RAGE AGAINST THE TRANSFER MACHINE

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Arsenal fans are absolutely raging on a 24/7 cycle at the moment. Matt on the podcast told me he thinks we’re nearing New York Knicks levels of consistent disappointment in the way things go for our club. I could not disagree.

Old Le Grove would double down and join the thomas party. New Le Grove needs some light this summer. So I’m going on the counter here.

First thing we need to remember: Nothing has happened yet.

Emi Buendia rumours are simply rumours. Remember, the world of ‘transfer gossip’ is now big business if you want to be famous for something utterly pointless.

‘Oh, what I’ve heard is Edu wore the wrong shirt on the zoom’

‘Arsenal were interested, but slow’

‘Arsenal offered up a payment structure unbefitting of their prestige’

‘There wasn’t a good plan from Arteta’

Come on people, all of these things can’t be true, so what’s the point in raging?

Here’s what happens with transfer rumour merchants.

One person says ‘ARSENAL TO BID FOR BUENDIA’

Others hopeful ITKs don’t want to miss out so will support the rumour with blend of ‘hearing the same’ and ‘they’ve scouted him’ or the ultimate copout ‘they like the player.’

This is an echo chamber used to protect reps, but it’s not grounded in reality, because most people don’t really have good sources on transfer deals.

When everyone is saying a similar shade of the same thing, fans take it as gospel, not realising there’s a whole world of hedging that goes on in this game. I can’t even feel sorry for people, I get sent tweets from smart people ‘@Joerbill698490000 ‘DEAL IS CLOSE ON X PLAYER’… like, honestly, these are the accounts that are riling you up? Every summer, 10 accounts hoping to get famous show up with fake rumours, every summer, people follow along and get angry when it falls through.

Next up.

Sometimes YOUR taste in players is absolutely terrible. Same here people, I’ve tied my reputation to some absolute shockers over the years. Where I’m going here is this: Last summer, Arsenal fans were tweeting ‘This club is FINISHED’ when Edu tried to move for Jorginho and John Stones. A season on, how are we feeling about those taste levels?

Reuben Neves might be an unsexy signing but that doesn’t mean he can’t fit the club as a whole. Do my loins moisten? No. But look, not many people have purred over Jorginho over the past few years, and it’s clear that every manager that works with him loves him, now he’s a Champions League winner. John Stones was a joke on this forum, I’ve had one guy tweet me every time he makes a mistake for years because I liked him, now he’s a league winner and one of the best defenders in the Premier League.

Pulling players out of underperforming clubs, if done with sharp data analysis, can be a winning move. Can’t imagine too many Arsenal fans were clamouring for Wijnaldum when he was bumming around at Newcastle, now he’s out at Liverpool and he’s joined PSG. Can you imagine if we’d gone for Choupo Moting after Stoke? He just signed a new deal with Bayern. We have to give this new scouting model a crack, if the sharp people on the laptops are recommending these players, then let’s see what’s what before crying that our club is over.

Everyone keen to jump on the Bissouma bandwagon, his agent is pushing his clients’ name towards Arsenal this summer, and it would make a lot of sense. Why are Arsenal fans excited about him? Because we’ve been starved of athletes for years. We’d take power and pace over a technician all day long (not that Bissouma is just P&P), but there has to be a balance. Again, I have no idea if we’re in for him, but he checks a lot of boxes and we have a make-weight with Eddie that would suit Brighton’s need for a proper finisher next season.

There’s also a lot of slander in the system for Martin Odegaard packaged with bad business ideas.

Here are the rules for Odegaard.

  1. He’s either good enough or he’s not. If the analysts at Arsenal have watched him at uncomfortably close quarters for 5 months and there’s still a ‘maybe’ about him, we shouldn’t go back for him. Reality? 5 months of intimate scouting will tell Arteta and Edu exactly what they need to do.
  2. You don’t loan a 22-year-old for a year if you are convinced he’s good enough. Creativity is a massive issue at Arsenal, he’s a big creator, if he’s the one, we need him on a perm deal. Developing other clubs talents is an absolute no-no, because we’re either pumping his price, or we’re bringing in an uncomitted duffer like Dani C and we’ll not move forward. There needs to be an answer.
  3. Football is bankrupt the world over. This summer will mark one of the most distressed markets in history. Odegaard is gettable this season for a good price because Madrid will likely have bigger targets elsewhere. Move on him now.
  4. Concerns about impact should be very much weighed against a few things. Firstly, he had only played 300 minutes prior to joining us in January. Secondly, the Premier League is really hard to adapt to. Thirdly, he came into a very broken squad. I think there is every chance that with a good preseason and a better understanding of the league… he could blow up.

Big club buy, they don’t rent.

The final rumour I want to talk about is the swap deal for Hector Bellerin and Aaron Ramsey.

I really hope we don’t go there. 65 appearances in 2 season, 6 goals, 6 assists. £400k a week deal. 30 years old. Injured all the time. He is not reliable, his numbers have cratered, and he’s been a superstar signing that has contributed to Juve falling off. Let him go to Everton.

The one joy I’ve taken from most of the transfer rumours this summer is the players all seem be sub 25 years old. That’s how it should be. We need a squad of sharp talent that we can develop and grow with. I don’t want to revisit old movies we know the ending of. How often has going back in time worked for Arsenal? Almost never. We are bad at signing older players, really bad.

The big lesson of last season is that the younger players respond better to the way of Mikel Arteta. Older players aren’t interested because they are at the stage of their careers where they don’t need to learn new tricks.

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  1. DM

    I don’t think Pedro and other bloggers are understanding

    I’m not angry because I think Aston Villa outbid us (whether they did or not)
    I’m not angry because I think Buendia might have chosen Villa over us (whether he did or not)

    I’m angry because I think Buendia would’ve been a perfect signing for us, PL proven, been excellent for 2+ years, affordable, available, and no “big” team in for him.

    I’m angry because we SHOULD have gone for him.

    People keep saying we didn’t miss out on him, we just didn’t want him. That Odegaard was our priority. But that’s the problem. IMO, Buendia should have been the priority.

  2. raptora

    Read that today and now Fabrizio confirms it.

    Fabrizio Romano
    Leicester are in advanced talks to sign Odsonne Édouard from Celtic, now working to complete the deal – many clubs interested so #LCFC keen to secure it quickly.
    Not yet at signings stage but Leicester board now confident. Soumaré deal with Lille, done and confirmed.”

