DON’T LET IT AGITATE YOU.
Ivan G has STILL not come out to deny he’s Milan bound. Can you believe this guy?
Our old CEO, Arsene Wenger, left literally 3 months ago, Ivan gets his chance to choose the tint of the kitchen lampshades, and he’s fucking it trying to either get a pay bump… or to go to Milan.
IVAN THE LAST LAUGH WAS TO SUCCEED HERE, NOT BIN OFF A NEW PROJECT 3 MONTHS IN!
It sounds like his contract with AFC ends in September, it’s a crude way to negotiate more money, and hopefully that’s what it is. I really hate the idea that a new CEO has to work with and defend Ivan’s new plan… mainly because there’s a chance it could go badly wrong and you need a steady hand there willing to go to war for the new team.
The thing with new CEOs is they’re all into that 90-day plan shit. The new person will want to make an impression, they’ll need to make changes to show their teeth, and it could be very disruptive. At best it unsettles new people trying to concentrate on their job, at worst there will be actual disruption.
I will state again, this would be epically bad leadership and a totally bizarre decision.
On the flip side, for Ivan, coming into Milan in September gives him 3 months to see what a shit show the place is and start implementing changes in the Jan window. It’s logical to move in the quiet period.
Again though, why would you do it after being a bitch for 10 years?
Why would you do it to Le Grove after it backed you, despite people saying I was getting bribed?
Fucking disgraceful.
Aaron Ramsey has under 20 days left until the transfer window slams shut and he’s this seasons Alexis.
Don’t make us hate you.
My hope is we’re either giving him what he wants, or we’re shifting him on and preparing a mega move for Kovacic of Madrid.
Odd that there are no clubs linked to him. Reality for him is he’ll struggle to get £200k a week anywhere in Europe. The biggest potential payout he’ll get is with us, or if he leaves on a free next year. We cannot let that happen. Some money is better than a year of him protecting his body and playing with the proverbial handbrake on.
Tax cheat, Uli Hoeness ripped into Mesut Ozil in a quite astonishing attack.
“I’m glad this nightmare is over,”
“He’s been playing crap for years.
“The last tackle he won was before the 2014 World Cup. And now he is hiding himself and his poor performances behind this photo.
“His 35 million [social media] followers, that of course do not actually exist in the real world, ensure that Ozil has played exceptionally when he successfully finds his man with a square ball.”
“Whenever we played against Arsenal, we played over him, because we know he’s the weak point”
… was it over? No way, Mesut’s agent fired back with a ballistic missile.
“The comments of Mr Hoeness miss the point completely, as they have absolutely nothing to do with football. He is trying to divert attention away from the real issue, the issue of racism and discrimination in Germany, which is resurging once again within everyday German society.
“As Mesut said in his statement, he accepts reasonable and fair criticism of his football, and deals with that as part of the job. However, Mr Hoeness cannot even provide any actual evidence to back up his foolish statements that are clearly exaggerated. In this case, the stats are clear. Twenty-three goals, 40 assists – which is a German record – and five-time German player of the year – three of which come after 2014.
“Mr Hoeness, we will not waste any more time or energy talking about a subject clearly you know nothing about. Not only are you a disgrace to yourself, but also and more importantly a shame to Bayern Munich and the people of Germany.”
This whole conversation is basically what Arsenal fans have been doing for 5 years. It’s pretty amusing.
‘Ozil doesn’t tackle!’
‘HE MADE 200 PASSES IN 3 MINUTES’
‘He makes Arsenal weak!’
‘HE WON THE GERMAN PLAYER OF THE YEAR 9 TIMES’
‘He hides!’
‘LOOK AT THIS COMP OF HIM THAT PROVES EVERYTHING’
There are many that think his agent is fantastic (Arsenal fans), I’m not so sure. I’d argue that the Donald Trump approach to reputation restoration is not the smartest. It might feel cathartic in the moment, but the average Joe just sees a guy deflecting and not owning a mistake and shite World Cup. What exactly is the objective of this press? I can’t see it as anything outside disruption and revenge.
