Lots of back and forth on the great Mesut Ozil debate. At the core of it for me is the exceptionalism that folks think he’s entitled to. The best way to frame these sorts of arguments is to imagine how you’d react to them in your own life.
Firstly, imagine on your team there was an underperforming superstar that earned double what the second-best player on your team earned. Probably a bit of a kicker, but you get past that because you are a mature adult minding your own business. Now imagine that everyone agreed to a pay decrease to save the company that has made your entire team incredibly wealthy.
Is there any scenario where you and the 22 that took the pay decrease could reconcile that sort of behaviour? Probably not. The German’s pay cut, if he were to take it, amounts to 6x what Bukayo Saka earns at the moment. The 19-year-old has made 12 goal contributions this season, Mesut has made 4.
I’ve seen people talking up his charitable contributions that amount to roughly 10% of his salary. A tremendous effort, I’d never critique that sort of generosity. However, people fail to understand that charitable donations and taking a voluntary pay cut are not mutually exclusive. Take this mentality into your own life. Is there any business in the world at the moment that has charitable contributions in the mixer when they’re dishing out mandatory pay decreases? No. It’s exceptionalism wrapped in children’s hospital beds.
The future of the club is hanging in the balance. 12.5% shouldn’t be an ordeal. Roma players agreed to 40% cuts for 4 months. Juventus players gave up £81m. Aleti, Sevilla, and Barca players gave up 70%. How can any player in the Premier League muster an argument about reducing their pay? How can any player, with a straight face, ask to see what the business implications are of the entire game freezing overnight?
The good news coming from ESPN is that he’s apparently doing a deep dive into how the money is going to be spent and that his team has verbally agreed to the deal. We’ll see how that pans out. Hopefully, he does the right thing. If he doesn’t, it’ll be fascinating to see if there’s a reaction from the coach. You can’t build a strong culture if there is exceptionalism when it comes to sacrifice like this.
Mikel Arteta did a fun AMA on the Twitter.com. His favourite midfielders were Santi, Rosicky and Aaron Ramsey. That bodes well for taste levels when he dives into the transfer market this summer.
He also confirmed suspicions of this site about David Luiz. The Brazilian is taking his coaching badges. It looks like his impeccable attitude to the new coach is tightly linked to the hope that he lands a job with the club when he retires. A smart move, he probably sees Mikel as a role model for his career path. David Luiz has it all to be a good coach, he’s smart, articulate, has won everything, and he has gravitas. Would be great to keep him around when he hangs up the boots.
What he refused to talk about was Thomas Partey’s dad who has gone on the radio to explicitly tell the world his son is in talks with Arsenal about a move to North London.
‘I called my son after hearing the rumours and he told me that the rumours are true,’
‘He told me they are holding talks between him and Arsenal. ‘It all depends on the offer Atletico are demanding. If he goes to Arsenal fine, they have a lot supporters in Ghana.’
This move would make sense for Arsenal. He’d be absolutely perfect for the league. He’s the player we’ve been crying out since Paddy left. My concern with these sorts of leaks is they seem a bit too obvious. His dad isn’t a fan of Arsenal, he’s a fan of his son making a shit tonne of cash. This feels like a negotiation tactic with Atleti who badly underpay him.
That said, I’d LOVE to be wrong. £43m for a signing that’d completely change our midfield would be an absolute steal. I just don’t know where we’re finding the money? We’d have to be making some serious sales to make that happen. Auba? Lacazette? Which mega clubs are coming with big dollars this summer?
I think most transfer rumours at the moment are going to be players trying to land bigger deals. No one can be banking on a big money move at this time. But we’ll see…
Finally, some DELICIOUS theorising going on… if the season is voided and CL places are decided on UEFA coefficients, Arsenal are making Champions League baby.
Couldn’t think of a fairer approach.
See you in the comments you wonderful people. x
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“The tubes are rammed everyday with a reduced service, khan at his most intelligent!”
Khan has no control over the tube union just as others have found out as well.
They are uncontrollable renegades only out for themselves. So many of their drivers are isolating not working and are threatening not to return to work unless they have a “100% guarantee of safety”
In some ways though you have got to don your cap to them. Them tube drivers refuse to be disposable fodder in this pandemic.
