Ultimate endgame: Stan sells. But how?

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Great to see Arsenal fans responding so well the letter yesterday.

Could lead to nothing, or it could be the first step on the path to real fan action. You know, like sending a severed horse head to Josh wrapped in an LA Rams shirt.

Too far?

Sad reality for us is that the exec leadership team only answer to one man, and if that man doesn’t want to make greatness happen, we’re fucked.

The only true way of making things hard for Stan K and his trustafarian man baby is to make a statement in the stadium.

Literally, don’t show up.

I think the empty stands worried the club and those sun-bleached red seats on TV never look good. The only way to make things really unappealing for Stan is to starve the club of fans in the ground. You have to hurt a money many where it actually stings… the wallet.

The way to real change is to convince Stan that selling the club is more financially viable than pumping a few million quid in here and there.

Ultimately, I don’t really understand the point of having a foreign club in the portfolio if you’re actively tanking it into the ground. We’re must be annoying, the cost of bringing us back to the top is getting higher and higher as each season passes, and to truly make it happen, there needs to be a concentrated effort.

I’m not sure Stan has the stomach for that.

Even if we move back to the top, does it really impact their LA life? Doubtful. Not sure people in their circles give a rats backside about how his English club is doing.

We know that £2b wasn’t enough for Stan. He’s already rejected a mega bid. But everyone has a price. There’s a threshold for every owner. A cost vs aggravation equation. One that looks to be getting the better of Roman Abramovich of late. The Russian has no love from the people, no love from the government, and things are so crazy, even he’s starting to look like a pauper.

… however, slate Roman all you like, he loved the football. Joy factored in his passion.

It doesn’t factor into Stan’s. Most billionaires would stop doing something when it became arduous or unsatisfying… or, you know, a bit embarrassing. The sticking point is that Arsenal was never a plaything for him, it was just an asset that made good returns (in a property sense). The only difference now is that the top four supremacy we once boasted has disappeared. How much more valuable can the club get without success?

I read an interesting quote about someone in politics.

‘If you have no values, how can you be judged?’

It’s similar in sport.

‘If you don’t care about winning, how can you ever feel the burn of failure?’

Back to the takeover… where does the money come from?

We’re a real jewel, a very attractive sleeping giant, instant credibility if we were purchased. But are the Arab countries getting a bit bored of throwing so much money at a problem that even PSG levels of investment can’t crack the big trophies?

Or does the fame, credibility and power our postcode offers investors still make us a prize worth chasing?

You still have to give reason for someone to sell.

Arsenal fans are a comfortable bunch. We’re mostly well off, we mostly don’t like conflict, and the idea of spending your Sunday protesting something that is ‘supposed’ to give you joy seems a little offensive to most.

You also don’t want to be told what to do by some loudmouth behind a keyboard or camera. You don’t want your fandom to be judged by whether you go or not. I’m not a season ticket holder at the minute, but when I was, I detested armchair folk telling me how to support.

‘Go fuck yourself’ I thought. I put my money down. I stand in the cold watching Theo Walcott fall on his arse all day. I’ll support how I want. It’s very, very hard to take a rationale view to football, especially if you’ve spent money on it.

… but perversely, if you see your season ticket as a long term investment, the way to get the most value from it is to miss 5 games in unison with 30,000 other fans when things inevitably go sour this season.

The property equivalent is a little bit like owning an old property in London they won’t let you build on because it’s listed. Do you sit on it, because there’s sentimentality and rules in place, or do you burn it down totally by accident?

There aren’t many that take the latter option, but those that take the former are richer than you.

Do you want to be football rich? Well, you know the answer (don’t go. Please don’t try and start a fire)

My campaign would be:

#DontSitOnItSellIt

Needs some work for sure.

Let me know what YOU think in the comments.

P.S. I was flying through the preseason game, but excellent to see Martinelli and Saka score! Well played to Olayinka as well. WINNING START. x

 

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  1. Leftsidesanch

    Our kits look really nice this year, would be grest to see some new additions in them, and some of the useless culprits of our woes not in them.

  2. Freddie Ljungberg

    Leeds

    A wee bit optimistic expecting 25m for Kola, a left back that can’t defend and is on 120k a week.

    Chika

    All the reports I’m seeing is reporting 25m rising to 36m with clauses for Everton, which would be a great deal if true.
    Where are you seeing 70m?

    we’ve lost over 500k from the wage bill already and hopefully will lose a fair bit more, I can’t understand why we are dependant on selling Ozil to bring Fekir in. Just sell Mikhi, Fekirs reported wage demands are less that he’s on and we might actually get a fee for Mikhi unlike the googly eyed one.

    55m spent on Fekir+ Everton and our attack is sorted, still room for Nelson and Saka to get game time as backups too.

    Tierney and a dominant CB, Upemecano/Konate/Zagadou with Saliba coming in next summer and it’s the best window I can remember and we would still probably spend less than some of the clubs below us.

  3. TOLI83

    Can I ask (politely) what satisfaction there is behind the 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc when commenting on a blog?

    Pedro, it depends on how cold Stan is. My concern is he is a very cold deep water shark hence named Silent Stan and will do things for a profit, no matter how big or small.

    The trouble is the Premier League is where the money is at, e.g Brighton got more TV money than Bayern Munich the other year just because they belong in the prem. He probably sees attraction from a potential European Super league. He’s a cold hearted businessman, David Dein and the others that backed him introduced him to the club and subsequently backed him should have done their homework!!

    He has little interest in the club and no interest for the fans. His dope of a son wearing the top for our training visit shows his lack of understanding.