If I were advising him, I’d have suggested a Raheem Sterling like approach to restoring trust and love. Get people close to him to defend his honour in the media, be photographed outside refugee school you’re sponsoring to help integrate kids into Germany and do some thoughtful interviews that rehumanize you with the populace (when you’re a ghost in media, it’s very easy to demonise your character).
I’d also show some remorse for the picture. You can ‘what about’ it until the cows come home, sharp reality is the average Joe sees you standing tall with an abhorrent foreign leader just before a World Cup. That’s harsh imagery to erase, even if Merkel did just lift Turkish sanctions.
Anyway, that’s me done.
CA
How about the reason why the chances that ozil were not converted was because we have had crap strikers for the last 5 years years…
Pierre
Those other players were playing with the same people?
Ozil is now crying out for a manager that can motivate him. The long haired strange manager at Germany couldn’t do it, Wenger just motivated on the edges…(fckin useless twonk), so….. Ozil is probably desperate for some proper robust motivation. Ozil has skill to burn….a good man-manager could get ozil to take the prem by storm.
Yeah I think ozil played like a sack of surly shit recently…but no doubting his skill set
Like I said, I’m not being incendiary, but that is an interesting stat and I think it may speak to the types of chances being created.
We all know Ozil likes to drift and then chip a cross into the box, if every time an Arsenal player manages to get something on one in any fashion to whatever level of quality and get it toward goal that chance created stat potentially becomes a bit misleading, do you think?
Victorious
“Ozil is FIRST an attacking midfielder”
Not anymore. Football has passed that level. One upon a time, strikers known as foxes in the box were all the rave but now they are extinct.
The notion of a midfielder being only good is one area belongs to the past.
You can’t play Ozil in midfield in a 4-3-3, 3-4-3, or a 4-4-2.
Having a midfielder that can’t defend is a luxury you can’t afford in today’s game.
Azed
“the others contribute much more defensively”Prick…
That’s how you debate Pierre.
Anything other than “chances created” and you resort to insults. You’re a peach.
There must be a nerd in the stand watching Ozil’s every move hence the meaningless stats.
Fans can assess good play in real time not 2 hours after a game when all the meaningless stats are compiled.
A chance created is just a pass that leads to a shot on goal, right?
Or a cross that meets no one. It’s so vague and pointless it’s all he’s got really. Scores fuck all and his assists are drying up
“It is incredibly stupid to even think you have an argument against the stats that I have presented.”
Dimitri Payet, Iago Falque and Jonathan Viera show that the chance created stat is simply pointless.
The Ozil lovers just need to pipe down.
He;’s the type of player who will always split opinions and pit close friends against each other.
Don’t try to force him down our throats. We all know we are stuck with him till he leaves for Fenerbahçe in 2021.
The only reason I am putting up these stats is because marko thinks he is being clever asking for stats and belittling his assist and chance created stats as you have. Again still haven’t given me his big chances created which I’d imagine are way down. He had nearly as many chances created as Pascal Gross last season again showing its a deceptive stat. His actual assists stats are down the last two seasons 9 and 8 last season which should again question these chances created. How about the reason why the chances that ozil were not converted was because… Read more »
@CA –
“Huge mistake not bringing Fabregas back”
It really was cut your nose off to spite your face stuff..
I would take
Cesc — Xhaka
—- Santi —
Over
Ramsey — Xhaka
—– Ozil —–
Marko
Can it be a cross that no Arsenal players gets?
That really does undermine it totally then.
We are already slating our team, when we have not even seen them play a competitive game? If sterling could come good under pep, why do u think our average players can’t come good. Let’s give the team a chance.
Sorry to say marko but azed was being a bit of a Prick by saying the others are better defensively…… That goes without saying.
