramatically in 2-3 years. Look at Leeds, villa, west ham etc.

    Whether we have a couple more great gems from the academy than they do isn’t much to do with our recent work and more to do with work done by youth recruiters and managers from many years ago.

    That’s why I think the comparison is irrelevant right now.

    We’re comparing what villa and arsenal are doing now, not who recruited better into their u9s a decade and a half ago

  104. S Asoa

    From the arguments
    With naive fans “ of the process”-whatsoever the fuck it is- the management and owners of AFC know there will be no consequences from fans too impotent to act or react.
    Now understand the process that got us to where we are, just with accidental fig leaf of the past to cover up the gonads.

  105. Rambo

    Why the pretension?

    Why lie to yourself and select to close your eyes to reality? It doesn’t make you a better fan, it makes you a moron.

    Arsenal are not a star club, haven’t been for close to 2 decades now.

    Nothing surprising that a player can choose to go to an Aston Villa over Arsenal, for some extra money. You care about the now, not the past or the history. Why stop 20 years back, go further behind and Villa were big too. The present Arsenal, what is so gold about this club and how does it stand out from a Villa? No Europe, few if any world class talent, questionable manager and gloomy atmosphere all around the club.

  106. raptora

    Tee,
    Let’s change superstar to top class.

    Imo Grealish is top class.
    Saka is on his way but not top class yet.

    When was the last time we got a good player and at Arsenal that guy became a top class player? Cesc and RvP are the last as far as I can remember.

    Literally not a single name in the last 15 or so years.

    They have Grealish and that process is current, it’s happened this or last year.

    Why would Arsenal be a top destination if we stopped developping players? It’s one of the reasons Villa could be considered a better place.

  107. Tee

    “Whether we have a couple more great gems from the academy than they do isn’t much to do with our recent work and more to do with work done by youth recruiters and managers from many years ago.”

    Then you should have understood the ground on which such statement was made before meddling into it.

    The poster cited Grealish ‘s development by villa as one of the reason buendia signed which can’t be said of us.

    I countered it, that if it’s based on club giving play time to youngsters to enhance their development, presently counting the gems in our book then we are better than Villa.

    He cited Grealish, I did Saka and Emil

  108. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 13:38:15

    We’ll agree to disagree.As we will be going back and forth on this matter.

    And,I don’t wish to spend an inordinate amount of time,arguing over issues that’s not going to change the overall machinations ongoing at Arsenal.
    The malaise runs deep,of which I think you are aware of.

    The data points to a downtrend at Arsenal in terms of perfomance in the league over a 5-10 year period,so does the visual realisation of what we see on the pitch.Not progress defined or extrapolated over a 22 game sample since christmas 2020,no matter how you splice and dice it.

    Buendia not coming to Arsenal-whether he’s ambitious or not in your case,does not detract from where we currently are.

    The reality is,we are currently a middle table club competing with middle table clubs.Yes, a big club in name,but not currently where it matters,which is on the pitch.

    Breaking bones over minutiae does not detract from the bigger picture.

    As you alluded to,I have my opinions and you have yours.

    Hope your day is going well.

  109. bennydevito

    The red flag for me is that according to the Independent, our offers were almost identical but Buendia personally favoured Villa.

    Choosing Villa over us is what worries me more than losing out on the player because as I previously said I’d rather we keep the £40m and give Willock and others more games.

    I’m hoping it’s not Odegaard as he looks like an Ozil type player to me and Neves doesn’t inspire me either. It seems Arteta is after clones of himself: dull, slow, unexciting sideways crab football type players who follow instructions without question.

    I saw an excellent documentary about the English clubs dominating the old European Cup back in the day and Graeme Souness had this to say:

    ” I’d joined Liverpool and had been there nearly a month and at no point had the manager told me how to play or what to do, so I asked the manager how he wants me to play and he said to me; you’re a professional footballer who we’ve paid a lot of money for and you’re asking me how to play? Get out there and do your job!”

    This is the problem we have with Arteta, that he’s trying to be too clever with these false 9s and overcomplicated tactics that the players step out on the pitch more worried about carrying out instr than just getting on and playing football.

    Keep it simple. I have little confidence we’ll be anywhere near top 4 by Xmas, none whatsoever. I also have no confidence that Arteta will buy the right players, get rid of the ones who need to go or use our youngsters properly.

    Got no choice but to wait and see though.

  110. Tee

    “Tee
    Let’s change superstar to top class.Imo Grealish is top class.
    Saka is on his way but not top class yet.When was the last time we got a good player and at Arsenal that guy became a top class player? Cesc and RvP are the last as far as I can remember.”

    Yes, Grealish is top class and Saka is on the up also.

    If we are talking of the last time we made a star out of a player then you will have to engage your search engines rigorously to uncover when last villa did.