    Solid Summer for Leicester already.

  3. PhD2020

    ValentinJune 7, 2021 14:50:18

    Yes,fair points with the NFL and NBA..

    They were points I thought about putting forward,but opted to keep it simple.

    Golden State Warriors prior to 2014-2015 is another team,that you can cite as an example-maybe?Last championship won by them was circa 1975,then went on to win it in 2015,2017,2018.In between,signed KD(Kevin Durrant) during the 2016 season as maybe he could see what the vision was.

    Point being,regardless of the history,could see a plan, a path in place.

    That is not currently evident at Arsenal,if we look over a ten year period as an example.

  4. Gonsterous

    Signing Ramsey will set the club back 5 years.

    Also isn’t arsenal planning of using saliba to get neves?

    We really are all talk under arteta.
    Tells willian we want to win the CL in 3 years, next thing we know, we are out of Europe.

    Asks the owners to be ruthless, has no idea what his transfer policy and targets are.

    All talk no bite, when it comes to Arsenal and arteta.

    Edu is another one who is not good enough. Incompetent people in all the positions at arsenal starting from the owner down.

    As I keep saying, in 10 years time, we will still be gloating about the last PL win in 2004′

  5. Leftside

    Only at Arsenal will we have numerous gaps that need to be filled and decide our number 1 target is a player at a club who have said they don’t wish to sell. There is always a built in excuse with these jokers.

  6. Marko

    Lemme get this straight transfer windows under Arsene and Unai this place pissed and moaned constantly about missed targets failure to move quickly etc etc but Arsenal under Arteta it’s trust the process and watch me excuse these things that I would normally criticize the club for doing. It’s the consistency I love. FYI I don’t really care about Buendia but I’ll continue to call it like it is and not pretend otherwise. No philosophy or direction at Arsenal so of course our transfer targets lack such too

  7. raptora

    “The big lesson of last season is that the younger players respond better to the way of Mikel Arteta.”

    You mean Saliba, Guendouzi, Martinelli, Willock, Nketiah, Maitland-Niles, Nelson, Balogun? Cause neither of these had a good season or was given a decent amount of playtime for Arsenal. Almost all of them got loaned cause Arteta preferred Willian, Ceballos, Elneny and Pablo Mari.

    The young players you are talking about are basically Saka and ESR.

    8 players vs 2. Lol

  8. Leftside

    And as said by other posters, Ode and Buendia are two different profiles of players, so if we’re really pining for Ode then why are we putting in a bid for Buendia? This club will continue to bumble along and wonder why nobody takes them seriously. This isn’t 2004 players from other clubs etc do not care about us going a season unbeaten anymore.

  9. Marko

    To be fair leftside this is a club under a manager who spent time last summer talking up Willian as a potential number 10 and then proceeded to never play him there and complain and struggle with creating chances for most of the season so it’s very understandable that he’d target two completely different types of players for the CAM position

  10. raptora

    Literally everyone reported that we put a transfer bid for Buendia.

    Yet Pedro here, is saying how they all lied instead of accepting that 99.9% we did bid for Buendia but it failed?

    As DM said, Buendia looked the right type of player. And may I add, for the exact money all of our transfers should be. Around 30-40m but never above 50-60m. High class player who could become a top class at Arsenal. That Arteta and Edu decided he ain’t it, remains to the test of time. But he did look like the right profile especially compared to Odegaard. Maybe they were right, maybe they weren’t. We’ll see.

  11. PhD2020

    ‘The big lesson of last season is that the younger players respond better to the way of Mikel Arteta. Older players aren’t interested because they are at the stage of their careers where they don’t need to learn new tricks.’

    ———
    Really now?

    Big lesson,I’ve learnt,is that we’ve finished in 8th place for two consecutive seasons.We are out of Europe and Arteta’s tactics,man management and in game management,not to mention his alienating and public humiliation of players, raises a lorry load of questions.

    Arsene talked about values…Arteta talks about process.

    I guess the current project under Arteta given he played under Arsene is:-‘Processing Values’ or ‘Valuing the Process’.

    All intangibles that can’t be measured-hey?

  12. redbro14

    Buendia story comes on top of a myriad of poor decisions by the club since Arteta and Edu heralded a new era, a fresh start. Something just does not feel right, but I think for most fans feel this is now not just about gut feelings, there is a history of systemic failure since Kronke’s took over. We all know how crucial this summer is, we are teetering on the edge of terminal decline. This is a fact. Our ownership and people running this club are not good enough, or experienced enough to rescue this awesome club from the decline into mediocrity. We will see how we start the next season……

  13. Dream10

    Man United looking to getting Sancho signed up. Ball is in their court. Just have to pay up.

    A Bundesliga pundit tweeted that Chelsea are pushing hard for Haaland. Wage structure the biggest stumbling block. Raiola wants Haaland to get paid

  14. raptora

    “this is a club under a manager who spent time last summer talking up Willian as a potential number 10 and then proceeded to never play him there”

    Willian played #9 though vs City. According to BBC he was the worst player on the pitch with a score of 5.17/10. Saucy.

  15. NT

    Pedro, it’s so said that our once huge club has deteriorated to the state of also-rans! Imagine, we can’t even compete with the likes of Aston Villa in the transfer market. How low can we go? Look how we’re being dominated by Chelsea! Since Roman Abramovich acquired Chelsea in 2003 they have delivered 17 trophies, including two Champions League titles. In present day football, you have buy your way to the title, as we have seen with Man City and Chelsea in recent years. With Stan Kroenke in charge, I’m not sure if Arsenal will ever again challenge for Premier League title.

  16. Leftside

    ‘This is a club under a manager who spent time last summer talking up Willian as a potential number 10 and then proceeded to never play him there and complain and struggle with creating chances for most of the season’

    Marko, yup – this is exactly one (in an already long, and growing list) of reasons that Arteta isn’t fit for purpose.

  17. Pedro

    Raptora, I literally explained how transfer twitter works and you come back and tell me that a bunch of people said the same thing.

    It’s an echo chamber. Crying about a deal that you know nothing about achieves nothing. I didn’t explain the deal, I just told you that pinning your hopes to people who just want to be famous for having inside knowledge or drive clicks might not be the sharpest move.

  18. Pedro

    NT, you can’t say the club has deteriorated until you see what we’ve done this summer. The window isn’t open yet.