Pierre
My bad, here was I thinking that defending was part of the game and not some dark arts only performed by lesser humans.
The chance created stat is paper thin if that is true because that is purely quantitative and not qualitative in terms of assessing the quality of the chances created which can be evidenced by the conversion stat Gambon posted.
Marko
“Had Lacazette and Aubameyang last season and got 8 assists”
Now you are being a bit of a Prick.
As you well know, ozil was “on holiday for the 2nd half of the season and lacazette was injured for a large part of the first half of the season so basically he was creating his 80 chances before feb for giroud, welbeck and walcott…. Say no more.
It seems Ozil.can play poorly then play his free get out of jail stats card whenever he is maligned for being the shit player he undoubtedly is.
The argument that it’s not his fault the strikers are shite is stupid too considering that earlier you were bringing up all his chances created shite and assists and he was working with worse strikers in his early days. So the chances created have probably always stayed the same but the quality of them nose dived hence the assists suffering
Dissenter
Whilst I agree with your comment about the Ozil lovers needing to stop forcing him down everyone’s throat it also plays the other way. At the moment I’m keeping an open mind about all of our players under the new management. Having people repeatedly slag off individual players is just as boring.
Until we see the team play (and I don’t mean half a friendly) and how Emery deals with players not pulling their weight, taking responsibility or following instructions shouldn’t we hold on passing judgement?
Anyone else figure Welbeck is hiding behind his couch until the transfer window is shut hoping everyone at Arsenal forgets about him?!
CA
“Marko
Can it be a cross that no Arsenal players gets?That really does undermine it totally then.”
You don’t normally come across as stupid but to think that any cross into the box is classed as a chance created puts you in the same bracket as dimmer and dimmer.
Red
Apart from Ospina, who was the last Arsenal player you actually thought wasn’t absolute dogshit?
Pierre
You still haven’t answered the poor conversion rate of chances created?
Bad STs is a piss poor argument because his conversion rate is poor against other Arsenal players playing in the same team.
So why do you think it is?
You’re turning Ozil into Walcott a little bit.
Put it this way marko… When ozil played with a quality striker christiano ronaldo he was assisting for fun because ronaldo was making superb runs and ozil used to put it on a plate for him so You’re not trying to tell me that the quality of striker he plays with would make no difference to percentage being higher
RT
You are 100% correct.
A real fan does not provide statistical analysis to justify his connection to a club.
I came to the conclusion long ago, that some posters on here are only out to prove themselves to others and satisfy their insatiable thirst for self gratification.
Each to their own.
Pierre
Most of the league matches in Spain are over before they’ve began for Barca and Madrid. The echo from that hole is becoming deafening.
Sorry to say marko but azed was being a bit of a Prick by saying the others are better defensively…… That goes without saying.
He’s a prick for stating a fact?
Had Lacazette and Aubameyang last season and got 8 assists”Now you are being a bit of a Prick.
Now I’m a prick for stating a fact.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/arsenal/story/3383058/alexandre-lacazette-injury-a-massive-blow-for-arsenal-arsene-wenger
6 weeks not the beginning of the season. His injury coincided with Aubameyang signing pretty much
Put it this way Pierre…… Henry used to score and assist in double digits. Messi assists and scores in double digits. Cesc worked with Adebayor and Bendtner, didn’t affect his numbers.
Are you saying Ozil can’t make players better?
You don’t normally come across as stupid but to think that any cross into the box is classed as a chance created puts you in the same bracket as dimmer and dimme
So define chances created. Where is his big chances created? It’s such a vague stat and you know it
It shows how weak and lightweight Ozil is without a Ronaldo by his side.
A chance created as I understand is a pass that leads to an attempt on goal.
That is incredibly broad and means all manner of chances from great to utter shit can be read as a chance created.
If I pass to someone from way out and he decides to hit one toward goal that would log as a chance created for me.
That’s how I read the definition.
Wenker-wanger
Point taken.
