Resilient performance shows Arteta is building from the back

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Arsenal dropped two points away from home at Crystal Palace. The result was disappointing considering the blistering start, but when you factor the loss of Torreira at half time, and the dismissal of Auba for an awful challenge, it’s hard not to be satisfied with the performance.

Arteta picked the same team as he did for his last outing in Premier League, the first time that’s happened in over a year. We controlled the opening 30 minutes and made Palace look distinctively average. The problem was we did very little with possession outside a goal. We had one attempt in the first 45 minutes, that’s not good enough.

That attempt did lead to a goal, which was nice. David Luiz was the maker in the move, he was brilliant in the first half, Palace didn’t know what to do with him. His pass through the middle found Mesut, he touched to Lacazette who fed Auba for the simple finish. A lovely goal. 18 passes. Arsenal of old.

The more worrying thing was the that there was another noticeable dip in our physical performance, after 30 minutes, we faded again and we let Palace into the game. Hard not to put that down to going big in the FA Cup in the week. Palace rotated and played 5 academy kids, we went big and played a lot of our senior players in a brutal game against a brutal side that will run you off the park.

Events weren’t helped by the loss of Lucas Torreira. He went off injured and we had to introduce Matteo G to the mix, and he’s simply not comparable at the moment. The goal was desperately unlucky, we didn’t close down a shot in our box fast enough (LT probably would have), Ayews strike ricocheted off Luiz’ foot and flew over Leno. A horrible goal.

Hard to think Arteta will be happy with how many players were on hand to defend the threat in our box. Lacazette didn’t track, our midfielders bunched up in the middle, and we weren’t sharp enough.

Auba made things worse after a horrendous challenge on Max Meyer, it looked like a straight-up ankle breaker, crazy that it took 5 minutes for the muppets in VAR to decide that the clearest red card of the year was in fact a red card. Interestingly, the last Arsenal player to score at Palace and see red was… Arteta.

The manager didn’t wet the bed and go for 9 at the back, he brought on Martinelli for Ozil and went for it.

Like peak-Wenger teams of old, we actually looked better with 10 men. We went very close towards the end after Gabriel found Lacazette in the Palace box, the Frenchman fed in Pepe who casually curled a shot at the back post, but Guaita pulled off a miracle double save, tipping the ball onto the post, then being alert to stop the second shot from Lacazette. Desperately unlucky.

Overall, we were pretty poor in the final third, an insight captured perfectly when Pepe picked the ball out on the right late on, he had Xhaka on the overlap (lololol) and he played his simple pass into a Palace full-back.

The points ended up being shared. When you look at the game in all its glory, it was probably fair. Plenty for the manager to work on.

Thoughts:

The theme of the day was resilience. The team will have been fatigued after the exerts of the last 3 weeks… and obviously, playing the hardest working team in the country midweek didn’t help. I’d normally expect a flaky performance, we didn’t see that. We had a great opening 30, but couldn’t maintain it.

Additionally, things went against us. We lost one of our best players to injury, our captain was sent off, we conceded an unlucky goal, we hit the inside of the post… but we stayed focused. We didn’t become victims, something I think has been a clear issue over the last 5 years.

We also limited Palace. Say what you will about Hodgson, but he knows how to get at us. They hit the target 4 times and had to make do with a deflection for their equaliser. Arteta is building a defensive foundation and it seems to be working in the main. Xhaka continued to drop into the defence giving him the freedom to pick out passes, but also reducing the exposure Kola has to pressure situations. AMN kept Zaha very, very quiet. David Luiz continued to impress, he leads like a beast, he’s confident on the ball, and he was an attacking threat all game, he made the most attacking passes in the final 3rd, clocking up 13. He was also the architect of our goal with a line breaking pass through the middle.

We’re still compact, everyone seems very calm, roles and responsibilities are clear.

Where we’re lacking is in attack. We aren’t creating a lot in the final 3rd. We hit the target 4 times today, but considering the possession, we should be doing better. I think that’ll come, our ability to score goals hasn’t been a worry, and I think when more players come back to full fitness, we won’t worry so much about that. I also think Auba’s 3 game suspension is a massive, massive opportunity for Gabriel to show the world he’s the man to lead the line next season. He is the embodiment of what Arteta attacking football should be. Aggressive, hardworking, and sublimely talented.

The main goal for Arteta over the next few weeks is extending out how much good football he gets per game. We’re maxing out between 40 and 55 minutes. That’ll be down to fitness and relearning how to give your all in every minute of a game. It’s still exciting, you can see where this is going and though results will be rocky, the squad will be firing on all cylinders when we start next season. Top 4 was never on for us, the most we can hope for this season is a good cup run, when you frame the season a long preseason, it makes results like today easier to stomach.

Let me know YOUR thoughts in the comments. xxx

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  1. Paulinho

    “The more worrying thing was the that there was another noticeable dip in our physical performance”

    It wasn’t a physical drop. Palace decided to press us and we don’t have the ability to play through the lines. For that you need a David or Bernardo Silva, a Hleb, a Lobotka, a Grealish profile of player.

