Time to remember the bigger picture

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News hit the tweetwaves via David Ornstein that Arsenal had 3 false negatives for the ‘rona before the Manchester City game. Sounds like our preparation was far from ideal. Not that we were going to beat City under any scenario, but you do have to say, lady luck has not been sprinkling magic stardust on this seasons re-opener.

It’s been interesting reading around the internet, taking in the various opinions people have on our two straight losses. I think most are fairly understanding that this particular moment we’re in far from ideal and has been exacerbated by the virus.

Think about the uniqueness of our shitty situation. We’ve had 3 major injuries in two games (3 impact). We have a suspension after another sending off. We have contract issues with 4 players that could be off at the end of the month. Arguably, our two best players have a year left to go on their deals. We asked all our players to take pay cuts and all the players know the club is in deep shit this summer, so there is rampant uncertainty that no amount of motivation would assuage.

This is not a normal situation for any manager to have to deal with, especially one with zero experience, but you know what, I’m pretty confident we’ll be better for it in the long run. Some of the criticisms simply don’t hold weight when you look at how other clubs are dealing with new managers that have picked up shit shows midseason. Carlo A is still behind us in the league, Jose Mourinho can’t make an impact at Spurs, OGS who has had quite a while at United is only 6 points ahead of us in 5th, and to repeat… Klopp took Liverpool 10th to 8th in his first season.

I still stand by the move to bring in Arteta. We’re a club that needs to find its ground zero and build back up with limited funds. You’re not hiring a Poch for £15m a year to make something from nothing. We hired in a young coach that understands the club. That’s important because it allows you get people onside quicker and you have some capital with the fans. I don’t think it’s in doubt that the vibes around Arsenal have been largely positive. Players, staff, and leaks I’ve had point to a united camp.

As a person, he seems like the right fit. He’s calm, has a good energy about him, and he takes absolute responsibility for the club. He doesn’t throw people under the bus, he doesn’t bitch about what he doesn’t have, he’s always positive. If you think that is standard, wait until Jose gets his feet under the table at Spurs

I also think he’s consistent in his approach. He has a set of standards that he believes in and so far, he’s holding players accountable. We haven’t had that for a long time. If you don’t put in a shift, you won’t play. If you throw a strop, you are dropped. If you perform well in training, you’ll land a chance. The key part of his more disciplined approach is that there is forgiveness out the other end. Matteo stormed out of a training camp, now he’s playing. Pepe was benched, then brought back. Mesut Ozil will probably land some game time. This sort of consistent leadership is more important than ever right now, when it’d be easier to just bring Aaron Ramsey in from the cold and make yourself look weak and dithery. Leadership is easy when things are going well, your mettle and resolve is only truly tested during that bad times. Arteta cannot cave on his values right now because that’d doom his tenure.

Also, it’s important to remember, the coaching is best in class. Sure, he’s not experienced as a manager, but that was always going to be the case. What he has is the ability to develop players, bring joy to the training ground, and innovate so everyone is sharp. One thing is for sure though, great coaching can’t stop players being dopes. It can’t stop Champions League winner losing his head because he’s upset about his deal. It can’t help a World Cup winner do dim things. It can’t make someone walk through walls when they can see the end of their loan deal coming.

The toolkit is more broken than ever, the world of sport has been turned on its head, we just need to escape this season without taking too many damaging head blows. That includes a set of vocal fans calling time on a manager that hasn’t hit 15 Premier League games yet.

That’s why Arteta has been given a long deal. The club are going to rebuild with a young manager that has it all to prove. Businesses do this all the time. It is absolutely standard practice for big tech firms to poach number 2s, give them a big title at a smaller company, and hope that the magic sprinkles come their way. That’s vision.

I think it’s the best decision Edu and Raul have made thus far, I just don’t think you’ll fee sexy about it until Arteta has been given time to weed out the dross and bring in players that fit the bill of where he wants to take the football.

Also, always worth peppering the propaganda with some reality. He’s a young coach, he will make mistakes, some of his experiments aren’t going to work… we will lose games. He’ll get it right in the end though, I think the base ingredients are strong enough, so I’m still excited. You should be too.

On that note, I’ll see you in the comments. x

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Guns of SF

first

Guns of SF

hahhaahah i did it!

grooveydaddy

Tr4phy

grooveydaddy

Trophy x 2

Tom

Was Mari’s an impact injury?