One small thing, car drivers generally don’t wear Lycra and for the most part, pay road tax.
90% of cyclists would also fail their cycling proficiency test.
You’re not trying to tell me that the quality of striker he plays with would make no difference to percentage being higher
Right so you brought up earlier all his stats from when he joined and he played with the same or worse strikers than he has the last 2/3 years where his input has dramatically gotten worse. At this stage in the argument it’s you unwilling to admit he’s played poorly or at least gotten worse the last few years
Ta Ta… It’s like talking to a bunch of imbeciles..
People should ignore all this stats and assists bollox
The only thing that matters is the score at the end of the match
A chance created as I understand is a pass that leads to an attempt on goal.
I think it’s even broader if I’m honest. Even if you look back at the Korea game and this great performance and 7 chances he created I think one of them was actually a pass to Kimmich over the top who then proceeded to cross and that counted. It’s so vague I think free kicks corners and probably even just passes in the final third count
Ta Ta… It’s like talking to a bunch of imbeciles
Hardly ever going to win a discussion that way little P. So still haven’t addressed big chances created and now how his coversion percentage is lower than Iwobi and Ramsey etc
Realistically how much would it take for Barca to sell Dembele ?
Loan then buy ?
Rspca I’d imagine something in the region of a 10 million loan at least
“A real fan does not provide statistical analysis to justify his connection to a club.I came to the conclusion long ago, that some posters on here are only out to prove themselves to others and satisfy their insatiable thirst for self gratification.”
You’re so heroic in your support, Mike.
Liverpool v City tomorrow as well, good day of football
Marko
That ain’t gonna happen… he still has 4 years left of his contract..
The definition of Chances Created is just Assists + Key Passes.
Key Passes is any pass that leads to a shot (any shot, doesn’t have to be on goal), whether successful or not.
Saw this quote, couldn’t make this up:
“Swansea’s Mark Gower is a perfect example of a player highlighted by the chances created statistic.”
It’s just from a quote from a random blog post that analyzes the actual worth of the “Chance Created” statistic, so I don’t take it to mean much but still funny considering the debate going on.
If you’re a striker all that matters is goals scored. A number 10 assists. A defender successful tackles and interceptions. A goalkeeper your save ratio to shots faced and clean sheets. That’s it because those things point to a certain type of quality player
Your Comment Here
So a striker gets a hat trick but the team loses and everyone is happy?
So a striker gets a hat trick but the team loses and everyone is happy?
He played well and done all he could do
I really think this is the season that the premier league became the best league in the world.
The sheer amount of talent coming in is amazing.
Looking forward to a great season of footie.
Best managers too dissenter
Marko
It’s a team sport
Aaron Ramsey speaking about his contract situation
“‘But we have to come to an agreement, that’s something that my agent and the club are discussing to try to get something done.’
Asked how soon his situation will be resolved, Ramsey replied: ‘I’m not sure exactly. ‘It’s taking a bit of time so far, so we’ll have to wait and see.’
https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/25/aaron-ramsey-issues-update-new-arsenal-contract-talks-7758011/?ito=cbshare
Pierre the Ramsey-phobe will be seething at this news.
He dislikes Ramsey…so he dislikes Arsenal.
Lol…
Pierre gets co fronted with stats and disappears. What a cunt.
Probably sifting through 10 years of Opra data to find ANYTHING that he can use to defend lazy Mesut.
One things for sure….Pierre is better at defending than lazy Mesut.
Gambon
That conversion of chances created stat you posted earlier was really interesting, do you think it speaks to the quality of chances created?
Thierry Henry dumped Sky, only to be ditched by Aston Villa? Hilarious
Ivan not going anywhere?
Seems AC Milan have gotten a candidate already in the person of Leonardo
Cesc Appeal
Quite possibly.
It adds a qualitative layer to the chances created issue.
I don’t think some realise just how average Ozil has been since Christmas 2015.
