Resilient performance shows Arteta is building from the back

by & filed under News Review.

via @Arsenal Instagram

Arsenal dropped two points away from home at Crystal Palace. The result was disappointing considering the blistering start, but when you factor the loss of Torreira at half time, and the dismissal of Auba for an awful challenge, it’s hard not to be satisfied with the performance.

Arteta picked the same team as he did for his last outing in Premier League, the first time that’s happened in over a year. We controlled the opening 30 minutes and made Palace look distinctively average. The problem was we did very little with possession outside a goal. We had one attempt in the first 45 minutes, that’s not good enough.

That attempt did lead to a goal, which was nice. David Luiz was the maker in the move, he was brilliant in the first half, Palace didn’t know what to do with him. His pass through the middle found Mesut, he touched to Lacazette who fed Auba for the simple finish. A lovely goal. 18 passes. Arsenal of old.

The more worrying thing was the that there was another noticeable dip in our physical performance, after 30 minutes, we faded again and we let Palace into the game. Hard not to put that down to going big in the FA Cup in the week. Palace rotated and played 5 academy kids, we went big and played a lot of our senior players in a brutal game against a brutal side that will run you off the park.

Events weren’t helped by the loss of Lucas Torreira. He went off injured and we had to introduce Matteo G to the mix, and he’s simply not comparable at the moment. The goal was desperately unlucky, we didn’t close down a shot in our box fast enough (LT probably would have), Ayews strike ricocheted off Luiz’ foot and flew over Leno. A horrible goal.

Hard to think Arteta will be happy with how many players were on hand to defend the threat in our box. Lacazette didn’t track, our midfielders bunched up in the middle, and we weren’t sharp enough.

Auba made things worse after a horrendous challenge on Max Meyer, it looked like a straight-up ankle breaker, crazy that it took 5 minutes for the muppets in VAR to decide that the clearest red card of the year was in fact a red card. Interestingly, the last Arsenal player to score at Palace and see red was… Arteta.

The manager didn’t wet the bed and go for 9 at the back, he brought on Martinelli for Ozil and went for it.

Like peak-Wenger teams of old, we actually looked better with 10 men. We went very close towards the end after Gabriel found Lacazette in the Palace box, the Frenchman fed in Pepe who casually curled a shot at the back post, but Guaita pulled off a miracle double save, tipping the ball onto the post, then being alert to stop the second shot from Lacazette. Desperately unlucky.

Overall, we were pretty poor in the final third, an insight captured perfectly when Pepe picked the ball out on the right late on, he had Xhaka on the overlap (lololol) and he played his simple pass into a Palace full-back.

The points ended up being shared. When you look at the game in all its glory, it was probably fair. Plenty for the manager to work on.

Thoughts:

The theme of the day was resilience. The team will have been fatigued after the exerts of the last 3 weeks… and obviously, playing the hardest working team in the country midweek didn’t help. I’d normally expect a flaky performance, we didn’t see that. We had a great opening 30, but couldn’t maintain it.

Additionally, things went against us. We lost one of our best players to injury, our captain was sent off, we conceded an unlucky goal, we hit the inside of the post… but we stayed focused. We didn’t become victims, something I think has been a clear issue over the last 5 years.

We also limited Palace. Say what you will about Hodgson, but he knows how to get at us. They hit the target 4 times and had to make do with a deflection for their equaliser. Arteta is building a defensive foundation and it seems to be working in the main. Xhaka continued to drop into the defence giving him the freedom to pick out passes, but also reducing the exposure Kola has to pressure situations. AMN kept Zaha very, very quiet. David Luiz continued to impress, he leads like a beast, he’s confident on the ball, and he was an attacking threat all game, he made the most attacking passes in the final 3rd, clocking up 13. He was also the architect of our goal with a line breaking pass through the middle.

We’re still compact, everyone seems very calm, roles and responsibilities are clear.