  4. Freddie Ljungberg

    Didn’t watch the game last night but apparently Mustafi was booed when he came on, if it helps making his mind up about leaving and maybe taking a paycut to facilitate that I’m all for it.

    Ozil next please.

  5. CG

    Not only does our Wonderful PedRo excel in footballing matters- he seems to have a good handle and insight on business matters too. ( bright as a button this one)

    A Cracking post. Thanks PedRo.

    And I off course will post my views and thoughts later.

    Just a quick thought ( don’t worry- I will be back later)

    Cant AFC fans liaise with NUFC and Boycott the opening Fixture?

    (In joint Protest Action against Ashley and Kroenke!) ( and VAR too)

  6. GillespieRoadNoMore

    The concerted action amongst fan groups is getting noticed, Le Grove identified as an agenda setting blog by The Times no less. Big question is will Silent Stan take any notice? Boycotting games and club sponsors and avoiding the Adidas merch will need concerted and persistent action to have any effect.

  7. CG

    Anyway when VAR comes in full throttle – every Owner in the land will attempt sell up.

    Because no Wally will be going to the games anymore.

  8. CG

    Gill Rd No More

    “””””The concerted action amongst fan groups is getting noticed, Le Grove identified as an agenda setting blog by The Times no less. “”””””

    Which off course – it is.

    And its All Free!

  9. Goonermay68

    Cant we deal with Stan the old American way? I will put a fiver in! And put out a HIT on him🤭🤭🤭😉😎

  10. Chika

    Freddie Ljungberg

    Yeah 35M was making the rounds for a few days, the new €70M figure started circulating on twitter in the last few hours. The reports also state Arsenal remain confident of wrapping the deal.

  11. David Smith

    Stan will go when Stan wants to go which for us, is sadly, most likely to happen
    His motives are purely financial, if you read about him, it seems nothing else really enters his radar.
    Reaching the top four now demands effort and money, but for him the rewards are not much less in lesser placing. Tenth place, no problem for Stan, 15th, he might get to hear about it, relegation might just interrupt his breakfast, and he MIGHT do something about that.
    J

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Matt5cott/status/1147053023878926336

  12. Elmo

    “the way to get the most value from it is to miss 5 games in unison with 30,000 other fans when things inevitably go sour this season.”

    Worth a try, but the threshold to hurting Kroenke is FAR higher.

    Realistically, he doesn’t care if the stadium is half empty as long as the tickets are sold. If people simply stopped buying tickets so that only half turned up (about £2.5m lost revenue per game), I think you’d need at least 15-20 home games like this every season for 3-4 years for him to conclude that his continued investment was flawed. 20 home games, of course, means getting a mass boycott of the stadium for the entire season.

    Worth a try if there can be co-ordination behind it, but I think to truly force him out it would require the destruction of the club’s recent status (i.e relegation from the PL easy money golden land).

  13. HighburyLegend

    “You know, like sending a severed horse head to Josh wrapped in an LA Rams shirt.
    Too far?”

    How about sending his father’s head in it ?? Too far ??

  14. Rainman

    Le grove has always been an “Out” blog, always trying to get someone out, first Wenger, then Mr “good ebening” and now Stan himself. Was in support of the Wenger out process, not so much in support of getting Emery out, bit premature imo but THIS I am definitely in support of.

    In fact this is what we should have been doing ages ago. Wenger is like Ronan the accuser, Unai is like Loki, small fry in other words.
    But Stan is the ultimate foe, He is our Thanos. Nearly impossible to defeat but I believe if we all get on this then we might just have a 1 in 14,000,605 chance at defeating him.

    #wecaredoyou

  15. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    What you suggest is precisely what happened two seasons ago.

    Many supporters including myself stopped going to every game and became more selective in the games we attended.

    Last summer Wenger left the club and there was a clean broom both in the
    appointment of Head Coach and Senior Management.

    Whilst in previous seasons the club circulated rumours about transfers which
    then did not materialise once the closing date for season tickets renewals had
    passed on this occasion our transfer business was early.

    The feedback I got from club at that time was positive. Now once again this
    summer there is a lot of negativity, turmoil and above all poor decision making
    when it comes to transfers.

    Kroenke does not have a great track record of selling assets so there is no imminent likelihood of him selling. Also the danger is that if he did decide to sell you could land up with an even worse custodian. Let’s be honest there are
    very few “Arsenal Supporters” who are mega rich billionaires.

    The best scenario is that Arsenal manage to put into place a “competent senior management” team who get the confidence of the Kroenke family and are then building a successful programme.

    The biggest threat to the economic success of club is not the loyalty of season
    ticket holders like myself, but the sponsorship packages of Adidas, Emirates
    and Rwanda Tourism. If they are dissatisfied with the product on offer they will not renew.

  16. Guns of Brixton

    Toli maaan

    We are men of tradition.

    And the Le Grove tradition is to take the top 4 trophies 😂😂

  17. Goobergooner

    Un na naaii

    “Who’s the fool? Bet it’s cost you a fortune aswell. Would you want another 10 years of kroenke milking you like some overbloted cow? With bloody, puss filled udders?Cos that’s what you are right now.”

    From a couple of posts ago, only just catching up…

    But un, you are the most hypocritical cunt on this site. Eat a bag of dicks. You are the most full of shit poster here, and literally noone here apart from the other dregs of this site take you seriously.

    I am literally ashamed to call myself an arsenal fan by your side, you’re more pathetic than our club management. Well done on the achievement good sir.

  18. Goobergooner

    It’s frustrating enough dealing with The Arsenal itself, but when that prick talks shit it’s just too much

  19. Marko

    Endgame should be getting him to be more involved financially and giving a shit. I can tell you now we ain’t forcing him to sell that ain’t going to happen.

