Time to remember the bigger picture

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News hit the tweetwaves via David Ornstein that Arsenal had 3 false negatives for the ‘rona before the Manchester City game. Sounds like our preparation was far from ideal. Not that we were going to beat City under any scenario, but you do have to say, lady luck has not been sprinkling magic stardust on this seasons re-opener.

It’s been interesting reading around the internet, taking in the various opinions people have on our two straight losses. I think most are fairly understanding that this particular moment we’re in far from ideal and has been exacerbated by the virus.

Think about the uniqueness of our shitty situation. We’ve had 3 major injuries in two games (3 impact). We have a suspension after another sending off. We have contract issues with 4 players that could be off at the end of the month. Arguably, our two best players have a year left to go on their deals. We asked all our players to take pay cuts and all the players know the club is in deep shit this summer, so there is rampant uncertainty that no amount of motivation would assuage.

This is not a normal situation for any manager to have to deal with, especially one with zero experience, but you know what, I’m pretty confident we’ll be better for it in the long run. Some of the criticisms simply don’t hold weight when you look at how other clubs are dealing with new managers that have picked up shit shows midseason. Carlo A is still behind us in the league, Jose Mourinho can’t make an impact at Spurs, OGS who has had quite a while at United is only 6 points ahead of us in 5th, and to repeat… Klopp took Liverpool 10th to 8th in his first season.

I still stand by the move to bring in Arteta. We’re a club that needs to find its ground zero and build back up with limited funds. You’re not hiring a Poch for £15m a year to make something from nothing. We hired in a young coach that understands the club. That’s important because it allows you get people onside quicker and you have some capital with the fans. I don’t think it’s in doubt that the vibes around Arsenal have been largely positive. Players, staff, and leaks I’ve had point to a united camp.

As a person, he seems like the right fit. He’s calm, has a good energy about him, and he takes absolute responsibility for the club. He doesn’t throw people under the bus, he doesn’t bitch about what he doesn’t have, he’s always positive. If you think that is standard, wait until Jose gets his feet under the table at Spurs

I also think he’s consistent in his approach. He has a set of standards that he believes in and so far, he’s holding players accountable. We haven’t had that for a long time. If you don’t put in a shift, you won’t play. If you throw a strop, you are dropped. If you perform well in training, you’ll land a chance. The key part of his more disciplined approach is that there is forgiveness out the other end. Matteo stormed out of a training camp, now he’s playing. Pepe was benched, then brought back. Mesut Ozil will probably land some game time. This sort of consistent leadership is more important than ever right now, when it’d be easier to just bring Aaron Ramsey in from the cold and make yourself look weak and dithery. Leadership is easy when things are going well, your mettle and resolve is only truly tested during that bad times. Arteta cannot cave on his values right now because that’d doom his tenure.

Also, it’s important to remember, the coaching is best in class. Sure, he’s not experienced as a manager, but that was always going to be the case. What he has is the ability to develop players, bring joy to the training ground, and innovate so everyone is sharp. One thing is for sure though, great coaching can’t stop players being dopes. It can’t stop Champions League winner losing his head because he’s upset about his deal. It can’t help a World Cup winner do dim things. It can’t make someone walk through walls when they can see the end of their loan deal coming.

The toolkit is more broken than ever, the world of sport has been turned on its head, we just need to escape this season without taking too many damaging head blows. That includes a set of vocal fans calling time on a manager that hasn’t hit 15 Premier League games yet.

That’s why Arteta has been given a long deal. The club are going to rebuild with a young manager that has it all to prove. Businesses do this all the time. It is absolutely standard practice for big tech firms to poach number 2s, give them a big title at a smaller company, and hope that the magic sprinkles come their way. That’s vision.

I think it’s the best decision Edu and Raul have made thus far, I just don’t think you’ll fee sexy about it until Arteta has been given time to weed out the dross and bring in players that fit the bill of where he wants to take the football.

