‘Coefficient’ is my new fave word

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Lots of back and forth on the great Mesut Ozil debate. At the core of it for me is the exceptionalism that folks think he’s entitled to. The best way to frame these sorts of arguments is to imagine how you’d react to them in your own life.

Firstly, imagine on your team there was an underperforming superstar that earned double what the second-best player on your team earned. Probably a bit of a kicker, but you get past that because you are a mature adult minding your own business. Now imagine that everyone agreed to a pay decrease to save the company that has made your entire team incredibly wealthy.

Is there any scenario where you and the 22 that took the pay decrease could reconcile that sort of behaviour? Probably not. The German’s pay cut, if he were to take it, amounts to 6x what Bukayo Saka earns at the moment. The 19-year-old has made 12 goal contributions this season, Mesut has made 4.

I’ve seen people talking up his charitable contributions that amount to roughly 10% of his salary. A tremendous effort, I’d never critique that sort of generosity. However, people fail to understand that charitable donations and taking a voluntary pay cut are not mutually exclusive. Take this mentality into your own life. Is there any business in the world at the moment that has charitable contributions in the mixer when they’re dishing out mandatory pay decreases? No. It’s exceptionalism wrapped in children’s hospital beds.

The future of the club is hanging in the balance. 12.5% shouldn’t be an ordeal. Roma players agreed to 40% cuts for 4 months. Juventus players gave up £81m. Aleti, Sevilla, and Barca players gave up 70%. How can any player in the Premier League muster an argument about reducing their pay? How can any player, with a straight face, ask to see what the business implications are of the entire game freezing overnight?

The good news coming from ESPN is that he’s apparently doing a deep dive into how the money is going to be spent and that his team has verbally agreed to the deal. We’ll see how that pans out. Hopefully, he does the right thing. If he doesn’t, it’ll be fascinating to see if there’s a reaction from the coach. You can’t build a strong culture if there is exceptionalism when it comes to sacrifice like this.

Mikel Arteta did a fun AMA on the Twitter.com. His favourite midfielders were Santi, Rosicky and Aaron Ramsey. That bodes well for taste levels when he dives into the transfer market this summer.

He also confirmed suspicions of this site about David Luiz. The Brazilian is taking his coaching badges. It looks like his impeccable attitude to the new coach is tightly linked to the hope that he lands a job with the club when he retires. A smart move, he probably sees Mikel as a role model for his career path. David Luiz has it all to be a good coach, he’s smart, articulate, has won everything, and he has gravitas. Would be great to keep him around when he hangs up the boots.

What he refused to talk about was Thomas Partey’s dad who has gone on the radio to explicitly tell the world his son is in talks with Arsenal about a move to North London.

‘I called my son after hearing the rumours and he told me that the rumours are true,’

‘He told me they are holding talks between him and Arsenal. ‘It all depends on the offer Atletico are demanding. If he goes to Arsenal fine, they have a lot supporters in Ghana.’

This move would make sense for Arsenal. He’d be absolutely perfect for the league. He’s the player we’ve been crying out since Paddy left. My concern with these sorts of leaks is they seem a bit too obvious. His dad isn’t a fan of Arsenal, he’s a fan of his son making a shit tonne of cash. This feels like a negotiation tactic with Atleti who badly underpay him.

That said, I’d LOVE to be wrong. £43m for a signing that’d completely change our midfield would be an absolute steal. I just don’t know where we’re finding the money? We’d have to be making some serious sales to make that happen. Auba? Lacazette? Which mega clubs are coming with big dollars this summer?

I think most transfer rumours at the moment are going to be players trying to land bigger deals. No one can be banking on a big money move at this time. But we’ll see…

Finally, some DELICIOUS theorising going on… if the season is voided and CL places are decided on UEFA coefficients, Arsenal are making Champions League baby.

Couldn’t think of a fairer approach.

See you in the comments you wonderful people. x

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Trevor Pallas

Alone

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Don’t bode well Pedro does it.

JAMES WOOD

Dinners on he table but hey./

JAMES WOOD

Missed again

GillespieRoadNoMore

Had to wait to the very end for a taste of coefficients, unlikely IMHO.

Press Box Gooner

Tr4phy?

Frank C

Yes, unlikely and certainly not deserved.

Guns of SF

top 10

Ishola70

This current situation with Ozil isn’t about how much money he gives up and where it ends up.

