The biggest heist in football history is underway and the more you look at it, the more you speak to people in the game, the more you realise the reason there’s no PR counter-point is the clubs don’t need one.
It’s happening. You’ll have to suck it up. There are very few options available to anyone.
Rich people get away with bad things because money solves most problems. All manner of shady owners get a pass from fans if there’s an investment on the pitch. This Super League is the future clubs have been looking at since the David Dein era. The big owners hope you’ll forget when you see the riches it reaps on your team every season.
I spent most of my day speaking to people in the game. Most are thinking about this very differently to you or I. They see this as an inevitable next step in a game that hasn’t been for the people for 30 years. The thread of conversations generally had three points.
- Clubs don’t make much money out of the game.
- The pandemic fucked their average business models and they want control back.
- UEFA has massively under-valued the value of the ‘content’ the big clubs produce, this is the consequence of their negligence
The big owners don’t make any money from it. Everything is hoovered up in wages and average business models. You are doing well if you turn a profit. Those profits are pitiful by big biz standards.
The pandemic exacerbated this issue. No fans. No say over TV rights. No control over schedules. No ability to move fixtures. No control over survival. It was a nightmare that hit everyone hard.
The big push is that they feel their content is massively undervalued. Their numbers show that their ‘brands’ drive the most eyeballs and value. They are business people who care about nothing else bar profit and growth, and to their minds, the piece of pie they are getting isn’t big enough.
UEFA haven’t helped themselves. Look at the money they’ve left on the table.
Champions League winner gets £74m (if they win all their games)
Just the signing on fee for the Super League is £310m.
Minimum prize money each season is £130m up to £213m.
Clubs have to win 6 Champions League medals to make the cash delivered in year one of Super League.
Gary Neville, fan appointed slayer of this idea, to people in football, is a laughing stock. The guy that played for the richest club in England, lecturing them whilst he financially dopes a League 2 club, doesn’t fly with them.
The notion of competition to a lot of people I spoke to is also in question. How have things worked over the last decade in Italy, Greece, France, Germany and Spain? In the European Cup right now, 97% of the tournaments have been won by founding members. Is the competition good content before the quarter-finals?
It’s all quite elitist and grim to listen to if you are a romantic like most people who read blogs and listen to podcasts are.
However, as Matt on our latest pod points out (below). How did you feel after we became the best club in Europe at Highbury, only to have our hopes and dreams dashed by Russian blood money? We weren’t left behind based on merit, it was because billionaire backers swept the board in the Premier League and financially doped.
UEFA was supposed to rescue Arsenal and they didn’t. FFP was not the great hope Ivan G promised. Now they’ve been fucked because they let this get out of control.
There is also a belief that this deal is going to work out better for everyone. A stronger Premier League, because we have even better players, will make the Premier League even more appealing. That’ll raise the revenue of other teams in our collective bargain. It’ll also create a load more tax, that British clubs pay, to support a better grassroots system.
This also won’t be the last big shift. There will be a better second-tier competition, that will likely take the elitist approach of making sure there aren’t filler games with bland teams. It’ll focus on quality, because clubs can’t afford to be left behind.
That’s the thinking anyway.
What makes all the above worse is all roads point to this being pushed through without much resistance. Below are some questions I had answered by various people on the potential roadblocks being discussed.
WE’LL BAN PLAYERS FROM INTERNATIONALS
Firstly, we just lost our captain to malaria, I’m not sure clubs care too much for the schedule that ruins their talent. Secondly, UEFA and FIFA simply can’t do it. International duty is an honour, but it doesn’t put food on the table. There is no situation where the 500 best players in the world are not invited to the international tournaments, why? Because there’s no product unless the best players are there.
Imagine the options.
$500k p/w at Arsenal. No World Cup.
$100k p/w at Crystal Palace. Average Europe if you are lucky. World Cup.
No brainer.
PREMIER LEAGUE WILL EJECT BIG 6
A lovely thought, but Sky are not going to have that. It takes more than 14 votes to make a decision at Premier League level. Also, the other clubs don’t want it. The absolute last thing Steve Parish needs is the gravy train of the big 6 exiting the league. No one is paying to watch a top of the table clash between Leicester and Crystal Palace.
There’s also an alternative if they did do a madness. The Premier League is a separate entity from the Championship. The Big 6 could join forces with them and maybe the SPL. They would absolutely jump at the chance.