Take the first half of the 15/16 season away and he hasn’t really performed since he joined Arsenal.
Gambon You know where I stand on Ozil. That stat though really made the chances created stat paper thin, its purely quantitative and your stat added a crucial element of assessing the quality of the chances created. I noticed every single poster arguing in support of Ozil ignored that stat, quite a difficult one to explain away. The excuse that he had s**t STs was really poor considering the stat was about Arsenal players in the same team at the same time. What do you think of the Bailey rumours? I want this to be true, I think Bailey is… Read more »
Cesc
Like Bailey. Liked Malcom as well.
Across the Arsenal internet pretty much everyone is saying we need a wide player….apart from the ‘cheerleaders’ that say we have the best squad in world history.
Dembele would be my first choice, followed by Martial….then Bailey.
Have to say though, I don’t think we will be buying one.
Bailey would be amazing but I’ll believe it when I see it.
Let’s just all agree we are stuck with Ozil. Hopefully he has that 10 goal 15 assist year someone earlier mentioned as our hope for him. Then we can sell him somewhere for a profit and move in.
“One things for sure….Pierre is better at defending than lazy Mesut.”
Lol, occasionally we get an ironic gem of a quote.
BTW, I am pretty much in camp MKB (Mesut knows best), but this is just great.
Marko
Pep will disagree about players in their positions having very narrowly defined roles.
Maybe Leonardo is just a back up to Gazidis or just another candidate. The fact that Gazidis is considering the Milan job at an early time of rebuilding should tell Arsenal that Gazidis is not fully committed and that should be enough reason to find a new CEO who really is committed to the long term of the new Arsenal era. As Michael 24 aptly put it Gazidis leaving would be the final part of the Wenger ear ‘Fumigation’. Milan is welcome to Gazidis as for 9 out of 10 years with Arsenal Gazidis has been weak, disingenuous and a… Read more »
CaliGooner
“Let’s just all agree we are stuck with Ozil. Hopefully he has that 10 goal 15 assist year someone earlier mentioned as our hope for him. Then we can sell him somewhere for a profit and move in.”
Looking at that in financial terms, that is = to GBP £728,000 per 25 assist/goals.
Tony
For this season that would do just fine.
Cali
Maybe you live too close to Sinsemilla land in the Napa Valley
Makes no financial sense to me.
Tony
Is it your money? Why are you worried about Stan’s money? He had plenty. He should spend more. This is known.
JM is losing it over Martial leaving the US tour to be home with his wife when she gives birth. It’s been reported that JM wants Martial sold.
Couldn’t we offer Ramsey and cash for Martial?
For instance if n zonzi and Bailey are available as we know they are. They would greatly improve our team. Their cost is a drop in the bucket for Stan. Arsenal being more successful and high profile is better for his bottom line. Why wouldn’t we be buying these players? Makes all the sense in the world. But maybe that’s just me.
Cali
That’s the whole point we don’t have enough money and are wasting what we have.
We could afford at least 2 young elite potential players on what we pay Ozil.
The point of this season is to get back in champions league so we can buy big players. You don’t get back in champys by buying two young potential players.
‘Their cost is a drop in the bucket for Stan. Arsenal being more successful and high profile is better for his bottom line. Why wouldn’t we be buying these players? Makes all the sense in the world. But maybe that’s just me.’
And there lies the Gazidis problem, he’s not good enough to convince Stan of this.
https://youtu.be/ilKDfe9yYms
Maybe kroenke the younger will get a true arsenal bug up his ass and open the flood gates. About a .001 percent chance of that happening but we have to hope.
I don’t think kroenke the younger coming to London and Gazidis all of a sudden going to Milan aren’t related.
Mbappe (2 years ago when Wenger looked at him), Bailey, Lemar and many others.
Sven is the guy who is supposed to be finding these gems; it’s why we hired him.
Stan is never going to foot the bill for ‘Big’ players, hence the £70 million we had to rebuild the team.