Valentin

4th

grooveydaddy

2nd time lucky 🙂

Valentin

Damn

Dissenter

Pedro
So now you agree that Arteta has ZERO experience?
How refreshing

CG

PedRo

“”””As a person, he seems like the right fit. He’s calm, has a good energy about him, and he takes absolute responsibility for the club. He doesn’t throw people under the bus, he doesn’t bitch about what he doesn’t have, he’s always positive.”””””

He is younger version of our Wenger then.

Lets persist with him.
Arteta In.

Guns of SF

Pedro, We know you are high on Arteta but that does not excuse his mistakes. He has made a few so far and costly ones Does he always have to say “yes” in public to be positive and a nice chap? No.. This is what some of us were saying about him… he is a company man. How strong is he to stand up to the powers in the club? I understand he wants to get his feet wet coaching his former club but at what expense? Do whatever they tell him? Ex. He should not have influenced the pay… Read more »

Ishola70

Arteta is going to get critiqued.

He was critiqued in his first match and he will be continued to be so.

Every game. No free passes in any match. Under scrutiny every match.

And that’s how it should be and that’s the way of it now in top flight football.

They are all under the microscope. Every match.

MD-Gunner

After the break tinker with formation, play players out of position, Qzil not in the squad, Ozil on the bench, bereft of midfield creativity, Ozil plays now where have I seen that before. After Emery’s first year we should have changed managers but by the latest at the December break while we still look attractive enough to get a decent manager. Now we will not get a new decent manager because of lack of funds and problems at the club. So maybe Arteta was the only one willing to take on this problem club. So stick with him we are… Read more »

Buzzy

Easily the worst post I’ve ever read on Le-grove. Boring and biased!

Receding Hairline

“Arteta is going to get critiqued.He was critiqued in his first match and he will be continued to be so.Every game. No free passes in any match. Under scrutiny every match.And that’s how it should be and that’s the way of it now in top flight football.They are all under the microscope. Every match.”

Simply put

No agenda anywhere, just good old fashioned criticism and praise when each is due. If we lost both games giving our all the criticism would not be anywhere as harsh

Ishola70

From the previous post it is very debatable to term Xhaka and Ozil as our “best” players.

Xhaka is not a world class midfielder.

Ozil hasn’t been a world class AM for a while now.

The player who can be termed the “best” in the team is Aubameyang despite the criticism he gets. The only one who has a shout at being classified as world class at the specific thing he does scoring goals. His numbers show that.

Sid

A more diplomatic tone,
surprise, suprise the in your face tone is being toned down,
Reality sinking in

Upstate Gooner

“Klopp took Liverpool 10th to 8th in his first season.”

Klopp had Benteke. Arteta has Aubameyang (and Lacazette).

Guns of SF

Arteta is managing the greatest club in the world.
He needs to be criticized. Yes… its part of the game.

you think the great coaches went without?

As Valentin posted last week, there are good coaches,and good managers. Sometimes the 2 are mutually exclusive.

We are not winning, so maybe MA is better at being a manager?

He just needs to win games to change his perception and right now is the critical time to do it.

Kenyangunner

We all want Arteta to succeed.
Not looking good now, but who knows the tide could change.

MidwestGun

From previous post and I think it’s still relevant. CG….”Wenger has spoiled them all. You have sampled caviar for 2 decades.” —————– “No my friends, the sycophants that supported Wenger’s prolonged tenure are getting what they deserve. Wenger held onto power too long, he crashed the culture, he didn’t innovate, he held on to average staff, he spent bad money after bad money, he didn’t get contracts right… and then we doubled down on a terrible succession plan.” ———– This. Your caviar was rotten fish eggs in the end. And we haven’t done anything to fix it really. Made a… Read more »

Terraloon

Coaching best in class?

What is there to back up this statement?