Also, always worth peppering the propaganda with some reality. He’s a young coach, he will make mistakes, some of his experiments aren’t going to work… we will lose games. He’ll get it right in the end though, I think the base ingredients are strong enough, so I’m still excited. You should be too.

On that note, I’ll see you in the comments. x

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PieAFC

Very flat following Arsenal at the moment. Gone are the days you tell someone you’re Arsenal and they hate you, now it’s laughs and pity, shame really. I don’t think any problem is with Arteta, he says the right the things, I’m sure he and Steve Round will watch games back and see the mistakes by players etc, try and rectify the errors. We can’t play the way Arteta would like with the players we have, maybe he needs to put players in that can play a particular way, a change of formation or tactics. Put two up front? play… Read more »

Danny S

I think we all just need to accept that we are no longer an ‘elite’ club. We are now a project that may start paying off in 3 to 5 years time if, and that’s a big if with the current set up, we buy and sell clever. Over the last 13 odd years the club has been in a slow decline and when wenger left we needed big decisions from footballing people and we got fuck all. Can you imagine if we had sold Sanchez for 60, Aaron for 40, jack for 20, wellbeck for 20, and off loaded… Read more »

The Godfather

In a team full of Vanilla Softies, I can’t believe Guendo, who actually shows that he gives a damn about competing and winning is being slated. I’ll never forget that Villa game when he was literally crying on the field and trying to do everything possible to win the game, when we trailed by a goal and were down a man. Sorry that’s a kid I would love on ,y side if I were going to battle. Honestly this is why people love to laugh at us. We’ve just got some petulant cry babies who will always whine, complain and… Read more »

Sid

Can you imagine if we had sold Sanchez for 60, Aaron for 40, jack for 20, wellbeck for 20,

We would have bought Zaha fo 80m and Maguire, Braithwaite lololol

Danny S

Sid

It’s implied that if we had made all those sales correctly, we would have had a better transfer team in place.

Sid

The fans have become meek lambs too

BRIGHTON ARE PEASANTS!
im telling you for free!

PieAFC

I would like to see Arteta put Auba in the centre on Thursday, put Saka in the number 10 role behind him, Martinelli out wide on the left. Pepe or Nelson on the right (defensively Nelson will offer more, in regards to tracking back.

We’ve been better away from home and won when Auba is playing CF. Albeit against what we’d class lower opposition.

Goonies

For China…and valentine

https://youtu.be/nPdPraP6fbk

Ishola70

When was the last time Arsenal played 4-4-2?

PieAFC

Ishola70

I wish we never stopped playing 442.

I know it’s down to the personal at hand, with the right players it’s one of the best set ups. We were brilliant even in 2008 when we played Adebayor and RVP up top together.

Why so many teams are returning to having two strikers up top. Defenders got so used to going up against 1 striker when the 433 made a resurgence.

We don’t have the midfield to play 442.

Ishola70

It was Crystal Palace at home under Emery the 2-2 draw.

Funny enough that was the beginning of his real slide.

Failing to win the home game after the away defeat at Sheffield United.

Before that he played it away at Leicester lost 3-0 and away at Man City lost 3-1.

CG

Breaking News.

Inexperienced & unproven Woodgate out at Boro
Experienced & very much proven Warnock ( 71 ) back in .

Another ‘nice’ whippersnapper and ‘wet behind the ears’ young coach (Woodgate) with dreams and hopes bites the dust and a septuagenarian steps back into the breach.

(This management game ain’t for young pretty boys.)

Our Wenger is a year younger than Warnock and still in the frame a Mohammad Ali like comeback to rescue the club and reclaim its soul.

Nelson

We are a team of softies. But what do you expect selecting a playboy as your captain. I can’t imagine Auba will stand up for any teammate or command his teammate to shape up.

Two games in a roll, we gave up a goal after making all those substitutions. It appeared that those new entries were at a loss. They would just stand there like training dummies while giving up those two goals. This got to be the manager’s job to make sure every substitute contributes at once to the team.