  19. Moray

    “ I just hope/pray we have a plan.”

    Haha just because we haven’t for getting on two decades shouldn’t make this an impossibility

  20. Pedro

    Moray, it’s a new world this summer. A new model for player ID. A fresh start.

    Let’s see where it goes.

  21. raptora

    “New world this summer.”

    I feel the need to add that it’s Arteta and Edu’s 2nd summer. Previous one wasn’t a very good one mind you. Just sayin’.

  22. Ernest Reed

    Arsenal being Arsenal – Kings of dithering like few others.

    Gonna say it, still don’t see what they see in Ødegaard- if he’s all that then why hasn’t he cracked the RM lineup after all this time?

    More and more it’s becoming pretty obvious that Arsenal are bottom feeders for scraps. Not seeing many rumours of any player clamouring to sign for Arsenal and Arteta.

    Rumours of big spending this summer? Rumours indeed. I guess we shall all see.

  23. AFC Forever

    Great post Pedro.

    Not sure why you bother for these miserable sods. Seriously, we should have two blogs one where we can discuss football sensibly and another where the moaners can spend every day telling us how shit Arsenal is while bigging up Villa and Leicester. Honest, you get more Arsenal positivity on a Spuds blog!!

    The Buendia fake outrage was funny because it was so predictable. As for claiming we are somehow inferior to Aston Villa, Jesus who are these morons who claim to be fans?

    Next season will be a great season. Mikel won a trophy in his first half-season due to his ability to finally address the issue of playing without the ball and defending set-pieces, something Emery struggled with these players. Last season we had no pre-season and started terribly, players that normally perform at a high level, like Willian and Aubamaeyang, were playing like Pepsi & Shirley but we turned it around going on a 26 game run only bettered by Man City. That undeniable fact might upset the activists, because it challenges their narrative, but ultimately it is relevant. Form and confidence are huge things in a game of small margins, especially with young players and new tactics.

    Players are getting more familiar with the tactics and their role within the framework of the team and the young players have improved and will have gained confidence from the last two thirds of the season. We should have a fully fit Partey and Tierney to start the season, add a couple of top quality additions so we play a higher tempo & a more technical and fluid system and we can see how we will improve. The break from European football will reduce the risk of losing players to muscular injuries, it means we can play our best eleven more frequently, and gives us a week to prepare for the league opposition tactically – all benefits that Leicester and Chelsea under Conte exploited & other teams that you were all praising before we finally overtook them.

    The key to unlocking the potential we have will be the additions we make in the TW. The club doesn’t do transfers via the media, so fans would be best advised to stop being triggered so easily by the crap they read, however much it suits their agenda. Seriously, if you are taking what you hear on TalkSport or read online seriously, give your head a shake because you are an idiot for getti8ng triggered; 99% of it is ‘speculative bollocks’ designed to get clicks.

    Subject to signings, of course, I believe we are going to have a great season that will end up providing us with Champions League Football – and a chance to secure our rightful place where our great club belongs in the higher echelons of the game.

  24. Gentlebris

    Not that I’m interested in old odd issues or anything…but why do people here prefer to react?

    It was terribly obvious that Mikel wouldn’t be able to do the job immediately, but almost everybody here was cool with it…then he began to tank it and this place becomes ever flooded with reactions.

    I was here day and night then, stating a million reasons per minute on why Mikel shouldn’t be hired. Had we all ACTED, our collective objection could have spread from here to Twitter and from Twitter into Edu/Vinai/Josh’s heads. Don’t let anyone tell you Twitter doesn’t matter…Twitter so matters it’s currently banned in Nigeria for giving the government too much heat.

    So from here to Twitter and from Twitter into the joint mind of the three musketeers…and Mikel wasn’t hired. That was my initiative, trying to prevent the wrong man getting the job, knowing it takes forever for a manager to be fired at Arsenal.

  25. Jonathan

    Don’t always agree with your posts, but most times I do. Sometimes I’ll moan at you on Twitter, most times I’ll agree. But this post was one of your best, clearly explains how to much social media and media are a bad thing. Too many competing for attention. Just read bbc gossip and newsnow and Arsenal are buying around 55 players per season. We all know that when Fab or Ornstien tweet it’s worth a read, the others not so much. But thank you for keeping context and not sensationalising every rumour as some do.

  26. Thorough

    We are a dim club.
    It’s shocking people are supporting or excusing this level of dereliction of duty.
    We had threr players in Buendia (who could get us goals that the midfield needs badly), Soumare) who could have been an amazing partner for Partey) and a young striker in Odsonne Eduardo that could have replaced Lacazette, and we let our competitors have free run at them.
    If money was our problem then I’ll excuse Buendia, but Eduardo and Soumare went for below 20 mil bucks ffs.

    And it’s a lie we were not in for Buendia no matter how hard Pedders preaches it, you can’t be correct and all the saucy journos wrong.

    And if we were never considering Soumare and Eduardo then that confirms we are even a more useless club than I’d thought.

    What was Edu doing all season ffs

  27. englandsbest

    Spot on, Pedro

    I hate to give Trump an uptick on anything – but he was (and is) right about fake news. And to prove the point, he used it better than anyone.

    Fake news has been bread and butter for the football sports press every off-season. And still we fall for it. Fair enough, it makes for excitement until reality returns in August (used to be September.)

    What is laughable (and sometimes painful) though, is the way some on here use false rumour to attack the Club and, in particular, Arteta. A word in their ear: you don’t fool anyone except rumour-mongers like yourselves.

  28. Champagne Charlie

    Gentlebris

    Not sure you’ve got a much to go on, you were in favour of Nuno, Carlo, and bigging up Jose something rotten.

  29. AFC Forever

    Savage

    “Part of the reason Neves didn’t have a good season is because their star striker missed the season, and Jota also left”

    Spot on. When Raul Jimenez was injured in the challenge with David Luiz, Wolves fell apart. Jimenez was a huge player for them. I would have taken him at Arsenal, he has a lot of quality in and around the penalty area and very strong in the air. Big loss for Wolves and that’s why they struggled.

  30. Marko

    Love how when rumours were circulating that Arteta was in trouble the focus became Edu and how shit a job he was doing but now it seems everyone is safe let’s back them they know what they’re doing. I dunno I just don’t quite see it

  31. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    I agree 100% with the point you make that Arsenal should not entertain a swap deal for either Bellerin or Xhaka.