It’s about team and club unity. Acting as one.

That he wants to apparently furrow his own line with this sums him up in regards to his lack of being seen as a team man.

Sid

Would prefer Diaby over Ramsey, Rosiky and Santi i agree with.

Tom

Marc
Zika virus from the Zika forest, Ebola from the Ebola River, Hanta virus from Hantan river, West Nile virus, Guinea Worm, Spanish flue, MERS- Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome, Lyme disease, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever………….

If Wuhan was a place in Africa you can bet your left nut we’d be calling it the Wuhan virus.

Marc

Pedro

Nice piece mate and thanks for continuing to keep posting when there’s very little going on.

If the rumours about Atletico being interested in Laca are true then there’s a decent chunk of the fee in a swap – they also have a PTR in taking strikers who are not on everyone’s radar / written off and making them top quality – remember Forlan!

Marc

Tom

No argument form me on that and another case of the WHO being too politically soft on China – I mean their actions actually make Trump look reasonable!

Marc

Slightly concerned on Arteta’s pick of midfielders – don’t get me wrong the quality was there but two of them were serious sick notes (although a mate of mine is 100% that Rosicky wasn’t injured he just couldn’t keep off the Bolivian marching powder) and the other ended up with an injury that meant he nearly lost his foot!

Ishola70

Marc “Just as a reference Spanish Flu is reckoned to have killed 50 odd million globally – for Covid 19 to have a similar effect on the global population it’d have to kill something more than 200 million.” I only mentioned this 1968 pandemic because tbh I hadn’t come across it or heard of it before only just recently and in historical timeline terms it occurred just in the blink of the eye and I know some posters on here were floating around in 1968. All you ever see is reference to the Spanish Flu. As for the naming of… Read more »

Ishola70

How informative and useful have the WHO been in this pandemic?

About as useful as the London mayor Sadiq Khan who is a total waste of space.

Ishola70

The 1968 pandemic was estimated to have killed around 100,000 US citizens.

This current one could top that especially if there is a second wave which happened in 1968.

And many are aware that the UK government information on overall deaths is vastly underplaying the numbers involved.

Probably the same scenario in the USA.

alex cutter

Like any of you would give up millions of your dollars to some fucking shady government without oversight, having no idea where your money was going to end up?

Jamie

Today’s piece straight out of the top drawer.

CG

Another cracker jack of a post from the guvnor. (9/ 10) But this Luiz and Arsenal…. I hope MA is not being as naive as PedRo in falling for this all Luiz flannel…. “”” Arteta is the best coach this , best coach that!”””” Total cobblers from an old pro, trying to eke out a few more bob. Don’t forget nobody knows Luiz better than Frank Lampard and Chelsea. They didn’t want him around : they didn’t think he was a good influence and they didn’t think he was coaching material. In fact , the 1st decison – Lampard made… Read more »

Guns of SF

Pedro
what are the UEFA coefficients? How does that put us in CL??
Im guessing it factors EL success somehow

Guns of SF

never mind I see the Sun article.
Seems highly unlikely IMO

James wood

Marc 16.58
Must ECHO your praise of Pedro and his tireless efforts.
Le Grove my go to site.
Thank you.

Marc

I don’t know any match going fans who were complaining or mourning about Wenger leaving. He was great for us over a decade ago but those continually calling for his return aren’t doing his legacy a favour they’re just tarnishing it even further.

Marc

SF If the various leagues that put clubs into the EL and CL can’t be finished UEFA has a choice – not have European competition for a season or find a way that at least appears fair in who they select, they can’t use the league standings when things were put on hold as not all teams had played the same number of matches, you can also argue that recent form would be argued to be relevant. As it stands the coefficient is something that is used every season in determining who’s seeded and who’s not etc so clubs can’t… Read more »

Marc

sid

Don’t say that you’ll start CG off on one of his racist rants.

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Reports saying party is a done deal….

Whose off then…?

Marc

RSPC

Possibly Laca in part exchange – I’m more worried where we’re going to find the money to pay someone to take Xhaka off of our hands!

Ishola70

Partey would be good and I hear fans talking about the need for atleticism in the side in midfield.

But I then hear plenty of fans then talking about a Partey-Xhaka partnership in the middle which then defeats the object of this “athletic” midfield if an unathletic midfielder remains in it.