    If we look like we’ve physically dropped a level it’s because it is physically and mentally draining being unable to string passes together under duress when you don’t have the tools to. The only time we’ve played decent football is when teams have started slow, sat deep, and let our midfielders turn and pass into the forwards.

  2. Gonsterous

    Zachars
    January 11, 2020 15:24:40
    Gonsterous

    Very simple. To kill time for the draw

    Were we seriously playing for a draw? Against C.P?
    Oh boy, up the arsenal right?

  3. Sid

    It was just a matter of time for Torr to get an injury. Thing will get worse as more players get fatigued since the team is threadbare.

    You heard it here 1st

  4. Jeff

    It’s really funny how the “excuses” just keep coming. My god is better than your god. It’s all faith and religion with you lot isn’t it?

  5. Gonsterous

    I don’t want to sound negative, but I did warn that arteta would break the squad by playing the same players at a high intensity.

    Loads of positives but his inexperience shows big time. Bad substitutions again in this game.
    At least we are unbeaten. Need to keep the run going.

  6. Matt

    “”Our lack of goals is a significant worry” – there, fixed your typo.

    We should have been out of sight in the first half. Would have been a comfortable three points. But we lost control after 30 minutes and then it played into their hands – a tetchy, fouly game.

    Palace ALWAYS. come on strong towards the end of the game. Got to make hay when the sun shines.

  7. Spanishdave

    As I said our midfield contributes zilch towards scoring.
    All our better sides had goals coming in from all midfielders.
    Laca doesn’t score now, he could have lifted that rebound over the keeper but just panicked.
    We have a big problem to fix.

  8. Pedro

    Paulinho, also easier to control a game when you aren’t physically drained, which we did for 30 mins. We dipped and let Palace back in, who hadn’t fielded a strong team in their FA Cup game which was earlier than ours. Arsenal dipping has been a theme of our 5 games and will likely continue to be until we get up to speed.

  9. Marko

    The main goal for Arteta over the next few weeks is extending out how much good football he gets per game. We’re maxing out between 40 and 55 minutes.

    More changing of the goal posts. Gone from should be doing better to downplaying results to champions within two seasons to his main goal is getting good football for (insert number) mins per game. Next week we’ll beat Sheffield United and it’ll be something else.

  10. Pedro

    Gonsterous, what do you propose… that he doesn’t attempt to rectify the lack of effort and fitness in the squad for 5 months? Not like he’s preserving anything.

  11. TheLegendaryDB10

    Marko, Jamie

    I am just being realistic. This is going to be a work in progress. You want s new team? Well it has to start somewhere.

    You should all know that between AW unchanged training methods for 10+ years and whatever it was that UE was doing, these players have a serious mountain to climb begore getting back to playing good and organised football.

  12. alex cutter

    “We dipped and let Palace back in,…”

    They should have dipped into some of that special sauce you love so much.

    And drizzled it all over your buttocks.

  13. Sid

    AMN didnt keep Zaha quiet, Zaha has been quiet this season
    Xhakalson should not be dropping in defence we should have a midfieldr controlling tempo in midfield. With time every team will learn to attack us.

    Things are awful and we are just pepperin over cracks.

    Im telling you this for free!

  14. CG

    Fact Checker

    Palace 1 Arsenal 1

    Predicted Excrement.
    (Indeed Guaranteed Excrement these days.)

    Depleted Palace had 10 players out and have just come off a 1 zero loss at home to lowly Derby County.

    I see Tierney participated in the fixture.

    Shame it was the appalling ref.
    (Our 30 million left back predictably back in the treatment room.)

    PEA with his 3 game ban can now how have his holiday in Dubai or Gambia or wherever soccer players party these days

    We are a Midtable tedious team devoid of fluency and with no cash reserves to improve.

    Wenger leaves and we cant score at Goodison Park or beat Palace.

    4 attempts no wins against them

    But title coming within 2 seasons.???

    Raul and Edu will see us right though.
    Expertise right there.

    Deluded ( 90% on here)

    And all that’s The Truth

  15. Zacharse

    the attack needs to learn how to deal w persistent fouling and shithousing. They should try ACTUALLY cheating since they’ll be accused anyway. I think pepe is the weak point, when laca coming through the middle get 2-3 men on him, it should be pepe moving into space, but since he’s left footed it doesn’t quite work the same as w reiss plus he just doesnt work too hard off the ball or defensively. Would prefer to see reiss get a run in the next few games and see what he can do with a bit of consistency

  16. Pedro

    Marko, a month ago, your goalposts were set at Arteta being the guy that sets the cones. Not sure you’re in a place to be incoherently snarking.

  17. Paulinho

    Pedro – Palace let us have it, it had nothing to do with physical condition. They tried to play possum and catch us on the counter. As soon as we scored they moved their lines ten yards higher up the pitch and we folded, like we always do.

    Hodgson made a tactical error and should’ve pressed us from the start.

  18. Pedro

    Zach, I thought there was a bit more tactical fouling from us today… or maybe I’m just reframing Xhaka being too slow to tackle.