  20. HighburyLegend

    “Eat a bag of dicks. ”
    But don’t forget the condoms!!

    “You are the most full of shit poster here”
    I’m not sure… there’s CG, too.

  21. Marko

    Martinelli looks like he’s got an eye for goal. I’m wondering though how it was seemingly so easy to get him in but we had to loan out of Wellington Silva for 39 years before we sold him.

  22. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    Further points.

    The annual ticket revenue at Emirates is now less than a quarter of the income of the club. It has also dropped since we stopped playing in Champions League.

    The new Adidas Sponsorship Deal equates to almost one third of revenue generated from ticket sales.

  23. Goobergooner

    How has Wellington Silva done since we loaned him out 39 times?

    Was that all just jive talk because Wenger thought more of him than he actually produced?

  24. Micheal

    Speaking personally, I hate Kroenke and everything he stands for. But to understand what is happening at Arsenal we need to first understand his motives. Why does he bother with Arsenal – what is the point ?

    So far, he has spent £1bn + buying 100% control. But that’s it. Most notoriously, his hands-off style of ownership allowed Wenger and Gazdis to dive us to the cliff-edge. However forget football for a moment and study the business case.

    So far at least, Kroenke has not milked his £1bn + asset. His take-out has been little more than £3m – a paltry return on his money. Even banks pay more than that for deposits. Nor has he – so far – loaded our balance sheet with the debt for buying up Usmanov’s shares or injecting money into his American portfolio.
    Kroenke has also turned down at least one offer, which suggests either that he does not want to sell or that the price was not right.

    Forget the football, but the potenital for financial growth alone is a lot more limited than buying the alternative “sleeping giants” of say, Newcastle or Aston Villa. Despite the current crisis, Arsenal are financially strong and close to the top football levels which leaves far less scope for financial growth than the Geordies or Villa.

    Therefore, the big unanswered question is to discover Kroenke’s motvation for owning Arsenal. He is not taking money out, he is not loading us with debt and he does not apear to be interested in selling.

  25. Goobergooner

    I’m willing to give guen a go as he’s shown he can give it a go for us, and martinelli is the 2nd of the new team to have this potential we all crave. I’m keen to see him in action for sure

  26. Grant Elkin

    Only reason SK brought Arsenal was to make his portfolio look good, and as an asset to borrow against for his new stadium. As I commented yesterday, and as Pedro rightly said stop attending matches and lining his pockets. Hit him wear it hurts, rich men don’t like losing money. He in no way shape or form gives a toss about us fans but I bet he will when his revenue starts ro drop. There’s no need for match day protests or banners or fly overs, just stop attending matches and buying merchandise, it’s simple non confrontational and will hit SK wear it hurts most his wallet.

  27. Un na naai

    Now we are fucking talking Pedro!!! Great post!!! This is exactly what we need and exactly what we should have been working towards over the last five years
    Yes wenger should have gone too but we’ve given a free pass to kroenke and Gazidis for far too long. Only one out the three truly cared for arsenal.

    Kroenke OUT

  28. HighburyLegend

    “Why does he bother with Arsenal – what is the point ?”

    Arsenal is still a “brand” which attract many people from all other the globe.
    Fans who are not living in London – in other words : “tourists”.

    ===>> £££££££££ (or $$$$$$$$$, if you prefer…)

  29. Un na naai

    Goober you fanny
    How about you attempt to counter the point made rather than talk shit about me? Not that I care but you’ve made yourself look toothless by not even attempting to counter the point.

    Yes I think arsenal fans have been mugged off over the last 10 years. We’ve paid more money than anyone else in the world for a substandard product. I took a stand years ago before Stan ever got inovolved. Before le grove ever existed. There was no way to share my thoughts like you can here today.

    So go on. How is exactly is any of that bull shit big mouth?

  30. Un na naai

    And there is more and more clamour for fans to stop attending matches until we see some action.

    Ya likkle batty hole

  31. Dissenter

    Un na
    “And there is more and more clamour for fans to stop attending matches until we see some action’

    Easy for you to say, it’s not your money down the drain.

  32. Emiratesstroller

    Highbury Legend

    Most of the season ticket holders where I sit are “long term supporters” and not tourists as you suggest.

    My family starting with my father have been supporting the club since the 1940s and for the record it is my local club i.e. closest to where I live.

  33. Micheal

    “Arsenal is still a “brand” which attract many people from all other the globe.
    Fans who are not living in London – in other words : “tourists”.”

    HL: No disrepect, but I was talki9ng about the business case for Kroenke owning Arsenal – not football. And I fully agree with ES, I don’t believe the 40,000+ season ticket holders can remotely be described as tourists. ES is also correct in pointing out that ticket revenue is declining as a proportion of total revenue and sponsorship income is now vital.

  34. Un na naai

    Dissenter

    It was my money though until I’d had enough. The club was taking the piss way back in 06. If more arsenal fans had stood up and protested in some way would we now have been in this position? We will never know. I was spending a large chunk of my wage watching arsenal in late teens/ early twenties and I have great memories watching us beat Chelsea and spurs and Newcastle and Leeds and United and Liverpool en route to glory. It hurt to not have to go but I wasn’t getting mugged off. If I had a son I’d have taken him to palace or Fulham instead
    Clubs that value their fans

  35. Cesc Appeal

    Dani Ceballos rumours today about being close to a loan move to Arsenal. He only wants a loan apparently because he still thinks he can play well and then make it at Madrid.

    Would be a good move for us. Potentially great player there and if he plays well this season we could try to convince him he belongs here.