Tom

“No one was screaming about player protection for Zaha that day- who could have faced a serious injury the speed he was running at the time.(What a sublime and robust athlete Zaha is
by the way ,not to sustain a serious injury)“

Leave to CG to shit on his own and worry about other clubs ‘ players safety and well-being.
What a joker!
Here’s one for you, CG , name one club in the PL that has suffered more long term injuries than any other due to bad/ reckless challenges.
Hint, hint….it ain’t Crystal Palace.

Valentin

Goonies, Funny all the clips he used, we always had like he said a twin attack. Exactly like if we were playing with two strikers as in 4-4-2.🤔😁 Again how can you play a 4-3-3 with two wide players (Pepe and Saka) and two strikers (Lacazette and Aubameyang) and two central midfielders (Guendouzi and Ceballos). At least he noted that we played a lopsided formation. But while that was unusual a couple of years ago, more and more managers now recognise that using the strength and weaknesses of players at your disposal mean that having a symmetrical formation is not… Read more »

Globalgunner

CG. You are a real joker. If Wenger ever dies it had better be an unmarked grave. There will be plenty of besotted fools willing to throw themselves into the pit to be with him. Wenger aint coming back mate. Get therapy.

Marc

“Pedro June 23, 2020 01:47:20
What did LG tell you about going Matteo?He’s a wrong’un”

Well I’d say that’s a really worrying statement on your judgement Pedro. You’ve been all over Sanllehi over “forcing” Mislintat out of the club when he was so amazing. Players signed whilst Mislintat was Head of Recruitment.

Lich
Sok
Guendozi
Mavrapanos
Torreira
Leno

Outside of a Goalkeeper you’re now telling all of them are piss poor signings but Sanllehi’s the issue?

Marc

Global

Personally I’d dig a bigger hole!

CG

Joe Willock on Wenger:

“”””Arsene Wenger was a very laid back man but when he spoke, everyone listened. He was Arsene Wenger so everyone had to listen. He always taught me personally to play with freedom and enjoy myself. That’s one thing I can take from him.””””

Willock wants him back. And he wont be the only player that thinks that way.

Players enjoying themselves is the key to successful management,

Aussie Gooner

Sid Brighton may well be peasants but they keep beating us! And there in lies the problem. It has been a long time since ‘pub sides’ routinely got the better of us. Unfortunately it is now becoming the new normal. Every man and his dog feels that they can get one over on us. A long way from the Invincibles! Guendouzi needs to wind his neck in. I would not be proud of his antics; it doesn’t show fighting spirit, it shows arrogance. You only crow over your bitterest opponents when you have them well beaten (ala TH when we… Read more »

Ishola70

It’s a bit strange to think Guendouzi would say just out of the blue that I am on more money than you to Maupay.

I have a feeling Maupay was teasing him beforehand regarding the recent Arsenal pay cuts.

Ishola70

They better get used to that ribbing for a while if that’s the case.

Opposing players are going to find it amusing that Arsenal were the only players to take a pay cut in the EPL.

andy1886

Lol, play with enjoyment and freedom – bet Fergie said exactly the same thing – NOT!

I guess that’s all you are left with if you’re tactically bankrupt and stuck in the stone age.

By the way I wouldn’t compare Ali with Wenger, apart from the fact that one was ‘The Greatest’ it’s also the case that he was suffering from Parkinsons by the time he reached Wenger’s current age.

Sid

We didnt loose because of Guend, if we won it wouldnt even come up, diversion tactics

The manager has overcomplicated the tactics if nobody can tell the formation whether 433, 442, 4222
how will a footballer understand?

Moray

Willock wants Wenger back?

How about Maitland Niles? Who does he want?

Moray

I didn’t ever think being Called “flat track bullies” would be a thing of nostalgia…

Valentin

Rather than tactic, our problems stem from our lack of quality in the central midfield positions. The opposition knows that none of our central midfielders will provide a threat from the middle so they can safely doubling up against our wide players. Pepe’s goal came about because Saka move to the middle confused Brighton. The defense was forced to confront him and went narrow leaving space on the outside for Pepe. After the goal, they adjust and that was it, we revert to plodding along. Willock is the only central midfielder who can bring a threat to goal, however we… Read more »

CG

Moray

“””””Willock wants Wenger back?How about Maitland Niles? Who does he want?”””””