  19. Marko

    Funny thing is that people see criticism of Arsenal as criticism of Arteta and therefore not wanting him to do well. It’s the usual tribalism nonsense. Fact is bar one or two of the special cases you get around here most want Arteta to do well hence the arguments of why don’t we sign better players for him why don’t we get rid of certain types to make his life easier.

  20. Zacharse

    i think the point pedro makes about after 30 mins physicality beginning to lag has a bit more in this case to do w persistent fouling from ayew et al not being dealt with. i do realize this goes back to mentality and understanding what you’re up against and making in-game adjustments, but just look at the torr injury, blatant cyncial foul from zaha shoving pepe into him. no card. that’s the symbolic play of the game imo

  21. Pedro

    Paulinho, we didn’t fold. They managed 4 shots on target all game, and we still had the better chances when we went down to 10 men. If we’d rested players against Leeds, it’s a different game today.

  22. Ishola70

    The chuckle brothers Luiz and Xhaka in full effect for the Palace goal.

    Xhaka yet again turning his back on play in his own penalty area and Luiz just all round shit defending for the goal.

    But overall a point in this match now not as catastrophic after the Man United win.

    Need to back up this away draw with a home win over Sheffield United.

  23. Marko

    Marko, a month ago, your goalposts were set at Arteta being the guy that sets the cones.

    Arteta gets the job and all sense of humour is forgotten.

  24. Zacharse

    pedro

    i agree, but with the caveat that in cases they weren’t actually fouls and it had more to do with frustrations w the ref not calling the game squarely. just my opinion but i did notice quite a few non-fouls being called against us while ayew was shithousing really blatantly through the whole first half

  25. CG

    I forget the most important thing.
    (We may be going To The Dogs)

    But one must never forget ones manners.

    Thanking PedRo for his post.

  26. Paulinho

    Pedro – Our possession game went to shit. That’s what I mean by folded. We either pass back to the keeper or hoof it long when teams press us.

    We fought well, but we know long term success will depend on our play with the ball.

  27. Marko

    If we’d rested players against Leeds, it’s a different game today.

    Sounds like an Arteta criticism that. Expect a passive aggressive response from a certain poster in a moment. One could argue had we better options in midfield and defence we could have rotated better on Monday but alas it’s Arsenal stuck with the same players unable to find better

  28. Pedro

    Paulinho, what would you add to the mixer this summer?

    Zach, agree, need to get far smarter for next season, we’re very naive. Spillover from the niceties of the Wenger era

  29. Paulinho

    Pedro – We need players that come alive and thrive when teams press them. Chelsea have a few in Pulisic, William Kovacic. So try and add a ball-playing central midfielder, and a wide player of similar ilk. Bin Lacazette and bring in a more physical forward so the ball sticks up front. Soumare in deep midfield. I think we all want similar things more or less.

  30. Samesong

    Pedro

    I think Woy changed tactically. Ayew did nothing for 40 mins and then when they started to get physical he came more into game and they were able to press up the field.

    Our passing game went back previous. Torreira was struggling clearly after that drop on his thigh.

  31. Ishola70

    Paulinho
    “We fought well, but we know long term success will depend on our play with the ball.”

    Arsenal’s aspirations will be higher than just fourth place and the hope of a Europa League win once they get players that can play quick combination passing throughout the team.

    We saw glimpses of that from the forwards for the Arsenal goal.

    But it needs more than just the forwards to do this.

    We all see how adept Man City are at evading the opposition high press. Quick combination passing between several players and from midfield areas and deeper. Give and go. Pass and receive. Pinball machine passing. We don’t see this in the Arsenal midfield enough.

  32. CG

    Bob

    “””CG, your faux poshness is embarrassing but then it’s on a blog so your safe””

    Not as embarrassing as watch us play Bob every week.

    Our front 4 alone cost over £200 000 000 today- and we mustered 1 goal against their injury ravaged team.

    We are Embarrassing every week.

    And We have sunk so low so quickly – our wonderful editor- is incessantly praising David bloody Luiz as if he is Franz Beckenbauer.

    Embarrassing all round- I would say.

    Ahhhh! Chelsea 3 zero against Burnley- they are missing him..

    Deluded Robert

  33. Micheal

    The insescapable fact is that our midfield is a wasteland. The only player to show any quality today was Torriera who of course lasted only 45 minutes.

    Xhaka is a liability who cannot mark or tackle, has very poor positional sense and his distribution very weak – too often he passes sideways or back to the CB or FBs. He slows the game and is totally ineffectual in this key position.

    Ozil barely left a mark on this game. He is easily marked out of the game, his running off the ball is invariably misplaced and he does not contribute anywhere near enough to the positive play. It is impossible to regard him as even a moderate and reliable playmaker in the Premier League.

    Guen is a willing runner but lacks a football brain. Rarely invoved in game-changing moments. A scuffler.

  34. Zacharse

    Love how everyones writing about “injury plagued palace”

    Ya? Wonder why motherfucker! All
    They do is shithouse. Try playing some football and see what happens

  35. Nelson

    We need both CB’s who can pass the ball. Once the opponents find out that Luiz is the only one who can do it, they’ll close down on Luiz. It happened two games in a roll.
    If we still want to play out from the back, we need to sign a ball playing CB.

