Ultimate endgame: Stan sells. But how?

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Great to see Arsenal fans responding so well the letter yesterday.

Could lead to nothing, or it could be the first step on the path to real fan action. You know, like sending a severed horse head to Josh wrapped in an LA Rams shirt.

Too far?

Sad reality for us is that the exec leadership team only answer to one man, and if that man doesn’t want to make greatness happen, we’re fucked.

The only true way of making things hard for Stan K and his trustafarian man baby is to make a statement in the stadium.

Literally, don’t show up.

I think the empty stands worried the club and those sun-bleached red seats on TV never look good. The only way to make things really unappealing for Stan is to starve the club of fans in the ground. You have to hurt a money many where it actually stings… the wallet.

The way to real change is to convince Stan that selling the club is more financially viable than pumping a few million quid in here and there.

Ultimately, I don’t really understand the point of having a foreign club in the portfolio if you’re actively tanking it into the ground. We’re must be annoying, the cost of bringing us back to the top is getting higher and higher as each season passes, and to truly make it happen, there needs to be a concentrated effort.

I’m not sure Stan has the stomach for that.

Even if we move back to the top, does it really impact their LA life? Doubtful. Not sure people in their circles give a rats backside about how his English club is doing.

We know that £2b wasn’t enough for Stan. He’s already rejected a mega bid. But everyone has a price. There’s a threshold for every owner. A cost vs aggravation equation. One that looks to be getting the better of Roman Abramovich of late. The Russian has no love from the people, no love from the government, and things are so crazy, even he’s starting to look like a pauper.

… however, slate Roman all you like, he loved the football. Joy factored in his passion.

It doesn’t factor into Stan’s. Most billionaires would stop doing something when it became arduous or unsatisfying… or, you know, a bit embarrassing. The sticking point is that Arsenal was never a plaything for him, it was just an asset that made good returns (in a property sense). The only difference now is that the top four supremacy we once boasted has disappeared. How much more valuable can the club get without success?

I read an interesting quote about someone in politics.

‘If you have no values, how can you be judged?’

It’s similar in sport.

‘If you don’t care about winning, how can you ever feel the burn of failure?’

Back to the takeover… where does the money come from?

We’re a real jewel, a very attractive sleeping giant, instant credibility if we were purchased. But are the Arab countries getting a bit bored of throwing so much money at a problem that even PSG levels of investment can’t crack the big trophies?

Or does the fame, credibility and power our postcode offers investors still make us a prize worth chasing?

You still have to give reason for someone to sell.

Arsenal fans are a comfortable bunch. We’re mostly well off, we mostly don’t like conflict, and the idea of spending your Sunday protesting something that is ‘supposed’ to give you joy seems a little offensive to most.

You also don’t want to be told what to do by some loudmouth behind a keyboard or camera. You don’t want your fandom to be judged by whether you go or not. I’m not a season ticket holder at the minute, but when I was, I detested armchair folk telling me how to support.

‘Go fuck yourself’ I thought. I put my money down. I stand in the cold watching Theo Walcott fall on his arse all day. I’ll support how I want. It’s very, very hard to take a rationale view to football, especially if you’ve spent money on it.

… but perversely, if you see your season ticket as a long term investment, the way to get the most value from it is to miss 5 games in unison with 30,000 other fans when things inevitably go sour this season.

The property equivalent is a little bit like owning an old property in London they won’t let you build on because it’s listed. Do you sit on it, because there’s sentimentality and rules in place, or do you burn it down totally by accident?

There aren’t many that take the latter option, but those that take the former are richer than you.

Do you want to be football rich? Well, you know the answer (don’t go. Please don’t try and start a fire)

My campaign would be:

#DontSitOnItSellIt

Needs some work for sure.

Let me know what YOU think in the comments.

P.S. I was flying through the preseason game, but excellent to see Martinelli and Saka score! Well played to Olayinka as well. WINNING START. x

 

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  1. Marko

    The word Values does not appear once in football londons version of the interview

    The mirror one has values or traditions mentioned 4 times. And also this beaut:
    “It’s no secret that we have a Champions League wage bill on a Europa League budget right now. That’s a fact. And one that we’re figuring out how to face internally at the moment.”

  2. Receding Hairline

    “As part of negotiations over a deal for Kieran Trippier, Tottenham have been offered the chance to sign Atletico Madrid striker Angel Correa, Sky Sports News understands.

    It is unclear whether Spurs want to sign Correa but he is an Argentina intentional and therefore well-known to Mauricio Pochettino. ”

    It is worth noting Spurs have only completed one transfer of note so far, basically replacing Dembele with a younger fitter version. I still expect them to do a lot of business. Corea will want out of the premier league in no time if they yield, reminds me of Jefferson Montero

  3. Champagne Charlie

    “CC said Wenger would have won the league had the owner been more committed… he’s still lying about it till today even though it’s set in stone for all to read.“

    Go get it then. You’ll do one of two things:

    1) refuse and just be your standard lying self
    2) post the quote and show yourself to be a lying arse

  4. Receding Hairline

    “It’s no secret that we have a Champions League wage bill on a Europa League budget right now. That’s a fact. And one that we’re figuring out how to face internally at the moment.””

    Wonder whose fault that is ….Emery i guess

    “They can help with the Europa League budget part”

    When we talk about Dortmund and Spurs shouldn’t we sought of emulate them?? Shouldn’t our wage structure be done in such a way the player continue to lose money the longer we stay out of the UCL? I doubt the late season collapse would have happened if that was the case in my opinion

  5. Receding Hairline

    “CC said Wenger would have won the league had the owner been more committed… he’s still lying about it till today even though it’s set in stone for all to read.“Go get it then. You’ll do one of two things:1) refuse and just be your standard lying self
    2) post the quote and show yourself to be a lying arse”

    The fact you think your wording were smart enough for you to weasel out of that does not make it a lie. You are just being ignored, every man and his dog knows you believe Wenger would have won more with more committed owners

  6. Marko

    That Diallo deal doesn’t make sense. Just a 3 million profit after a year? Hardly worth selling him but maybe they did it so as not to lose Zagadou.