Batistuta

All the excuses in the world won’t matter if the manager doesn’t start getting wins under his belt in my opinion. Also interesting that all the proponents of “style” have quite conveniently not brought that up since the new manager took charge, that has to be something that needs to cone to the forefront, the style the manager wants to implement, there doesn’t seem to be one almost a dozen games in and that’s worrying. Even if it’s not perfect due to the manager not having his own players in yet, we should be able to at least see a… Read more »

Wasi

Guns ‘The situation with Ozil- the board says freeze him out…’ Like Valentin are you also in on inside club dealings? Also when we first hired Emery , there was a lot of noise among the papers that Arteta wanted more power at the club ( in transfers and in decision making ) and that was also one of the reasons Emery was hired then. ‘SO there are some questions.. I do hope that this summer he has a say in who to get- Raul and Edu need to consult with him, unlike Emery where we picked some shit to… Read more »

Wasi

Ishola

Leno is just as good in the GK department as Auba is in the ST department . Maybe even better.

Batistuta

Chelsea raking in 15 million from Atlanta from Pasallic. They’d probably recoup half of their outlay on Ziyech and Werner plus the wages of Pedro and Willian off their books at the end of the season.

Say what you want about them but they look so much better run than our unfortunate football club

Batistuta

I mean they got Werner and Ziyech in one summer, now both players might not set the league alight but that’s two of the hottest players in the world and they got them without minimal fuss and not having to pay over the odds while we’re busy struggling to convince an 18yr old to extend his contract and have folks talking up the merits of having Granit Xhaka and Mesut Ozil in our starting 11. This is the year 2020 by the way and that is somehow supposed to be the spine of our team, quite sad

Ishola70

I don’t think any sensible fan is questioning the appointment of Arteta this early to the extent that they want him gone already or wish he was never hired. It’s far too early.

What some might have a little problem with though is the idea that Arteta can’t be criticised this early.

Oh yes he can. As we have seen. Most definitely.

Some better get used to that.

He is with the big boys now and it’s on him from day one.

Thank you and goodnight

@dissenter

No mate, 2007 was the year kroenke took over Arsenal FC
2007-2020 We are now registered as a circus full of clowns.

Ishola70

Wasi
“Leno is just as good in the GK department as Auba is in the ST department”

I agree that Leno as well could be seen as better for the team than Xhaka and Ozil so that is two players ahead of them in Auba and Leno.

But as for the term of world class or at least a shout at it I’d have to have Auba a bit higher than Leno just for the fact that he has put up numbers for several seasons.

Receding Hairline

“folks talking up the merits of having Granit Xhaka and Mesut Ozil in our starting 11. This is the year 2020 by the way and that is somehow supposed to be the spine of our team, quite sad”

The state of things really

Wasi

‘But as for the term of world class or at least a shout at it I’d have to have Auba a bit higher than Leno just for the fact that he has put up numbers for several seasons.’

Agree with that. I think if Leno keeps playing like he has for 2 more years and cuts back on his mistakes ( which he has) then he can and should be labelled world class

Gonsterous

Maybe arteta shouldn’t be involved in the transfer if he’s asking for players like mari and soares.
Just had over a list of where the team’s priority position needs fixing, and hand it over to raul and edu. Get them to find a player and then arteta and have a look at him. That maybe best because so far artetas signings have all been duds. (And he still wants them to join permanently )

Receding Hairline

Batistuta Chelsea have always been a well run club when it comes to transfers, always liked the speed with which they pursue targets and close deals.

Thank you and goodnight

Soares= brokenback MK2

Great signing, if that was an Arteta signing we should all start praying

Ishola70

The excuses about covid don’t hold much water either.

It’s the same for everyone. Everyone is in the same boat.

Arteta will be scrutinised every game until the seasons end and then with a new season comes a new slate and he gets put under scrutiny again.

It’s healthy.

What is not healthy is to just wave present games away and keep going on about a future no-one knows which way it will pan out. Must live in the here and now rather than chasing rainbows of the future.

Terraloon

Batistuta I mentioned the other day that he was to be sold alongside Morata and Moses they will be getting circa £75 million add to that they have , for a financial settlement, agreed not take up a buy back for another player. In effect these transactions are paying for Werner and Zileych. ER told us the other day that Chelsea were in financial difficulty . I suspect that they haven’t finished with their incomings yet nor come to that their outgoings but one thing we know is they will extract decent fees and rarely allow players who they want… Read more »

Tom

Upstate GoonerJune 22, 2020 16:07:11 “Klopp took Liverpool 10th to 8th in his first season.”Klopp had Benteke. Arteta has Aubameyang (and Lacazette). Upstate Milner ( utility player) and Lalana ( a fringe player at best) are two players still left from Klopp’s starting eleven in his first game in charge at Liverpool. If the best, or second best PL manager needed four years and a TOTAL rebuild of an already better squad ( according to Pedro)to win the PL , then what does that say about Arteta’s chances and the time frame? It kinda puts the whole “Arsenal are just… Read more »

Thank you and goodnight

Yeah but Abramovich and usmanov are gangsters…..blah blah blah , not like kroenke. How much have Chelsea won in the last 17 years since russkies been here, then compare it to what arsenal have won under kroenke’s stewardship. At least 2 of those FA cup trophies where down to easy draws.