    The idea that we should agree a swap for unwanted rejects from Juventus [Ramsey] and
    Roma [Under] is ridiculous. Neither is going to improve our team.

    Ramsey is in his 30s and his career is on a downward spiral. He started just 13 serie A games
    for Juventus and his transfer valuation is a third of what it was when he left us. This is a
    player who left us because we were unwilling to extend his contract.

    Under is an even worse swap, because this is a player Roma rejected and sent out loan to
    Leicester where he played virtually no football. Do we need yet another right wing?

    Bellerin and Xhaka are both starting eleven players . Ramsey and Under are not. Recruiting
    them merely fills our squad with more unwanted players.

    If we are going to engage in loans or swaps then at least it should be on our terms and not
    the other club.

    Arsenal need to offload a lot of unwanted players this summer but I would rather drop the
    price of these players than engage in swaps.

    Cash is king.

  32. Ernest Reed

    “Ernest, not sure Edu is a ditherer.”

    Not sure of anything any longer, Pedro.

    All that i know is that you cant start the upcoming season without properly addressing the problems of last season. To that point we are being asked to trust the process. I will leave it at that and reserve judgement at the appropriate time.

  33. Pedro

    Bris, the prime example of someone with a big opinion on what we have, who had worse opinions on what we should have had.

  34. Matt B

    Twitter matters? Funniest thing I think I’ve ever read on here

    Makes a change from the incessant whining though — it feels more like a crèche in here than an AFC blog

    Has there ever been any more toys thrown out a pram at any one time than what we’ve seen chucked out here in the last few days.

    It would be thoroughly depressing if it wasn’t so funny

  35. andy1886

    Let’s see then who we actually sign. Players on the up (Buendia certainly appears to be one of them as was Watkins last summer for example) or players on the way down like Willian, Luiz, Soares.

    We seem to be pretty well split on Odegaard, claims that he’s on his way up based on faith can be countered with the point that RM don’t let decent players go. Clearly if they sell him RM don’t see whatever it is that Mikel sees.

    It would be interesting to see how many players transferred between big clubs go on to improve. I can’t think of that many. The ones that tend to do that seem to be promising players from smaller clubs that are hungry to take that chance, unfortunately we seem addicted to picking up top side’s cast offs.

  36. Dream10

    Won’t be surprised if the club wait till the final to buy/loan Odegaard again. Surely there has to be another right footed playmaker with quality technique and end product we can sign.

  37. andy1886

    AFC Forever, I wouldn’t have taken Jiminez, he’s 30, how many times are we going to take oldies on the way down before we learn our lesson?

  38. MD-Gunner

    “5 months of intimate scouting will tell Arteta and Edu exactly what they need to do.”

    There is your problem right there they don’t know jack as has Nevins evident by many asking what is Edu doing at the club and the managerial incompetence of Arteta shows up in the table finishes.

  39. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    Did you seem Fabrizio Romano waxing lyrical about Edu the other day? Seemed somewhat odd.

  40. Ernest Reed

    “Let’s see then who we actually sign. Players on the up (Buendia certainly appears to be one of them as was Watkins last summer for example) or players on the way down like Willian, Luiz, Soares.”

    You can be as optimistic as you want, but when presented with the facts that you lay out Andy, its essentially either bad luck or incredibly poor planning.

  41. andy1886

    Hello Ernest.

    Yes, piss poor planning so far, but have we learnt anything? I’m not really optimistic but even not being quite so stupid in the market might be a small ray of light, a move in the right direction.

    What I do know is that more of the same unadventurous, tired, dull signings this summer and we can effectively write off yet another season.

  42. Almuniasaynomore

    Andy
    Henry, Vieira, lately the chelsea trio KDB,Salah, Lukaku, players off the top of my head who were at ‘big’ clubs and went on to explode elsewhere,but they are exceptions. I think your point is spot on and I agree we need to find young and hungry. I think that’s why not getting Buendia disappointed me so much. It’s not impossible that we can still secure this type of player but it seems that Arteta plays everything so safe we’re going to be severely disappointed again. It wasn’t losing Buendia,it was the path it suggested we are on. I hope to be proved wrong.

  43. Pedro

    CC, I did see that comment. The idea that any one person can just suddenly be connected deeply to every single club in the world is a fantasy only twitter could carry. That opinion shows that he can say literally anything and people go along with it.

  44. AFC Forever

    Englandsbest

    “What is laughable (and sometimes painful) though, is the way some on here use false rumour to attack the Club and, in particular, Arteta”

    Yep. Much better to have something untruthful that fits a narrative than a truth that challenges it. Just look at the 26 game run Arsenal went on, these people need positivity like a Moose needs a hat-stand.

    As football is our national sport there is huge competition for clicks. Content is hugely speculative, there are few who are really ITK despite their claims. The lying journalists always makes me smile when they quote: “A source close to the club” or “an unnamed source” which in other words means; “I made up this complete bollocks”. Pedro knows the score.

  45. AFC Forever

    Andy

    “AFC Forever, I wouldn’t have taken Jiminez, he’s 30, how many times are we going to take oldies on the way down before we learn our lesson?”

    No point now in any case, won’t be the same player after that injury. A couple of years ago I would have taken him, top striker. Technically really strong. I agree, we need to focus on younger players.

  46. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    Yea, was left a bit puzzled how he came to that conclusion honestly. But more you scratch with him the more you see it’s very much as you’re painting. Good old Fab has been in hot water of late passing info off as his own despite doing a cut and paste from other journos.

    Kind of speaks to the Wild West nature of Twitter ITK, and how you’re only as good as your last exclusive full of all the juicy deets – real or otherwise.

  47. Gentlebris

    CC,

    Yeah I wanted Jose, but never the other ones you mentioned. And Jose had his poorest season in his career at a suspect club…but where did he still finish? Above Mikel.

    Pedro,

    I did not say Jose or no one else, I suggested Jose just like others suggested other bright names. But you specifically told us Mikel was world class.

    I don’t have time for reactions…Mikel has the job, I knew he couldn’t do it immediately(and I wanted immediate impact), but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it in the long run.

    I suspect Mikel will shock you guys here next season. I have seen what he has and what he doesn’t have. He’s desperate to succeed, and he must have learned to be humble, then the rookie factor is clearing off. So 3 shrewd signings and I believe Mikel will get us top 4.