Where we’re lacking is in attack. We aren’t creating a lot in the final 3rd. We hit the target 4 times today, but considering the possession, we should be doing better. I think that’ll come, our ability to score goals hasn’t been a worry, and I think when more players come back to full fitness, we won’t worry so much about that. I also think Auba’s 3 game suspension is a massive, massive opportunity for Gabriel to show the world he’s the man to lead the line next season. He is the embodiment of what Arteta attacking football should be. Aggressive, hardworking, and sublimely talented.

The main goal for Arteta over the next few weeks is extending out how much good football he gets per game. We’re maxing out between 40 and 55 minutes. That’ll be down to fitness and relearning how to give your all in every minute of a game. It’s still exciting, you can see where this is going and though results will be rocky, the squad will be firing on all cylinders when we start next season. Top 4 was never on for us, the most we can hope for this season is a good cup run, when you frame the season a long preseason, it makes results like today easier to stomach.

Let me know YOUR thoughts in the comments. xxx

338 Responses to “Resilient performance shows Arteta is building from the back”

Jump to comment form ↓

  1. Jamie

    Un –

    “You’re letting yourself down man you’re not a stupid bloke
    So stop acting like one”

    I’m not following. Is this about the question you asked me earlier?

    “Ok. Allow me to put something to you.

    This arsenal team

    It’s default position is a draw at palace or with squad quality and a manager who know s his salt, these are games we should be winning?

    Be honest”

    I’ve tried to read this a few times. I still don’t quite get what you’re asking.

    Is it, to paraphrase, “should a quality manager with our current squad be beating Palace?”

    Is that the question? If it is, then my answer is yes, that was a game we should’ve won because we have a decent, albeit rookie, manager who should probably have gotten us over the line before the first half was over with the players he had on the pitch.

    Instead, the players ran out of steam, sat back, and lost control of our early attacking intent. Injuries and the red card didn’t help, but the best outcome would’ve still most likely been a scrappy 1-0 to the Arsenal. I would’ve gladly taken it before the game.

  2. Samesong

    Love how Hassenhutl has got Southampton playing recently especially after the drubbing at home to Leicester

    They will give us a good game. Stifle the midfield and force them into making mistakes and counter.

  3. Nelson

    I think Arteta is learning more about his players after today’s game. Once the pressure is on, especially in away games, his players can’t execute his game plan. I can see four problems:

    – Against Manure, we drew their players to the right and freed up Luiz. He then passed to Kola to start our attack. Today, it worked for about 25 minutes. Then CP dedicated someone to block Luiz’s passing lane. PapaSok is not a ball playing CB. He slowed down the game and made those short passes. We were back to the old Emeryball.

    – Xhaka is too slow to support the attack. Once he is being pressed, he can’t pass anymore.

    – Pepe has potential. But he still needs a lot of coaching to be effective. When we attacked from Kola’s wing, the ball moved fast between players. Kiola’s crosses were unlucky today. But when attacked from Pepe’s wing, we saw Pepe hanging on the ball all the time and danced up and down until his lost the ball. We have to train him to play faster and direct. He has a very good shot. We need to find ways to take advantage of it.

    – Ozil can only function when the team is in control. Torr must have been injured during the first half. The opponents were coming on strong. Without Torr’s quick passes, Ozil disappeared under this environment as usual in an away game..

    I am sure that there are a lot for Arteta to think about.

  4. Danny S

    Watching the Liverpool game, you see the value of VVD. He barely makes a tackle, just floats about as last man at the back directing the whole back 4, other players do his work for him and he’s there to mop up anything that comes through.
    Every team needs a defender like that, luiz is the closest we have now Arteta is in charge, it was per before that.

  5. Pierre

    The thing is, we would all like to see Arsenal having 20 odd chances on goal every game , but if we want the team to stop conceding chances/goals then something has to be sacrificed..

    At this present time, the most important thing is for the team to be disciplined and solid defensively so we need 2 holding midfielders.
    Conceding one goal in the last 3 games is a step in the right direction.