CG

Wasi

“””””CG Now stick with Arteta and give him time.””””””

If Luiz signs on.
He is finished.

CG

Midwest Gun

Re: Wenger

What we are really seeing really now is how great a manager Wenger truly was.

He lasted 22 years.
This one might not last 22 games.

Totally clueless, if you don’t think our Wenger was a titan of a manager.

Ishola70

CG
“If Luiz signs on.
He is finished.”

https://talksport.com/football/720388/arsenal-mikel-arteta-david-luiz-new-contract-perry-groves/

I hope for Arteta’s sake that he makes the right decision.

Sid

Klopp who won bundesliga and reached CL finals and gets money for transfers needed 4 years and new starting 11…

Arteta will need 8 years minimum

You heard it here 1st!

Dissenter

It’s as clear as night and day, Pedro and the Arteta fan club oversold him.

Like I pointed out yesterday, a true disciple of Pep Guardiola would be doing better with five opportunities to make substitutions and 2-3 water breaks to impart information to players.
Not Arteta because he sat on his arse and couldn’t fathom meaningful subs in 90 minutes. Lets no sugar-coat hos rookie mistake, we need to call it what it is.

CG

Ishola

“”””””I hope for Arteta’s sake that he makes the right decision.”””””

Of all the decisions , MA has to make.
Surely this is one is going to be the easiest he will ever have to.

Luiz lasted 26 minutes at the Bridge before red.
Luiz lasted 25 minutes at Man City before red.
Luiz gave away a penalty at Anfield( lucky not to get red)

Pretty easy decision to me.

Dissenter

CG
What about Pablo Mari?
Gimme a CG style review

MidwestGun

What is not healthy is to just wave present games away and keep going on about a future no-one knows which way it will pan out. Must live in the here and now rather than chasing rainbows of the future. ______ I’m not waving them away.. but I don’t put much stock in the current games in front of empty stands, in the middle of the summer on a dead season. As for the future. Fail to plan…. Plan to fail. We should have a plan in place to rebuild the midfield or it will be more of the same.… Read more »

andy1886

“great coaching can’t stop players being dopes”

No, that would be man-management, another prerequisite for the job. I’m guessing that coming out to say that you want to give the dope an extended contract doesn’t help either.

MA will make mistakes, doesn’t mean he’s terrible but trying to brush them under the carpet isn’t going to help.

Batistuta

Receding

Hard not to be jealous at how they run their transfer business at the bridge. It’s not perfect and they’ll always be hits and misses as with other transfers at other clubs but they get it right most times and the results that have followed in terms of trophies is hard to argue against. I mean they even took Fabregas for 2 seasons and won the league with him while we dwiddled because for some reason we had Ozil and that would stuffle him or something along those lines.

CG

Dis

“”””CG What about Pablo Mari?
Gimme a CG style review”””

No. You will get me into trouble.

ps. Utter garbage/Lump of lard/Zombie Club strikes again etc.

Dissenter

Midwest “As for the future. Fail to plan…. Plan to fail. We should have a plan in place to rebuild the midfield or it will be more of the same. Kind of like later day Wenger when he treated the transfer windows like the plague. And basically just went panic buying with no thoughts to our needs in mind. Let’s get Petr Cech because he lives in London and … ohh I don’t know…how about an Elneny sounds good. You can’t just wing it.. I don’t need rainbows.. just a solid feeling that things will get better. Does Pablo Mari… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

Pedro

See my post on previous thread at 10.25.

You are expressing similar views.

What has not been also not discussed is the ridiculous fixture scheduling for
Arsenal with 3 fixtures in 8 days. Why is it that we had to play Brighton 2.5
days after Man City and Man City have 5 clear days to recover?