    Receding as for the Firpo stuff it depends on what rumours you believe. Certainly if they bring back Cucurella then they’re not going to sign Firpo. The Liverpool link is a strange one to me because he’s a starter and they’re not going to replace Robertson with anyone

  7. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    Yea you’re another from the school of ignoring what’s posted and attributing your own meanings to what’s said.

    That’s it chap, I wrote one thing but I meant another….because you say so. Gotcha

  8. Receding Hairline

    Marko maybe someone else is bidding higher than 4m euros for Cucurella. Don’t be surprised if he is sold or goes on a loan with an obligation to buy for a higher fee.

    They must feel the 2m euros they got from Eibar was nothing, if he had a successful loan spell they could easily get 12m for him or more

  9. Elmo

    One thing Josh Kroenke’s comments confirm is what we already knew: Zaha will not be coming this summer, and Arsenal certainly didn’t bid €80m for that Pepe lad.

    If he’s openly stating we won’t be buying stars anytime soon, then it’s fair to infer from that we won’t be offering £60/70/80m for any player.

  10. Marko

    At his most squirrelly on this particular subject. You’d think the Antonio Valencia comment would be the one he’d try to weasel out of the most but no. Takes balls that

  11. Guns of SF

    Kroneke does not mention anything about how he and his father have had anything to do with their supposed “custodianship” in making this club decline.

    Wenger was the first fall guy. Now, we have a new team that will be the next in line.

    Also, IVAN really fucked us over in the last few years with inept Wenger. Lets not leave him out. The dirty fucking rat he is

  12. Marko

    Nah Receding I’m guessing that they’d rather spend a couple million euros bringing back Cucurella rather than the tens of millions it’ll take to get Firpo given that they’re trying to get Neymar on top of already spending over 200 million. They’ve already signed Cucurella so I think that ends their interest in Fripo this summer. Pointless anyway cause we’ve got our eyes on Tierney unfortunately

  13. Gentlebris

    ‘Funny how Arsenal.com are pushing an interview with Josh K right now- after the letter was released yesterday.Damage control anyone?’

    I have begun to think here is playground for the retards until you put up those words.

    How could people read Josh’s lines and say Josh’s doing anything but step in to calm a gathering storm before it blows off in his father’s face.

    Of course, you thought the Kroenkes wouldn’t even bother, and now it seems they do you wanna put a spin on it?

    People here are so brilliant that they think a man who owns a £2B football club wouldn’t care one bit about what the custodians of the club think.

    Brilliant brilliant folks here.

  14. Guns of SF

    Lets see if the needle moves now with the letter and the response by Josh Jr

    They can buy some goodwill and PR, with 2 signings this week

  15. Uwot?

    Will say at least kronke jnr had decency to respond.Though it smacks of “ damage limitation”but it’s the first shots being fired on this war between them & the fans .Think it’s gone too far down the road now & pressure is on.The fans have had enough & it will only be actions speak louder than words after years of wenger/ gazidis bullshit….

  16. Dissenter

    Charlie Champagne
    Be a man and own your comments
    It’s been posted ad nauseum and you still deny them.

    See how it easy it is to twist other people’s opinion?

  17. Micheal

    Custodians

    Bris, do you know the meaning of the word ? I think you will find that the person who owns 100% of Arsenal is the “custodian” of the club.

  18. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    I’ve never wavered from what I said, and when it’s been posted it’s shown exactly what I’ve stated and not what you’re claiming.

    You think appealing for me to soften on a view because you’re incapable of proving a statement you make is something I’m going to indulge?

    Go post the quote. You’re opportunistically talking shit because you don’t like being critiqued like I’ve done with you towards Bati of late.

  19. Paul Mc Daid

    Arsene Wengers behavior for the last ten years of his reign at Arsenal was nothing short of criminal , I call it The Lost Decade, If Wenger had a spine he would of resigned the day that old fart PHW sacked Dein, But not Wenger, He took that as a feather in his cap and single handily almost destroyed our great club, Stan is a lousy owner but it was Wenger who let him be as he let his ego take over, The result was we were being owned , managed and run by complete incompetence , Stan, Arsene and Ivan were out off there depth and fucked us with a smile for years, Even up to the very end with that pathetic Ozil deal, Dein was no angel but he was a winner and wanted only the best for Arsenal, Winning and competing at the highest level went out the door with Dein, A large part of Arsenal died that Day, Arsene stood idly by and let Chelsea, Utd, City and to a lesser extent Spurs get a free reign by his cowardice , Leicester proved Wenger to be a total fraud, Let’s just hope it does not take another Decade to get this club back to Were we belong , Kudos for the Supporters for finally standing up for this club , We want our Arsenal back.

  20. Marko

    Stability not change. Keep things the way they are and not contribute in any way seems to be the gist of today’s statement.

  21. Gentlebris

    “People here are so brilliant that they think a man who owns a £2B football club wouldn’t care one bit about what the custodians of the club think.”
    ‘Custodians??’

    I have to explain that as well.

    Ok, people whose forefathers laid bricks before Woolwich Arsenal fc ever kicked a ball, and who have been supporting the club since they landed on this space called earth.

  22. Receding Hairline

    “Ok, people whose forefathers laid bricks before Woolwich Arsenal fc ever kicked a ball, and who have been supporting the club since they landed on this space called earth.”