    In any case, Mikel is here till at least December, so what is the use of the yakatayikitis

  48. Ernest Reed

    I love the total and oblivious use of optimism by some on this blog. The amusement factor alone is worth the price of admission.

    For those that love to trash the so-called anti-optimism crowd, its a flipping game for crying out loud. Football is nothing more than a game that allows for enjoyment, happiness, sadness, frustration, anger, and pretty much any emotion you want to tag to it. No right or wrong to be attached.

    The fact that a couple of you continue to harp against those that aren’t you, tells you that you cant delineate between your membership to the Malory Towers Fan Club and the reality that its just a game. Get over yourselves you self righteous fools.

  49. Terraloon

    “In present day football, you have buy your way to the title, as we have seen with Man City and Chelsea in recent years. With Stan Kroenke in charge, I’m not sure if Arsenal will ever again challenge for Premier League title”

    The notion that a number of clubs managed in the past to win the league without buying is just nonsense

    Historically the vast vast majority of league winners have transferred in the majority of their players.
    I can’t immediately put my hand on the article but it made comparison between transfer spend as a % of income 1940-50-60s 2010 and surprising the 2010 saw a lesser % spend.

  50. GoonGoonerGone

    Relax, guys.
    Pedro is Arteta’s spin doctor. Only a fool can’t see that.
    I bet Pedro doesn’t believe half the things he makes up each day.

  51. Pedro

    Bris, if your suggestions have all been fired or axed, you can’t come to me with ‘instant reaction needed’

    You had worse ideas than Arteta.

    CC, telling how many journos are calling him a tap-in merchant. He’s basically The Fat Jewish of football content, but no one cares.

  52. Ernest Reed

    “What I do know is that more of the same unadventurous, tired, dull signings this summer and we can effectively write off yet another season.”

    Indeed and please no more signings of beyond sell date players, it would be disheartening given last seasons abject results through such signings.

  53. Pedro

    Ernest, you slagged Edu, totally fair… but used the worst players you can find.

    If I’d said, Edu is elite, look at Martinelli, Odegaard, Mari, Gabriel M, and Thomas Partey… AND look at the dross he’s moved on, it paints a different picture. If it’s just a game, at least play a fair one.

  54. Ernest Reed

    Its those worst players that cost a fortune Pedro, the ones that likely will keep the club from making creative signings. Come on, even you can see the problem those ill advised signings brought with them.

  55. Elmo

    “if the sharp people on the laptops are recommending these players, then let’s see what’s what before crying that our club is over.”

    Surely the whole point, ‘Dro, is that we HAVE already given StatDNA and the machines a chance.

    The summer of 2016 that holed the club below the waterline was a StatDNA summer. Xhaka, Mustafi and Perez for £100m. And you can understand how the machines come to their conclusions to recommend those types of players: Xhaka was in a PL team of the season this year (CIES), and Mustafi was the highest rated defender in the league in 2020 according to Whoscored metrics. We know from experience that these players aren’t good enough, but many of the algorithms identify them to be fantastic.

    We have to hope there are humans at the club who can look beyond the non-relevant data, use what is useful, and make the right decisions.

  56. andy1886

    Terraloon, that doesn’t surprise me, much of the money that would have gone on transfers pre-Bosman now goes directly into the players’ pockets. I’m pretty sure it’s been a long time since our transfer budget exceeded our wage bill.

  57. Champagne Charlie

    Jorginho was last summers “joke club” link, and in the end he was a big feature in a side that finished 4th and won the CL. Meanwhile many of the same people scoffing at Jorginho leaned hard into pyramid Pirlo as an “excellent” foil for Partey.

    I was laughed at for recommending John Stones as a ball-playing CB to replace Luiz. Why? Because he wasn’t Upamecano. Playing a smart market is so foreign to Arsenal that fans lose their shit unless the player incoming is pissing in online sauce.

  58. Pedro

    Ernest, Willian was the worst signing of the last 10. years, no doubt. But if you only focus on the bad players to be miserable about, are you being truthful to yourself?

    I don’t think so.

    Raising the white flag before the window is a mayo levels of sauce.

  59. Ernest Reed

    And you know me Pedro, Im yet to be convinced that the club are heading in the right direction. Trust the Process is what you keep saying – okay, and then? The process is taking time and the progress is equally slow.

    You dont finish 8th and out of Europe and declare any level of success, you just cant and don’t. Am i missing something in all of this?

  60. AFC Forever

    Terraloon

    Mate, spending is on a different level now. The four Champions League semi-finalists were all doped clubs; City, Chelsea, PSG & RM.

    However, what has been more dangerous with the modern ‘buying’ of success is how that has had such a huge inflationary effect creating an artificial market for transfer fees and wages – which is a very bad thing. Barca and Real are floating with £1bn debt, Chelsea owe Abramovich £1.3bn and Man City & PSG have been doped a similar amount over £1bn.

    In 1979 Trevor Francis became the first £1m player, joining Forest from Birmingham City. Now we see a host of £50 to £100 million players earning upwards of £200,000 per week (£10m per annum). This is a disaster for football and was of course triggered by the TV money – but now you have Oil States buying up clubs for vanity reasons with unlimited funds, dictating who wins trophies. It is not comparable to any previous era.

  61. Matt B

    Ernest: I think these stark differences in reactions to what’s happened or not happened, merely reflects the types of supporters here

    The point Pedro makes is for us to withhold judgement until we’ve actually done our work. For us to have a TW, we need to sell before we make any purchases.

    Much like with TP last summer, our targets this TW may have probably agreed to join us behind the scenes. And contrary to what some people here think, Arsenal is a great club with a long history and will appeal to many, even in the absence of European football next season

  62. Champagne Charlie

    “And Jose had his poorest season in his career at a suspect club…but where did he still finish? Above Mikel.“

    I mean he didn’t, he was sacked and went to Italy with his tail between his legs. Sacked a week before a cup final no less because they thought that little of him.

    Pedro
    Think it was Wheatley that absolutely tore him a new arsehole but deleted the tweet. Very much saying what you’ve said there, he hoovers up exclusives and plays into the Twitter oracle he’s perceived.

    It’s a business ultimately, fans need to appreciate that when they’re balls deep in the stuff. The guys with shit to say inevitably want the traction so they’re going to play into it. How much they actually know, real detail, is very, very suspect.