Caligooner

Would prefer Diaby over Ramsey, Rosiky and Santi i agree with.

Not sure what this is about. Ramsey scored cup winning goals. Plural.

NJ Gunner

Great piece Pedro. Thank you. I think that swapping players will be the order of the day. So, Laca to Atletico would be the obvious swap with some small change going one way or the other. The question in these swaps will come down to wages and incentives. Senior Arsenal players are so well paid that it’ll be hard to convince many clubs to accept that burden in this financial climate. Imagine buying an asset if you don’t know when you will be able to actually use it and under what circumstances (e.g. no revenues from match attendance)? I think… Read more »

Marc

“But I then hear plenty of fans then talking about a Partey-Xhaka partnership in the middle ”

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pierre

Pedro
Maybe not, but I do know that Ozil is way too smart to lose the support of the fans for the sake of 12.5% of his wage.

Marc

Pierre

You’re assuming he’s still got the support of the majority of fans – most wouldn’t lose any sleep if he was sold in the summer, some would be glad to get the wages off the books.

Ozil’s gone in 13 odd months that might not see much football and a good chunk of what there is could be behind closed doors – I’m not sure Ozil gives much of a fuck about Arsenal fans.

andy1886

Pierre, you don’t ‘know’ jack about Ozil, it’s just your opinion which is no more valid than anyone else’s.

Marc

andy

Actually there’s a reasonable argument that Pierre’s opinion of Ozil is so biased that it shouldn’t be considered full stop.

A fanatic can very occasionally be right but that still doesn’t mean you should spend too much time taking their opinions on board.

andy1886

Marc, true. As the saying goes even a broken clock is right twice a day which is probably a significantly higher success rate than poor old Pierre enjoys.

HillWood

Regarding Ozil
Everyone knows he didn’t accept the 12.5% reduction
But it’s been reported he would have taken a greater reduction for the good of the club if it had been presented to him properly
Anyone can jump on the bandwagon of slating him but until the facts emerge it’s all hearsay

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Marc

If we start signing players ..
The incumbent players will quite rightly get annoyed,

Dissenter

Pedro
Clubs are going to need to sell this summer to balance their books.
COVID-19 will define the transfer window.
I see the Partey deal happening for that reason.

Dissenter

Tom
“If Wuhan was a place in Africa you can bet your left nut we’d be calling it the Wuhan virus.”

You sneaky bastard. You have to be an informed gambler o just anatomically enlightened to make that point.

The left testicle is bigger than the right one; has a longer vein which makes it more likely to have trouble draining. The left testicle is more prone that the right to testicular torsion, varicocele and other pathologies.

Why not bet your right testicle?

Overmars

Agree with Pierre regarding the Ozil situation. Idiots like Morgan and Carragher jumping on the bandwagon straight away without knowing the full details.

I’m sure Ozil will be posting his side of the story across his social media accounts in the next few days.

Question: What if fan favorite Martinelli is one of the 3 players who has supposedly refused a pay cut? Would the fan base be as quick to jump on the kids back like they have with Ozil? I don’t think so.

Dissenter

Honestly the entire Ozil situation is boring.
In a sense, I can understand why Ozil , Mustafi and some players on loan may not want to agree with any pay cut. Their contracts are running out and it’s their last major pay days. Some of these players have no sense of belonging.
He can hold unto his full pay and then eff off to wherever he so chooses in 2021.

Dissenter

Overmars
If Martinelli refused a pay cut, it would be understandable since he’s one of the lowest paid players on the squad…and he has his family living with him.

Valentin

The official UK recommendation is now that some form of social distancing will need to kept until an effective vaccine or treatment is found. Neither likely to be available before 2021. Looking at the previous published account number and the rumoured cash reserve, if football does not restart until next calendar year, Arsenal (like many club) would not last that long. So the rumour about Özil wanting reinsurance that this is the final salary reduction of this year the club will impose on players starts to make sense. I was reading that one of the points that Özil raised during… Read more »

HillWood

Dissenter
If the Ozil situation is so boring to you why are you responding to it
My guess is you just enjoy seeing your name on here ?

Overmars

Dissenter
Martinelli I would guess is on around 20 to 30 grand a week. I’m sure that with a 12.5% pay cut, his family wouldn’t be on the streets begging for food.