    Do these people have 3b pounds lying around to buy the club from Kroenke or what’s the plan really??? You do understand that Arsenal FC is now Kroenke’s private property right?? Those “custodians” took up the offer he made them for their shares.

    Yet you call others retards

  23. Graham62

    If Wenger had the good of the club at heart, he would have questioned Kroenke or left.

    Of course, he did neither.

    The problem with Wenger was that he was content( or should I say comfortable) with his all consuming position of power, given to him by Kroenke, and genuinely believed that he was doing what was good for the club.

    Wenger therefore was just as culpable as Kroenke.

    Because of his role and ties to the club, probably more so.

  24. Gentlebris

    ‘Bris, do you know the meaning of the word ? I think you will find that the person who owns 100% of Arsenal is the “custodian” of the club’

    Not from a deep interpretation,Sir. The owner is just the owner, he”s not even a Brit, how could he keep custody of a traditional London club?

    Football is like culture, football clubs like elements of culture, the natives are the custodians.

  25. Micheal

    “Those “custodians” took up the offer he made them for their shares. ”

    Receding, this is not correct.

    Kroenke bought the major shareholdings, such as Usmanov’s stake. When he reached 90% of the total, he was permitted under UK corporate law to “compulsorily purchase” all the remaining shares in circulation.

    In the main, these shares were held by small shareholders and long time Arsenal supporters. They had no option but to sell. Small individual shareholders only owned a small percentage of the total.

  26. Micheal

    “Football is like culture, football clubs like elements of culture, the natives are the custodians.”

    I agree that football is part of our culture. But a custodian is a totally different thing. Custodian means owner or someone with responsibility for something. Arsenal supporters are neither of these things in the case of our club.

  27. Graham62

    The #WeCareDoYou should have been sent, at the very least,eight years back.

    Then it could have been sent to all the three stooges.

  28. SUGA3

    Loving the Arsenal Facebook meltdown 😀 They just can’t get a break, bet Adidas are loving this:

    “Hi Arsenal, loving the new away kit. I’d like a Large Men’s.

    I’ll pay £5 now. £5 on delivery and £40 based on bonuses and appearances.”

    Fucking gold :mrgreen:

  29. Gentlebris

    ‘Do these people have 3b pounds lying around to buy the club from Kroenke or what’s the plan really??? You do understand that Arsenal FC is now Kroenke’s private property right?? Those “custodians” took up the offer he made them for their shares. Yet you call others retards’

    If you were not so retarded you would see that Arsenal is nothing without it’s history, not just on the field, but from the native traditions and values angle.

    Else people would take their billions, clear some space and start a football club, not bothering with the existing ones like you don’t have to buy an old brewery to have one.

    These custodians, when united for a common goal and backed by the general supporting populace can demand a change and make it happen.

    Test your mind about what happens if all the ST holders stay away from three home games in a row.

  30. Receding Hairline

    “These custodians, when united for a common goal and backed by the general supporting populace can demand a change and make it happen.”

    The letter was mostly signed by bloggers not these custodians you speak of. You can start an Arsenal blog too and you don’t need to be “steeped in the traditions of the club” or even a Londoner to do so.

    Arsenal isn’t some holy grail handed down generations to keepers, the custodian of Arsenal FC right now is Stan Kroenke until he sells. No deep meaning there but yes i am the retard

  31. Receding Hairline

    “Else people would take their billions, clear some space and start a football club, not bothering with the existing ones like you don’t have to buy an old brewery to have one.”

    it’s actually much cheaper to buy one than start one

    City was bought for 210m, Chelsea 140m , Wolves 45m, why will anyone spend billions to do what can be done for less and with less hassle. You really need a dictionary. The word Retards and Custodians have meanings you obviously don’t know

  32. Receding Hairline

    “If you were not so retarded you would see that Arsenal is nothing without it’s history, not just on the field, but from the native traditions and values angle.”

    What are these “values”?? And how come this order of the custodians you speak of just spoke up this week?? I guess you just want to feel part of something great and “custodian of Arsenal FC” tickles your fancy

  33. Dissenter

    Michael
    What happened before Kroenke reached the 90% threshold?

    Lets get real here
    Many people walked way with a hefty profit

  34. Gentlebris

    ‘I agree that football is part of our culture. But a custodian is a totally different thing. Custodian means owner or someone with responsibility for something. Arsenal supporters are neither of these things in the case of our club.’

    Buying a football club to make a profit or get a bang out of it or whatever is no responsibility when discussing sport as a culture.

    When you interpret ‘custodians’, on the face, you might be correct, but words and terms usually have other deeper dimensions of interpretation.
    If you didn’t know that, now you know. If you don’t agree, fuck off.

  35. Marc

    I assume the “custodians” mentioned were the former share holders like David Dein?

    The same David Dein who introduced both Kroenke and Usmanov to the club.

    Of course I could be wrong about who exactly these custodians are / were.

  36. Dissenter

    The point of the #WeCareDoYou letter was not to oust Kroenke
    It was to shame them into becoming more responsible owners but it seems that some have their own ideas.

    Unless you have 2 billion lying around your pillow, you don’t a chance…oh wait, a richer billionaire already offered that much money to buy him out and he refused.

    #getreal

  37. into the red

    I see the Emery random word generator has been rebooted with an upgrade. That’s something to look forward to over the season.

  38. Marko

    I wonder when Josh Kroenke says be excited is he actually talking about a couple loans and a LB from Scotland. That would be painfully tone deaf if I’m honest. Hey fanbase relax here’s a net spend of 40 million be excited you cunts

  39. Micheal

    “What happened before Kroenke reached the 90% threshold?”