We did offer 90 million for lemar. That’s so serious cash. Of course it was botched. But that’s what gives me hope right now for Dembele. I would think there is a statement to be made to support Ivan Sven and emery and a big purchase like that would do it.
Again slim to none but until the season starts this is what silly season does to us.
‘I don’t think kroenke the younger coming to London and Gazidis all of a sudden going to Milan aren’t related.’
I thought that at first but as a poster earlier posted Gazidis’s neighbour is one of the Singers who own the hedge fund that owns Milan. Their kids go to the same school the posted stated.
That would make more sense.
Mbappe was the one that Wenger had to do whatever to make happen. No matter what we would have spent there is no way you aren’t making a profit in 4-5 years selling him to Real or PSG.
If Wenger signed mbappe he’d still be here.
le grove
the place where people are firstly an online football manager and secondly an Arsenal fan…
If your kids going to the same school somehow trumps ten years of waiting to be the man. Then becoming the man and seemingly making all the right moves. Only to suddenly after three months of laying the groundwork for a new era moving on because you’re a friend of a part owner of a hedge fund that owns a very famous team in Milan and your kids go to school together. But wait if you move to Milan those kids won’t go to school together. If this is the basis of decisions then so long Ivan.
Wenger would have stunted Mbappe’s progress by playing him in goal.
We all live in hope, Cali. Not that it does us much good.
To all LGs
Anyway, should be a good game tonight and finally in my neck of the woods with only one hour time difference.
Red
lol
gonsterous
July 26, 2018 06:48:09
Le Grove
A place where people like you make meaningless and stupid comments.
Tony
always someone who’s triggered.. you are worse than the teenagers these days…
gonsterous
TonyD is just young and angsty at heart
Yea. I was pretty amused at Marko and CA thinking a cross misses everyone then it’s a chance created. Also that Ozil pass to Kimmich who then crossed was a chance created for Ozil. Fuck me. lol
Anyone else figure Welbeck is hiding behind his couch until the transfer window is shut hoping everyone at Arsenal forgets about him?!”
He must be a hard worker in ractice that shows a lot of energy because that’s the only reason he could possibly be kept. His skills as a footballer are severely lacking.
Unintentional assists are counted as assists.
Loftus Cheek’s shot which hit Kane is deemed an assist.
Pitbull Intelligent reasoning was never a strong point of yours, but then you don’t have any strong points, do you? Not surprised to see you as Pierre’s bum boy you’re supporting his meaningless stats. Try explaining Gambon’s stat that makes far more sense. Problem is you need to have had an education to understand that stat and more importantly you’d need to have intelligence in the first place. Of which you have neither; just knuckle dragging belligerence and a penchant for insults and abuse is about your best level. What’s the gutter like this morning? Same as every day? Shame… Read more »
TonyD
I am going to watch today’s match LIVE! Awesome.
You really see from reading the comments how Wenger was allowed to stick around for so long with the mouth-breathers we have in here.
Marko and gambon (dimmer and dimmer)
” his coversion percentage is lower than Iwobi and Ramsey etc”
Fair enough..dimmer and dimmer think Iwobi and Ramsey are both much better at creating chances than ozil… and Ces appeal is totally confused as to what constitutes a chance.. Poor thing was tying himself in knots last night..
Crying about Wenger again are we? You should have reported that uncle that did things to you. You wouldn’t be bitter and you’d be free.”
Try and breath through your nose.
Pitbull – if your this confrontational and aggressive in real life I’d be surprised. I can give you the address to my local boxing gym and you can direct your anger on the pads. Chill out.
To the normal ones here – new post by the way.
Pierre
I know exactly what a chance created is, thanks.
You still haven’t answered, in fact none of you have the question about the poor conversion of chances created stat?
Why do you think that is?
It makes your entire defence look a bit weak to be honest if more of Iwobi and Ramsey’s chances are finished.
Hey?