The Media stations have on far too many occasions given us a poor timetabling and considering the current level of fitness this is totally unrealistic.

Versus

Wow. Just wow. Looks like Pedro is more deluded (respectfully) than we thought. At this point there’s nothing left to argue or do except just play it out. The beautiful thing about football is that it’s a results based bussiness. So we can all throw our opinions around all day long. In the end. If MA loses 3-4 more games he’s done. The fans will turn and the club will not (and have not) give him the resources he would need to bring success. I think he’s finished already. Also if Everton finish ahead of us he’s failed miserably. He… Read more »

Ishola70

Midwest

In today’s football world at the top end you just simply can’t wave away matches.

You can be focused on the here and now and have a future plan.

They don’t have to be separate entities.

And if you don’t focus on the here and now that planned future can be put in jeopardy and thrown up in the air.

It’s dangerous to just write off matches.

Wasi

CG

I agree with you. Letting Luiz go should be the easiest decision. From a sporting as well as getting the fans onside perspective.

GunnerDNA

All excuse would hold weight if the entire article was referring to Charlton Athletic. We are however discussing a top 10 sports organization in the world. Numbers never lie, and it’s clear to see to date that the Arsenal job is too big for Arteta. That’s no disrespect to the kid, it’s just the harsh reality. When he was hired there’s no way he was told that he’s doing on the job training. What I like though is that he seems like a kid who would walk away before damaging his reputation.

MidwestGun

Diss-
Why you obsessed with Pablo Mari? Pretty sure that was a buy in the middle of season when our cb’s were falling like flies. Think Saliba was the buy for the future, no?

Batistuta

Terraloon They definitely don’t seem to be done transfer wise especially with FFP now relaxed, they look better poised to take full advantage of that. If they could get someone else in midfield asides Kante who can tackle and also dictate the game and get a good enough partner for Rudiger, you’d fancy them to push Pool and City all the way. Same for United too, a couple of tweaks especially in midfield and someone else in defence and you feel attack wise they’re going to be explosive enough 9/10 times. We on the other hand have so many problems… Read more »

MidwestGun

Ishola-
Not waving them away.. just not using them as a baseline measure. This season is not normal. Somebody actually said our performance against City was our worst one ever in our history. I mean come on.

Batistuta

Emirates

The players have basically been on holidays since March and been back in training for almost a month now, don’t think 2 games in 4/5 days can be used as an excuse for poor performances, it’s not like these players haven’t had to deal with such schedules before

Globalgunner

Arteta was hired because things were not going well with Emery and we believed a new manager would do better with the existing squad. If 6 months and 15 games later things have not improved it means he is no better than the coach we hired. If he needs better players to improve, then maybe Emery did too. Its pretty much on record that Emery did not get the actual players he asked for. We gave him Pepe when he wanted Zaha. Arteta was hired on the basis of hope and expectation. Not on anything substantial that anyone can point… Read more »

Batistuta

Pablo Mari is slow, that’s like the one thing you can’t be in the premier league especially when whoever he’s partnered with isn’t exactly stable themselves. We could get away with it with Mertesacker but he read the game well and had an 8/10 Koscienly beside him most if the time

Dissenter

Midwest,
“Why you obsessed with Pablo Mari? Pretty sure that was a buy in the middle of season when our cb’s were falling like flies. Think Saliba was the buy for the future, no?”
Because he’s going to cost as much as 14 million, if you believe the tabloids.
We have enough average defenders and shouldn’t be stocking up on more of the same, more so when we supposedly don’t have enough money.

Globalgunner

“Pedro”. no offence meant

GunnerDNA

Global

“Arteta was hired because things were not going well with Emery and we believed a new manager would do better with the existing squad. If 6 months and 15 games later things have not improved it means he is no better than the coach we hired”

Exactly!

MidwestGun

Pfffft.. Idk.. For me, the jury is still out about Arteta and transfer influence.. But Mari for me is a nothing burger.. He just got here and we needed a backup we were down to Mustafi and Luiz. I mean Xhaka played CB once.

I agree though Luiz shouldn’t be resigned. On that much I do agree with CG.

Ishola70

Pedro must be praised though when he buttons up those that can’t see or admit that Wenger was allowed to stay on too long.

He doesn’t take any nonsense in that regard which is good.