  63. Pedro

    Ernest, it’s all about framing. If your idea of a completed process was 18 months, that is on you. Very few managers in world football work on that timeline, and if they can… the rockstars… Arsenal was not going to be desirable (as evidence with Conte > Spurs).

    There are plenty of trends that point towards the process going in a good direction. You can be miserable, and look for the bad, or perk up, look for the positives and hope the plan is elite this summer.

  64. Rambo

    Pedro

    “It’s an echo chamber. Crying about a deal that you know nothing about achieves nothing. I didn’t explain the deal, I just told you that pinning your hopes to people who just want to be famous for having inside knowledge or drive clicks might not be the sharpest move”

    Isn’t that what you and Le grove did during your stint as ringleader of WOB?

    Have to say, its fvcking ridiculous for some of us who have followed Le grove for years to now hear you say
    ‘There’s no point being miserable’, ‘It’s an echo chamber’, ‘I don’t want to be negative for the next six months’ etc etc

  65. Marko

    I was laughed at for recommending John Stones as a ball-playing CB to replace Luiz. Why? Because he wasn’t Upamecano. Playing a smart market is so foreign to Arsenal that fans lose their shit unless the player incoming is pissing in online sauce.

    Wait are you talking about playing the market smart by suggesting a defender who already moved for 50 million while Bayern snapped up Upamecano for less than 40 million at 22? Genuinely brilliant that

  66. Valentin

    The more non-negotiables Thomas Partey breaks with his national team and get sacked from it, the more time he has to recover from his first season in the EPL.

    However if he were to start to do the same with Arteta, I wonder which treatment he would get: the Willian (everything is forgiven) or the Guendouzi treatment (get out of my club)?

  67. PhD2020

    Ernest ReedJune 7, 2021 17:16:36
    Am i missing something in all of this?

    ———
    Yes, subjective bias….. 🙂

    lol

    Did you not get the memo..

    ‘Trust the process’..

    ‘Value the process’ or ‘Process valuing’ as of now. 🙂

  68. Pedro

    CC, you simply can’t be that connected to everything unless you have a BBC behind you. Even then it’s really difficult.

    But really, why accounts like that bang, is everything is in one place. It’s easy curation.

  69. China1

    Leicester and villa both quietly just getting on with improving their squads

    Leicester in particular make it look so easy to buy good players at good prices. Why do we find it so tough

  70. PhD2020

    PedroJune 7, 2021 17:24:18
    CC, you simply can’t be that connected to everything unless you have a BBC behind you. Even then it’s really difficult.

    ——
    Really Pedro.Thanks for enlightening us,on your extra curricular activities.
    🙂

  71. Pedro

    Valentin, Willian is probably exiting this summer. For all the talk he didn’t face consequences, he was pretty anonymous post Xmas.

    Guendo couldn’t keep his behaviour in check on his apology loan, nor would anyone in europe take a chance on him. Maybe you have to take an L on his treatment, seen as his talent hasn’t landed him a move anywhere decent.

    Thomas Partey has never been a problem for discipline, if he was, one would hope he’d be treated the same way everyone is.

  72. China1

    Pedro

    ‘ CC, you simply can’t be that connected to everything unless you have a BBC behind you. .’

    Excuse me? This used to be a family blog

  73. China1

    As for whoever called some of us miserable sods

    Yeah something about having an absolutely dreadful season somehow makes people reluctant to bring out the champagne

    Funny how that happens innit

  74. AFC Forever

    Ernest Read

    Not Willian again?!!

    At the time everyone was saying what a good bit of business it was getting a proven Premier League performer who had just been voted Chelsea’s player of the season. He had scored 13 goals and had also won Chelsea’s goal of the season. It was a no-brainer on a free transfer.

    Beating Arteta and Edu up is misplaced; it should be Willian who gets a bloody good hiding because he was the one that played like Oprah Winfrey.

    There is no guarantee with any signing. Look at Alexis Sanchez when he went to MUFC.

  75. Words on a blog

    PhD2020,

    Thanks mate – the image of Pedro with a BBC looming behind him is permanently etched into my brain.

  76. Valentin

    AFC,

    I think that day of reckoning is coming for football. The next TV deals are unlikely to be as generous as the current ones. Also the idea that the European will be able to exploit the Chinese, Middle-East enthusiasm for European football is going to hit reality and political power.

    Both China and India are trying to assert their dominance, so neither government will sanction any deals that take too much money out of the country.

    Also at home I think that the ESL conspirators have under estimated the extend of the rejection. Politicians know that they are into a winner. I fully expect legislation to make the concept of competing/rivals European Super League impossible or financially unviable.

    Some clubs will die and some may emerge like phoenix. However all clubs will have to show financial restraint. I also think that because of the ESL, we may have UEFA and FIFA impose more stringent regulation. FIFA is working on an automated clearing house payment for player transfer with limits on agent fees.

  77. Tom

    “Sacked a week before a cup final no less because they thought that little of him”

    A strange decision considering how pathetic Tottenham looked in that game.
    Jose is a has been but ask me who is the favorite to set up the team for a win in a cup final between Mourinho and Ryan fucking Mason, and there can only be one answer.

  78. Champagne Charlie

    “Wait are you talking about playing the market smart by suggesting a defender who already moved for 50 million while Bayern snapped up Upamecano for less than 40 million at 22? Genuinely brilliant that“

    You missing the point again? I’m shocked.

    His stock was low end of last season, he was widely reported to be available for 20 mil as City were securing Ake for 40 mil. Even at that price he was scoffed at on here by numerous (you included).

    So your counter to John Stones at 20 mil is Upamecano at just shy of 40 mil? Paying a premium for the sexiest players going is literally all you know, you’ve no grounds to comment on smart anything.

  79. Ernest Reed

    Im as optimistic as i allow myself to be, Pedro. Neither good nor bad, just “waiting” for the first domino to fall.

    Believe me, I want nothing more than to want Arsenal to succeed. I take zero pleasure from last season as the results were very much not ideal and of course having others revel in our misery again, is not ideal.

    Trust the process is it, so i will await movement from management and remain hopeful of better days.

  80. Ernest Reed

    AFC, i did not mention Willian at all, check it for yourself. If you want to make assumptions then that is solely on you.

    Signing Willian is on management and not the player. Its the proverbial albatross around their neck and will linger for about as long as a rancid fart in in an enclosed room.