  36. G8

    Pedro good report, but i dont think we making any progress in term of our midfield control and offensive play.

    it’s the same old habit of taking your foot off the gas and resort to the lazy backward and sideways passing
    I counted at least 6 times clear forward and attacking passes available, that could have lead to good scoring opportunities, and our useless lot ignored it or didn’t see it and played backward..
    Very frustrating and always come back to haunt us
    I give you that we were resilient after the sending off though.

  37. Pedro

    G8, really not sure you can take the view our midfield hasn’t improved.

    Paulinho, Lacazette needs to go this summer. Just unsure who’d take him, super fanciful to think Atleti will be in for him.

  38. vickingz

    Said it before that arteta is setting himself up for a catastrophic downfall if he still thinks and persists with xhaka. Arteta is clearly at fault for today’s result, forget the palace got physical nonsense like we didn’t know palace would get physical. We folded up once we got the goal, we stopped playing forward, we started playing in our own half, dunno who the players thought they were. Our back passes outweighs our front passes and our master technician watched it all along. Was that his game plan cos we imposed nothing today, I wonder what the game plan was.

  39. vickingz

    G8, you are so on point. Whenever our midfielders receive a pass, their first port of call was not to look up and see players on the front foot making runs but to play safe and they passed the ball back, they were doing it for fun today that made me wonder whether we are still under unai emery. Where were the one or two touches today?

  40. Pedro

    Vickingz, we didn’t fold. They had 4 shots on target, we made 25 tackles to their 32 (considering our possession, that equals out), we made 25 fouls, we went to 10 men.

    Folding is conceding 35 shots at Watford.

  41. Spanishdave

    ESR off to Huddersfield.
    Why?
    is Guendouzi. better than him? At least he can score which sideshow Bob can’t

  42. China1

    Pedro ‘it’s hard not to be satisfied with the performance’

    Nah I don’t think it was a good performance overall

    We played really well for 30 minutes. The red card didn’t happen until the 65th odd minute and I don’t think palace showed any particularly testing quality outside of willingness to run

    The positives for me were the first 30 mins, plus I liked guendouzi’s performance.

    The bad was ozil was missing, xhaka was average. Laca was awesome for the goal but otherwise dreadful. Pepe lacked end product outside of one good shot. AMN was okaaaay, but made some silly mistakes.

    I think it’s time we stop humoring laca’s poor form because he’s not scoring and he only provides a couple of good passes in each match. But he is fast turning into xhaka where his main contribution is just running around committing fouls (he has committed almost as many fouls this season as xhaka which is really telling because that’s 80% of what xhaka does…)

  43. Micheal

    “G8, really not sure you can take the view our midfield hasn’t improved.”

    Pedro: Our midfield has improved in only one aspect – the defence pushing higer restricts the gaps in the centre of the field. This is undoubtedly an improvement.

    But Xhaka’s immobility and weak distribution and the total ineffectiveness of Ozil means we cannot exploit the improvement.

  44. Gazza

    Was it just me as I thought Ozil was non existent today, & it was like having 10 men even before PEA got his early bath..

  45. TR7

    Did not watch the game but judging from the comments looks like we played well early on but Torr injury, constant fouling and pressing from Palace changed the balance of the game. Anyway not a bad result given the circumstances. Compact display from our defense and good possession – so good stuff once again from Arteta. Not expecting any major signing in January. I hope we sign a couple of good midfielders in summer who can deal with opposition press.

  46. G8

    Pedro our midfield hasn’t improved since Wenger last few season,
    backward and sideways passing iis the theme
    Obviously with the exception of 3 our 4 games, this has been our trade mark football for awhile.
    Keep the ball , play it save , passive football and definitely the wrong interpretation of possession football!

  47. China1

    I know this is a controversial opinion but I maintain zaha is easily one of the most overrated players in the PL

    He’s an explosive runner with quick feet but not particularly good end product which is reflected not only in his performances but his lack of goals and assists – and why he’ll probably never be a serious player at a major club

  48. CG

    Our Wengers last season results against Palace.

    4 1(h) 2-3(a)….7 goals 6 points.

    Our Wenger last season results against
    Everton.

    5-1 (h) 2- 5(a) ……10 goals… 6 points…

    But he left such a mess behind …..no players etc…..

    Well:

    We cant score at Everton anymore
    We cant beat Palace any more.

    Arsenal FC : the only club in the history of soccer that spent 1/4 billion on players and went BACKWARDS….and DROPPED 5 places in the process.

    As I say. We are garbage post Wenger.
    Absolute garbage

    T.H

  49. China1

    Yeah Gazza this was one of those games Pierre will probably pretend didn’t happen or blamemon the manager

    Ozil was not useful at all today

  50. Ishola70

    TR7

    “I hope we sign a couple of good midfielders in summer who can deal with opposition press.”

    Absolutely key.

    Quick and nimble not only physically but in thought.