“I don’t know how charity deductions are done in the U.K. but in the states you can deduct a big chunk of your charity deductions
You can donate 1 million and get all or may of it bac with the help of crafty tax attorneys.”
That’s not how deductions work in the US, and probably not in the UK either.
Ishola
Tube drives sit in a shut off cabin – there is a way to reasonably make sure it’s kept clean etc.
As always the tube drivers union – one of the most militant is doing one of two things, either getting paid to do fuck all or looking for more money fordoing their normal job.
You don’t see the Army / soldiers complaining about the risk do you?
“In some ways though you have got to don your cap to them. Them tube drivers refuse to be disposable fodder in this pandemic.”
“In some ways…”? In every way, idiot..
“are threatening not to return to work unless they have a “100% guarantee of safety””
If you had a job, you’d demand the same.
Thomas “How long should Wenger have been allowed to continue? Two years? Three? Five? Ten? Where do you draw the line?” I’m not sure why a chav would show any interest in Arsenal affairs,but as you asked,I wanted to replace him with Pep when Pep left Barcalona , as I believe he is the best in the world. The fault as to why Wenger wasn’t replaced earlier lies with one man and one man only ….kronke. However, even though I would have been more than happy to have Wenger replaced, I would never disrespect the man like the WOB fraternity… Read more »
Marc Yeah out of all these “blue collar workers” for lack of a better term the tube drivers are the safest in the job that they have to undertake. But they have been the ones that have been playing up the most. Always the way with them. The bus drivers were more at risk but now there seems to be a disregard for the passengers themselves with rows of seats nearest to the driver being cut off from sitting in. This is a problem in the single deck buses now. I just hope these supermarket workers get nice big fat… Read more »
Ishola
Agree 100% – if it’s not safe for the tube drivers how is it safe for any “key” worker using it to get to work.
I can’t remember who it was but a few weeks ago a politician suggested that all Black Cab drivers in London should be hired on a fixed salary by the Government and used to ferry Doctors, Nurses etc to and from work – thought that was an utterly fantastic idea.
alex cutter
Londoners many of them do not hold much affection for tube drivers.
You must understand this.
They have caused enough disruption and inconvenience to Londoners during non-pandemic times.
But as said that they are not falling in line with this class and profession divide in relation to isolation well you have to give them a little kudos for that.
There was people trying to put the transport workers as heroes along with the NHS. They are not heroes and they know they are not.
Marc
That was an excellent rebuttal of the PPG.
It’s like using the score line of a match stopped in the 67th minute.
UEFA has to expand the CL and EL for next season to accommodate as many clubs as possible.
The Leicesters of the world ( smaller teams having a good season) will be shafted but so be it.
They can be referred to Hubei Province to lodge a complaint.
Marc and Ishol
To he best of my understanding, tube drives are in a self contained part of the train, aren’t they.
The poor sods that don’t stand a chance are the public transportation bus drivers. They are dropping like flies all over US cities. They have to keep walking to transport essential workers manning the food supply chain. Those workers typically need public transport more.
It’s been grating when people pick out medical people as the heroes of these times but leave out the folks running places like supermarkets.
Dissenter
I am slightly biased!
But using the PPG system would see us and Sheffield Utd go up a place but the European spots would be as the teams currently stand – might as well just use the league table.
I know the coefficient benefits Arsenal but it is based on performance over a decent period of time – only cunts or small teams will miss out.
*they have to keep working
Dissenter
The tube drivers union over here are a complete bunch of cunts – I’m actually looking forward to AI fucking them all with self driving trains.
Funniest thing is they’ll all go on strike and then be told we don’t care we don’t need you anymore – cunts.