PLAYERS WILL PROTEST
Highly doubtful. Players will know this new deal means more money if you make it to the top. They will also soon learn that better players in the Premier League mean a bigger TV deal which means more money for them. Remember when it was an actual conversation whether players would go to shit clubs with no history for money? If you don’t, it was a real conversation.
Super League means a bigger retirement fund for everyone. Players aren’t going to vote for something that lowers their earnings potential.
REBEL TEAMS WILL BE BANNED FROM EUROPE THIS FRIDAY
How can you cancel the Champions League? How can you make the Europa League spectacle Roma vs Villareal?
Moves like that wouldn’t fly with TV or sponsors. They would also push clubs right into the Super League. UEFA and FIFA need to negotiate, they’d be foolish to go nuclear on this season.
GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION
This sounded like a good idea to me yesterday morning. It’s a populist move, it could be politically advantageous for someone like Boris who courts the working-class vote. However, it’d be quite the move for democratic nations to tell private business what they can do. It’d also be problematic to demand less money come into the country via payroll tax. Every nation is reeling, they need to pay loans back, footballer revenue is a big, big contributor.
MURDOCH INTERVENTION
This Super League move is an attack on his empire. You’ve seen the seething pundits he’s rolling out. Every newspaper in his portfolio will rally against this. He is the darkest of media moguls. I read a piece about his relationship with Zuck. He basically told him to course-correct on media payments or he’d go after him. His relentless attacks wear the powerful down, his channels make you nightly news, his sycophants get airtime on his shows parroting corrosive talking points over and over. If he gets his teeth into this, he could use the basic premise of populism to create a divide between fans and their clubs. How much stomach do CEOs have for his crew rummaging in the metaphorical bins of the past? Vinai didn’t have the stomach for a fan Q&A Sunday.
FAN POWER
This is a legitimate form of action that could be interesting. Fans could protest. They could activate social media. They could clog switchboards. They could be a real pain in the arse.
Problem? CEO Daniel Levey isn’t driving this move. CEO Vinai isn’t the decision-maker. It’s Stan, who is sitting in a £100m ranch in Colorado. You know what he’s thinking? £12 billion over 23 seasons, minimum.
There are rumours some British clubs are losing their nerve, so let’s see… but my point stands, owners of these mega clubs make the decisions. They aren’t in the stands or on twitter. They reside in palaces, ranches, and mansions where the rabble cannot bother them. Bottling it after 2 days would be a surprise.
FOOTBALL FILLIBUSTERING
The biggest weapon against all of this is time. CEOs and owners know this. If they can’t get this agreed for next season, the weight of the fans, the media, and government might be too much. Someone has to find a big wrench and slow the momentum. If you can give the fighters of this battle the weapon of time, it might be stopped.
They’re trying to go warp speed on this because once it’s done, fans in the stadium can’t do much about it. It’ll be as effective as Green & Gold or the Wenger Out protests. But clog it up, target a weak owner, and who knows?
THE GERMANY EFFECT
PSG are not committing yet, but let’s be real, no team needs this like them. However, Germany has been quiet. They are fan-owned. This is not a fan-owned vibe. Germany is not a country that readily indulges the big man taking away from the little man. A strong statement of rejection from Bayern and Dortmund would add real pressure to the other clubs.
So to conclude. This is a desperate time for those of us that believe in football the way it’s currently shaped. The meritocratic nature of the game that we love has become a squashed business model impediment. We’re now on the path to something far more stable and controlled. I don’t like it. It’s a miserable end to a journey we all knew we were on for years.
Football looks like a WWE drama from the 90s, but less fun. We’re looked at as a category of content, not a community institution. We cater to the globe, not the faithful. We now represent the worst of privilege and entrenched power.
Rooting for UEFA or FIFA is like choosing a root canal or an eye infection. Hoping a media mogul that has divided the world comes to our rescue is literally doing a deal with the devil. Praying fan action will do anything after watching it fail over and over again feels naive.
This is not the game I fell in love with, but it’s the game I love. What do you do?
Let’s see where the drama takes us.
P.S. We dropped a spicy podcast about the touchiest subject we’ve ever covered on The Arsenal Opinion. Johnny, Matt and myself were joined by Venture Capitalist, Daniel Cardenas (long-suffering Gooner).
Now that the Kroenke has exposed its fox tail, I can’t see he could still face the fans. If his secret plans of owning Arsenal fails, he may not want to continue losing money on something he has no interested in. He may just want to sell it.
“Who is buying up the rights to the Hollywood movie about this failed plot?“
Samuel L. Jackson to play Stan Kroenke?