  36. Dissenter

    The Gunners will miss out on Lyon and France playmaker Nabil Fekir, 25, because they cannot offload former Germany midfielder Mesut Ozil, 30. (L’Equipe, via Sun)

  37. Cesc Appeal

    Dissenter

    That one was circling a while back, I think that is just designed to piss off Arsenal fans because we all knew no one was going to buy a pussy on £350 000 a week so if bringing in someone was dependent on offloading Ozil then it was a nonstarter.

    Not many takers for Fekir though and his value is reasonable given the market…something not right there.

  38. Marko

    I saw that too CA option to buy too. Could be a great deal if he gets back to how he played at Betis. Where he was truly outstanding. Think Fabian Ruiz and Lo Celso before they were good.

  39. Dissenter

    Un na
    It was my money though until I’d had enough‘

    Exactly… buts it’s not your money right now.
    Let those with more skin in the game make up their minds about what to do.
    Pedro explained it well; If I were a season ticket holder, I would tell all internet bloviating champions to stick their opinions where the sun don’t shine.

  40. Thomas

    Anyone who keeps renewing their season ticket and/or buys the new kit is a complete mug at this point.

  41. Dissenter

    Cesc Appeal
    I saw snippets of the. Colorado Rapids game where Mustafi was booed coming on but Ozil was cheered when he came on.

    It was like…the rarified air of high altitude Denver must be affecting these gooners.

  42. Un na naai

    Dissenter

    Pedro also said that he’s not a season ticket holder now and that he thinks we should boycott the stadium
    You can’t just cherry pick to suit your narrative

    And i already out my money where my mouth is.
    I stopped going

    It’s up to everyone else to do what they think is best. My opinion won’t change on the matter and I’ll continue to share it wether the mugs like it or not

  43. Dissenter

    Un na
    Pedro is also being preposterous too because he knows what’s it like to pay your money and then have folks who talk big on the internet tell you what you should be doing.
    ‘You stopped going in 2006 right….so I doubt that was for Kroenke because he was just another shareholder back then.
    The club was in a positive spin at the time; new stadium, persisting lingering glow of the invisible season, professorial manager and champions league final losers. We knew we didn’t have as much money but the future still looked exciting.
    Why did you stop going in 2006?

  44. Marko

    And i already out my money where my mouth is.

    In 2006 yeah. A bit early to start the Kroenke out movement wasn’t it. Sounds more like a spoilt child who made a decision after a cup final defeat. 06 maybe you saw the decline start before Stan got involved. Or maybe you’re clairvoyant

  45. Marko

    I saw snippets of the. Colorado Rapids game where Mustafi was booed coming on but Ozil was cheered when he came on.

    Like I said our fanbase is inherently stupid at the end of the day

  46. Emiratesstroller

    Highbury Legend

    No offence taken.

    However, you should not assume that most supporters [season ticket holders]
    attending games are tourists.

    What has changed in the twenty years or so is that it costs now a lot of money
    to watch football in the flesh.

    That applies to a lot of other forms of entertainment. It does not come cheap
    to go to the theatre, opera or Glastonbury Festival.

  47. Dissenter

    I’ve read fans who are truthful and honest about why they stopped going.
    Some people just candidly started that they were priced out of a ticket, which is understandable
    Nothing to do with Kroenke for some. A lot of these conservative ways of depending heavily on ticket sales predates Kroenke.

  48. Marc

    Nice piece Pedro

    – it’s good to see you taking a balanced approach to what’s going on. You’ve had a bit of a habit recently of plunging into despair over minor things.

    I would make the point that so far in his history with Arsenal Kroenke has protected his investment. He loved Wenger because he produced CL football with the odd cup thrown in, as soon as Wenger missed out on top 4 he was given one season to get back in when it became clear he was about to miss out for a 2nd time he was gone.

    The big question is what was the driving force behind this decision? Empty seats and fan dissatisfaction or the loss of CL revenue?

  49. KAY Boss

    Nice kit but gosh, what is yellow number doing on a red shirt.
    Everton ain’t going for €70m.. probably €40m. My opinion though.
    So we’ll probably have Tierney, Everton, Ceballos, a Cab and maybe a dream signing….. Zaha. 😊😀

  50. Dissenter

    The club needs to seek a young hungry playmaker from any youth team possible. It could be a loan deal with an obligation to buy.
    We need a player that can bench Ozil when his failings resume. It wont take long before his shenanigans begin agin.

  51. HighburyLegend

    “I don’t believe the 40,000+ season ticket holders can remotely be described as tourists. ”

    Of course.
    I just wanted to say that there is many fans, from another countries, who attends to the games for fun, for visiting the Stadium, and for buying stuff and other souvenirs at the official store, but I turned my phrase bad

  52. S Asoa

    Emirates
    “The biggest threat to the economic success of club is not the loyalty of season
    ticket holders like myself, but the sponsorship packages of Adidas, Emirates
    and Rwanda Tourism. If they are dissatisfied with the product on offer they will not renew.”
    This could somewhat easily materialise if there is utter bad vibes and a bad image like during the fag end of the WengerOut campaign.
    Of course, nothing will happen if we just sit on our arses doing nothing unpleasant.
    You need blooms, got to soil your hands planting

  53. Marko

    All well and good getting ahead of ourselves with regards to Everton or Cebellos or Tierney or Saliba but if at least one top quality CB and a RB aren’t brought in in what little time we have left then it’ll all be for nothing

  54. Dissenter

    Arsenal relies a lot on season tickets so a lot of the empty seats will be paid for already.
    The club will just keep announcing a 62000 attendance and blame bad traffic, tube problems etc.

    Maybe the bad publicity may help change Kroenke’s mind but then the billionaire gave his home town the middle finger and ignored all that atrocious negative publicity.