    The vast percentage of shares in AFC were held by a relatively small number of people. There was very little “free” market in the shares because of the tight ownership and most deals were conducted on the secondary level of the stock market in what is called “matched trades”.

    Ther were hundreds, perhaps thousands of small shareholders who owned a handful of stock. But collectively, these small shareholders owned a very small percentage of the total equity. When Kroenke had bought out the large shareholders like Usmanov, he was fully entitled to make a compulsory purchases order on the outstanding shares – all held by private individuals who were mostly genuine supporters. The shares were virtually worthless unless offered to Kroenke.

    I fully accept that people made money from Kroenke’s deals but it would be wrong to assume that the small shareholders sold up purely for financial gain.

  40. Chitom

    Josh’s most priceless gems :
    “Anyone that knows me knows how passionate I am about Arsenal”
    “But I’m not in this business to make friends, I’m in it to win.”
    “It’s not who you buy, it’s how you buy.”

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    The “ I’m not in this business to make friends, I’m in it to win” line means in billionaire speak “ I don’t give two shits about what fans want, I’m already winning , just look at my portfolio valuation”

  41. Marko

    “Anyone that knows me knows how passionate I am about Arsenal”

    Arrives at Arsenal training in a Rams t-shirt…oh dear Josh there’s holes in your plot

  42. Dissenter

    I have to say that letter was brilliant because it has united the fan base around a common purpose .

    Josh Kroenke writing that the club had developed a “modern infrastructure” following Arsene Wenger’s departure from the club as manager last summer is an outright assault on Wenger’s approach.
    He’s certainly the one in charge, looks like his father has yielded day-to day running of the business to him.

  43. Rocky7

    Ha ha .

    The custodian jnr can’t even spell honour correctly .

    And didn’t anyone tell him that north London has turned lily white since the custodians turned up to buy up the Bank of Arsenal and Arsenal property holdings … and that little inconvenience of a sporting club attached to it ???

    Very sad times for The Arsenal .

    Such a bs response.

    The letter contradicts itself – if you want to win and state you can’t afford to. Sell it to someone that can afford .

    As it’s not about the money. I am sure they will accept what they paid . Cough cough

    Up the gunners.

  44. Guns of SF

    How is Kroenke paying off the 400m debt he took to purchase the remaining shares of Arsenal?

    Anyone know?

  45. Thomas

    This #WeCareDoYou protest is so lame. Only just now are people waking up after years of being spineless and running interference for the specialist in failure for about 15 years. The same people are probably the ones that are renewing their season ticket and buying the new kit. Mugs. You couldn’t write this shit.

  46. Gentlebris

    ‘City was bought for 210m, Chelsea 140m , Wolves 45m, why will anyone spend billions to do what can be done for less and with less hassle. You really need a dictionary. The word Retards and Custodians have meanings you obviously don’t know’

    I know you know your hairline has been running off, but have you checked the brains bro?

    Because you just exposed your argument as silly by reminding me how much other WELL GROUNDED and CULTURED football clubs went for.

    What are people buying?
    The license to be a part of the club and the pride of being the administrators of the cultures and traditions of the club, then from a business point, the commercial loyalty of the fans.

    Without that they would build their own clubs from nothing, it’s cheaper and it would originally belong to them.

    Allow me some rest pls, I have been working!

  47. Dissenter

    Michael
    “I fully accept that people made money from Kroenke’s deals but it would be wrong to assume that the small shareholders sold up purely for financial gain.”

    Thanks for your candor [not candour 🙂 ]
    I think people buy shares partly for financial gain. They keep it because it’s security and eventually when they sell… it’s usually with profit, regardless of the motives for selling.
    Piers Morgan famously wrote last year to celebrate Wenger ‘I bought 10 Arsenal shares for £2k each in 2001, now worth £36k each. Thanks Arsène!”
    That’s 1800% profit.

    I just think there’s a lot of sanctimonious nonsense going on.

  48. Receding Hairline

    “Without that they would build their own clubs from nothing, it’s cheaper and it would originally belong to them.”

    Not cheaper at all

    “Allow me some rest pls, I have been working!”

    As a CUSTODIAN no doubt

  49. Dissenter

    Guns of SF
    “How is Kroenke paying off the 400m debt he took to purchase the remaining shares of Arsenal?”

    Same way businesses acquire money for projects
    Same way Liverpool funded their new stand
    Debt is part of the business fabric unless you’re an oil state or Russian oligarch.
    You know the Getty quote that “If you owe the bank $100, that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem”
    People like Kroenke don’t go without sleep lie regular slops like us worry about our mortgages.

  50. Receding Hairline

    “Because you just exposed your argument as silly by reminding me how much other WELL GROUNDED and CULTURED football clubs went for.”

    Whats with the well grounded and cultured?? Football grounds still witness racist and homophobic chanting, what’s all this nonsense about well grounded and cultured in cap locks no less

    “What are people buying?
    The license to be a part of the club and the pride of being the administrators of the cultures and traditions of the club, then from a business point, the commercial loyalty of the fans.”

    Administrators eh, the man who buys the club is the administrator while you the paying customer the custodian….gotcha

  51. Leftsidesanch

    Steve

    You do know that most of the profits from shirt sales will go to the maker who in this case is Adidas, plus it’s easy for someone who doesn’t attend games to be critical of people who have been attending for years. There are loads who aren’t willing to relinquish season tickets. The waiting list is mad long as it is.

  52. Gentlebris

    ‘One of them just spoke and if the rest think like him no wonder we are in the mess we are in.’

    I’m not even from London, you dumb ass. But I have been educated enough to respect the sanctity of preservation.
    Why do jump around assuming things and selling them as fact?
    I have noticed that in you, and I have also noticed that you would have been on the average if not for your artificial pompousness which renders you common on the smartness front.