Travolta gets Kroenke, zero question.
Herkules
Who is murdoch and how is he related to the ESL?
Arsenal out? Cant wait to see poor Vinai having to answer boatloads of questions on behalf of his employer. Would not surprise if Vinai resigns too.
Damn.. … rats are jumping ship.. everywhere …. not a good look for the Kroenke/ Perez ….Cabal.
Hahaha Yep the new look bald Travolta …. is a lock to play Stan.
Great, it’s falling apart. But the anarchist in me isn’t just satisfied to see it dead. I’d also like to see punitive sanctions on all the clubs involved. Say a 3 year ban on European competition? We’re gash anyway, so it’s not really a punishment for us, but it might be enough to break the cycle of stupid money and financial doing in football. If Real can’t afford to keep Kroos and Benzema and *have* to sell them then great. Sure, they’ll still have the biggest fan base in the world but with their existing debt they might actually need… Read more »
Report that Juventus president Andrea Agnelli has tendered his resignation.
Ooooof.
Ed is gone, Juve lad is gone. Glazers hinting they could sell up and break ties.
Who is fronting it at Arsenal?
Vinai getting fucked? Stan finally going to get pushed?
Spurs working on their compilation video of their super league highs.
So far I have:
Andy Serkis playing Ed Woodward (channeling Gollum)
Will Ferrell as Stan Kroenke
Jeff Bezos doing an uncredited cameo as Ivan Gazidis
Pierluigi Collina as Gianni Infantino
Florentino Perez as himself
Re Agnelli, the source is wank. Juve vehemently denying the report.
A boatload of bollocks/false information will come out in the next few hours/days.
Will be fascinating to see how this all unfolds though, I am sure that some heads will roll.
Agneilli news false, they own the club after all.
salparadisenyc
April 20, 2021 20:17:26
Travolta gets Kroenke, zero question.
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Travolta has already got the hair piece (which will keep production costs down.)
Vinai’s the tea boy though isn’t he? Fingers crossed that Stan gets the hump and crawls back under the stone he slithered out from.
“Spurs working on their compilation video of their super league highs.”
Its worse Sal, now Levy is going to have to face the media on the Mourinho sacking and the £10 million still owed. Spurs are screwed beyond screwed now!
I’m excited to change my moniker from a customer to a shareholder.
Make it happen Boris!
This could be the storm us gooners have been waiting for! Fuck off Stan you thieving, greedy bastard! I hope his hand is forced after this despicable move
The house is crumbling.
Arsenal will make Mike take the mic… seeing he is the special sauce and generational sauce and shit.
Time for Dangote to make his move! Offer Stan a way out!
“Everything that Pedro wrote has spectacularly gone wrong . Love to see it . Fans have spoken , Emiratesstroller its inevitable eh ?“
Nothing is done until it’s done.
Not for nothing but this one had all the signs of a trial ballon form , which is what I said in response to Jamie’s post when the news first broke.
This guy post on LG???
OMG
https://twitter.com/sportbible/status/1384486428638203907
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12280860/florentino-perez-real-madrid-president-insists-european-super-league-will-save-football-at-this-critical-moment
Somebody buy this moron a brain!
Agneli ain’t going nowhere at Juve…
Anyway back to Artetas Arsenal Army lol
Emiratesstroller this morning : There is a lot of noise, but I am willing to bet that this project will succeed. . Pedro in the blog : PLAYERS WILL PROTEST Highly doubtful. Players will know this new deal means more money if you make it to the top. They will also soon learn that better players in the Premier League mean a bigger TV deal which means more money for them. Remember when it was an actual conversation whether players would go to shit clubs with no history for money? . . I dont wanna really grind an axe or… Read more »
“This guy post on LG???”
I love it Guns!
I can’t see he could still face the fans.
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Nelson
He doesn’t give a shit, we don’t exist in his universe.
He’ll never sell us.
Levy must have already planned how to spend the £310 m he’ll be receiving from the ESL. Now he may want to hide Jose back.
Vinai Venkatesham has resigned at Arsenal.
Has he fuck.
He’s a nobody.
What an incredible development wiyh the resignation of Ed Woodward and the retraction of Chelski and Man City. I was pretty shocked by the outright greed that this ESL project is. It is just obvious that owners just wanted a bigger share of the TV rights pot for themselves. What angered me the most is that, if the ESL is created, there will be far less money filtering down to grass roots level football. This is for me one of the biggest reasons why this project should be thwarted. This decision really puts Arsenal at odds with their fans. I… Read more »
Tom
The trial was last year when they released plans of the project The Big Picture . This was their moment to do it , they made all the annoucements which got eveyone seething mad , now all of them will leave this sinking ship , forever buried under the depths of ocean.