    Who knows but it will take a lot more than Hugh Wizzy and Pedro’s petition to move the needle.

  55. Un na naai

    That’s right marko
    Shall I read your future?

    I’m seeing a hole
    It’s rectangular

    It’s a post box

  56. Marc

    Something that people should also be aware of:

    Yes a season ticket at Arsenal is a lot of money and I consider myself lucky to be able to afford one but there’s a constant myth peddled that Arsenal are more expensive than other clubs. There will always be small clubs that don’t’ charge as much as Arsenal but when you look at the cost of Arsenal against other clubs then the difference ranges between minimal and better value.

    A lot of this is perpetuated by the media whether through lazy ignorance or a let’s have a pop at Arsenal agenda.

    A few examples:

    Talksport ran a thing a few years ago – How can Arsenal charge £100 more for a season ticket than Arsenal. No one checked that Arsenal give 26 matches on an ST and the Spud’s give 19 – this was before the Spud stadium move and from what I can find out the Spud’s have now removed all cup credits from a season ticket without reducing costs.

    There was a huge outcry by City supporters a couple of years ago when their league game at the Emirates became an A fixture – they were complaining that the cost of a ticket was circa £64. The media went mental, no one checked that the cost for an Arsenal fan for the reverse fixture was £59.

    ManU quote a face value of a season ticket for league matches only. They then forcibly bill the holder for all cup matches whether they want to attend or not.

  57. Marko

    Ah no follow your train of thought. In 2006 you gave up because…it couldn’t have been because of the direction or leadership of the club under Kroenke. Is it possible that you pegged Wenger all those years back and didn’t even know it. More likely is the man child in you came out and you had a strope after the final defeat

  58. S Asoa

    And most Importantly
    All the super-entitled Arseholes stop 🛑 scoring brownie points against fellow Gooners. It is not getting us anywhere, except showing up YOUR IMMATURITY.

  59. Un na naai

    Marko

    I’m seeing a Jack Russel and an envelope

    Or maybe arsenal jacked the prices up and started selling off world class layers. Letting one go after being tapped up by our nearest rivals for £15m when they paid that for Ferreira two years beofe and Cole was twice the player
    Easily
    They offered me a season ticket at £4000

    So no. Nothing to do with kroenke or the champions league final at all
    Keep trying though
    One day you will get something right Jackeen
    One day

  60. Marko

    Kroenke bought his first shares in 2007

    True. Didn’t have a controlling stake until 2011 when he bought 60%.

  61. Un na naai

    I stand by my statement. The fans have been getting mugged off for too long by a club who have no fucks about over charging for a sub standard product.

    Only project youth and the quality football it brought quelled dissent for a time but now that’s all gone. Along with the champions league and along with the man who gave it to us

  62. Un na naai

    Marko

    If you’re going to defend kroenke then just come out of the closet. Don’t beat around the bush
    I know you’re coy what with embarrassing yourself over your championing of Raul and emery

  63. Marko

    So no. Nothing to do with kroenke or the champions league final at all
    Keep trying though

    So you’re saying that the club was already selling it’s best assets and spending fuck all and treating the fans like shit prior to Stan getting involved? Well I’m shocked. I thought better of those “Arsenal values”

  64. Emiratesstroller

    Dissenter

    The empty seats at the club has never been a problem for the management, because they promote attendance figures based on seats sold and not who turns up.

    What did impact on the owner and management at Arsenal were the complaints made to the club in 2017/8 season made by supporters including
    myself.

    As I pointed out in my posts on Le Grove I received a 20 minute phonecall from club at time. Whilst some like RT denigrated what had occurred the
    reason for phonecall to me was that the club were concerned about how
    longstanding season ticket holders were reacting.

    The reality is that most Arsenal Supporters are not revolutionaries. They go to club primarily to watch a decent game of football.

    The result in itself is not of primary importance or whether we win the league or cups on a regular basis. Arsenal has a fairly good return on investment for most long term supporters such as myself.

    However, what is of concern at the moment is the distinct lack of ambition and
    the plea of poverty coming from the club.

  65. Gentlebris

    Ok, DB10, you didn’t have to call me a ‘straggler’, just that I was kind of busy. Bottom line, I have signed!

    Anyone here should go sign if yet to too.

  66. Un na naai

    Marko

    Yes but we had an excuse then. The stadium needed to be paid for. I just wasn’t going to use my money to pay for it while they jacked up prices and sold off our leaders. I’m sure I remember them saying that the ticket increase was temporary until the stadium was paid for.

    I’d also just bought my first house at 21 which obviously affected my ability to waste money on a club which was clearly taking a corporate direction

  67. Marc

    “They offered me a season ticket at £4000 ”

    That would’ve been in club level. I’m not aware of any standard (lower tier / upper tier) tickets that get close to that.

    I have friends who were ST’s holders at Highbury and they were invited to the new stadium on an open day to pick their new seats.

    Un it really sounds like you’ve got caught telling a fib and can’t let go.

  68. Un na naai

    I wasn’t a season ticket holder
    I was a member and I’m waiting list but I got offered a £4K ticket

    I never once said I was a season ticket holder. I refused a season ticket

  69. Nelson

    I know many people here support this s. s. model. I would like some experts in finance to evaluate this model again under the current situation.

    In the past, Arsenal was the most popular team in London. It had more fans all over the world than any other London based teams. It always played in the Champions League. It offered some beautiful attacking footballs that the fans were proud of. It was very attractive for football fans and sponsors alike. The club was making more money than it could spend. The s.s. model was loved by everyone.