Marc PPG is already a method used to determine matters of relegation/ promotion at certain levels of non league. Of course the UEFA 5 year coefficient is attractive for obvious reasons but the trouble with it is that the model only can be applied to a small number clubs and then not consistently. For me measuring over 5 or 10 games would never be a viable option, even though it is again attractive . Would 19 games( halfway through the season or 20 games ( 10 home and 10 away ) be a better way? In truth which ever method… Read more »
“I just hope these supermarket workers get nice big fat bonuses in their wage once this is all over and why not as the main supermarkets are making massive profits out of all this“ Ishola70 According to the Billionaire Bonanza report’s analysis of Forbes’ daily net worth updates, the number of American billionaires had increased by another 15 people to 629, surging their overall net worth up to $3.2 trillion- a gain that occurred over the course of 23 days during the covid-19 pandemic. Judging by Marc’s metrics ( rich people work harder than the poor) it would be logical… Read more »
Terraloon
You can’t use 19 games – who picks the matches? Same with home and away we played Liverpool away but still have them at home.
The UEFA coefficient is already used in the EL and CL to decide the draws (so is accepted by clubs already) all you’d be doing is slide it down to who qualifies as well.
There is no perfect solution other than the unlikely / or even impossible one of finishing the season.
Personally I’d do it on alphabetical order but that’s just because it’d be funny.
Marc.
Seems it’s been decided.
UEFA have confirmed that should the 2019/20 campaign not be concluded, they will require each individual National Association concerned to select clubs for the UEFA club competitions in the 2020/21 campaign based on sporting merit in the 2019/20 domestic competitions.
Tom
I never said the rich work harder than the poor – I was making the point that the “rich” just sit on their arses doing nothing is bollocks.
Running a large organisation is fucking hard work and these people work long hours, often longer than most people in the workforce. The hardest working people I’ve ever known also happened to be the wealthiest and most successful.
This concept that the “rich” are lazy fuckers who don’t contribute is left wing bullshit.
Terraloon
Doesn’t surprise me UEFA have got it wrong – I can’t think of them getting much right.
Anyone feeling sorry for Stan taking a hit in this crisis?
Here’s a fun fact , a dynastic wealth found to be partly responsible for the huge wealth disparity in the US.
Since 1982, the combined wealth of three families – the Kochs , the Mars , and the Waltons( Kroenke’s wife) – increased by 5,868% ( to $350b total) while the median household wealth over the same period decreased by 3%.
No matter what has gone on with Ozil and the pay cut, I think it can be safely said that the day he finally leaves the club will be a good one for Arsenal F.C.
Tom
“”””Forbes’ daily net worth updates, the number of American billionaires had increased by another 15 people to 629, surging their overall net worth up to $3.2 trillion””””
Well researched.
And some on here are siding with the greedy rascals……some even sympathetic to their plight.
Stan Kronke spends more on horse feed for his state of the art ranches than he has ever on Arsenal.
Asking a player like Nelson who came from a sink estate in south London to subsidize him now is obscene.
I am genuinely amazed fans back him over the players.
Bravo Tom.
Great research.
Almost rivaling Terraloons continued excellence.
Tom
Where does the wealth of those families come from?
Something else I’d also mention that I didn’t know until a few days ago and doesn’t seem to be pushed by those sympathetic to the Democrat’s is that Hillary Clinton was on the board of Walmart for a number of years. I wonder how much she earned out of that?
“I’d like to see you demand an apology from Pedro for the same reason, but everyone here knows you’re a wimp who pops a semi when he agrees with one of your posts.”
On the button Jamie !
“Pedro and I sing from the same hymn sheet”
Little p obliges with another load swallowed.
CG
Stop it , I’m blushing.
Not much of a research, I ripped it off an article in business insider.
Still, doesn’t change the fact Kroenke is a leech, and the whole system is tilted heavily towards the mega rich, no matter the straw man argument from my pal Marc.
“Where does the wealth of those families come from?“
From companies started by an earlier generation, either a parent or more distant ancestor.
Tom
There’s a very simple way to deal with the mega rich – don’t work for them and don’t buy products from company’s they own.
I avoid buying from Amazon. It’s very easy if you want to, of course it’s easier to sit back and blame everyone else in the world.
Tom
“From companies started by an earlier generation”
So what are you proposing that business should be taken into state ownership once the original founder retires / dies? What about businesses where the younger generation have taken a good company and turned it into something even more successful? Creating wealth, jobs and tax revenue in the process?