So let me get this summarised: Some of the shrewdest business minds in the world and savviest operators in football announced a half baked approach in an explosive announcement and 48 hours later say ‘nah fvck it’
Something’s not right here
CC
Vinnai resigned 6 weeks ago. Probably in protest of this.
The billionaires underestimated the fan outrage as did certain blog writers.
Good.
If everyone who’s been part of his uproar allows UEFA and FIFA to keep fucking everyone over keeps quiet about everything going toward especially the fucking new UCL format then it’s only a matter of time in the not too distant future the big teams will come again
Good job Stroller isn’t a gambling man, given his record he’d be down at the soup kitchen by now.
“Pedro April 20, 2021 19:57:51 CC, I should have been at that top table landing the exclusive. Everything in today’s post was what they were thinking, otherwise, they wouldn’t have done it. Would LOVE to know the straw that broke the camels back.Politics? Expulsion? Fans? Sponsors?Mad that they planned this for so long and bottled it right away.” It is also possible that negotiations Involving the 12 teams and UEFA are underway hence the reasons for the backing out by Chelsea and Mancity now. many contracts will be breached(in ref to the ESL), so it is easier said than done… Read more »
If any of the “Big 6” thought they were hated outside their own fanbase, things are about to go DEFCON 1 moving forward.
Each team are going to have to go full on damage control with supporters. This am gonna be interesting!
Well ourselves and Spurs are going to be scorned and ridiculed the most when the dust finally settles on all this purely because we shouldn’t be near a “European Super League” based purely on the sporting side.
Thanks for that Stan.
Fuck off Stan.
I figured it was a ploy to try and force a better negotiation as well… but I didn’t think it would only take…. 2 days for it to start to crumble. Could be the most short lived league ever…. Still think the Spurs will hold out for a trophy.
CC
Correction, that’s false, link was incorrect.
What’d I miss?
A few folk thought this live grenade idea would work out?
The only thing that still surprises me is how many owners backed it without expecting the inevitable explosion. Bananas.
Hundreds of Chelsea fans were protesting outside their stadium today. Blocked their team bus as well.
They are also the first team to pull out of the ESL.
I thought we were supposed to be the classiest team in London.
Anyways if we dont pull out by Friday, we need to organise such protests too.
“This decision really puts Arsenal at odds with their fans.”
I think for the majority of supporters they know its not the players but totally the owner. I just hope that supporters and others realize its the owners that did this.
Bojangles
Those sanctions of banning from European competition isn’t affecting us mate not even for 3 years . We not qualifying for it whatsoever with arteta I can tell you
“Good job Stroller isn’t a gambling man, given his record he’d be down at the soup kitchen by now.”
No doubt writing up a long winded menu of choices!
Cpt Tierney – surely you are joking?
SKY wins. Fans lose. I can’t believe fans are in the street protesting their right to be dominated by Russian oligarchs and Australian born media tycoons. All emotion. Not even 5 minutes worth of actually thinking about the idiocy of the current system.
Everyone whinges about how awful the system is and then when the clubs try to fix it they scream even louder… Madness.
Captain Tierney
“I thought we were supposed to be the classiest team in London.”
Can’t be unfortunately with Kroenke running the ship.
Crafty Daniel Levy was trying to find a quick way to write off his growing stadium debt, after he lost the NFL income., It’s not been a good week for him, the annual Manager sack race used to bury the ESL news.. Still they have the Milk Cup Final to look forward to, it’s all you ever hear. State of that club.
Rambo
I’m with you something not right here, nothing makes sense today barring Woodward.
On a personal note can someone reach out to Levy and him re announce the Mourinho news so we can fully bask in it.
The ESL thing looks likes the state security arresting people the day the day after a putsch.
Lots of heads are rolling.
Who is going to pay the price at Arsenal?
Diss, I fully expect them to act like this never happened.
Like I said earlier AFC could be the only team to join and then leave a new competition without one single word uttered by a senior executive.
Jamie – the owners who have set the ESL up anticipated a huge backlash from the fans, they calculated for such, but they miscalculated hugely.
How this will pan out no one knows, but Arsenal’s name and maybe the brand is now mud along with the rest of the ‘Big Six’ who don’t backtrack tonight.