    Fast forward to 2019. The club starts reporting financial loses. We were overtaken by Chelsea and SPUDs in London. We are not playing in the Champions League. SPUDs has built a larger stadium. The football offered on the field is not attractive. The club is in a serious decline. Please tell me whether this s.s. model is still adequate?

  70. Marc

    Un

    Well that’s a completely different kettle of fish. Club level tickets are bloody expensive and a world away from standard tickets.

    I’m trying to remember when I joined the list but there was a separate list for club and ST’s.

  71. Marko

    I’m sure I remember them saying that the ticket increase was temporary until the stadium was paid for.

    So 2030 or whatever it is. Sounds like their keeping their word.

    Un it really sounds like you’ve got caught telling a fib and can’t let go.

    Don? I won’t hear it

    “I’d also just bought my first house at 21”

    And a season ticket holder for years to boot. Wow.

  72. Marko

    I never once said I was a season ticket holder. I refused a season ticket

    Oh. So what are we talking about? That one time you were offered a season ticket and you refused? Sooooooo

  73. Dissenter

    Un na
    “I’d also just bought my first house at 21 which obviously affected my ability to waste money on a club which was clearly taking a corporate direction‘

    So Arsenal was not operating in a corporate direction when they were in a stadium with 38,419 capacity?

    Why don’t you just admit you were priced out as a young man in your twenties.
    No shame in that.
    … all those stories about a club level season ticket offer?

  74. Marc

    Nelson

    I’m not sure the Spud’s new stadium is bigger. The number of seats they declare can’t be used for a “football” match it’s for American Football. I’ve tried to get the actual number but can’t find it anywhere.

    What I would say is you would expect the Spud’s to have filled it for the handful of matches they have played in it – attendance figures for the 7 matches they’ve played so far as follow.

    59215 – Palace
    60044 – City
    58308 – Huddersfield
    56251 – Brighton
    60043 – West Ham
    60243 – Ajax
    60124 – Everton

  75. Gentlebris

    I hate it in my stomach when I see people saying it would be almost impossible to get Kroenke out, if I was about to hire you and you sounded like that about a challenge, you are off immediately.

    It’s very doable if we unite our anger and give it a common platform.

    Not even difficult imo.

    Ok, Stan is a deep water shark who gives no rat ass, we can grab his neck and feed him rat asses all day long on the fucking INTERNET.

    Then of course if we label it dark betrayal to go to the ground these days and behave like it is ourselves, the stadium should be half empty every game. It wouldn’t kill you if you catch Ozil’s efforts on the fucking television would it.

    And if Stan is too cold for us(a myth of course),we go after Josh until it becomes daddy’s issue.

    Good first step with the warning letter, but it has to get much more messier before Kroenke stirs.

    Let me tell you, Billionaires understand ‘mess’ and they are afraid of it. They always make it go away. Kroenke would act to make it go away if we get things really messed.

  76. Marko

    Reportedly Barcelona are baulking at Betis and their 27 million pound 30 million euros price for Firpo. A no brainer for me for the sake of an extra 2 million

  77. Marko

    I hate it in my stomach when I see people saying it would be almost impossible to get Kroenke out, if I was about to hire you and you sounded like that about a challenge, you are off immediately.

    Respectfully this is a load of nonsense. If you were about to hire me and I was downbeat about being able to oust you (let alone a billionaire) you wouldn’t even hire me? Just as well cause I wouldn’t be interested in working for a lunatic.

    Best case scenario he gets more involved financially and has more of an interest. No way we force him to sell. If he’s refusing billion pound bids and instead buys more shares there’s little chance of us forcing him out

  78. Un na naai

    Hahahahaha
    Fuck me you lot are desperately trying to prove something here aren’t you?

    It’s really simple. I was offered a season ticket when we moved from Highbury. It was extortionate. I then cancelled my membership. I stopped going to games because they jacked up the prices and cut off the touts whom I used to buy from if I couldn’t get a ticket on the hotline. (Working on site I had no access to computers and there were no iPhones back then)

    The whole Ashley Cole debacle was a disgrace to boot as was the sale of team leaders without replacement.

    What’s so hard to believe about any of this? Anyway. Fuck it. I’ve got bout to prove a dub postman or anyone else.
    I had my reasons and I stopped.

    Doesn’t change the fact that there is growing discontent from the fans who beloved the bullshit when we moved and are now starting to realise how badly duped they were by the club and how little the Club cared for them. All this rainbow shoe laces and banning flags and visit Rwanda and get a bullet in your Mrs and kids and all that bollocks

    It’s all bollocks. All arsenal are now is a corporate brand
    We stopped bing a football club the day we moved and it only got worse from there

  79. Un na naai

    Marko

    You’re lucky to have had a job at the post office. I wouldn’t have you stacking shelves at Asda

  80. Un na naai

    Dissenter

    They sent a letter offering me a season ticket at club level. 100% fact. What would I have to gain by lying about it? There is nothing impressive about that at all. Any dick head can get on to the waiting list.

  81. Victorious

    Fvcking West Ham apparently splurging our ‘entire budget’ on a single player,Haller

    Lol…we’re a complete joke and the sooner that Yank cvnt fucks off from this club the better for all of us

  82. Alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    ‘Sad reality for us is that the exec leadership team only answer to one man, and if that man doesn’t want to make greatness happen, we’re fucked.’

    This is what I’ve been saying on here for over six years.

    Stan Kroenke is the worst thing that has happened to arsenal fc in the modern era.

    I’m the glad the penny finally dropped.

  83. Victorious

    Yesterday was Everton Soared, today Ceballos, tomorrow will probably be Solomon Kalou

    I mean it’s so funny the tabloids are capitalizing on our desperation for some worthy transfer actions to continually take the piss on us everyday

    Worse transfer window ever

    #Wecaredoyou

  84. Victorious

    Stan Kroenke is the worst thing that has happened to arsenal fc in the modern era.”