  53. Receding Hairline

    “and I have also noticed that you would have been on the average if not for your artificial pompousness which renders you common on the smartness front.”

    You really shouldn’t be discussing smarts, seriously

    “I’m not even from London, you dumb ass. But I have been educated enough to respect the sanctity of preservation.”

    Educated?? Doubt that…

    “Why do jump around assuming things and selling them as fact?
    I have noticed that in you,”

    An SOS to Champagne Charlie ….not very subtle are we??

  54. Graham62

    Josh Josh Josh, are you really that naive?

    If you’re “in it to win it” then why did you trust in Wenger and Gazidis for so long, when it was blatantly obvious they were fudging things up?

    This so called “modern infrastructure” you now promote is all well and good, but how about showing a clear and concise plan that we can all relate to.

    We all know Wenger and Gazidis fucked things up, that was obvious from way back. The thing is, why did you sit back and allow it all to stagnate?

    No disrespect but you understand nothing about our core beliefs and culture, as was proved by your ignorance at wearing a Rams shirt at an Arsenal training camp. You might as well have worn a Spuds shirt.

    I don’t trust you and specifically your Dad, to move us forward. You oversaw regression. You approved financial carnage. You sat back and did nothing and now you expect us to trust in your methods to lead us forward.

    Sorry young man, your way off track.

  55. Gentlebris

    ‘Administrators eh, the man who buys the club is the administrator while you the paying customer the custodian….gotcha’

    Your shallow view of things is beyond compare.
    How old are you anyway?

    Just wondering if you were another kid with access to a computer.

  56. Gelbs

    People saying the club aren’t making any profit from new kits as already been paid up front by Adidas. So where is the money going?? Back to Adidas??

  57. Ishola70

    Looking forward to these exciting signings this window that Josh has promised.

    Ceballos is a start but not strictly a signing.

  58. Dissenter

    Graham62,
    What other choices do you have.
    The guys father owns nearly 100% of the club. It will probably get passed unto him.

    I honestly don’t know what regular people like us can do. Getting angry is not a plan and may be bad for your health.

  59. Leftsidesanch

    Arsenal will receive 60million a year from Adidas for five years and then a relatively small percentage of the revenue the kit manufacturer generates from shirt sales Gelbs.

    As we all know, our owner doesn’t pump his own funds into the club, so we need all the revenue we can attain in order to strengthen the squad so the idea of fans not purchasing a kit is a futile one in my opinion.

  60. Valentin

    Modern infrastructure is nothing if the people who man it are incompetent or greedy.
    On the other hand, you can have a successful club with no structure because the people in charge know what they are doing.

    ManUtd did not have a DoF until Red Nose retired, yet they were still successful. As soon as the people who knew what they were doing left, the club was in a mess.

    Same with Arsenal, since David Dein left (was asked to leave) the club has been on a declining slope. Wenger identified the players and David Dein bought them at a good price and give them reasonable contract.
    Gazidis arrives, took over the contract negotiation and we end up with overpaid mercenaries. People talk about Özil contract, but Xhaka, Mustafi, Lichsteiner were given contract way above their value. Aubameyang and Lacazette have individual bonus clauses in their contract that most sensible clubs are now moving away. This is not the U.S. where players have individual bonus based on their individual stats: rebound, assist, sack, touchdown. Bonus for goal scored, then Aubameyang want to take penalty to garnish his pay despite not being the official penalty taker.

    Gazidis put in place a structure to hide the fact that he did not have a clue. He then hired two mediocre executives who can’t believe their luck.

  61. Leftsidesanch

    Lookman looks to be going to RB in a deal worth up to 22.5million, I’m sure he hasn’t even appeared for Everton up to 30 times. It’s amazing how other clubs can shift off their surplus to requirements with minimal fuss.

  62. Dissenter

    Leftside
    “It’s amazing how other clubs can shift off their surplus to requirements with minimal fuss”
    One way is to get young players out on loan. We keep them in the U-23 squad way too long.
    Lookman went on loan to Leipzig and impressed them enough to come back for him after one year.

  63. Leftsidesanch

    I agree Dis,

    It’s a decent sum for a player largely used as an impact sub during his time in England.

  64. Gentlebris

    ‘So ST holders are custodians?’

    Not if he bought the ticket to just support Arsenal and enjoy the football.

    Yes, if Arsenal fc is a great part of his family tradition. He’s one of the custodians of what Arsenal fc represent; the culture, tradition and history.

    And like I said much earlier, ‘custodian’ as a word can be flipped. Which makes Stan and Josh Kroenke the administrative custodians of the club.

    I’m assuming you must have had some good attainments in education, hence my attempt to offer some clarification, the other fella seems either in high school or studied somewhere flat.

  65. Emiratesstroller

    I have a number of concerns about Josh Kroenke’s response to yesterday’s letter, which has clearly upset his family.

    First he is blaming Arsenal’s current financial situation on the fact we are paying the players Champions League Wages and this is impacting on the club’s finances.

    So you have to ask the question why the Board sanctioned the wage bill of
    1. Ozil
    2. Aubameyang
    3. Mkhitaryan
    4. Kolasinac

    All of these players negotiated top dollar wages AFTER we failed to qualify for
    Champions League. None apart from perhaps Aubameyang merited the wage
    we are paying them.

    Second you analyse the reasons for our failure over the past two years, which are blindingly obvious.

    Whilst I appreciate that the Kroenke may have strong ethical views and a belief in loyalty it has been blindingly obvious for a number of years that the
    club was poorly run and both Gazidis and Wenger were passed their sell by
    date. Decisions should have been taken at least three or four years earlier
    than was the case.