  51. AKINZO

    You can’t be elated when your club is missing points but it’s simply foolhardy not to see the positive strides the players are making since Arteta took over. Some people can’t just feel alive when they don’t whinge. Arsenal is on a positive e trajectory and it’s a matter of time if we continue like this for results to be better. If this game was you see Emery there’s no doubt that it would ha e been a loss

  52. Wasi

    Massive opportunity for Martinelli to really make his in the first team now.
    If he develops enough in the next 5 months we may not need to replace Auba come summer allowing us to go and get our 1st choice defensive and midfield targets . Also the system which Arteta uses would suit Gabi more than it suits Auba. Auba is an out and out striker whereas Gabi is a hybrid of CF and LW. Gabi can be more effective in the half spaces when the opposition full back tries to block Kola which leaves Auba with space in the inside left area. Auba isn’t really effective in the build-up and usually passes it back to the midfield/defender or Kola. He doesn’t turn and drive the team forward which I think Martinelli would if played in that position.

  53. vickingz

    @ pedro, how didn’t we fold? What did we impose after the goal? Did we go to 10 men immediately after we scored? We started playing like nothing was at stake after we scored and decided it was time to train in back passing, time to relive “arsenal under emery”. This was what brought palace into the game. Their coach didn’t even say a word, yet they knew what was to be done to stifle us from playing and they did.

    Arteta said before the match that playing away at CP was always tough and he expected this game to be. Having this in mind, should he have condoned our lackadaisical attitude after we went a goal up? We came for second half like we were leading by ten goals, no positive energy, we were on the back foot.

  54. Marc

    Aces

    “Marc
    Arteta5 matches – 6 points = 1.2 points per game

    1+0+3+3+1 =8
    Maths!”

    Do you want to try that again? Maybe look at what matches Arteta has won? Maybe look at the fact he’s actually been in charge of 6 matches but one was a Cup match?

  55. Pedro

    G8, we have better shape, more aggression, we work harder, we are better off the ball and the players like LT are shining.

    CG, no one is interested in your hurt feelings over a manager so bad he currently has a desk job with the most corrupt org on the planet.

  56. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 11, 2020 15:52:44
    Funny thing is that people see criticism of Arsenal as criticism of Arteta and therefore not wanting him to do well. It’s the usual tribalism nonsense. Fact is bar one or two of the special cases you get around here most want Arteta to do well hence the arguments of why don’t we sign better players for him why don’t we get rid of certain types to make his life easier.

    Marko

    No, it’s just criticism of our players and staff in general
    And the refusal to understand the work that is being done. The appearance of some who seems to revel in the misfortune of our club and the defence of those who bring it down

    Almost like you’re after the opposite of what any normal fan wants
    It’s grating
    But it would grate less so if you were not such an antagonistic arse hole 95% of the time you surface here

  57. Pedro

    Vickingz, first half one shot. Second half, a man down, with no proper DM, we had 6 attempts with 3 on target.

    Hardly a fold.

  58. Sid

    Same, same, same,
    1. Relying on ozil wont end well
    2. Hyping up Xhakalson will alienate you from fans in the long run.
    3. We need a minimum 2 technical players, so that lesser players have an outlet all times.
    4. Sangare a better option for deep midfield and more achievable than Soumare.

    Im telling you this for free!

  59. Champagne charlie

    Southampton having a nice little upturn of late, Leicester being brought back down to earth.

    Pedro

    You’re banging your head against a wall with some folk here idk why you’re bothering.

    We’ve moved onto bemoaning a draw away at Palace after going down to 10 men, if people can’t fathom where we were previously ie losing game after game and conceding two dozen shots, then football isn’t for them.

    Arteta being boss and wanting to play possession football that dominates doesn’t suddenly mean that’s what’s going to happen every game, nvm 6 games into his tenure. We have some of the most reactionary fans going I swear.

  60. China1

    I’m running out of patience with laca

    For how long are we supposed to watch him just sprint around fouling people?

    Outside of one or two good passes per game, his performances have been wank all season. Say what you will about auba’s contribution but even at our lowest of low times, he was a nailed on goal scorer.

    If all laca is going to provide is 2 good passes per game, a lot of running and some fouls, that contribution is no better than a fit Danny welbeck.

    Considering he has some transfer value, his wages are not low, his contract situation and we have a couple of very promising strikers in the squad, I want to see us cash in on him and reinvest the money in CB, DM, CM or AM

    Laca’s performances this season really are the elephant in the room. We know xhaka is crap so when he plays pretty average like today it’s not great surprise. We know ozil will disappear regularly so same for him. But we’ve come to expect some value from laca and this season he’s been nothing short of dismal.

    Offer him to Whoever is willing to cough up 35-40m, take the money and run

  61. China1

    Charlie it would’ve been a defeat under emery and a far worse performance- but it still was not a particularly good performance overall

  62. G8

    Pedro, better shape and aggression only last 30 mins, then back to old habits..
    We had the same work rate and aggression and LT was the bees knees when Emery took over… we all know how it ended!
    The Art has to make radical changes in term of personnel IMO
    I leave it to that

  63. Sid

    Playing auba on the wings and laca centrally wont end well ask Emery lololol, if you have to play both 352 is the way.

  64. CG

    PedRo

    “””CG, no one is interested in your hurt feelings over a manager so bad he currently has a desk job with the most corrupt org on the planet.””””