    Arteta is trying to be expansive with his team selection and style of play, he is playing with 4 offensive players which is something that Emery rarely did.

    I have said previously that Arteta needs to be able to find a plan B that he can switch to at the drop of a hat.

    Bournemouth, Chelsea and Palace were all games that we were dominating until the opposition manager made tactical changes which changed the course of the game.

    This is when Arteta needs to implement the plan B and try to wrestle back the dominance.

    At the moment we seem to have 2 methods of attack , 1) make space down the left for Luiz or Xhaka to find kolasinac who links with Aubameyang or 2) find Ozil between the lines to link the play .

    If the opposition manager closes those potential danger areas we seem to lose our way .
    Arteta needs to find the answer , but as for now ,the less goals /chances we concede will always be a positive.

  6. Daniel Altos

    I am not trying to sound negative but does anyone think we will get anything against Sheffield United?They are like Wolves last season and they pack the midfield like hell, something which we seem to struggle against this season.

  7. Ishola70

    The fascinating thing here is has Arteta taken the Xhaka pill like Wenger and Emery before him.

    We are hearing now that Arteta has indicated that he sees Xhaka as having an important future at Arsenal. Interesting.

  8. Marko

    but if we want the team to stop conceding chances/goals then something has to be sacrificed..

    I mean if we’re making chances and creating well the other team can hardly do the same thing unless we’re playing with two balls on the pitch. I don’t think anyone is critical of us conceding less chances it’s more creating little with all the possession we have. But it’s to be expected we’ve very poor creative players at the club outside of the much criticized Pepe.

  9. Pierre

    Danny s
    Arteta would probably like Luiz to play a similar game to van Dyke, and he does at times , but the main difference between Arsenal and Liverpool is that Liverpool are very rarely camped on the edge of their own area ,unlike Arsenal who tend to get deeper as the match progresses which makes it difficult for Luiz to find time on the ball as our play becomes too frantic.

  10. Danny S

    The important thing is that we look like a team again. There was zero coherency with emery this season, just 11 players out on the pitch kicking a ball.
    We’ve also learnt the art of defending again. Papa was never a terrible defender, neither was luiz or Kola. But emery seemed to create such mayhem they all forgot how to football.
    Now, we need to survive this season, and for me Artetas tenure starts august 2020. Need to see some concise action in the market, and a positive pre season.

  11. Marko

    We are hearing now that Arteta has indicated that he sees Xhaka as having an important future at Arsenal. Interesting.

    I’d say distressing is a more suitable. Doesn’t sound like he’s too concerned about sorting out the midfield so.

  12. Danny S

    Pierre

    That is true. Liverpool are a well drilled machine. They constantly move.
    They all known where they need to be on the pitch. I think arteta will be similar to Klopp in that respect.
    Sheer routine.
    We just need the players.

  13. Danny S

    I think xhaka will be gone in the summer.

    Arteta is making the best of what he has at the moment and if that means making xhaka sound like he’s pirlo then so be it.

    He’s a smart man, he will know xhakas limitations and how it impacts the modern system.

  14. Champagne charlie

    “That wasn’t the argument I made. We didn’t have the players 4 years ago and I believe we still don’t, additions and exits notwithstanding. That said, more than half the starting 11 today were here when Wenger was in charge.“

    We made 75 points that season, that’s good enough for top 4 football on average. It would’ve been good enough the two season following that season (and the season prior to it). So don’t see how you can claim player poverty then at all.

    “Again, nowhere did I present this argument, simplistically or otherwise, so no need to unpack it.“

    You argued it in principle with what I’m saying about the squad being top 4 quality the last few years and not achieving such because of the coach.

  15. Pierre

    Marko
    Yes we have possession , but to turn them into clear cut chances the players have to take risks .

    To take risks means you leave spaces behind, and I think Arteta is more concerned with not leaving spaces behind to leave us open to the counter .