    Finally when you recognise that there are serious weaknesses in the squad
    and team you do not persist down the same route, but take immediate action.

    Arsenal’s priority this summer should have been to focus on rebuilding our defence and the process should have started in May and not now in mid July.

    Also the response from both Crystal Palace and Celtic is not dissimilar to what
    occurred in the past when Wenger was at helm. The club spends an inordinate time negotiating [haggling] over transfer fees and contracts and loses out on too many deals.

    The club should have learned the lesson from its mishandling of the Suarez and Higuain negotiations several years ago.

  66. Ishola70

    “So you have to ask the question why the Board sanctioned the wage bill of
    1. Ozil
    2. Aubameyang
    3. Mkhitaryan
    4. Kolasinac”

    How about Xhaka the plum? Wage increase just last season and contract until 2023. Nightmarish :facepalm:

  67. Dissenter

    Cesc
    “Ornstein has resigned apparently and is joining a website in the US.”

    The BBC probably fired him for crimes against humanity directed at gooners.
    That dude terrorized us non stop. I notice he was departing from proper journalism standards and just making stuff up

  68. Dissenter

    Are WE really paying players Champion’s league wages?

    Don t we have the typical resets for dropping out of the CL?

  69. Cesc Appeal

    Dissenter

    There were a fair few really going after him this summer for not having anything original to say and basically being a bit behind a lot of people.

    It could well be he’s lost his source(s) inside the club or they aren’t communicating anymore and he’s getting out while he still has a reputation.

  70. Gentlebris

    ‘Arsenal are not at a crossroads according to director Josh Kroenke in a passionate response to an open letter from fans criticising his father’s running of the club.’

    That’s how Skysports have it on.

    A passionate letter immediately drew a passionate response, and some smart asses here have been asking ‘what are the plans’ for ever.

    You didn’t have to be a genius to figure these things out.
    Fans always had power, and in this age of internet, unbelievable power.
    Especially in a club with fans all over the world.
    Now,if we don’t stop, Kroenke either pays attention to what we want or sell.

    Pedro!
    where are you at champion?
    I’m proud yours is among the 14 voices that started to do the ‘undoable’ yesterday.

  71. Elmo

    Stroller
    “Also the response from both Crystal Palace and Celtic is not dissimilar to what
    occurred in the past when Wenger was at helm. The club spends an inordinate time negotiating [haggling] over transfer fees and contracts and loses out on too many deals.”

    I think this was the problem with having Sanllehi in charge under these circumstances. He has only ever known Barca (Barca marketing for Nike, then DoF at Barca) and has no experience at all of how a club with a limited budget, who are not the apex predator, have to negotiate and operate to get the best out of a transfer window. At least in Mislintat’s case he was used to a similar situation to our own at Dortmund. As you say, it feels like Sanllehi has been learning on his feet this summer, and making the same mistakes as the previous regime.

    While Edu has no experience in Europe, at Corinthians the status quo would have been losing your best players to Europe every transfer window, so he will understand the need for deep redundancy planning and prioritising youth.

  72. Graham62

    Dissenter

    Sorry, but what are you on about?

    What do you mean, regular people like us? You mean supporters of the club?

    Getting angry? I passed that stage long ago. It’s called fighting for your club.

    Arsenal has been a part of my life for 50 years. Your attitude is similar to Marko’s.

    “Oh boohoo what can we do? We are nothing in the greater scheme of things”.

    What scares you? Is it the fact that Mr Kroenke is a multibillionaire? Is it the fact he owns the club? What is it exactly?

    He doesn’t own me. He doesn’t own you. He also doesn’t own the many thousands of supporters who have pumped their energies and monies into the club over the years.

    An owner is in it for one thing and one thing alone. Make money from his investment. If he sees or feels that things are turning ugly he will sit up and take notice.

    The fact that the clubs supporters(investors) are speaking out in unison will concern him, I can guarantee you of that.

    Hiding away, accepting the status quo and backing away from confrontation is why AFC find themselves in this predicament.

    Show a bit of fight and put your club first.

  73. Leedsgunner

    Love it when a billionaire’s son tries to convince ordinary hard working Gooners that he too understands what it is like to be one of the common people.

    Er…. do you think he had trouble getting a flight in and out of Baku in May?

    Do you reckon he even wrote one word? How much do you think they paid their PR people to write that for them?

  74. Batistuta

    Doesn’t matter who’s been doing the negotiations this summer, they’ve been shit at it this far if we’re being honest

  75. Batistuta

    Graham

    Careful now, you’d soon get folks asking you what effect the petition garnered or those who keep asking what the “plan” with regards getting the Kroenke’s to be better owners

  76. Thomas

    Cesc AppealJuly 16, 2019 19:00:01
    Ornstein has resigned apparently and is joining a website in the US.

    ___

    Thank God. That guy is a complete fraud.

  77. Nelson

    Josh is again making these general statements. He is asking the fans to be patient. On July 25, we have to demand target dates and road map to recovery. How much should the club achieve after the first year, second year and so on. Everyone within the club, including the board should be held responsible.

    The fans are not satisfied that Stan doesn’t care much about the club. Josh didn’t address that at all. He should at least commit himself to spend time to review how the board is doing. He should provide Q & A meeting with the fans.

  78. Elmo

    Marc

    Right. But Sven was sending through to Sanllehi realistic prospects that he knew were available and could be closed quickly (Torreira, Sokratis, Guendouzi, Lichtsteiner).

    I never thought Zaha was realistic for us this summer because he was too integral to Palace to sell for anything less than a king’s ransom, and it seems with Celtic likely wanting £35m+ for Tierney (based on Lennon’s comments) that we simply had no clue of what the selling club’s position was.