Marc ‘I never said the rich work harder than the poor – I was making the point that the “rich” just sit on their arses doing nothing is bollocks.” Sometimes your money can do all the work for you, when you get stupendously wealthy. You can cherry-pick the brightest projects to put seed money into with conditions favorable to you. You can enter win-win deals because of the advantage of wealth. I do get your point that it takes a lot of hard work and risk taking to make the wealth in the first place [when it’s not inherited]. It’s… Read more »
Marc
Whenever someone says there’s a simple solution to any complex problem you just know that the solution they proposed ain’t gonna solve it.
I don’t have a problem with the mega rich because of their inherited ( often times), wealth until they start using it to further corrupt the system.
Dissenter That’s life mate – some people have talents that mean they earn crazy money for doing what I consider stupidity. Someone can earn hundreds of thousands per week for kicking a ball about – madness in reality but if we missed out on a player because we wouldn’t match what the Spud’s offered we’d go mental. Someone who inherits wealth or a business has done so because the parent or relative has worked hard to build that up and most likely made sacrifices along the way, often they did so to give their kids something. “It’s just that once… Read more »
Tom
It is a simple solution because it means you aren’t adding to the wealth of someone or something you don’t like.
Marc Do you think Bill Gates is still working “hard” in retirement? His legacy of pre-retirement work is what is making him a richer man everyday. I don’t begrudge him his wealth because it is total deserved- he’s enriched the world in an unbelieving manner. He also worked like a dog when he was younger. When you have a certain level of wealth; people come to you with all sorts of propositions for wealth creation. You don’t have to scurry around trying to impress anybody. You may take a risk of money [you wouldn’t miss] but they do all the… Read more »
*totally deserved
Marc Let me give you an example of a rigged system from close to home, so to speak. My wife and I are both small businesses owners. She was forced to close her doors ( salon and spa) but continued paying her hourly wage employees. She applied for a loan from the $350b small businesses relief fund but the fund ran out of money and she got nothing. She continues paying her employees 50% of their normal wages partly in hope the come back when she’s able to open up again. According to an article in NPR the banks were… Read more »
Regarding our midfield next season. What would people think of a Partey/Torreira partnership in the centre? Depending on the signing of Thomas Partey of course.
Dissenter
I was under the impression that Bill Gates had passed most of his wealth into / onto his foundation (meaning his kids don’t get much at all relatively) which is doing some really good work around the world helping in the fight against malaria etc?
Tom
That’s fucked up no argument but it’s not the fault of the “mega rich” it’s the fault of the politicians that the general public vote for. I’m pretty sure that Stan Kroenke only get’s the same number of votes that you do.
I just think taking the line of “the mega rich fuck over everyone else and don’t contribute” is a lazy argument that just encourages the ignorant to have an excuse rather than look at the root of the problem.
Marc
True dat but his wealth keeps growing though he’s retired. I believe he’s still the richest person in the world.
What he gave – he gave but that which is left can never go away because it’s tucked away in high yeilf stock.
Marc
I’m sure you’re aware of the famous J.Getty quote that “If you owe the bank $100 that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem”
That quote encapsulates the unique advantage the super wealthy have.
It’s too often win-win for them- they go bust due to reckless and we all have to bail them out because they represent industries that are vital to national interests/security.
The small business guy who truly works his socks off is placed in receivership very quickly when he makes mistakes.
“
That’s fucked up no argument but it’s not the fault of the “mega rich” it’s the fault of the politicians that the general public vote for. I’m pretty sure that Stan Kroenke only get’s the same number of votes that you do.“
True, but I don’t have a million dollars to donate to Trump’s re-election campaign or hire a bunch of lobbyists to write tax laws that might benefit me.
You really don’t know much about our system here do you.
Dissenter The Getty quote is a great one and if you’ve ever run a small business it more than strikes a nerve. What you say about the bail out I disagree with – the only time we’ve seen that (at least over here) was the financial crises and the bank bail out. The root of that was Bill Clinton repealing the Glass Steagall Act and the Blair Government over here changing the governance of the financial services industry from a 2 body system to a 3 body system – which just lead to all of them claiming when something went… Read more »
Tom
Marc is a sane Brit.