Without knowing the figures, Ozil I would think pays more in tax per month then what most people earn in in 10 years. And has various charities relying on him.

I’m sure Ozil is doing his bit.

Dissenter

Valentin Asking a question that cannot be answered with a straight face is a bit disingenuous. There are too many variable involved in whether this will be the last wage reduction because football and the general world has not been in this position ever before. There are too many known unknowns and unknown unknowns involved. The club can not answer that question because not even the government cannot answer it. You can only plan for the short and medium term in this current climate Refusing to proceed with a wage reduction because Arsenal don’t have a crystal ball is kinda… Read more »

Dissenter

Overmars
Unless Arsenal gas increased Martinelli’s wages, he cannot be on more than 10k weekly. Himself and Saka earn less than 10k weekly.

Dissenter

*Unless Arsenal just increased

Overmars

Dissenter Just under half a million pounds a year before tax for both of them. Saka and Martinelli will very likely be earning over 100k a week within the next 5 years, so if either of them haven’t accepted the pay cut, I would expect them to receive the same criticism as Mesut Ozil has done. In all honesty, only the players and board will know what really goes on behind the scenes. Every one, include John Cross of the The Mirror, is guessing. You never know, Ozil could have offered to pay a few of the staffs mortgages or… Read more »

Overmars

Darren Bent talking sense on talksport: “People gloss over the good he does,” “That 12.5 per cent comes out of his wages anyway to various charities, but people don’t want to talk about that because he’s a hate figure.” “Ozil is a bit like Paul Pogba; he’s public enemy number one. Can you image if Pogba did this? I would blow up!” “Also, there are supposed to be three of them that have said no, and yet Ozil is the only one being named.” “We know that’s because of his wages, because he’s on £350,000-a-week; but I don’t care how… Read more »

Dissenter

I don’t know how charity deductions are done in the U.K. but in the states you can deduct a big chunk of your charity deductions
You can donate 1 million and get all or may of it bac with the help of crafty tax attorneys.
Besides giving money to your favorite charities is not the same as helping the Arsenal through difficult times.

Dissenter

Overmars
The board ain’t that important anymore.
It’s Raul and Vinai that are running the club day to day
Ozil’s agent is the one who inadvertently rated him out when he stated that wage deferrals are the only measure his client will accept.

Tony

Good read Pedro I doubt the tax rate is going to change for players’ losing 12.5%, so their real losses are less than being quoted. Generally, charity donations are also tax deductible (I have no idea what the tax breaks are these days). That doesn’t take away the good players, spots people, actors and companies are doing by spending money they would normally pay in income tax. What I haven’t seen acknowledged here is that Ozil and his manager have often reminded us they will only accept a deferred cut in Ozil’s income to be repaid at a later date… Read more »

Overmars

Dissenter “I don’t know how charity deductions are done in the U.K. but in the states you can deduct a big chunk of your charity deductions You can donate 1 million and get all or may of it bac with the help of crafty tax attorneys. Besides giving money to your favorite charities is not the same as helping the Arsenal through difficult times” I’m not sure about dodgy tax attorneys, but are you suggesting that every footballer who donates part of their wages to charity only does so for their public image as they can claim all of it… Read more »

Pierre

Andy “Pierre, you don’t ‘know’ jack about Ozil, it’s just your opinion which is no more valid than anyone else’s.” It is just my opinion , it makes no difference if it is right or wrong but I tend to look at things logically, and if something doesn’t make sense, then it’s not true. Ozil being slated by carragher and Piers Morgan (amongst others) shows how ignorant they are. They will be made to look fools when the dust settles and they see what Ozil is prepared to sacrifice compared to others. There is a common consensus that it was… Read more »

Valentin

Dissenter,

I am sorry but whenever an employer ask employees to make sacrifice for the next 2~3 years, it is a legitimate for the employees to ask what is the medium term plan.
Because if the plan is to ask every 3 months players for a pay cut until the league restarts, that’s not really a plan. Begging is not a long term strategy.
It should be clear that in UK there won’t be any professional football for at least 6 months. What is Arsenal plan to survive without football until 2021?