    Who signed Willian? Willian himself?? Come on, you are better than that.

  81. Marko

    Paying a premium for the sexiest players going is literally all you know, you’ve no grounds to comment on smart anything.

    He’s literally joining Bayern Munich…at 22…for something incredibly affordable given his quality and potential. I mean you suggesting a Man City cast off as smart and dismissing a highly rated CB who Bayern just snapped up is again just brilliant mate.

  82. Ben

    I am just more worried about the club’s reasoning that Buendia is an alternative to Odegaard because they are wildly different players. Their play styles are nothing similar. Buendia, talented as he is has played pretty much all his career on the right. Think that’s his best position IMO as he drifts from the left to pick up spaces in the center. Think of him like a very poor man’s Hazard.
    I’d have wanted him here if we didn’t have Pepe and Saka playing on the right.

    Ultimately I think it was the right decision not to bid anymore than 30 million. It’s too risky a transfer. I know that people point out his season in the premier league but forget to mention how inconsistent he was and how he’d barely start in the second half of the season.

    Benrahma, who is a bigger talent made the same move to Westham but has struggled to live up to expectations.

  83. Pedro

    Ernest, it’s always amusing to see people get so riled by the process… but in any business, it’s an extremely real thing. I built a team over here, it has taken 4 years for it to bang. There was a very real process. Lay the foundations, build elite process, up-level the talent as you cycle through, watch the work get better and better.

    It’s the same with football. Have a strong vision, build around that vision, make incremental improvements, upgrade talent… hope you bang at some point.

    The only silver bullet is money, which we don’t have, and even then, you still need good process.

    Fans don’t care about process but that doesn’t mean it’s not incredibly important…. in literally every single industry.

  84. AFC Forever

    Valentin

    Guendouzi deserved everything he got. It was about time we got tough with players, we had been too soft for years. Can’t have it both ways. His behaviour was unacceptable and by all accounts, he’s been a royal pain in the arse in Berlin. It’s not just about what a player does for 90 minutes, football is more than that. If you have a disruptive influence in and around the training camp it really isn’t good, especially as we have a lot of young players.

    At Berlin, he came on a sub and within three minutes had gifted Leipzig a goal by throwing himself on the floor in his own area trying to “cheat”, the referee having none of it. He had been warned about that previously by the coaching team but he didn’t listen, too arrogant. Dardai, his coach said after the game: “It’s like puberty for him, he’s kind of a rebel.”

    The fact he is 22 suggests he isn’t going to grow out of it. It is a shame because there is definitely talent there but he’s a liability.

  85. raptora

    Oh, now we trust the reports of John Stones being available for 20m and Ake for 40m.
    But when it’s about Arsenal bidding for Buendia like Pedro says – “echo chamber” and fake gospel. Duly noted.

  86. Pedro

    Ben, agree there. If he was a target, that would mean we’ll be signing another player in his image. Because Odegaard is a different beast entirely.

  87. Mr Serge

    We have 33 pros on the books 13 of those have to go before we even think about bringing in new players we have such an unbalanced squad

  88. Ernest Reed

    “you can put your trust in twitter, but you’ll constantly get burned.”

    Darned right, theres also some crazy guy named Pedro that posts on Twitter a lot. Wonder if he’s the same Pedro of LeGrove infamosity??? 😉

  89. Marko

    Again this is Arsenal fans in a nutshell arguing about the likes of David Luiz and John Stones meanwhile there’s better and more successful clubs out there snapping up the likes of Upamecano, Konate and Reuban Dias who some fans scoff at. This fanbase is going places

  90. andy1886

    AFC Forever, sorry, but if you truly believe that everyone thought that Willain was a good signing then you must have a memory problem. I’d say at least 80% on here were saying what a crap idea buying another Chelsea pensioner was. Remember, we’d just had the Luiz extension against the wishes of the majority of supporters, almost no-one was celebrating adding Willian to the list of shame.

  91. PhD2020

    PedroJune 7, 2021 17:47:51
    Raptora, you can put your trust in twitter, but you’ll constantly get burned.

    ——
    We’ve put our trust in Arsenal for nigh over a decade.Scratch that, since the Emirates move..Look how that’s turned out?

    Two consecutive 8th place finishes and out of all European cup competitions, for the first time in almost 25 years.

    Question is -who to trust nowadays or who can you trust?

  92. Br0wnie

    I’d like to put in a plug for the Abraham-Auba swap. The only thing that worries me though is that Auba would be crap for Chelsea all season except he’d score 3 beautiful goals against us every time we met. 🙂

  93. raptora

    I like how John Stones and Jorginho names are being thrown around as a “I told you so”.

    Same madafakas expect that that these two would have performed as good at Arsenal as they did for City and Chelsea. LOL!!!

    You are aware that Willian was this close to being a top class player at Chelsea and Auba was banging goals for free. Then Mr. sauce has a few weeks to transmit his ideas, and suddenly both become beyond horrible.

    You call this optimism? I call it agenda driven bs by the crowd that just decided that Arteta is the one and only manager to take us forward.

  94. andy1886

    On Stones the snag is that for a defender who can’t actually defend £50m is a pretty heavy price. The only reason he can play for City is that he spends more time on the ball than he does on his defensvie duties. Watch him struggle in the Euros.

  95. AFC Forever

    Ernest Read

    “Signing Willian is on management and not the player”

    Willian had just won Chelsea’s player of the season, scored 13 goals and had also won their goal of the season. He had won a number of trophies and aside from Hazard was probably Chelsea’s best player. I was pleased when we signed him, so were many others who all thought it was good business getting Chelsea’s player of the season on a free. Of course, the hindsight experts will say otherwise.

    Ultimately he failed, his performances were poor and at times there seemed to be a lack of effort. That is on him mate, these blokes earn a lot of money based on their ability but you refuse to blame him? I hope you don’t ever employ anyone who turns out to be a mistake because you will have to sack yourself using your logic!

  96. Pedro

    Yes Marko, Unai Emery wasn’t allowed to build a process at Arsenal which tells you what people thought of his ideas and football vision.

  97. T

    Dunno if arsenal tried to sign buendia or not. Thought a lot about last summer and the midfielders arteta seemed to chase. Also thought a lot about what he has said about tactics and evolving over his time spent here.