    So what we have at the moment is more possession , but we are not getting enough players into the box or making runs off the ball to create space in the area as we are playing conservatively.

    Arteta has had very little time to coach, at the moment he is working on the discipline and shape of the side .

    The expansive game will come later

  16. CG

    Daniel Altos.

    “”””I am not trying to sound negative but does anyone think we will get anything against Sheffield United?”””””

    No. They are decent on the counter.
    Very shrewd team.

    And no PEA to rescue us this time?
    Giroud back on loan?
    And What has happened to Laca?
    Lacks sparkle….looks disinterested.

    (Probably needs a fresh challenge elsewhere.)

    PEA who clearly wanted a 3 game ban and a break for that frankly ridiculous challenge – will be watching with his agent, how we perform in the next 3 matches.

    Arsenal loose and fail to score….he will be wanting ( and most likely getting) Ozil money.

  17. Marko

    Arteta is making the best of what he has at the moment

    Yeah this has to stop he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt when he convinces the player to stay just as we were about to sell him. He’s not stuck with Xhaka he actually wants him to stay and play.

  18. Major_Jeneral

    No lacazette (5th booking of the season against CP) and Auba against Sheffield.
    I will like to find out Mike’s plan for SHU midfield and whose Arsenal’s front 3 will be.

    Today’s match made me miss players like carzola, fabregas that we had in the past. Even under a strong press like the way CP did today, they always find a way out.

  19. Danny S

    Marko

    I’m only guessing that he doesn’t see he can get a better player for the 20m they will get for xhaka?

    We are broke currently.

    CG

    I’m hoping that with PEA out, martinelli will get some starts.
    Personally I think laca should play wing and mart up top.

  20. CG

    “””I’m hoping that with PEA out, martinelli will get some starts.
    Personally I think laca should play wing and mart up top.””””

    Danny, Danny boy

    Martinelli is 19.
    He is a Prospect that’s all.
    Exciting one granted.

    Sheff Utd play 3 strapping defenders at the back.
    They will bully him….eat him alive if he plays up front next week.

    No laca ,no PEA next week…..interesting.

    Maybe Pepe will step up to the plate?
    No second thoughts…..forget that.

    Arteta ‘s First Real Test of the management game, methinks.

  21. Danny S

    CG

    Prospects need to be blooded.

    Might do OK, might flop, might blow up and we find out we have the next CR7.

    It’s these kind of moments and chances that we find out.

    He doesn’t look like the kind of player that is intimidated.

  22. Ishola70

    Gasperini has been doing a great job at Atalanta.

    They have just equalised at Inter and tbh they have been bossing the match since Inter scored an early counter goal.

    Very aggressive front foot side that press very effectively.

    They deserve at least a draw in this match.

  23. Major_Jeneral

    CG
    I agree with you on SHU defenders. They also play 5in midfield too.

    Question is will Ozill survive.

    RSPCA
    I won’t expect too much from The young lads- Martinelli and Nelson,SHU played really well against Liverpool and Manutd so it will be tough.
    I expect Saka to play ahead of Nelson to make up for Auba miss on the left.

  24. Daniel Altos

    Gasperini has been doing a great job at Atalanta.They have just equalised at Inter and tbh they have been bossing the match since Inter scored an early counter goal.Very aggressive front foot side that press very effectively.They deserve at least a draw in this match.

    Ishola am watching the match too they are a good side to watch…Muriel just bottled a pen.. though my favourite serie A side is Lazio

  25. Freddie Ljungberg

    Ozil 0 dribbles and key passes against Palace. 1 assist and 0 goals in the last 12 games. This is our main creative outlet that we pay the salary of 3 top players for.

    Maybe take a chill pill with how he has improved under Arteta and all is forgiven yeah?

    Sure he’s been slightly less shite the last couple of games but did anyone actually believe that he was going to build on that on push on? He has had these mini spells of 1-2 good games before and they always come to nothing, when will you people learn?