    Yes., but our virtuous Wenger has gone there to clean it up…..to make it better.

    By the way….3 things

    I am Just pointing our facts.

    1.(Leeds who battered us Monday….are loosing two zero at home against Sheffield Wed
    We made them look like Brazil circa 1970 the other night.)

    2.We are going backwards at the rate of knots post Wenger – And we will continue to do so….in hindsight he should have been moved upstairs….and Vieira taken over or Henry or Arteta.

    3. I’m too old for hurt feelings.

  65. Champagne charlie

    China1

    You’re arguing something that’s not been stated. There’s a level of disappointment about aspects, but says plenty that we’re now bemoaning a point away at Palace with 10 men after an hour.

    There’s a wok ethic in place, a coherence, structure, we didn’t fold as is being claimed (and as we’ve seen previously). If you’re expecting a constant stream of good performances then you’re in for some disappointment.

    The second half of the season is a period that will be filled with teething pains, a sign of what’s to come, and the odd bad day at the office.

  66. RodneyKing

    “Arsenal dropped two points away from home at Crystal Palace. The result was disappointing considering the blistering start, but when you factor the loss of Torreira at half time, and the dismissal of Auba for an awful challenge, it’s hard not to be satisfied with the performance.”

    I did say that I’d take a point from this game. However, considering that we were playing against an injury ravaged Palace side, it’s really hard to be satisfied with the result.

    Had we made our possession in the first half count, we’d have had at least a 2-goal cushion and maybe, just maybe, Auba wouldn’t have had to make that tackle.

  67. CG

    G8

    “””CG, relax man, its only football …
    Unless you are in deep shit betting away all your savings !”””

    Indeed its only soccer.

    I share you a secret- I have devised a system-over many years where your losses are always low and your wins are permantely high…..allied to my footballing acumen- it’s a sure thing.

    I dont loose…
    I invest in the footballing futures market

    Ps. Saints who shipped in 9 at home are on the same level of points as us after 22 games.

    Going Swimmingly post AW.

  68. Samesong

    We started playing like nothing was at stake after we scored and decided it was time to train in back passing, time to relive “arsenal under emery”. This was what brought palace into the game.

    Going to take time to get that mentality out of players but agreed. Negative back passing.

  69. Champagne charlie

    Rodney

    Literally nothing absolves Auba for that challenge, there was never any need for such a lunge.

    Can only imagine the uproar if it was someone that folk routinely shit on.

  70. Pedro

    CG, if you were too old for hurt feelings, you wouldn’t constantly reference a manager that is so past it, no one would hire him.

    We are moving forwards under Arteta, that is a fact. Everything will improve under him. Just not in a month.

  71. Champagne charlie

    “We are moving forwards under Arteta, that is a fact. Everything will improve under him. Just not in a month.“

    The fact that has to be uttered is so bizarre to me, like there’s genuinely folk arguing we should be top 4 bound. 100% the specimens at school that ate the rubber on the end of the pencil and loved a dribble.

  72. Un na naai

    Freddie LjungbergJanuary 11, 2020 15:56:55
    DonCG and Victorious comes to mind.

    Freddie

    Yes and I’ve made my distaste clear to CG when it happens
    Even when it was emery it was stomach churning

    Anyway
    On a lighter note
    Those of you who have kids
    Watch the little prince on Netflix
    Swear to god it’s a beautiful film
    Soundtrack is amazing
    Hans Zimmer

  73. CG

    PedRo

    “”””We are moving forwards under Arteta, that is a fact. Everything will improve under him. Just not in a month.””””

    100% Accurate and they are facts.

    Still going absolutely nowhere though in comparison to what we have witnessed and achieved the previous 22 years.

    The soccer is utterly dire to watch.
    No fluency whatsoever.

    I am just pointing out that when Raul turned up at Arsenal we were 5th and had money in the bank …

    250 million pounds later and on our 3 rd manager since AW we are 10th
    Level with teams like Saints,Newcastle and Palace.

    Thats all.

  74. azed

    Pedro

    I agree we are moving forward and things look better but they will not greatly increase with the squad we have.

    Both Ozil and Xhaka need space to operate, once the space is non existent, Ozil varnishes and Xhaka becomes a liability.

    This is not a knock on Arteta, it’s the reality of our team.

  75. Marko

    Gone from arguing we have a top 4 quality squad to “there’s genuinely folk arguing we should be top 4 bound”. Which is it. Spastic indeed. Way I see it Charles everytime there was a mistake or a bad result under the previous manager he got routinely and heavily criticized fairly or not that’s irrelevant now. While now under Mikel Arteta any mistake or bad result and even a hint of criticism and people like yourself are stumbling and tripping over themselves to make an excuse. Consistency at it’s best. Anyway always look on the bright side of life it’s the new Arsenal motto as of December 21st 2019.

  76. Un na naai

    Cc

    On the Money mate
    But let’s face it
    This lot are as predictable as shit stains down a toilet

    Disappointing result made worse by dick heads who seem to want this

  77. Marko

    This is not a knock on Arteta, it’s the reality of our team.