Our Wenger.

As does Hector/Holding/Sead/Ozil/Laca/Xhaka.

Solid players but stinking the place out.
Miserable as hell. Aimless and demotivated.

they want their father figure, leader and mentor back there too.

(The Warnock Boro appointment showing once again experience is even more important especially in these corona times.)

GunnerDNA

Martin Keown The Ozil situation when Emery took the job, I felt at that time the best thing he could have done is to take Ozil away and sell him at that point,” former Gunners defender Keown told talkSPORT. “In fact, I advised him to do that at the time. “What we have seen with Ozil – for one reason or another, and everyone feels you’re picking on him – he’s a player that isn’t part of the future at Arsenal. “They need to cut their losses and let Ozil go, otherwise the other players see the bad habits that… Read more »

Sid

Then just play 3412, 352 then for saka to occupy defenders in the middle, the wide players will be freed.
Change tactics….

Versus

CGJune 23, 2020 10:25:07 Joe Willock on Wenger:“”””Arsene Wenger was a very laid back man but when he spoke, everyone listened. He was Arsene Wenger so everyone had to listen. He always taught me personally to play with freedom and enjoy myself. That’s one thing I can take from This is terrible advice to give a young player who gets lost on the pitch. Not all players need guidance. Naturally gifted ones just need freedom to express. But then there are players like this lad. Just look at his development so far. Look at the development of all our youth.… Read more »

CG

versus “””This is terrible advice to give a young player who gets lost on the pitch. Not all players need guidance.””””” I am sure , Arsene Wenger knows how to advise these young players or even old ones He has being doing for 30 years. Arsene Knows Warnock knows. Hodgson Knows ( his team sublime against Bournemouth the weekend.Fit and strong) In these corona days -the 70 years olds are back in vogue and the young bucks are back in the classroom , learning the ropes. Middlesboro a shining example of what happens, when a talented and popular but inexperienced… Read more »

Jamie

Jesus fucking Christ. We’ve gone from Sean Dyche to Neil Warnock.

CG needs to be put down. It’s the humane thing to do at this point.

GunnerDNA

Arsenal are reportedly one of a number of Premier League clubs interested in Aston Villa centre-back Tyrone Mings this summer, but they may be unable to afford him.

Because we wasted money on signing/loaning Mari and Soares

Batistuta

The Mari and Soares deals haven’t ever made sense to me

andy1886

FFS, any more CB’s and we’ll be able to field an entire team of them. As has been mentioned previously you don’t need the greatest individual defenders but you do need to train and drill them to work as a unit. Should get clarity on who’s in or out today which will give us a fair indication of what MA wants from his defence. Is defending a priority (or even important) or is he more interested in the offensive contribution of the full backs and ball playing ability of the CB’s? Wenger didn’t value defending which has damaged the club… Read more »

Sid

Neil Warnock has managed rotherham, cardiff, qpr,
Xhakalson, mustafinovs, amn, soares are not much different from players in those clubs , Warnock would better understand them than Arteta

You heard it here 1st!

Globalgunner

Sid
Stop giving stuff away for free. Think of your future

Jamie

Touché, Sid.

I also enjoyed your mental/rectal health gag the other day.

Willing to pay for more of the same content.

alex cutter

“I also enjoyed your mental/rectal health gag the other day. Willing to pay for more of the same content.”

You realize he just copies/pastes comments from r/gunners, right?

Jamie

alex –

I had no idea!

I’m pretty sure the mental/rectal health joke was original content though – it was aimed at Un after his meltdown post the Brighton game.

Either way, this is the only place I come to for Arsenal chat, so it’s all original to me.

Chris

Jamie

It’s the only Arsenal place you need!

Chris

Neil Warnock, goodness gracious me.

What’s Barry Fry up to these days?