With any luck it will be the end of the Kroenkes at Arsenal.
“Who is going to pay the price at Arsenal?”
Gunnersaurus, Kroenke never did like the Green Barney!
Ernest – looking forward to tomorrow’s (lengthy) instalment of football in an alternative dimension by our friend ES.
They could’ve at least let it rolled on for a few months before they disbanded it the selfish bastards , it’s been the only bit of excitement this season at arsenal
“Diss, I fully expect them to act like this never happened.”
Bang on Andy, my thoughts as well. Its what Kroenke does as a given.
Telephone call from Colorado for Mr Dangote – calling Mr Dangote ……….
Glazers are selling hoping Kroenke might too.
There are more twists and turns left in this.
Cazorla, I know quite a few Americans, Stan isn’t representative of them but he is truly an enormous crotch stain of a cunt!
”Everyone whinges about how awful the system is and then when the clubs try to fix it they scream even louder… Madness.”
And in what way does this closed-off financially elitist league ‘fix’ the games’ problems? You still haven’t actually elaborated on this point.
Silent Stan really loves the moniker doesnt he ? Arsenal announce ” We are the founding members of ESL ” The joke is on us now. Kroenke has brought embarassment to this club , he needa to leave ASAP .
I wonder if Real Madrid president released plans before other teams were ready to announce.
I dont know about other teams in Europe but it is colossal ignorance for English teams to not understand super league would be unpopular with fans.
And i just read Woodward was due to retire this summer and he quit early to fall on sword and protect other manure execs.
Brighton’s Yves Bissuma has the highest tackle success rate in the entire Premier League. He’s pretty fearless & is so committed.
andy1886
” I fully expect them to act like this never happened.”
We are going to be reminded at every turn by others though going forward and even more so than some of the others because it was seen as undeserving.
The only way to gain back pride is to get rid of the man that took us into it.
If the blowback is huge enough and the government really intervene this will be quite tasty.
MidwestGun April 20, 2021 20:37:40
“I figured it was a ploy to try and force a better negotiation as well… but I didn’t think it would only take…. 2 days for it to start to crumble. Could be the most short lived league ever…. Still think the Spurs will hold out for a trophy.”
For once someone understands this is a chess game. the timing of the possible step-downs and statement about withdrawal is in question.
I expect to wake up tomorrow and read about this team and that team leaving, this person and that person resigning. What i also expect tomorrow is nothing from Arsenal, who deep down hope that those that backed out today have a change of heart and its on again. Then when faced with the inevitable will simply carry on as though nothing ever happened ,as Andy stated.
Its the most plausible outcome for an otherwise implausible venture. Never underestimate the power of plausible deniability.
Ernest Reed
I meant Arsenal as an institution and not the players.
On one side the club has always been pushing this idea of playing football the right way and instead we get the top brass looking to join a league that looks totally unfair and elitist in the worst possible way.
Ishola, yup, Arsenal fans will bear the brunt of this while Stan continues to have the hide of a rhinocerous.
Cazorla
Yes, the true colours of Kroenke on display. At least now we really know what he thinks of our club and our fans. It’s purely an investment project, two years in the ESL & he would have sold us.
We need to make noise to get him to sell up and bring in owners who want the club to be successful. We deserve that.
Cazorla, I think Rambo is a bit soft. Ignore.
The only way The Arsenal regain any credibility is to oust Kroenke as soon as is humanly possible.
If we truly want our Arsenal back we need to cleanse the club of this corrosive cancer.
On a side note hope toss pot Neville puts his money where is mouth is and takes a pay cut by refusing to to comment or attend any arsenal match for sky considering he’d rather watch San Marino . If I was on Twitter I’d tweet the ugly fuckwit that
If anyone is mates with ES can you let him know I’ve got some shares in Shergar for him if he’s interested?
Amazon/Sky/BT all publicly going against it. Who exactly was going to pay all the fat TV money required to bring the money into the league? Apple TV? Disney+? Also the international fan response has been negative. It’s gone.
Ultimately this whole fkn thing was about baling out Real/ Barca and Spurs
“I meant Arsenal as an institution and not the players.”
I understood your meaning Legendary.
“Which is why we fans must not allow him to be part of our club any more.”
Was he ever?
andy1886.
I think ES is off to make billions with the falling shares of ManUTD. I wont bet on it though.
We cannot move on until that rat Kroenke is gone …
“Who exactly was going to pay all the fat TV money required to bring the money into the league? ”
DAZN, who else? They love rocking the boat.