    Mind you, I’m not saying this the best we can do but just trying to clear this notion Villa is where to be owing to their ability to make a star out of a player

  111. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 13:45:25

    In medicine, if you want to be the best, you don’t go to an inferior school because of the discount on parking, or because you’re into art and there’s a local spot that’s unmatched which will totally enhance your social profile.

    ——-
    Poor analogy..

    Why?The medical profession sets standards..

    They are not going to allow any medical doctor from a school not accredited to unleash such a practitioner into the public sphere to splice and dice a patient like how you cut apples..

    It puts the medical profession into disrepute and they lose credibility as a result.So all medical schools within the UK are pretty much regulated and standardised.The level of competency is pretty much standard.

  112. Mr Serge

    Matt i am confident we finish above villa i just took £100 we would do it this year
    They have a paper thin squad and i have bet him again for next season too

  113. Tee

    “From the arguments
    With naive fans “ of the process”-whatsoever the fuck it is- the management and owners of AFC know there will be no consequences from fans too impotent to act or react.”

    Another fabricated trash.

    If it’s so, then why did they apologies to the fans for the ESL brohaha (don’t mind my spellings)?

    Do you think fans won’t protest against everything when they are finally allowed into the Emirates?

    Kroenke and the rest know this coupled with the rumbling of takeover from that guy(forgot is name) backed by Henry and the likes

  114. Champagne Charlie

    Phd

    Of course Arsenal are where we are because of a myriad of poor performances throughout the club, and for a considerable period of time.

    That said, even if we appoint a saviour tomorrow there will be hysteria about the work they do toward establishing ourselves amongst the worlds best yet again. That’s my gripe, and where I choose to look for the shoots of green. Because frankly if not then why bother at all?

    Piece of piss to continually rip apart any and all efforts to change the current status quo. Pessimism is easy, being optimistic in a shit storm is far more the challenge.

  115. raptora

    Of our over 25m pounds transfers what is our stat:

    Pepe – tanked (so far but there is hope). 72m
    Lacazette – tanked. 48m
    Partey – underpar season. 45m
    Ozil – tanked. 42m
    Xhaka – tanked. 40m
    Mustafi – tanked. 37m
    Mkhitaryan – tanked. 30m
    Saliba – tanked (so far). 27m
    Torreira – tanked. 26m

    Aubameyang – played as before. 53m
    Alexis – played as before. 38m

    From 11 expensive transfers, we have 2 players that kept playing as good as before, and 9 players who have either regressed or not impressed at all as is expected from the figure paid for them.

    Just face it. Arsenal have bought bad but also Arsenal have been responsible for players regress. Why would a player with ambition join us, when it’s exactly the ambition some of the posters are questioning when he joined Villa ahead of us?

  116. Champagne Charlie

    Phd

    A medical degree is different per the university, don’t kid yourself because of accreditation and standard practices. Same of Law too but the school you attend bears significance when talking of professional gain.

  117. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 14:16:08
    A medical degree is different per the university, don’t kid yourself because of accreditation and standard practices. Same of Law too but the school you attend bears significance when talking of professional gain.

    ————

    Here we go..Yes,each university with regards to Medicine in the UK at least,does have it’s own entry requirements as you rightly mentioned.

    But,let me ask you a question CC-which is the most sought after university to gain admission to Medical School(in the UK)?And of which bears significance or weight in the professional domain?

  118. CG

    Graeme Souness /Benny De Vito

    ””””””’you’re a professional footballer who we’ve paid a lot of money for and you’re asking me how to play? Get out there and do your job!”””””””””””””””””

    too bloody right.

  119. Marko

    Links to Brandt? Before the usual types do their usual thing worth noting prior to last season where Dortmund struggled on the whole Brandt had 29 goals 37 assists the previous 3 seasons. He is normally quite productive.

  120. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJune 7, 2021 14:12:39

    That said, even if we appoint a saviour tomorrow there will be hysteria about the work they do toward establishing ourselves amongst the worlds best yet again. That’s my gripe, and where I choose to look for the shoots of green. Because frankly if not then why bother at all?

    Piece of piss to continually rip apart any and all efforts to change the current status quo. Pessimism is easy, being optimistic in a shit storm is far more the challenge.

    ———-

    Ok,I get it now.

    In a nutshell,you are a glass half full type,rather than a glass half empty type of guy..Even in the face of overwhelming events and data over a period long decade that has us slowly down trending as a club.

    Fair enough.I can respect your opinion(s),even though I might not agree with all of it.

    All cool from over here,now that I understand your perspective.

  121. raptora

    Julian Brandt, 25 yo, who was a reserve to Gio Reyna, 18 yo.

    One of the ways to get this club going could be to attract players who aren’t doing so well in their current good team, so they arrive here cheaper and with a point to prove. Worked well with DB10, TH14 and PV4.