Jamie

Chris –

“It’s the only Arsenal place you need!”

True that!

Pierre

In Wenger’s final season , his last 8 home games produced 26 goals, with 7 wins and one draw . “Flat track bullies ” and ” opposition were already on their holidays” the Wenger obsessives were always quick to point out, which ultimately showed their ignorance of the premier league 3-0…Watford 3-1….Ac Milan 3-0…stoke 4-1…Moscow 3-2….Southampton 4-1….West Ham 1-1…Atletico Madrid 5-0 Burnley We are light years away from playing football that will produce on average over 3 goals a game. When Emery arrived , the players and the team still had Wenger’s DNA hence the 23 game unbeaten run .… Read more »

Ishola70

Pierre

“When Emery arrived , the players and the team still had Wenger’s DNA hence the 23 game unbeaten run .”

How could that be?

Plenty were saying that unbeaten was quite drab and unconvincing.

Wenger DNA indeed.

Ishola70

He got a new manager bounce you fool.

CG

Pierre “””””In Wenger’s final season , his last 8 home games produced 26 goals, with 7 wins and one draw .””””” You omitted the Everton annihilation which came just before. Arsenal 5 Everton 1 (Ramsey Hatrick, ) But he left such a mess/such a weak culture etc/bad defence or all 3? They have had their caviar- maybe it just too rich and salty for their tastes? Time for Pukka Pies perhaps. Maybe thats what the fans are happier with and wanted all along? Arsenal 10th!( And two points ahead of the truly woeful Newcastle United) Wenger never had Arsenal 10th.… Read more »

CG

Ishola

“”””When Emery arrived , the players and the team still had Wenger’s DNA hence the 23 game unbeaten run .”””””

they were all Wengers players.

Jamie

Imagine being proud of Wenger’s ‘heroic’ final x many games when we finished in 6th place, one place lower than the previous season’s finish. Literally going backwards for years.

Embarrassing.

CG and Pierre pretending they didn’t read the several paragraphs Pete penned about pining for a spent Wenger with them in mind.

Quick praise for Arteta to create an obvious diversion, then the next day those two idiots are back to their old tricks.

Obvious trolls are obvious.

China1

Next game is too late for me to watch

That’s usually a blessing as an arsenal fan these days :p

andy1886

Hmmm, exactly which in that list would you not expect a club like Arsenal to beat at home?

3-0…Watford
3-1….Ac Milan
3-0…stoke
4-1…Moscow
3-2….Southampton
4-1….West Ham
1-1…Atletico Madrid
5-0 Burnley

Hardly ‘over-achieving’.

As for ’10 points off the top’, C, we finished some 37 points off the top that season so obviously maths isn’t your strong suit (amongst others).

The Godfather

“ When Emery arrived , the players and the team still had Wenger’s DNA hence the 23 game unbeaten run .” Wow! This so wrong on so many accounts! Key to the unbeaten streak were players like Bellerin who was playing his best footie, with Emery as manager … same for a rejuvenated Holding. We were all celebrating the future as these young ones were leading the way. But suddenly Bellerin, Holding, Welbeck all went down to catastrophic season ending injuries. Ramsey followed. Suddenly we started seeing Lichstein-disaster in games. Xhaka even had to play left back for a spell.… Read more »

Dissenter

Godfather
Hush my friend
How dare you punch holes in their Emery delusions.
Don’t you get it, he was stain on our glorious history.

Batistuta

Pretty unfair to say the 22 game unbeaten run was down to Wenger DNA. Some on here felt the football was boring and that we were running on luck unless you’re saying that’s what Wengerball was all about

peanuts&monkeys

“More significantly he seems to lack intelligence.”

Bang on. He is as dumb as Xhaka. He can give Xhaka run for money when it comes to backpasses and square passes. He is just a younger Xhaka; Jumping Jackass.

peanuts&monkeys

Its not unusual for Arteta to keep playing Guen since Arteta is a Xhaka fan.

peanuts&monkeys

“Next game is too late for me to watchThat’s usually a blessing as an arsenal fan these days :p”

Oh yess. Such a respite.