    No no any knock on Arsenal is a knock on Arteta don’t you know that. To say that the squad is not good enough and needs to be addressed is the same as saying Mikel is a numpty cone man who doesn’t know what he’s doing. Don’t ya know

  78. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    As I stated earlier
    Ozil putting in the extra work has come at a cost of his creativity

    To pursuit with ozil we need two cdms
    Torr and another

    Ozil needs to play at his pace to flourish asking hi to cover this track that ain’t going to work.

    He’s a luxury playe4 so treat likeoneb.

  79. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 11, 2020 17:54:18
    This is not a knock on Arteta, it’s the reality of our team.No no any knock on Arsenal is a knock on Arteta don’t you know that. To say that the squad is not good enough and needs to be addressed is the same as saying Mikel is a numpty cone man who doesn’t know what he’s doing. Don’t ya know

    Marko

    You make some really interesting points so frequently I find myself asking if you are actually the same person
    But for fuck sake will you drop this?
    It’s a new year and a new decade
    Stop being a dick head

  80. Dissenter

    “I’m running out of patience with laca”

    Hod did he go from beingbthe fan favorite to the one that gets the most flak around here.
    He’s just in a bad patch but still works very hard for the team.

  81. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    You lost me at “way I see it”, because as ever the way you see it is largely wrong.

    Emery got huge leeway at Arsenal, shocking memory you have. He even got a second season despite the capitulation of last year so spare me this complete bollocks about excuse making for Arteta who’s been here a matter of weeks.

    You preach consistency don’t you? Do you have a clue what it means?

  82. Jamie

    DB10 –

    I think you might have included my name in your response by mistake, because I agree with your comments.

    Mountain to climb, naive tactical instructions for 10 years under Wenger and then under Emery (who was seemingly a poor communicator/man manager).

    I’m totally patient with Arteta. He could well be the future, but I’d like to see an upward trend in creating chances over the next 5-10 games. Arteta needs to show signs that he can make this squad better than the sum of its parts over longer than 35 minute stretches unless during those short stretches, we overwhelm our opponents and put the game to bed. That isn’t happening yet, but he has time to sort things out for sure.

    We have some mediocre players who need to be replaced, though. That much is clear. 5th, 6th, 5th, 6-9th(?) league finishes simply shouldn’t be dismissed as redundant data.

    It shows a clear pattern of not having a good enough squad to make top 4 the way I read it. Being out of the CL is no longer a hiccup/anomaly. It’s been 4 years.

  83. Champagne charlie

    “That much is clear. 5th, 6th, 5th, 6-9th(?) league finishes simply shouldn’t be dismissed as redundant data. It shows a clear pattern of not having a good enough squad to make top 4 the way I read it.“

    So the manager is of no consequence then? If you finish outside the top 4 you don’t have the quality, that simple.

    Can just as easily argue finishing 5th, 6th, 5th is evidence we had enough quality were we to have a competent manager in charge and not a flailing Wenger, or hapless Emery.

  84. Un na naai

    Jamie

    Ok. Allow me to put something to you.

    This arsenal team
    It’s default position is a draw at palace or with squad quality and a manager who know s his salt, these are games we should be winning?

    Be honest

  85. Dissenter

    The continuous movements of these ‘pool players is amazing. There are 3-4 players making themselves available all the time for the ball.

  86. Marko

    Emery got huge leeway at Arsenal, shocking memory you have.

    Fuck off you liar he was given 6 months before certain minorities of the fanbase were calling for his head despite the club free falling the previous 3-7 years depending on who is doing the arguing. You’re not even getting people questioning the manager now it’s more people arguing with people like yourself who have done a complete 180′ and are hypocrites now and it gets pointed out. That and the incessantly dumb comments you come out with everytime someone brings up a fucking signing or two. You’re a typically meek AKB with a loser mentality ingrained over the last decade or so. Arguing against people who want signings afraid of losing inept players and moving forward and making excuses for poor showings it’s all very predictable from you lot. It’s people like me who are in fact rooting for Mikel to be successful and for Arsenal to improve meanwhile fans like yourself argue with people over Xhaka et all and make snide remarks anytime anyone brings up signings. Arsene Wenger truly did a number on this club and fanbase.

  87. Marko

    I’m actually very consistent. I’ve said all along that this squad needed a major overhaul and that as long as certain types are playing we’ll always come up short. It’s been the downfall of the previous two managers and it’ll be the end of the current one if he doesn’t insist on change.

  88. Jamie

    “Can just as easily argue finishing 5th, 6th, 5th is evidence we had enough quality were we to have a competent manager in charge and not a flailing Wenger, or hapless Emery.”

    Perhaps you could easily argue this. I think it becomes more untenable the more seasons we miss that target though, especially when the coaching team is on its 3rd iteration since we last played in the CL. Any data points to support your argument?

    I’m happy to concede that finishing outside the top 4 is both a consequence of poor management as well as an inadequate squad for the task.

    I think Arteta will take us forward in the coming seasons, but I still think he needs a different profile of player in midfield and central defence to what we have on the books in order to implement his ideas – Ozil being a prime example. He simply doesn’t have the engine to deliver what Areta expects over 90 minutes. He never has, which is why we need a player who does for a fraction of what we’re wasting on Ozil.