MidwestGun

Yep.. Pedro was right about Wenger’s decline, Right about Emery not being good enough, Wrong about Gazidis… Jury is still out on his Raul and Arteta position. But like most of us.. he is right about many things and wrong about other things.. Also this is not a court of law.. so I don’t care about hypocrisy or hyperbole.. It’s what makes Le Grove interesting to read. People taking Pedro to task about fairness and whatnot.. meh it’s his Blog and he’s a great writer not a news organization where you have to have some semblance of objectivity.

MD-Gunner

From the Athletic an interesting article. Lampard the manager handles pressure of the run-in like Lampard the player However, given a lack of experience, nobody is yet entirely sure how Lampard copes with it as a manager. This is significant because there will be a lot of questions asked of him over the next six weeks as Chelsea try to qualify for the Champions League via the Premier League and attempt to win the FA Cup, too. It was fitting that Lampard provided a bit of an answer at Villa Park. He made two key substitutions in the second half… Read more »

Ernest Reed

“I don’t think any sensible fan is questioning the appointment of Arteta this early to the extent that they want him gone already or wish he was never hired. It’s far too early.”

You wouldn’t know that Ishola, given the incessant commentary from some on here, day after day. The behaviour of some has been beyond toxic.

Ishola70

MD Gunner

“If Chelsea get Chillwell then they will be a force to recon with and with their attacking talent a joy to watch.”

It will be a while yet though before they are a real serious side.

Lamps is obviously setting his attack up first.

But they still have a lot to do on their defence.

Aston Villa created enough clear chances on them the other the other night.

Ernest Reed

“Totally clueless, if you don’t think our Wenger was a titan of a manager”

Interesting that you always use the words “our Wenger”, CG. He’s anything but that to 99.9% of those choosing to move forward. I prefer simply not to refer to him at all, given the state he left the club in when he was deservedly sacked.

Dissenter

Ernest Reed
What’s toxic about being an Arteta skeptic?
That’s what makes this place tick. There wee posters who wanted another Spanish manager sacked 13 games into his tenure.

Dissenter

*There were posters who wanted another Spanish manager sacked 13 games into his tenure.

Dissenter

I have to say it’s toxic to keep bashing Wenger.
I mean Wenger would never entertain giving the likes of David Luiz a 2 year deal at 33 years old.
Let the man be, Every Wenger error is being recreated at the club even though he is long gone.

MidwestGun

Only reason Wenger bashing goes on .. is because a certain commenter goes on about it daily on here. Trying to rehash history and you well know that Diss. No Wenger wouldn’t sign Luiz .. he would sign nobody at all. and we would be playing Tierney at CB.

englandsbest

The bigger picture is football itself

Ishola70

Ernest Reed ”You wouldn’t know that Ishola, given the incessant commentary from some on here, day after day. The behaviour of some has been beyond toxic.” There definitely looks like there is some afters regarding Emery as some have implied on here. Posters that think Emery was lambasted to ridiculous levels and tbh some of the stuff thrown at Emery was going beyond the pale. He failed in the end as other managers have done but you would have thought he had commited genocide. And a lot of the over the top stuff aimed at him was the ones still… Read more »

Ernest Reed

“What’s toxic about being an Arteta skeptic?”

Its toxic when you base it on so little to go from. 13 games for crying out loud and one can hear the sound of a grinder going against the knives that many want to put into Arteta’s back. All that i am saying is to give the man a fair chance, honesty a fair chance. Some of you are beyond ridiculous with your words.

Ernest Reed

I supported Emery Ishola, until it became obvious that he completely lost the plot. I am supporting Arteta with the same outlook, wishing him nothing but success. Time will tell, but as with Emery, i will not lambaste either for failures. Nothing, in my mind, even comes close to the abject failure that was One Arsene Wenger. His was a classic train wreck in super slow motion that took 10+ years to unfold.

whiteydagooner

Haven’t seen a better goal scored post lock down than Pepe’s…

Ernest Reed

“I mean Wenger would never entertain giving the likes of David Luiz a 2 year deal at 33 years old.
Let the man be, Every Wenger error is being recreated at the club even though he is long gone.”

Everything about your statement is so patently absurd, Dissenter. If watching the super slow motion train wreck that was Wenger did nothing to you, then you are clearly a better person for it all.