Habesha Gooner

I liked ozil as a player. But he keeps putting himself in the headlines for the wrong reasons than being great on the football pitch. He is on 350 k a week. He doesn’t need the money. This is a PR disaster for him. people may understand him bit also maybe him as a money grabbing cunt. He didn’t need the heat. I don’t see this as a matter of principle. People are saying Kroenke is a billionaire so he could afford to pay everyone but are u really willing to say that players are doing their job? Don’t they… Read more »

Valentin

Arsenal is one of few clubs who had a TV channel and for obscure reasons decided to switch it off in most of the world. That would have been another source of income. It should then be possible to use it to produce worthy media content that Arsenal fans around the world would be willing to pay. The premiership is demanding that every club manager and two players are available for interview to both Sky and BT every two weeks. The Arsenal TV could be doing the same. That would not compensate the complete loss of revenue, but at least… Read more »

Terraloon

Valentin Football Clubs TV channels playing via the Sky / BT platform was prohibitive in terms of production and broadcast costs. In the UK I think it’s now only Liverpool and Man U that haven’t moved to either their own you tube channel or content can be accessed via an app. My brother used to subscribe to Chelsea TV he paid under a tenner a month but that’s not the case any more pre match etc is via a free app. Arsenal have an subsidiary company called Arsenal Broadband it also has a separate company ( I can’t Rembrandts what… Read more »

CG

HG “” There is no way I can blame Kroenke for trying to reduce employees salary till football comes back”””” No off course not. Hammer Ozil instead. Quite hilarious, ‘the lefties’ and the ‘progressives ‘ once again hammering the working class Ozil who has made his money through his innate talent and yet defend the Billionaire American cowboys. …….these phoneys – they never tire of making themselves look daft or tying themselves in knots We have Dissenter continually defending Stan K. We have the Guv promoting Amazon and their billionaire owner. ( Bezos?) If Stan can turn 2 billion down… Read more »

Pierre

CG
100% agree.

Jamie

There’s a surprise. Pierre agrees with CG that we need more Ozils in the world. Cute.

Overmars

‘#AFC | Arsenal have confirmed to Sky Sports News that David Luiz, Alexandre Lacazette, Nicolas Pepe and Granit Xhaka have been spoken to by the club after breaking lockdown rules.’

I’m waiting for Le Grove to hammer these players like they have been with Ozil.

Ishola70

Overmars I can slag Xhaka for you if you want.

And David Luiz is a twat. Only the misguided are now putting him up as a great pro just because he now plays for Arsenal.

Are these the only ones to get caught.

It’s doubtful that Arsenal FC are keeping a 24hr check on their players. They were either snitched or the police have informed the club.

US soldiers have been punished quite severley in South Korea for breaking lock down rules.

Arsenal will just wag a finger and say naughty boys don’t do it again.

CG

Ishola

“”””””And David Luiz is a twat. Only the misguided are now putting him up as a great pro just because he now plays for Arsenal.”””””””

Absolutely,

Worryingly including our impressionable but talented young head coach.

Habesha Gooner

Honestly It’s not just about him reducing his wages, He didn’t show he is a team player. I mean guys on lower wages that have contributed far more than Ozil this term have agreed to it, Arteta has agreed to it, Even the non playing stuff are cutting one third of their wages. He is not the only one I blame though. anyone who didn’t agree to that cut is a cunt as well. We can see there is no revenue, So Do they think it doesn’t affect us at all? It will take away our ability to spend. We… Read more »

Pierre

Overmars it’s like we have 200 Piers Morgan’s on Le Grove who like Morgan, have very little understanding of what quality is on a football pitch and in football management. Morgan on Emery “He’s exactly what we need, it’s the first time I’ve been excited since 2007/08. Any Arsenal fan who doesn’t think this is the right appointment is living in cloud cuckoo land” ….Morgan would feel right at home with all the know nothing’s on Le Grove. Still no apology from Morgan for his continuous slandering of Wenger for ten years, no admittance of how wrong he was…what a… Read more »

Sid

OvermarsApril 23, 2020 09:29:27
I’m waiting for Le Grove to hammer these players like they have been with Ozil.

Apples and oronges, keep waitng

Im telling you this for free!