  79. Dissenter

    Arsenal fans put up a very good petition asking for more responsible ownership.
    Kroenke’s heir issues a standard PR response that had a hint of frustration.

    So what next now?
    What’s the plan? 🙂 🙂 🙂

  80. Dissenter

    That letter was constructive and very well worded.
    Hopefully we engage the apparent heir in a cordial manner.
    The Kroenkes ought to done this listening mode a long time ago. They have to see fans as partners not just mere consumers of a commodity.

  81. Unai

    Just confirms were in limbo until contracts of Ozil, Miki, Mustafi and other dead weight top earners expire or someone does a madness and offers to match the valuation and salary.

    The script was written for this when Wenger tried to save himself and tied us to this crap.

    Pretty clear Stans not putting any coin in or selling out so we need to put some pressure in these players too, give them a reason to want to leave.

  82. Guns of SF

    Face the fire Jr. Meet with the supporters groups right away. Set up public meetings with them. Invite all to attend.
    Come clean… no more bullshitting around. Attend more than half the games this season… show that we are more than collateral for debt

  83. Henry Root

    Guns of SF
    As Kroenke owns the club outright the board is not accountable to the supporters. Apart from Kroenke it is an old, English board chaired by a banker Sir Chips Keswick, 84 year old Ken Fruar who has worked for Arsenal all his life and is a very good man, Lord Harris of Peckham , the carpet heir and one of tge Carrs a family tgat have long involvement with the club.
    Their oversight of our affairs leaves a huge amount to be desired

  84. Unai

    Guns, not to call you out but what would they achieve?

    As far as I can see Stan and co can do three things.

    1. Restructure, this is a long term approach and has already started.

    2 . Invest or clear debts (not happening)

    3. See to another investor (not happening and no guarantee they will clear debts either)

    One thing that I wonder, even if say Stan put £100m in for transfers what’s our position on wage increases and ffp?

    Seems were stuck until we clear the daft contracts.

  85. Guns of SF

    Henry those names sounds so elitist makes me cringe
    what do these old timers know about running a modern day club?

    With these oldies sitting back, no one will challeenge Kroenke or talk to him.

    I hope Jr steps up. Make Arsenal his project… just move to London during the season

  86. Dissenter

    Unai
    My thoughts are in sync with yours
    This situation can only be undone with time. Until we clear out the hideous contracts, there no major progress.
    All we can do is keep doing a boxing clinch to stay with the top clubs. It’s going to be slow progress unless we want to throw big money at it.

  87. Gentlebris

    ‘They have to see fans as partners not just mere consumers of a commodity.’

    We would be getting the king size bed if we were treated half as good as commodity consumers.
    That would have meant Kroenke thinks about what we want, when we want it and how we want it.
    Imagine that!

  88. Unai

    Agreed Dissenter and this situation is compounded by the requirement to sell before we buy, token payments for the likes of Kos and Mustafi still need us to spend £25-30m on each replacement.

    Say we take £10m for Mustafi and spend £30 on a replacement that’s still £20m from our £45m plus a more expensive contract to contend with. We can still only realistically buy 2 players and these have to replace the guys on the way out (if we hypothetically sell 2) so selling doesn’t really help either.

    The only thing we can ask of Stan is he puts money in and does it in a way that helps with FFP, other than that we just have to wait it out and hope the current regime dont make the same mistakes as the previous regime.

    Such a depressing mess.

    On a personal note, at least Lewis is smashing F1 again…. keeps me sane.

  89. CG

    The Final Piece of the Jigsaw…..?

    Raul/Edu/Emery/Vinny

    Feeble.
    Insipid.
    Uninspiring.

    Remember The Old CG Adage.

    If you pick Loosers- you always Loose.

    If you pick Winners- you always Win.

    We wont be winning….. for a while with this Lot…..

    New Jigsaw piece required November…… T.T.

  90. James.wood

    Ken Friar takes a salary.
    The other old boys in the balcony take expenses
    that includes the 2 Krankies of about €25k a year.
    Chips and Harris are old very rich men And im afraid
    The problems that have been building up for years have
    passed them by.

  91. CG

    Wenger back at The Arsenal or stick with this clown…?

    No Brainer….

    Once is the Best manager we have ever had
    The other is the Worse manager we have ever had..

    As the weeks go by- Wenger did a better job than many people have realised.

    He was the adhesive.

    We are only going one way, from now on…

  92. Lari03

    Josh became the man in charge 18 months ago and he sanctioned Wenger’s departure from all indications. As someone rightly inferred above.

    I feel we could achieve a lot if we sustain a united fandom. Wenger was a very divisive influence and now there’s no space for individuals like him anymore.

    Arguments about our structure and copying other clubs are pointless. We can begin to challenge in a few years as long as we strive to improve.

    The Kroenkes hold and manage the business and and ownership of Arsenal, but the history and mementos will always belong to the fans and no business can survive without customers, the fans are the first line of customers. Kroenke needs the fans, that is why Josh had to speak up.

    The fans are the custodians of the Arsenal heritage from London to Durban, San Francisco to Hong Kong. The Kroenkes manage the club and the finances, but they only do so by law, fans live and love the club. Only fans shed tears when the club loses, no owner does that.

    Gooners for life, and the whole of London will be red. Not just North London, I live for that hope and I have seen Arsenal do it in Highbury. We just need to bring the glory days to the Emirates.

    I know it’s the hope that kills, but what else do we have as fans, asides from hope?

  93. Unai

    Thanks CG, interesting take.

    I’m doing a study on flat earthers and scientologists, would you be interested in contributing?

  94. James.wood

    I’m not sure Wenger would be able to work with say Edu
    or Freddie.
    He’s always done it all himself.
    If he could play the Dien role and let the above play
    The selections.