  89. CG

    Dis

    “””The continuous movements of these ‘pool players is amazing. There are 3-4 players making themselves available all the time for the ball.””””

    Well observed

    No pressing nonsense either.
    Pure soccer
    Fluent.
    Going on the pitch- not giving two figs about the opposition strengths or weaknesses.
    No Mumbo – jumbo speak with Klopp either.

    Our front 4 that played today cost much more than theres……and we mustered 1 lousy goal

    Pathetic really.

  90. Habesha Gooner

    Not a bad Result considering the Circumstances. I still feel we need better players. I actually felt arteta was too inexperienced to do the Job but he has made significant progress. And that progress will be halted if we keep persisting with midfield players who have major flaws in their game. I used to like watching ozil play and I still do when he is in full flow but the modern game doesn’t allow you to have a luxury player. It’s been already said about Xhaka. He Can’t tackle, He doesn’t go forward enough to be a threat to the opposition and when he does it makes us vulnerable to counter attacks because he is slow. A player that plays 8 or 6 position has to have an adequate ability to tackle. Passing between the lines and lofted balls are his qualities but he doesn’t do it quick enough. Those limitations are going to hold us back.

  91. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Oh so Emery never got much leeway? He never continued into a second season?

    6 months is a perfectly reasonable amount of time to make a judgement about him following a full pre season and some additions made to the squad from the previous campaign. You’re on here arguing that Arteta is getting it twisted in his favour mere weeks after his appointment.

    Have you a clue what you’re even blabbering on about?

    There’s not one poster against signings, that’s a totally bullshit argument you invent to try and prop yourself up time and again. Why not stick to what’s actually said by folk instead of playing the usually dim role of arguing what isn’t being argued?

  92. Champagne charlie

    “Perhaps you could easily argue this. I think it becomes more untenable the more seasons we miss that target though, especially when the coaching team is on its 3rd iteration since we last played in the CL. Any data points to support your argument?“

    Do we have the same squad we had 4 seasons ago when we finished 5th? Because your own argument seems untenable on that strength.

    What I’m arguing is quite simple, we’ve not had a competent manager for a number of years and that’s the overriding reason for our lack of performance season on season. We could have a fantastic squad assembled but if the coach is toilet for the next 3 years we’d more than likely finish outside top 4. That an indictment of the squad? No, but it’s what you’re arguing simplistically.

    Ultimately it’s the Arteta argument of 18 months ago, whether him taking over then would’ve led to more success than we saw with Emery. It’s not “provable”.

  93. Batistuta

    Love how Hassenhutl has got Southampton playing recently especially after the drubbing at home to Leicester… They’ve now beaten Chelsea away, Spurs home and Leicester away in a couple of weeks, absolutely wonderful from them… Watch Holjberg play under pressure in midfield and watch how Xhaka basically just folds the second he’s pressurized, though he had an okay game…

    We absolutely need to restructure our midfield with better personnel and not trying out different systems and formats with players you know just aren’t fit for purpose

  94. TheLegendaryDB10

    Jamie

    👍

    This is why I talk about this season being a write off. As much as I want to see us win, you have to realise that this will be in spurts throughout the season (well I hope we do end up with more wins than loses!!).

    There is indeed so much to do. And this should be dawning on Arteta to.

    We can’t really count on the Jan transfer window, as it generally isn’t the time for a performing player to leave (unless he is unhappy or willing to etc).

    For me what will be telling is what we do this summer. This will be an important window as I will be expecting, like you all will, a clear step forward the following season.

  95. Jamie

    “Do we have the same squad we had 4 seasons ago when we finished 5th? Because your own argument seems untenable on that strength.”

    That wasn’t the argument I made. We didn’t have the players 4 years ago and I believe we still don’t, additions and exits notwithstanding. That said, more than half the starting 11 today were here when Wenger was in charge.

    We don’t need a massive overhaul, but we do need more players who fit Arteta’s profile if he intends to keep playing a super-high energy game.

    “We could have a fantastic squad assembled but if the coach is toilet for the next 3 years we’d more than likely finish outside top 4. That an indictment of the squad? No, but it’s what you’re arguing simplistically.”

    Again, nowhere did I present this argument, simplistically or otherwise, so no need to unpack it.

  96. Matt

    Pedro,

    Interesting point you raise about expectations for the remainder if the season. I agree patience is required but disagree regarding treating the last 16 games as a pre-season. The reason we replaced Emery was to get the season back on track. Granted top 4 was gone in October but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to set Arteta the objective of at least 2 points per game (pretty much Wenger’s run-rate and not too far from what Emery achieved last season). The game is about results so for all the nice noises coming from the dressing room and pretty pattens on the pitch, the team needs to get back to winning lots of games to restore the confidence to go again next season.

  97. TheLegendaryDB10

    I should add that I am still expecting to see something happen over the course of this season in terms of progress.

    I am not going to put my head in the sand if something is clearly wrong and I will speak out.

    For now it is too early to judge anything, but there are good signs so far.