Valentin

Terraloon, The reason the TV production cost were so prohibitive is because they were organised the same way big TV production were. Arsenal TV was not a rich TV channel, they should be organised more like indie media production organisation. Leaner, more reactive. I attended U21 games and initially the size of their TV crew was ridiculous! If ArsenalFanTV can produce segments of similar quality (technology wise) with a 2 man band, why Arsenal needs 10 people to do interviews? The company I work for has an external digital consultant who does media, act as our photographer, shoot our executive… Read more »

Spanishdave

With Stan it’s about accumulating wealth to an extent its a disease .
When you own a company there are times you have to put money into it, but heh ho these greedy dicks it about taking out .
Branson’s the same and guess what Delta own his company he sold out a controlling shares to them so he could stash more cash.
Stans having a right old laugh seeing the players helping the club while he holds onto his wallet.

Jamie

“Still no apology from Morgan for his continuous slandering of Wenger for ten years, no admittance of how wrong he was…what a mug.” Hilarious! To whom does Morgan owe this ‘apology’? You? What was Morgan wrong about, the need to bin Wenger? I’d like to see you demand an apology from Pedro for the same reason, but everyone here knows you’re a wimp who pops a semi when he agrees with one of your posts. “Yep, Morgan would feel right at home here on Le Grove.” Yep, and you would feel right at home on Untold – maybe you’ve heard… Read more »

CG

Spanish

“”””””When you own a company there are times you have to put money into it, but heh ho these greedy dicks it about taking out.”””””””””””

Well said Spanish.

If any of my properties back on the Eastern Cape suffer roof damage because of a tornado or another Act of God like incident ( ie. like soccer has with this Corona)………. I don’t go asking my gardeners or cleaner to take a pay cut to fix it.

I fix it . I take full responsibility for it.

And Stan should fix Arsenal’ s ‘roof ‘too.

CG

Spanish

“””””Stans having a right old laugh seeing the players helping the club while he holds onto his wallet.””””

Sublime.

Ishola70

So no football then for the rest of this year it seems or at the best football played behind closed doors.

Hancock keeps making declarations in these UK Covid briefings that won’t be met in a certain time period. His latest a few days ago hinting that a vaccine could be pushed through in quick time.

Then the next day Whitty the science go to man for the government contradicts Hancock and says expecting a vaccine before this year is out is highly unlikely.

Shut up Hancock.

andy1886

Ishola, the government are going to need a fall guy to take the heat after this and who better than the Health Secretary? Admittedly he is a bit of a bell end but he’s not the only incompetent , just the most obvious target (it’s not going to be Boris, he’s already got the sympathy vote tied up).

Pierre

Jamie defending a mug like Piers Morgan, there’s a surprise.

Any Arsenal fan ( Morgan) who on a daily basis runs the club down on national TV is not my idea of a football supporter.

Pedro writes a blog and a very good blog at that.
I don’t agree with half of what he posts but he is astute enough to understand that fans have different opinions on the game.

QWe are singing from the same hymn sheet now.

Marc

Ishola I think some of the politicians are making a grave mistake in trying to pander to the press’s constant demand for “what next”. The press were screaming for a lock down and now they’re screaming as to why we’re not ready to come out of it. The politicians are used to talking things up / trying to put a good spin on things, scientists don’t’ generally do that. Of course they have been mistakes by the government (no government in Europe will come out of this with a perfect record) but I think the press has been incredibly irresponsible… Read more »

Pierre

Jamie
” What was Morgan wrong about”

Erm , Let me think ?

“Be careful what you wish for” should be written on Morgan’s gravestone.

That entitled man has been a total embarrassment to Arsenal football club.
He has done more harm to the club than any Tottenham, United or Chelsea fan could ever do.

Marc

Pierre

Whilst I do think Piers Morgan is a tit of the highest order you claiming he’s done more harm to the club than any fan of the Spud’s, ManU or Chelsea is daft.

I’d like to see you list some of the things he’s done to cause harm to the club?

Jamie

Pierre – Show me where I defended Morgan. You can’t, because I didn’t. I asked you to whom and for what did he owe and apology? Is it you he owes it to? Do tell. We all know Pedro writes a very good blog, that’s why most of us are here. For the others like you and CG, this is a place to come and eulogize Wenger while you circle-jerk each other over his 3 FA Cups in 12 years with over a billion quid spent on players and wages in that time. Sweet return. “We are singing from the… Read more »

Marc

Jamie

Pierre has on here stated that he stopped going to matches and I’m pretty sure it was before Wenger left. As you say he operates on two primary agenda’s – Wenger and Ozil – Arsenal Football Clun comes a distant third.