The Godfather

Disssnter:
Whatcha gonna do?🤷

alex cutter

“I’m pretty sure the mental/rectal health joke was original content though – it was aimed at Un after his meltdown post the Brighton game.”

Fair enough. Would have liked to see that one.

Ishola70

Just looking at those teams directly underneath Arsenal that can leapfrog if winning their next match and Arsenal go down again against Southampton.

Burnley have got Watford at home.

Everton have got Norwich away.

Newcastle have got Aston Villa at home.

All winnable games for those teams.

Just as well Southampton have a dodgy GD otherwise there would be a real danger of Arsenal sipping down to 14th after the next set of matches.

salparadisenyc

Emery had a nice bit of new managerial bounce, cant deny that. But many of those results within that 22 game run were somewhat fluked, that became more apparent as the season ran with form crumbled. His handling of several situation very suspect as well leading to his eventually loosing locker room, supporters and power that be.

In the end it was a very poor hire from the off, no idea why some have nostalagia for Emery… serious head scratcher that.

Sid

Arteta had a nice bit of new managerial bounce, cant deny that. But many of those results within that 13 game run were somewhat fluked, that became more apparent as the season ran with form crumbled. His handling of several situation very suspect as well leading to his eventually loosing locker room, supporters and power that be.

Tom

‘We didnt loose because of Guend, if we won it wouldnt even come up, diversion tacticsThe manager has overcomplicated the tactics if nobody can tell the formation whether 433, 442, 4222 how will a footballer understand?“ Footballers aren’t too concerned with formation nomenclature, they try to fill roles coaches set out for them to play. But you’re right about former though, Guen didn’t cost us this game. We conceded from a short corner where Ceballos, probably our slowest player , was alone tasked to deal with, and his starting position wasn’t even that good to begin with. Most defenders cheat… Read more »

Chris

I think the only thing most will end up remembering fondly about Emery’s reign was the exhilarating 4-2 win over Spurs and perhaps some dogged and resolute wins over Napoli and Valencia in the EL.

I would say there are some here who display irrational hatred for him because he dared replace Wenger. Whoever took over from Arsene was going to be on for a hammering, as was evident from the very first game in the comments section on this site.

azed

“In the end it was a very poor hire from the off, no idea why some have nostalagia for Emery”

Sal

Nobody has nostalgia for Emery.
The issue is the same folks who said Emery had the players for top 4 are the one who want to see what Arteta can do after spending money in the transfer window.
The same ones who swore and continue to do so that player poverty is not a thing.

Freddie Ljungberg

Sal Don’t think anyone has nostalgia for Emery. The rhetoric was just ridiculous from some quarters almost from day 1. I’m not surprised that Arteta can’t get more out of this bunch than he is, not because I don’t rate Arteta, I hope he does well, but you can only work with what you have. This squad is still pretty shite. It was shite a year ago and it’s still shite. It wasn’t a top 4 squad then and it’s not now. I liked all the future looking signings last summer, which 4/5 signing were but they were not going… Read more »

Samesong

Sal

Emery was a joke.

Fluked or not its still 22 unbeaten games no?

History books will state 22 unbeaten games

Let’s see Arteta achieve that with a better group of player’s

Dissenter

Sal
I’m surprised that it hasn’t occurred to you that everything you wrote about Emery in your last post can be easily said of Arteta too…6 months into his tenure
I’m glad that Sid fixed that for you.

Arteta has not proven that he’s a better hire than Emery. He couldn’t even get us past Olympiakos in the last 32 of the EL . There’s very little inspiring about him when you remove all the tough talk he gives the media.
Les wait and see is the next 6 months will be better than the last half year of Arteta-footie.

Dissenter

*Lets wait and see if the next 6 months will be better than the last half year of Arteta-footie.

Tom

By all accounts both Wenger and Emery still want to coach.
Who’s willing to put money on Wenger getting back into the game before Emery does?