Oh dear. Is Pedro backing a knackered horse again? 😂
The super league was never going to happen. Not yet anyway and not without Bayern for sure.
Hopefully we announce our disconnect soon.
I think it would take at least $6 billion to make Stan think about it. But he doesn’t do things because of public perception.. I mean the way he exited St Louis was embarrassing as fuck.. and he lost every lawsuit against him from the vendors and season ticket holders and the city … it just didn’t matter to him, he paid them off and carried on. This is on a whole other level though.. so …. I suppose there is a chance, probably best one there ever will be.. timing is perfect for a house cleaning from the owner… Read more »
Wow, what a day. These people are so inept and so I sure of themselves. How can you plan something for so long and bottle it in 48 hours? I can understand why so many of these teams are in financial difficulty. They make choices with out really thinking it through. You have got to have your house in order and make sure everyone is on board if you are going against the very notion of competitive sport. Chelsea rolled and I expect city to do the same tomorrow. Ed wood ward also getting sacked is huge news. He doesn’t… Read more »
Wait, does this still mean we are 9th and looking in from the outside again?
#KroenkeOut . Needs to happen now , Or it will never happen.
Kroenke out protest… Emirates…6pm Friday…
Eagle – the ESL mucked up their comms horribly – I totally admit that. But the truth is that absolutely no-one making comments in public today know what the ESL had in mind long term. The first 12 teams were only a start. They explicitly said it would grow year over year – and that top clubs not in the founding group would be added based on success. Everyone whinges about the “American” model – but the NBA and NFL were built by clubs, not bureaucracies, and are vastly successful. Loved worldwide. Players are protected by an active union that… Read more »
Cazorla
I concur.
The fans have spoken.
Let’s kick those frigging yanks out.
MidWest, Stan has some problems on the horizon with his bloated investment in SoFi Stadium that continues to bleed cash as it stays empty for the foreseeable future. He may consider AFC as a liquid asset that can be used to prop up KSE in the meantime.
Not saying he will sell, but he clearly had every intention of ESL and likely for some time. The loss of that revenue stream may trigger other events?
Ah yes Cazorla, the LeGrove Derby!!!
andy 1886 I don’t get the point of your cynical comments. First of all I have never invested in football shares and never would do so. As far as I am concerned it is a loss leader. Second if you read carefully what I posted, which unfortunately people like you never do I was never a fan of the ESL. What I said was that this has been on the agenda for a very long time and was discussed with me as early as 1980s. Third I made the case that if the ESL was going to proceed I would… Read more »
ES my first game had Jack in goal he was my hero then he could kick that heavy ball miles.
We were sent down to the front of the pitch as all boys were by the crowd packers.
60,000 crowds amazing days .
I think all owners underestimated the reaction of the fans. They thought that they would just shut up and support the idea without blinking (and pay through the nose to attend).
I hope Kroenke gets badly burned by this. (If this could make him sell up, this would be even better).
Spanishdave
Yes Jack Kelsey was also my hero as well.
He kept us on more than one occasion in the first division when we had a poor team.
There are far too many fairweather supporters who post on here and seem to expect Arsenal
to win the title even when it is blindingly obvious that we are not good enough.
A proper supporter takes the rough with the smooth.
Earning that Invincibles title was one of the best feelings that football has ever given any Arsenal fan. And it wasn’t because it was handed to us. It was because we had an amazing group of players that competed and had the attitude to never lose. They earned that name. If this super league had come to fruition then nobody would earn anything. The joy of being a fan is waiting till your team gets it right again and you get to see success through smart planning and destroying every competition there is. Liverpool waited for a title for 30… Read more »
Wiglaf, I thought it was over. No doubt.
Stroller, I think that you misunderstand, the Shergar thing was suggesting that you backed the wrong horse and were somewhat guible along the way. Nothing to do with football shares.
Anyway, I admit that I did get on your cases somewhat unnecessarily so I’ll apologise to you for that.
After all, as football fans I think that we all won today.
are we officially out now?
Image.
1972, Edgar Street.
Hereford beat Newcastle United 2-1. Fans up in trees watching it all unfold.
Kids in Parker coats charge onto the pitch to celebrate Ronnie Radfords stunning strike.
That you greedy, ignorant bastard is what football is all about, it’s not about building an extension onto that massive ranch of yours out in Texas.
Piss off kroenke!
Has Pedro flip flopped again? 😂😂😂