He doesn’t understand the lunacy of the American political landscape.
He doesn’t understand the following;
-It’s legal to suppress voting
-It’s legal to redraw districts for partisanship reasons
-The consequences of Supreme Court’s ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission in 2010 that basically stated that a corporation has the same rights as an individual citizen
Tom I’m by no means any sort of expert on American politics but the simple fact still remains each individual gets a single vote if enough people vote for change it will happen (I do know you have the Electoral College system so you get the popular vote vs electoral vote). Don’t try and change Trump’s policies change the system – my personal belief is the American system is probably not that different to the UK system where most people vote for the least worst party / option. When can I expect to see your name on the Presidential ballet?… Read more »
“Marc is a sane Brit.”
Can I tell friends and family you said that? They certainly don’t think that’s the case!
Marc
You lot are sane.
You govern toward the center most of the time; left center/right center.
You have a health care model that’s built on common sense.
Your most salient domestic risk before the pandemic was knife violence.
Dissenter
“Your most salient domestic risk before the pandemic was knife violence.”
Nah mate you’re wrong it’s Scousers, before the pandemic, during the pandemic and after the pandemic.
Most political systems have not adopted to change in society, the systems reached their expiry date in A.D 2000.
Im telling you this for free!
Couch potato culture, electromagnetism, nutrition have all contributed to the drop in national IQ levels in the land of the great
You heard it here 1st!
It embarrassing how poor we are with the testing for the virus, even a Turkey is ahead of us.
Hancock should go back to comedy he’s a useless dick.
The NHS front liners do a great job its the dicks in middle management who hav’nt got a clue how to procure the urgent equipment needed.
Really it’s a shambles.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-human-trials-of-a-uk-covid-19-vaccine-get-under-way-11977363
St George’s day in England and we do nothing, sad country
All these links on players we are signing..
All tripe
Nothing will happen until it’s all resolved
Contracts are up in the air, so don’t get sucked in by click baiting.
Spain
Not like w3 can do anything is it..
With Neville leaving the England women’s team
would this not be a good time for Wenger to step up.🤮👄.
James
You do realise that with Phil Neville leaving the job that just means he’s going to show up more often as a pundit?
“UEFA coefficients” – is that anything like the “calf coefficients”? Because it seems to make no more sense! Some say we will get CL others say EL. At least all agree that we finish above Spuds due to having played one game less! So Happy St Totteringham’s Day everybody!
https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~mikepitt/tothistory.html
Spanishdave
I have always wondered why England’s national day passes with barely a mention. Here Australia Day is a public holiday (27 January this year) with much celebration, national pride and consumption of huge amounts of alcohol! We even have individual public holidays for each State’s annual day! Western Australia has it’s day on 1st June – although it will be muted this year no doubt.
With St Georges Day I think it is the religious connotations that ensures it is not celebrated.
Aussie
Every day in Oz is celebrated with copious amounts of beer by many.
“Arsenal playmaker could leave for free after pay cut row”
Lol, as if Özil is going to walk away from 350 grand a week. He will milk it for the next 12 months then walk; to the US where he’ll pick up a huge signing on fee and spend the next three years convalescing with the unfortunate team that signs him.
Should just furlough Ozil, nobody is going to buy him and it would save a ton of wages
“to the US where he’ll pick up a huge signing on fee and spend the next three years convalescing with the unfortunate team that signs him.”
He has no marketable value in the US.
“So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous – whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light,” the president said, turning to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response co-ordinator, “and I think you said that hasn’t been checked but you’re going to test it. “And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting,” the president continued. “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out… Read more »
Gamma rays worked for Bruce Banner, just saying lol, what a dick.
Alex
Think you’ll find he has already lined up a move to the US when his contract runs out with Arsenal.
Cutter
“”””””He has no marketable value in the US.””””””””””
But he does have nearly 25 million twitter followers.
(10 million more than Arsenal.)
And won the World Cup.
Played 90 times for Germany
And Real Madrid.
Even the American equivalent of Vinny- could do something with this CV.