Dissenter

Freddie
“I’m not surprised that Arteta can’t get more out of this bunch than he is, not because I don’t rate Arteta, I hope he does well, but you can only work with what you have. This squad is still pretty shite. It was shite a year ago and it’s still shite. It wasn’t a top 4 squad then and it’s not now.”

Yea…but why is Arteta trying to make it worse by advocating that we sign up Mari and Luiz. Our defense is already bad as it is, why stuff it with more questionable players?

salparadisenyc

Dissenter.

Such an obvious dig, almost as if some have forgotten exactly whats transpired in the 6 months Arteta’s been in charge. Keyboard warrioring their way along.

Dissenter

Tom
Emery has a good reputation in Spain he will get a job easily in La Liga. He just has to wait for the typical round of managerial merry go rounds to go back to a 8th-4th position club there.
His spotty Arsenal record can be easily explained away by the lack of English language proficiency, nascent executive management and deeply embedded club tradition of elite mediocrity.
Arsenal was failing before he arrived and it’s no better since he’s gone.

Dissenter

Sal
No different from your keyboard exploits twisting the other guy’s records and implying that some have nostalgia for him.
People are just pointing out your sheer hypocrisy to you, that’s all.

Freddie Ljungberg

Dissenter I understand those decisions in the short term. If we sign both of them now though I can’t explain that away. Hopefully it’s true that we’re not willing to give Luiz 2 years and a high wage so we’ll let him leave. Signing only Mari is acceptable imo if we sign 1 more CB, not if that’s our business done in that department. If it’s true that the deal is structured as reported it won’t impact much at all on our business this summer. What Arteta has to do and that isn’t excused by the poor squad is getting… Read more »

salparadisenyc

Dissenter

Emery was a fucked hire that was obvious, if you’d like to argue against that by all means punch in. I supported him right up to the moment in January he started fucking the mid without our key players. It was curtains from there.

Please use the word hypocrisy along the way.

MidwestGun

Sheer hypocrisy? Sal was just wondering same thing I was..what about previous 6 months? Arteta had to take over half way through a season were Emery got us off to a record disaster start and take over after Freddie failed to maintain us. And then right when he got us stabilized to the point where people were not talking about relegation anymore but top 4 or 5, a worldwide pandemic happened. Some of you seem to be implying that we should have just let Emery get us relegated since we are no better now? . Fair enough I guess.. but… Read more »

Receding Hairline

Actually dissenter nothing spotty about Emery’s Arsenal record

It reads played 78, Won 43, lost 19, drew 16. A win % of 55.1%.

Nothing to laugh at in an interview. 70 points in the league in the first season, EL final beating good teams along the way.

People write like the man came here and failed miserably, absolute nonsense

Dissenter

Emery was deservedly fired for poor results, no ifs, ands, or buts.
I ‘ve never read anyone here argue otherwise.
No one misses Emery.

The Godfather

https://talksport.com/football/721255/mesut-ozil-liverpool-fan-arsenal-transfer/

Some sports fans are clearly nuts!
Imagine a Liverpool fan calling into sports radio to ask for Mesut Ozil?
Must be a City or United plant hoping he can disrupt their wage scale and bring in his bad habits to their dressing room.
Smh

Dissenter

Receding
His second season didn’t work out quite well. That’s what I would term as spotty – too many k-legs [you know what I mean]

Terraloon

So Arsenal are what 7:40 minutes away from losing Luiz, Ceballos, Soares and Mari from the squad to finish the season .

Ishola70

Arsenal were on a tightrope for a long time of crashing because of such a poor away record stretching back to Wenger’s last few seasons and which continues.

They were relying heavily to win the home matches.

Fail in a few home matches that were usually won previously and Arsenal’s world starts crashing in.