    Luiz has stepped up but our problems remain the same, a distinct lack of quality, athleticism, pace and power straight through the spine of the team. Good luck coaching that away.

  26. Ishola70

    Daniel Altos
    “Muriel just bottled a pen”

    Yeah shame. Muriel very average player.

    I suppose this is what makes what Gasperini’s efforts there the more impressive.

    We can’t say that the Atalanta team has standout individual players.

    But their team ethic and team style stand out.

  27. Danny S

    FL

    Don’t bad mouth Ozil! You will summon Pierre to his rescue with some chances created stats and sprinting stats etc etc.

    The fact that he’s actually produced nothing of value these past few games means nothing.
    But he has started to run about and look like a person that wants to play football which is the most important thing.

  28. Daniel Altos

    Ishola70January 11, 2020 15:53:33
    Need to back up this away draw with a home win over Sheffield United.

    Ishola have you watched them lately?They are absolutely soilid that team…we all know what they will come to do at the Emirates…pack shithousers in midfield and put their two big men upfront to bully us.The oldest tactic in the book to beat arsenal football club..

  29. G8

    Pierre
    ” I have said previously that Arteta needs to be able to find a plan B that he can switch to at the drop of a hat”

    Are you saying Arteta is inexperienced and don’t know how to make tactical changes during the game!?

    Blasphemy!!😁

  30. Daniel Altos

    Ishola I also agree on Atalanta.. I look at them and ask myself which player I’d want to come to us and I can’t see anyone standing out,maybe Zapata or Gosens….but as a unit they are so good.On another note,has anyone else noticed how we always seem to awake teams who have shit form? Look at soton since playing us,they have only lost twice in like 10 matches yet they were losing like shit before meeting us

  31. Freddie Ljungberg

    Rodney

    I’m guessing the stats people doesn’t count a square pass of 3 meters in the middle of their half as a key pass. Crazy I know. I’m sure Pierre will petition them to look over their criteria and get it included though.

  32. Ishola70

    Daniel Altos
    ” have you watched them lately?They are absolutely soilid that team…we all know what they will come to do at the Emirates…pack shithousers in midfield and put their two big men upfront to bully us. The oldest tactic in the book to beat arsenal football club..”

    Yeah saw them against West Ham. Lucky to get the win in the end because that was never an intentional handball from Declan Rice in the build up to West Ham’s disallowed goal near the end.

    That’s the thing though about Sheffield United you never watch them and think they are an impressive side. But they work very hard and do the basic things right most of the time.

    Don’t score lots, don’t concede many either. So a low scoring draw could be on the cards but they are beatable for sure.

  33. Freddie Ljungberg

    Sheffields whole game plan when we played them away was to bully us physically and lump it up front and win headers. Dangerous on corners and throw ins deep in our half.

    Didn’t create much in open play if I recall correctly but was credited with a lot of shots/on goal, those were mostly headers though.

    Going to be interesting to see how Arteta deals with that with the physical specimens at hand.
    Maybe they’ll sit back a bit more and gives us more space since they’re playing away, but that’s handing us the advantage, it’s the only environment some of our shrinking violets can thrive in so I’m guessing they won’t do that.

  34. Daniel Altos

    I know people give Marko alot of shite here but let’s face it guys…he is spot on on the ‘player poverty’ thing….we have some shit players who aren’t fit for purpose,nothing to do with arteta or Emery ..Pedro himself alluded to that when he said we played first teamers against Leeds…why is that so?Why didn’t we trust our so called youth if they are as good as people claim?

  35. Pierre

    Fred
    But what a touch it was , took the pace off the ball with a sublime touch that mere mortals would never understand.

    But seriously, I did say after the united game that I didn’t think Ozil did anything special and can play much better.
    Many seem to equate running around a lot to playing well .

  36. Freddie Ljungberg

    Daniel Altos

    We had 5 players under 20 years old involved in the Leeds game. The problem is our seniors are not good enough to carry them and we already rely too much on youth players in the league.