“Think you’ll find he has already lined up a move to the US when his contract runs out with Arsenal.”
Nah. American sports fans will have little interest in a bug-eyed, muslim, ass-dragging foreigner, nor will ownership offer big $ to someone that can’t be marketed. At least not for the kind money other “elite” players get when musing to the US. That assumes president rapey allows immigrants/muslims in the country at all.
“But he does have nearly 25 million twitter followers.”
What percentage of those are American?
And how many of those are from countries that are European, have large Muslim populations, AND ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SOCCER.
You could ask 10 thousand Americans on the street if they knew who Ozil even was, and maybe one person would recognize the name.
Pete, why don’t use put your marketing “education” to practical use and explain how to Europeans how marketing works in the US?
Alex, You may hate and despise Özil, but pretending that most US soccer fans would have no idea who he is is frankly laughable. In the population at large, he may be unknown, but how many MLS star have name recognition in the US public at large? How many Americans had heard of Zlatan or Rooney before they moved there? I can’t stand that culture of narcissism that social creates, but from a marketing point of view having a large number of real followers make him an real influencer and a marketing dream. Plus he is married to a gorgeous… Read more »
Sid,
I am in favour of that treatment that Trump is proposing.
“And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”
Inject all MAGA supporters with desinfectant and stand back to admire the effectiveness of the treatment. That may not cure COVID-19, but that would cure Stupidity. Put Trump first in line and you have the best Darwin award possible.
Ozil’s retiring to Quatar or Turkey,
MLS prefers Rooney, Beckham, Bastian maybe zlatan blue eyed boys
or the latino/spanish connection
with peacemeal Thierry, Drogba
Im telling you this for free!
As Le Grove is continuing the Ozil bashing, this article from untold is spot on. why would any player want to join Arsenal. The negative headlines just keep on coming , you have an undesirable like Piers Morgan, who is supposed to be a fan and should be defending the club. Instead , for years he has fed the negativity into the British public that has stained the name of Arsenal football club. Let’s hope that any new player thinking of joining the club do not read the comments section of Le Grove, they would run a mile. There are… Read more »
The negativity is coming from within not from without, before 2008 there wasnt much to complain about,
then we did the trolly dash,
then it got worse ozil then worst mustafinovs, xhakalson the rest is history
Im telling you for free!
The G “”””……….but from a marketing point of view having a large number of real followers make him an real influence and a marketing dream. Plus he is married to a gorgeous woman,”””” Well noted. How Arsenal have not cottoned on to this fact – the mind boggles. If Arsenal indirectly or directly managed to extract £1 from every one of his 25 million twitter followers- the club would be putting in £25 000 000 per annum into their coffers. ( that would cover his wages and some) But as you superbly explained yesterday- our Dopes could not get an… Read more »
Pierre absolutely triggered and resorting to parroting Untold talking points on le-grove. Called it yesterday, utterly predictable, and was not disappointed.
Pierre’s finally lost it – hysterical.
Just to answer your question “why would any player want to join Arsenal.”
How about £120,000k per week and we pay some players more.
Fucking cretin.
Pierre just wrote a 3,000 worded defense of Mesut Ozil.
What will he do when the said player leaves Arsenal in at the end of next season?
Why does Ozil engender such division amongst gooners?
What metaphysical powers does he have to be able to get an impassioned sexagenarian to devolve into a 3,000 worded meltdown
Good news though, I recommend Trump’s internal disinfectant treatment to deal with Ozil infestation.
Top bin, lads.
I heard UV light blasted under the skin is worth trying too.
Ozil’s contract expires next summer so as it stands he’s got just under £20 million coming to him over the next 13 odd months. (I’m not including any proposed wage cut) If anyone thinks he’d walk away this summer unless he’s going to earn the same or more you are delusional. Even if a Turkish club would pay him £200k per week on a 3 years deal he could still pick that up next summer. With the current situation Ozil’s refusal to take the cut is purely down to the fact that there’s no consequences – it’s looking more and… Read more »
Pierre ” I’m not an obsessive”.
I reserve some sympathy for Ozil as I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt until we hear his side of the story but Pierre’s defence strangely makes me less on his side.