  95. HillWood

    The letter to Stan was discussed on Talk Sport this morning
    So at least it’s out in the public domain and Stan might even hear about the unrest with ownership

  96. CG

    Un

    Being the most successful chap on here, fortunately , I have never needed a credit card in my life.

    I choose Winners
    I avoid Loosers at all costs. ( although I do interact with Walt occasionally)

    Loosers cost you money!
    As KSE will find out.. …..

  97. Unai

    Steady CG, your showing an intelligence above your persona, people will work you out.

    Fair play btw, I genuinely thought you were mentally ill.

  98. TheLegendaryDB10

    Graham62July 16, 2019    18:14:22

    EmiratesstrollerJuly 16, 2019    18:53:37

    LeedsgunnerJuly 16, 2019    19:52:30

    Great posts from all of you.

    That statement dispairs me as he doesn’t say anything new to us. What’s worst he tries to say that we should trust the new team as they’ll sort it out. Well so far zilch.

    Can Edu save us??? Well we’ll have to see how much Raul is ready to empower him to do what is necessary.

    But what really pisses me off is his statement about having a CL wage bill but that we are in the EL. It reeks of ignoring the fact that they are ultimately responsible for this situation. They left 2 incompetents, AW and Gazidis, run the club and now expect us to dig ourselves out of our own hole with out any help??

    It just shows how detached they are from our current situation. They are the ones who put the club in this mess, they should find a way of digging us out of it. But they won’t. They are absolutely commited in letting us do with what we have without acknowledging that they just sat back and allowed the club to end up in our current predicament.

    If there is to be any Kroenke Out protests, we should wait at least until the end of the TW…. see what Raul and co. can do.

    Who knows, this open letter may light a fire under all of their arses. If not, I say it’s open season on all of them.

  99. CG

    Leg Db10

    “”””Can Edu save us??”””

    No.
    No track Record
    No European Experience
    No pedigree
    No Ambition- (be a No.1 not a Teck Deck)
    No Chance……
    Not Here…..
    And Not with Raul on his Shoulder…..

    T.H

  100. Graham62

    CG

    The course of most of our woes back at Arsenal?

    Not in a million years.

    Sorry CG but you’re the only one who wants that.

  101. CG

    Graham

    We have the worst coach in the Prem

    (Its nothing to do with Wenger.)

    If Wenger was as bad as some folk make out, surely we need the BEST coach we can get to clear it up….. not the worse.

    It’s only exacerbating problems.

  102. Minden Raider

    Hi folks. Quite simple really – dont go to The Emirates, dont buy merchandise especially shirts, dont take Sky Sports. Do you think Addidas would be happy. Hard to do I know but must be done to force the cunt out.

  103. TheLegendaryDB10

    Guns of SF

    You talk of sauce… But the only sauce they’re happy with is to have us in the top 4/back in the CL. I’ve always been convinced that that is their only remit.

    Why do you think AW and Gazidis were kept on as long as they were when they were in the top 4 and only kicked once out of it after 2 years?

    That’s why I want Kroenke out. We need some sauce who wants to push us beyond that. And I am not seeing this at the moment.

  104. CG

    Neil Lennon on Tierney

    “”””is one of these sort of ONGOING conditions that causes discomfort and he was in a lot of discomfort towards the end of last season, to the point where he was STRUGGLING to out of bed.”””

    Cost £25, 000 000 million.
    Budget £45 000 000 million

    Death Wish Club.

  105. TheLegendaryDB10

    And a heads up on the petition:

    93,300+ Gooners have now signed it!

    Keep it up fellow Gooners!!!

    This must be the biggest show of unity we have shown online since, well ever. We really need to have this translated to the Ems somehow. For now this is a really good fire that has been lit up under their arses. They fuck up the TW, this season Can really end up being rough.

  106. Valentin

    Domagoj Bradaric the U21 Croat left back is available for 15 millions. Why not make an offer instead of focusing on a player the club is only willing at an inflated price way above its value for us.

  107. Leedsgunner

    Rereading the letter from Josh Kronke reminded me of Wenger’s excuses… except unlike Wenger, Kronke actually holds the purse strings. Wenger was just an employee the Kronke are owners… not custodians, owners.

    If they truly felt they were custodians they wouldn’t have tolerated the utter mess Wenger and Gazidas were concocting with their full confidence and cooperation for soooooo long.

    They signed all the cheques. It’s rich in the extreme to blame the salary structure for our lethargy when they approved all the spending in the first place.

  108. CG

    If you gave me 2 weeks.

    I would find a better, fitter, more robust left back than this Tierney Chap and have change to improve elsewhere.

    AFC are totally besotted by him it seems.
    (Has to be Clown led.)

    Laughably- Emery – according to earlier reports – intends to utilize him in a back 3..

    You cant make this stuff up.

    Back 3. The lad cant even get out the Bed.

    Let the lad get fit and firing.
    Enquire back in Jan.

    Keep it simple

  109. Pierre

    Watching the pre season friendly against Colorado earlier and the reception our offensive players received from the supporters when they came on late in the game , it made me realise what a miserable bunch of know nothing’s we have on Le Grove.

    The non stop whinging about our players and the negativity shown towards them makes you wonder why they bother supporting the club.

    We have real quality offensively in Aubamayang,Lacazette, Ozil and Mhkitaryan and it is with regret that we will never see those 4 excellent players reach their full potential at Arsenal due to having a manager who doesn’t appreciate quality.

    one can only Imagine the performances and style of football that pep , klopp or pochettino would get out of such a talented bunch of footballers.I

    last season , all Emery needed to do was concentrate on setting the team up better defensively….maybe he has learnt his lesson for the coming season but somehow I think it may be more of the same .