    We now have the sauciest manager in all of lego land and we’re still struggling to dominate games and create chances, things have improved structurally sure but we’re distinctly average still and will continue being so with these same players.

    Still there’s posters towing the “top 4 quality” “player poverty is a myth” line.

    If the noices from the club and we’re doing nothing this window I’ll guess we’ll find out once and for all, it’s not going to be pretty.

  37. Jamie

    CC –

    Mate, we’re going around in circles. Also, historical average point totals for reaching the top 4? You can’t really take that to the bank when you keep missing the moving target. Pesky moving target.

    For whatever reason, or rather combination of reasons, we haven’t actually hit the target in years.

    If ‘claiming player poverty’ is actually a thing and not some silly turn of phrase to obfuscate what’s being discussed, how many players in the current squad am I allowed to suggest we replace before the ‘you’re claiming player poverty’ charge is levied against me?

    An actual number please. I hope it’s a number larger than 2. It has to be a number larger than zero, or you’re guilty of it too.

    I’m thrilled we replaced Emery with Arteta, and happened months too late imo. I want nothing more than for him to be given better tools in order to hasten the progression, that’s all. Doesn’t sound so crazy to be, but here we are. Crazy people don’t often know they’re crazy, just ask CG.

  38. Daniel Altos

    Freddie I really want Mikel arteta to succeed I am really tired of being a banter club but I am confused why he has pitched camp at #TeamOzil and Xhaka… literally our worst midfielders..let’s hope its to serve him until seasons end,because from what he said it looks to me like granite xhaka will be rolling into the 11 next season as well and that’s a worry.Our youth aren’t even as good as Chelsea’s yet we have people here who are deluded to think that Holding,Nelson,willock,esr etc are the bomb…the only useful youth we have is martinelli.

  39. Paulinho

    “So what we have at the moment is more possession , but we are not getting enough players into the box or making runs off the ball to create space in the area as we are playing conservatively.”

    I thought this how you always wanted us to play, Pierre. Full backs not over-committing, two holding midfielders, all in order to let the front four have the freedom to ‘do what they want’ and wreak havoc. Making runs forward and leaving space in behind was perceived as reckless and crude.

  40. Tom

    Luiz has stepped up but our problems remain the same, a distinct lack of quality, athleticism, pace and power straight through the spine of the team. Good luck coaching that away.

    —————
    This x10

    The fact too painfully obvious to anyone without a personal agenda.

  41. Graham62

    Haven’t been able to read through all the posts but has anyone mentioned Bernd Leno?

    I’m sorry but he really is a burden when it comes to releasing the ball quickly and efficiently. He holds on to the ball far too long and brings the opponents onto us with his dilly dallying play.

    He doesn’t communicate at all and is indecisive when it comes to meeting crosses and high balls into the box. Surely we can do better.

    Is Martinez a better option?

  42. Freddie Ljungberg

    D.A

    I’m the same, I just want Arsenal to be successful regardless of who the manager is, way too much emphasis is laid on who manages the club, it’s not relevant really.

    It doesn’t matter who the manager is I still want Arsenal to win as many games as possible, if Arteta does that I’m happy, if not I’m not.
    But for fuck sake give him the tools to succeed.
    Too many crap players still stinking out the club.

    This notion that fans that wants us to replace the obvious weak links in the team are somehow happy when we lose is the stupidest thing ever, it’s the complete opposite ffs.
    Ridiculous.

  43. Daniel Altos

    Haven’t been able to read through all the posts but has anyone mentioned Bernd Leno?I’m sorry but he really is a burden when it comes to releasing the ball quickly and efficiently. He holds on to the ball far too long and brings the opponents onto us with his dilly dallying play.He doesn’t communicate at all and is indecisive when it comes to meeting crosses and high balls into the box. Surely we can do better.Is Martinez a better option?

    Graham Ive posted these concerns before….even on a counter he holds the ball for too long and it usually invites pressure to our defence…his passing isn’t as good as we thought too

  44. Cesc Appeal

    Completely quiet on the transfer front.