DoubleDouble April 24, 2020 00:10:45
Should just furlough Ozil, nobody is going to buy him and it would save a ton of wages
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Honestly, this is the way AFC should play it. Furlough Ozil and release a statement saying he’s the only player refusing a pay cut.
He’d be finished in the UK. Let him fuck off to wherever with his 25 million TwitFace friends.
p.s. Juventus has less than half Ozil’s social media following. They’d totally trade in all their league titles and domestic cups over the last decade for a few extra ‘likes’ on Facebook.
I see the Piers Morgan clones are out in force again, slandering the club and players they are supposed to support on a daily basis.
Why anyone would want anything in common with Morgan is beyond me.
Each to there own I suppose.
‘Their’ own, donkey.
Little p,
THE obsessive one.
“‘Their’ own, donkey”
Jamie doing his best bamford impression, says it all really …
Should bamford be a capital B?
Maybe stop suggesting others are morons until you learn how to spell, yeah?
You’re right at home when you head over to Untold like I knew you did. Copy and paste another one of their pieces here and tell us again how you and Pedro sing from the same hymn sheet. That really was funny. It’s almost as if you haven’t actually read anything he’s published over the last 5 years. Or 5 days for that matter.
Ufraud ( another Piers Morgan clone)
I’m surprised you show your face on here.
It hasn’t worked out too well for you has it.
Supposedly having 2 season tickets(doubtful) and refusing to attend matches and celebrate winning trophies due to your Wenger obsession….oh dear
You must have felt slightly stupid attending Emery’s Arsenal as we slowly deteriorated into a side heading for relegation.
Be careful what you wish for they said, and it certainly applies to you .
Jamie
“Pierre absolutely triggered and resorting to parroting Untold talking points on le-grove. Called it yesterday, utterly predictable, and was not disappointed.”
You took the bait again Jamie ..
You called it so I delivered….
“Took the bait.” Cringe.
You just dropped over a thousand words in defense of Ozil, further scraping the barrel by using Untold content. It would be somewhat touching if it wasn’t so embarrassing, which it was.
Did you cry this hard when Robbie left Take That? Tell Jamie the truth.
Pierre
Taking the moral high ground against others as if you’re the only fan who knows what he’s talking about is a bit rich when you listed 4 “horrific” results ManU had under Fergie asking if ManU fans went on about them.
All 4 of those results happened in seasons when ManU went on to win the league – don’t you find that embarrassing?
Because you should.
The sexgenarian needs to cum then come to his senses and calm down
For free!
Honestly, the entire Ozil wage issue is boring the hell out of me now.
Let him keep his entire wage for the next one year and then f*ck of to wherever.
China is out of the question, maybe a gulf state club will give him a big contract.
He has one foot out of the club in any case.
The world is suffering a pandemic but Pierre is still ‘fighting the good fight’. Why? It’s one thing to have an opposing opinion to the majority ( nothing wrong with that at all, obviously) but to repeat this message again and again to an audience that is for the most part, in full disagreement to his point of view, mystifies me. It’s some sort of misplaced martyrdom. The idea that Pierre, by quoting Untold after being accused of regurgitating from that site, somehow is a wind up where he comes out as the winner is baffling to the say the… Read more »
Does anybody else find Sid’s last post disturbing?
Pierre with a complete meltdown this morning. Imagine copy pasting all those headlines.
Marc
“All 4 of those results happened in seasons when ManU went on to win the league – don’t you find that embarrassing…because you should?”
Oh dear Marc….
2011/12
United 1-6 city
2011/12 league champions
MANCHESTER CITY.
Don’t you find that embarrassing…
because you should.
Bob
“The world is suffering a pandemic but Pierre is still ‘fighting the good fight’. Why?”
A hundred different posts slating Ozil whilst the world is suffering a pandemic.
I highlight the good and positive things that Ozil is doing in his life for the sick and deprived children in the world and you question my motives ….why.
Oh dear Pierre
You’re clearly going senile because that wasn’t one of the results you quoted the other day.
So no I’m not embarrassed but you’ve just embarrassed yourself again.