Receding Hairline

Exactly no one misses Emery. Don’t just invent Armageddon along the way while describing his tenure. He had arguably worse set of players to deal with and other language difficulties but he still competed for 3/4th, still competed in the Europa. We had some very solid performances under him, we had some games were his subs changed everything. Players got bored of him and their inconsistencies meant he started chopping and changing. This season was a complete disaster for him and he was sacked …end of Nothing remotely dramatic or permanently damaging happened in the 18 months Emery spent here.… Read more »

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Freddie
“Signing only Mari is acceptable imo if we sign 1 more CB, not if that’s our business done in that department.”

Hmmm, respect that viewpoint of yours but how are we going to sign yet another CB when we just spent as must 14 million Euros on Mari. How much did Wolves offer to start negotiations for Axel Disasi again?

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Teraloon
“So Arsenal are what 7:40 minutes away from losing Luiz, Ceballos, Soares and Mari from the squad to finish the season .”

That wouldn’t be so bad.
This season is is gone already and we have 40 points so we wont be sucked into a relegation battle.
Lets play the kids and enjoy ourselves. Lets not double down our errors.

Freddie Ljungberg

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I said if the rumoured structure of the deal is true.

The loan fee is included in that 14m

In euros:

5m loan fee
3m sign on fee
1m per 10 appearances up to 80 games.

so all we pay now is 3m. The rest, especially if he’s signed only as a backup will be spread out over years, probably won’t even reach that many apps.

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Receding
“We had some very solid performances under him, we had some games were his subs changed everything.”

Good point
There was a time when it seemed Emery had the Midas touch for subs…then it went down hill.

salparadisenyc

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The point is, comparing the two’s first 6 months is a shit barometer considering many things, most touched on by Gulf Coast Gunner – Middy. Take away the obvious Pandemic situation, that Arteta caught by the way. He’s starting halfway thru a season on major damage control from the very poor job done prior. This season is busted.

MD-Gunner

Again very interesting interview by Eddie Jones England’s Rugby Union coach published in the Athletic. Looks like he is spot on. Four minutes of added time are already up and the script feels all too familiar as Eddie Jones, who has a soft spot for Arsenal, digests the late drama. “This reminds me…” the England rugby union head coach says, smiling and shaking his head. “It’s almost like, you know that movie Psycho? So the woman has a shower, at midnight, and you know what’s going to happen. And when Arsenal went from 1-0 to 1-1, you’re thinking, ‘This has… Read more »

Sid

Who would like to wager between Dyche and Arteta who will get fired 1st?

Tom

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I think Wenger has a good reputation in France too, but probably wouldn’t take a mid table club job , unlike Emery might do in Spain.
Wenger would probably consider it a downgrade from the days of Bayern and RM showing interest.

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Sal I don’t disagree with you that the first six months of Arteta haven’t been typical. The manager had COVID-19 and had his groove punctuated by the pandemic. Those are incontrovertible facts. I think the club needs to help him a lot because he’s a young manager and shouldn’t have to deal with the likes of Mesut Ozil who can’t be bothered to be up and ready from day one.. I think the club needs to get a loan facility and buy two solid central midfielders for him next season. I also think the club should save him from himself… Read more »

Terraloon

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Even though the chance of EL / CL is ever more unlikely I cant see the powers that be giving up on the possibility.

With an not insignificant wedge for each place againI would expect the powers that be will be looking for as much TV money as they can.

The squad is already threadbare but to expose the youngsters in such a way would in all likelihood be counterproductive.

Versus

You’re bored everytime Emerys name is brought uo but.. You know why Emery will now forever be apart of the Arsenal conversation. He was the first ever manager after the longest serving most successful manager in our history. The difference between him and say David Moyes is that Fergie left UTD as champions and was respectfully retired out of the club. Wenger was hounded out driven out and forced to not complete his final year going against his long standing principal of always honouring his contract. Emery is apart of history now. Even if your opinion is that he failed.… Read more »

Receding Hairline

Why are we complicating the Soares situation? Let his contract run out at the saints and if you must offer him a two year deal afterwards.

Marc

Emery has as much significance to Arsenal long term as Bruce Rioch does. He’s only mentioned because he’s recent.

One way or another they’ll be plenty of others to discuss in the future.

Marc

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Hasn’t his contract already run out now?