Pierre

Marc
Name me one person with such a high profile as Morgan who ( when wenger was manager) continually embarrassed the club with their rantings about Wenger.

It would have been pointless bringing on someone to defend Wenger for a reasonable debate as Morgan would continually interrupt as he loves the sound of his own voice so much.

And now he has turned from a Wenger obsessive to a Ozil obsessive , just like many have on Le Grove.

GunnerDNA

@Jamie

“How much have you spent supporting Arsenal over the last decade? Considerably less than Morgan, yet here you are with your self-entitled rants on the damage fee-paying supporters inflicted on the club while you hide in your bedroom and contribute nothing”

You hit the nail on the head!

Pierre

I dangle the bait and Jamie and Marc will bite every time…

And yes Jamie , Pedro and I are singing from the same hymn sheet.

Pedro knows that there is nothing better to get a reaction on Le Grove than to bring Ozil into the conversation.

Arteta is the man to take us forward…

Pierre

Gunner DNA
I’ve paid my dues thanks , but it doesn’t give me the right to go on national TV and embarrass the club on a daily basis as Morgan used to do .

Unsurprisingly, he has been very quiet on the management situation since Wenger left..

I wonder why.

Marc

Pierre

Ignore him then – don’t watch his TV program, hit him where it hurt’s his ratings. Morgan might have been overly vocal but that doesn’t change the fact that Wenger had lost it and was nowhere near the manager he was when he joined. The club is better off now Wenger is no longer with us and I for one am glad he hasn’t moved into an “upstairs” position at the club.

andy1886

“And now he has turned from a Wenger obsessive to a Ozil obsessive , just like many have on Le Grove.”

Pierre, I take it that you have actually heard of the term ‘Projection’? Looks suspiciously like a textbook definition right there….

“I dangle the bait and Jamie and Marc will bite every time…”

You might want to look up the term ‘trolling’ too while you’re at it.

Marc

andy

Pierre takes a position that any balanced fan would see as “unreasonable” (I’m trying to be polite) and when anyone engages then they are “obsessive”.

Now with the general state of things and lack of anything new to talk about Pierre is as you say either trolling or has a serious mental issue.

Dissenter

Piers Morgan is an utter prick He was so annoying that I used to feel sorry for Wenger’s when he was at the receiving end. Even if I had to pick one of the two…I’ll pick Wenger any day. Piers is the biggest blowhard in the planet. He thinks he’s an expert at everything. Wasn’t he the editor of the news of the world when they were hacking the phone of a missing young girl, relatives of UK service men and victims of terrorism? I see him as one the most vile of the vile in the entertainment industry. He’s… Read more »

Marc

Dissenter

I have a very simple way of dealing with Piers Morgan – I don’t watch anything he’s on.

It works a treat.

Kenyangunner

Has Partey joined the party yet?

Thomas

If it were up to that wanker Pierre Arsenal would’ve been stuck with Wenger for the foreseeable future. One question Pierre: How long should Wenger have been allowed to continue? Two years? Three? Five? Ten? Where do you draw the line?

Up 4 grabs now

Afternoon, Pedro congrats on keeping things going in this difficult time. i thought interlulls were bad but this is taking the piss! players will move on eventually when the window opens 42 million for partey isnt exactly huge money. Even if we dont swap lacazette im pretty sure we get 18-20 million for xhaka 7-8 million for Miki and maybe 4-5 million for Elneney (lol remember him) That leaves us 9-10 million or so short for partey not exactly breaking the bank even in this times. and we still have plenty of dead wood that can be shifted on for… Read more »

Terraloon

https://twitter.com/martynziegler

More likely to be PPG than coefficient

Ishola70

That interview he did with that women minister recently was quite funny though purely from an entertainment perspective of course. She kept laughing and smiling through the topics of death and Coronavirus and Piers was haranguing her. Why you laugh and smile? She was only laughing and smiling Piers because she has been told she is a dolly by enough people. Helen Whately was her name. As for Piers himself he shouldn’t be taken too seriously. Proof of the strange and unprecedented times we live in is that he has actually been described as the mouthpiece of the nation in… Read more »

Marc

Terraloon

I’m not sure points per game is a fair way of judging the league when a quarter of the season still has to be played. Some teams have had harder fixtures than others, some have an easier run in etc.

You might as well look at form over the last 5 or 10 matches if you’re going to take league performance into account.

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