    I think that they want arsenal to play 4-3-3 next season.
    Also it seems pretty clear that arteta would like his midfielders to be more dynamic and athletic. The signing of partey is clear evidence. The fact that aouar was chased also points towards this.

    Buendia is a very good player but i think that mikel would prefer to bring in a bigger more athletic and dynamic player than him or odegaard.

  98. Ernest Reed

    AFC

    I have performed due diligence on everyone that i have ever had responsibility over and over a now 5 year period i can honestly say that i have been disappointed twice, not because they were poor performers, because they were good and developed very well and chose to move on to bigger and better opportunities.

    Performing due diligence is a requirement AFC, taking the word of a parasitic agent as gospel is not. Care to refute that?

  99. Marko

    I’m not scoffing at John Stones I’m scoffing at the idea that signing him is a smart move compared to Upamecano.

    Could also say Pedro calling for time and patience after hounding out the previous manager for the best part of 18 months. Not to mention getting it wrong on certain super agents but that’s a touchy subject

  100. Marko

    which tells you what people thought of his ideas and football vision.

    Of course the same people who dithered making a decision on Wenger all those years you criticized them and who currently dither on a manager who’s overlooked our worst season in 25 years? Those guys… cannot be trusted

  101. PhD2020

    you can put your trust in twitter, but you’ll constantly get burned.

    ——
    Aren’t you on twitter?

  102. Tom

    Andy
    I’m glad you found the energy to challenge that AFC Willian transfer recollection …….I couldn’t.
    The length of the deal, his wages, and the fact he would take minutes from others were all points raised against his transfer.

    People acknowledged he would probably improve the squad but that was as high a praise as he got.

    Rich and CG pulled their hair out.

  103. raptora

    I just find it too odd that almost every single one of the people who wanted Wenger out, is now Arteta out. Minus Pedro. He jumped ship.

  104. andy1886

    AFC Forever “Willian had just won Chelsea’s player of the season, scored 13 goals and had also won their goal of the season”.

    Really? I’d check that if I were you, Willian scored 11 goals (nine in the league), Kovacic was their player of the season, and Tomori scored their goal of the season. So that’s 0/3 for accuracy.

    Also Chelsea saw fit to release him which tells you all you need to know.

  105. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    Looks like “smart” purchasing is another concept to fly a mile over your head.

    Paying the circa 20 mil for Stones last summer would’ve been a smart move, buying Jorginho last summer again would’ve proven a shrewd move – you were against both which surprises nobody. The accumulation of smart additions is what elevates a football club and allows for marquee purchases like a VVD to add that special something.

    You were heavily in favour of Pepe and Saliba who have offered the worst return on 100 mil I can think of in recent memory.

  106. Dissenter

    CC
    How can Saliba be as bad return on money when he’s not gotten a chance to fail or succeed?

    You ought to apply the blame for Saliba on the manager that you won’t stop defending.

  107. AFC Forever

    Andy

    With all due respect mate, you lot piss on everything. It’s what you do. We could be in for Lionel Messi, Ronaldo and Aguero and the usual suspects will be moaning about Messi & Aguero being only five feet seven.

    It is quite depressing how you ‘nobs’ make very little attempt to be reasonable on here. I don’t trust a word most of you say because you debate from a dishonest & disingenuous position. It is a shame but it is what it is. I’ve tried my best over time to discuss football and be fair but it always gets turned back into the agenda bore-fest. You just have too much hate for sensible debate. I’ve come to accept that all you want to do is use the blog to slag off the club 24/7 and pick fights with anyone who dares challenge that over obsessive narrative; so I don’t expect anything sensible back. The club have definitely missed a trick though, they should recruit their next manager and coaching team from thsi blog, you lot know everything and we are lucky to be in your presence.

  108. raptora

    Yeah,
    Let’s throw Saliba under the bus because a certain someone didn’t like him. After a horrific management of what to do with him, him basically doesn’t play for half a season, goes on loan in the second half of the season, starts 20/22 games and does enough to earn himself a nomination for the Fans team of the season.

    Makes sense.

  109. Tom

    “With all due respect mate, you lot piss on everything. It’s what you do. We could be in for Lionel Messi, Ronaldo and Aguero and the usual suspects will be moaning about Messi & Aguero being only five feet seven.“

    Can’t talk for anyone else but I’m against all three.

  110. Almuniasaynomore

    Right kroenkephobe, here’s my latest effort to reclaim top spot.
    ‘Benny and the jets’ Elton John
    Hey le grove,keep your shit together
    The spotlight’s hitting Arsenal and we still don’t know whether
    We’ll get this window right,so stick around
    You’re gonna hear electric rumours,solid walls of sound

    Say Ramsey or Odie have you seen them yet?
    Ooh or is Xhaka out?
    E E E E Edu and the Tets
    Oh but they’re weird if not wonderful
    Oh Edu he’s the transfer king
    He’s buying Messi’s boots, a Ronaldo suit
    You know I read it in a magazine
    Ooh oh E E E E Edu and the Tets.

  111. raptora

    The places people would go to defend a rookie, who lead us to our worst season in 25 years, broke multiple negative records, had beefs with half the squad, got KO’d by the bum Emery and has shown us what boring, robotic, safety first football looks like.

  112. andy1886

    “I don’t trust a word most of you say because you debate from a dishonest & disingenuous position”

    Says the person who made up three ‘facts’ about Willian that were completely wrong to support his argument and then got pissed when I pointed that out.

    Pot, kettle, black eh?

  113. AFC Forever

    Raptora

    “Just find it too odd that almost every single one of the people who wanted Wenger out, is now Arteta out. Minus Pedro. He jumped ship”.

    It is not odd at all. It is a type of person. Some people are protestors or activist types who have an overinflated value of their opinion. It is a bit narcissistic, always wanting their own way. It doesn’t matter who the next manager is, they will want him out at some stage. Then the next. It’s a game as much as what goes on the pitch.

    They will be the same types who jump all over players backs and then other commentators who don’t share their extreme views. Extremists really.

    So it’s not at all odd Raptora. Pedro just has more of an open mind and has been able to recognise positive change, like others in the general Arsenal World.

  114. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    It has absolutely nothing to do with Arteta you buffoon. In 2019 we paid nearly 30 mil for an 18 year old CB that at best we wouldn’t see for 12 months following the terms of the transfer which included loaning him back to France.

    The Saliba deal was absolutely ridiculous given the pressing needs of the football club.