    Absolutely, only a couple of boneheaded and delusional Yankees will disagree with this.

    The man is a CURSE to Arsenal FC

  85. Goobergooner

    Un na you little bitch.

    2 seasons ago you would have cried wolf that people were disrespectful to the club and most of all Wenger with what you’re now saying. You didn’t take any stand you’re a fucking internet pretender talking absolute shit non stop. You’re beyond a joke.

    And the only reason you’re now saying this shit is because you’re now gutted Wenger left and everything about the new regime is shit. Mostly warranted but still fucking hypocritical because it was shit before Wenger left also and you had no balls to care. In Wenger we trust eh mate.

  86. Victorious

    Goober
    Says so much about you that you still hold Wenger responsible for the various plagues holding the club back

    I mean I feel sorry for you and I hope you eventually get the memo sooner rather than later

  87. Goobergooner

    “Doesn’t change the fact that there is growing discontent from the fans who beloved the bullshit when we moved and are now starting to realise how badly duped they were by the club and how little the Club cared for them. ”

    Mate you talk the big talk but when Wenger was here you complained at everyone who thought change was needed.

    Go and do something useful for yourself like read a book or talk to your loved ones you dumb fuck

  88. Goobergooner

    Vic, the fact that you haven’t seen this shit storm coming for more than 1 season is something I feel sorry for you about.

  89. Receding Hairline

    “And being a season ticket holder at arsenal is some life long achievement? Poor fella”

    Was referring to your other brags on here but no surprise that sailed right over your head, as you were then

  90. Goobergooner

    The only thing that grinds my gears on here is the Wenger in til the end folk now being the anti establishment crew.

    Fuck the lot of you

  91. Marko

    Says so much about you that you still hold Wenger responsible for the various plagues holding the club back

    He’s gone all is forgiven and forgotten am I right? No no we’re still clearly feeling the effects that horrendous leech done to the club. Until all of the obviously underperforming and overpaid wank is out of the club we will still be feeling that Wenger effect

  92. Un na naai

    Go and do something useful for yourself like read a book or talk to your loved ones you dumb fuck

    Aaaahahahahaha
    I’m at work you plonker. We don’t all have to to ring up mummy for a chitty chat, twirling the phone cable round our toes while we gossip.

    I must be doing something right if I’ve triggered such a powder puff.

    Let me ask you GOOBER. How useful is reading a book right now? Hmmm. I need to fix this. I know, let’s read death of a salesman. No. Of mice and men. Which book is the most uself GOOBER?

    Hahahaha.

  93. TheLegendaryDB10

    Marc

    The big question is what was the driving force behind this decision? Empty seats and fan dissatisfaction or the loss of CL revenue?

    I think Kroenke sees that as long as The Arsenal are in the CL, the inherent value if the club will go up as the CL is considered as a prestigious event. So dropping out can be seen as a potential way for the club to lose value. (?) Hence him kicking out AW once we were out of CL for a second year running.

    Gentlebris

    OK, OK maybe a bit too strong but it got you to sign It! 😉 Glad you did!

    And the petition is at 86,900+ and counting!

  94. Victorious

    , the fact that you haven’t seen this shit storm coming for more than 1 season is something I feel sorry for you about.”

    Total nonsense,

    We’ve been plummeting into nothiness since 2007 when the Yank cvnt first got involved with us, literally anyone with eyes for the game would notice the sharp decline from then up to now..The club made progresses by winning the few cups and CL football despite the Yank leech and not because of him
    No amount of positivity or interest from the guy as a result we’re currently a mediocre

    Just a shame it’s coming 10years too late for fans like yourself to smell the stale coffee

  95. Un na naai

    Transplant

    I know exactly what you’re getting at but when people claim that I live in my mums basement or that I’m a council block pikey or that I’m on the dole or whatever nonsese then I feel it is only fair to set the record straight. I’ve been nothing but honest since my first post here even if I do love winding you muppets up from time to time

  96. Victorious

    He’s gone all is forgiven and forgotten am I right? No no we’re still clearly feeling the effects that horrendous leech done to the club. Until all of the obviously underperforming and overpaid wank is out of the club we will still be feeling that Wenger effect”

    Oga this is our third Window after Wenger and the club is still remains the public ridicule and utter joke of the transfer window as ever..i mean we’ve given most of the ‘wank’ signed by Wenger new contracts

    Brought a broken DSuarez in the whole of January and can’t seem to be able move or sign players so far.. How long will u be blaming Wenger? Would he still be culpable if we finish 7the next season? I bet

  97. Un na naai

    Marko

    Been researching it have you? Planning a little trip to the post office

    Sorry Arnold, I’m not down with the correct spelling for automatic weapons. Next time you come back from fighting the predator or bands of mercenaries would you mind takin the time to help me with the correct spellings?

  98. Ishola70

    It’s ridiculous to imply that Arsenal nosedived as soon as Stan bought his first fucking share lol.

    Wenger was regressing.

    Why is it so hard for people to just realise that we have had a shit sandwich of mixed reasons why the club find itself where it is today.

    Regressing delusional manager, charlatan CEO and a shit owner.

    And I don’t want to hear nonsense about Stan sacking Wenger early. Not when so many mugs were still eating out of his hand and beating up anyone who dared utter against him.

    Just be thankful the coast is clear now to go after Kroenke.

  99. Marko

    Sorry Arnold, I’m not down with the correct spelling for automatic weapons.