MD-Gunner

Pedro,

We don’t have the same atmosphere at Aesenal. Don’t know if the players love MA the way Chelsea players love Lamps. Certainly Abramowitch believes in Lamps because he is willing to spend big time and he is not even in attendance,

Comment from the Athletic “Brighton have never been victorious in the Premier League from 1-0 down in 25 attempts — and with 30,000 fans behind them inside the Amex Stadium.”

That being the case it comes down to pure raw game management and player commitment. Brighton > Arsenal.

Ishola70

Ernest Reed
“I supported Emery Ishola, until it became obvious that he completely lost the plot.”

Yep same here.

But we know that there were ones who had the knives out real early for Emery and we see the same with Arteta now.

Ishola70

And you have the ones of course who are never going to be happy post Wenger. Never.

Wenger was Arsenal for them.

When Wenger left Arsenal died for them but of course they won’t admit to it.

CG perhaps.

Ernest Reed

On that i fully understand and am aware, Ishola. God-Like worship and as with any false prophet, they leave collateral carnage behind when they are found to be – mortally flawed. Lost souls anyone?

Wasi

According to Flamengo president , Mari is here permanently.

Spanishdave

We are in a downward spiral and Arteta cannot seem to stop it.
So far there seems to be no plan , the team constantly changes, players go missing and favorites have appeared.
We have to grind out results to stabilize the situation and he is not capable of doing it.
It’s a mess that goes right through the club.

Wasi

A stat showing how biased the refs have been.

Arsenal earn a card on average for every 4.4 fouls. For Liverpool that’s one per 8.5 fouls Man Utd 5.9 Chelsea 5.7 City 5.0 Spurs 4.7 Our opponents get cards for every 5.6 fouls they commit against us Liverpool 6.3 Man Utd 5.0 City 4.9 Spurs 5.2 Chelsea 4.6 [@Orbinho]

Habesha Gooner

What drives me Crazy in any coach is when that coach plays players out of position to fit in another player. If you have no scarcity of players, You should play everyone in their position. I wouldn’t like A C.F playing winger, I also wouldn’t want a CM on the wing, A right back playing left back and so much other crap. play everyone in their Natural positions and Then you can rotate those players. If Arteta thinks Martinelli and Saka are Left wingers, then one of them has to start. The C.Fs would be Aubameyang, Lacazette, Nketiah. Then they… Read more »

jwl

Pedro has such an open mind about Arteta that his brain has fallen out. If Arteta was as good as advertised, we would be playing considerably better already since he’s had a pre season with players now to implement ideas. Top class managers make players better than sum of their parts and Arteta is failure at that, people already making excuses for him.

englandsbest

It’s hard to see premier league football (as we know it) surviving empty stadiums. The lack of gate money will have an immediate impact, and clubs with huge wage-bills will plunge deep in debt . But the bigger issue is not money, it is whether football, the most-watched sport, will lose its appeal. Is crowd participation an integral ingredient of football’s popularity?

rollen

I think he got little new manager bounce in few first games like Manure. Now looks like players had given up just like with Emery. Can’t see any improvement other than better communication and public speaking. All old Wenger crap and softness is still here.

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

I agree if he keeps luiz on then Arteta has been cooked.

Fuck this season
Rot out the rotters stinking the gaff.

Lodge all the scum out.

Habesha Gooner

My opinion on Arteta has been going down a bit since he started. The first few weeks we were playing with an identity, But now I see traits in Arteta that I hated in Wenger. Certain players can’t be dropped, Seeing elite potential in players that have shown they are okay so far, Marginalizing some youngsters to teach them a lesson no body knows, And Playing players out of position. The last two games and the few weeks before the COVID shutdown have looked like latter year Wenger rather than Prime pep Guardiola. Still He deserves time like any new… Read more »

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Maybe it weren’t Wenger who fucked the club…

Oh wait he agreed Ozil contract…

CG

Earnest Reed. (Great that you are back punching again) But if you want to see train wrecks. You see what will unfold in the next 6 months. Next year is just about surviving relegation And the year after, And the year after that, until we go. (Wenger will still be getting the blame for it off course ) Wenger left 68 games ago. 4 managers later £250 million spent Injuries still occurring. Players still not being signed. Arsenal still not able to beat Brighton after 4 attempts. Possession stats down 40% Wenger made modern Arsenal and you will now see… Read more »

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