    I know you’re too thick to let spell check help you out too. Anyway

  100. Victorious

    Marko how times have changed eh

    Remember those times a couple of posters would mock you and label you ‘Moan-arko’ for acting a bitch and not willing to exercise patience for new signings or improved performance from players

    I mean the irony you’re now Mr Patience and a self imposed defensive militant for the club preaching caution and waffling all over the place.

  101. Un na naai

    I mean the irony you’re now Mr Patience and a self imposed defensive militant for the club preaching caution and waffling all over the place

    Vic

    Anyone would swear he had an agenda

  102. Ishola70

    Vic

    “Except two has since taken the hike remaining the biggest elephant in the room”

    Well we know that.

    But stop telling untruths that Arsenal regressed as soon as Stan brought his first share. That’s ridiculous.

    Wenger was seeing to it that Arsenal were regressing at that time.

  103. Champagne Charlie

    No, I refuse to believe Marko is himself a massive hypocrite.

    To my knowledge that tag was saved for others that he deemed so..

  104. Un na naai

    Ishola

    We were 4 points off the title in 07/08 playing the best football the country had ever seen. Better than the invincibles.

    I’d say we were alright when kroenke came in.

  105. Graham62

    Gentlebris

    Totally agree.

    Those people who feel it is impossible to get Kroenke out are pessimists to the extreme and are only showing their own weak minded attitudes towards adversity.

    I pointed out the same things the other week and was mocked because of the fact he( Kroenke)was a ‘billionaire” and was therefore untouchable. What a load of crock!

    Getting Kroenke out is, as you highlight, fairly straightforward. Make it really “messy”.

    Those that feel otherwise (ie Marko) are gutless, passionless pussies who, for the most part, believe in self preservation above everything else. They see themselves as realists. I see them as defeatists.

    Marko’s response, in many respects, typifies why Arsenal are where they are.

    A positive step is made and yet there are still those who are not prepared to fight for the club.

    Cringeworthy.

  106. Victorious

    And I don’t want to hear nonsense about Stan sacking Wenger early. Not when so many mugs were still eating out of his hand and beating up anyone who dared utter against him.”

    What excuse! How flaccid must Stan’s cock be

    Imagine an ambitious owner giving a fvck what the fans think regardless of what he sees with his eyes, depreciating revenues and lack of eyes for the bigger prizes

    You think the Chelsea owner gives a duck of how the wankers supporters feel he should run the club?

    Would imagine he wouldn’t be half as succeful if he took a leaf from Stan’s handbook of utter cluelessness

  107. Ishola70

    Vic

    Stop talking rot.

    You were one of those firmly up Wenger’s arse for far too long just like others on here.

    You don’t have the right to call out Stan when you were rimming Arsene.

  108. Receding Hairline

    “Would imagine he wouldn’t be half as succeful if he took a leaf from Stan’s handbook of utter cluelessness”

    Successful in life or successful as a club owner??

    Cos its kinda funny calling a billionaire clueless

  109. Marc

    DB10

    ” So dropping out can be seen as a potential way for the club to lose value. (?) Hence him kicking out AW once we were out of CL for a second year running.”

    Agree I think the fan’s staying away and general dissatisfaction just added to the situation.

    The question now is what with Kroenke do to address problem – now I personally think some of the problems we have are going to take a couple of years to sort out, other things should be a quicker fix. Emery missing out on CL football last season was a fuck up no doubt and he won’t get an extension if we miss out again. The club do seem to be making an effort to get the wage bill under control but the fans really need to see a couple of players come in just to get a bit of feel good factor going again.

  110. Ishola70

    Un

    Stan could only have a great influence once he was at a certain stage of ownership.

    We saw weaknesses in the manager before Stan’s influence was at a real advanced stage.

    Other posters on here were implying that Arsenal took a nosedive as soon as Stan brought his first share not me.

  111. Un na naai

    Wake up Charlie
    Marko dictates who does what around here. Especially with Bamford gone
    There’s a power vacuum and Arnold has stepped up. Oozi and all 😂

  112. Receding Hairline

    “You don’t have the right to call out Stan when you were rimming Arsene.”

    Well someone here has suggested that had Stan been a better owner Arsene would have done a better job. It wasn’t Arsene that had lost the plot it was the bad influence of Stan that led to the shoddy squad building, shoddy tactics etc.

    Poor Arsene was corrupted by Stan apparently.

  113. Snowman

    ”The club needs to seek a young hungry playmaker from any youth team possible. It could be a loan deal with an obligation to buy.
    We need a player that can bench Ozil when his failings resume ”

    I was starting to get excited with the RB Salzburg player we were linked with, Szoboszlai I believe. But it seems sadly the rumours have died down.

    Though I Agree 100%. Can’t stand another season of starting a man down.

  114. Marko

    Woah woah woah Graham because I don’t think a petition will get rid of Kroenke I’m a pussy. Agree with the pessimist bit. Guy didn’t accept over a billion pounds from usmanov but a petition will do the trick? Nah. As I said best case scenario it forces him to get more involved financially and forces him to give a shit. No way it forces him to sell. I’m all for power to the people and that they can in fact force change but at the end of the day it’s only football

  115. Marc

    Graham

    I keep asking people this and never get an answer.

    “Getting Kroenke out is, as you highlight, fairly straightforward. Make it really “messy”.”

    What is your way of making it messy?

    I’m called out for standing up for Kroenke – I’ve no issue with him being gone I’d just like to hear what the master plan is?

  116. Champagne Charlie

    “Well someone here has suggested that had Stan been a better owner Arsene would have done a better job……..Poor Arsene was corrupted by Stan apparently”

    Who posted that? Got any quotes to go with it?

  117. Marko

    Charlie where was I being a hypocrite? Come on now don’t start the day as you usually finish it as in being dishonest