    The club better have a plan in place for the summer and act quickly.

    So much of this side is either garbage, totally unsuited to the EPL or is too much like too many other players in the squad.

    Our midfield options in particular are frighteningly poor.

    Severe lack of physicality, athleticism and work rate.

    This squad has a low ceiling, doesn’t matter who you have in the dugout.

  45. Daniel Altos

    I think we should drop this playing our ‘Fab 4’ together nonsense…3 of those 4 can’t do any meaningful defensive work and our most lethal striker is being shunted into the left wing(can’t dribble for shit)and the guy in the middle gets plenty of chances and he either scuffs them or dilly dallies on the ball while twerking on the defender and then commits stupid foul when he loses the ball due to his poor first touch.The guy in behind them ghosts in and out of games and the guy on the right is so predictable with his cutting in and holds onto the ball too long…they look totally disjointed all of them.I am not a fan of small reiss but why don’t we play him and pepe/martinelli on the flanks and auba in the centre?…or just go old school 442 with pepe/nelson,laca,auba,martinelli?

  46. Marko

    Act quickly and Arsenal doesn’t go together does it. I predict another transfer window in the summer where we hum and haw about finally getting rid of this and that player while our rivals and ambitious clubs in Europe get on with it and make smart moves. Same old same old.

  47. Daniel Altos

    Cesc criminal that we only have one guy who can tackle in our entire midfield…even go to the youth team it’s the same….even Burton who is an academy star is more xhaka-like.I don’t know when Arsenal football Club will fix this lingering midfield problem…is it so hard to go and get an athletic guy who can tackle?

  48. Cesc Appeal

    Daniel

    Our midfield options are shocking for a ‘big club’.

    Literally impossible to field a balanced midfield with this squad. The second the opposition up the tempo and start closing space in the middle that’s it, useless.

    I think at least Arteta’s time in charge is waking some fans up to the problem of our midfield. The defence has looked okay-ish under Arteta (though obviously needs upgrading) but the midfield is absolute poverty.

  49. Thorough

    This has to be the summer we go burst. I’ve seen enough from Arteta to know he needs to be backed. This team needs major surgery. We don’t need only Sangare or Soumare, we need both. Partey and Szobolai will actually be my first choice. Keep Ceballos if he buys into Arteta all which I think he would. Add Meunier and another defender and we’re cooking on gas.
    Hope Kroenke has some 200 quids to spare.

  50. Champagne charlie

    Jamie

    What loving target are you referring? A historical average tells you precisely that, and gives you context for our performance level. Last season for instance was 70 points, which achieved top 4 in 2 of the previous 4 seasons. So how did we not have a squad capable of top 4?

    And talking of conflating matters, what’s this how many players can you change lark? Last season we had the requisite talent, this season we did too. The issue? Emery was gaffer, now he isn’t. I can’t go back in time and install Arteta, but if I did I’ve every confidence we’d have achieved the immediate goals under his superior guidance.

    Now what’s your angle? We need to improve the current squad? You’re not alone with that thought, because not once in recent history has a transfer window been upon us that there wasn’t a desire for us to improve. In fact since that 5th place finish we’ve had 8 windows to continually arrive at a squad apparently not good enough for top 4. There’s something to explain if that is indeed your view.

  51. Pierre

    Paulinho
    “I thought this how you always wanted us to play, Pierre”

    no need for me to explain as you know exactly why I made that comment .

    Nice try though…

  52. Paulinho

    Pierre – It is nice to see you’re realising it’s better to have off the ball movement from deep, be on the front foot, take the initiative etc, even if it means you do leave gaps. And these gaps that never really get exploited anyway if you attack with conviction.

  53. Pedro

    Freddie how you can be pushing ‘the coach doesn’t matter’ line again after watching a complete 180 in terms of effort, structure and style inside a month is beyond me. It’s an utterly nonsense observation… I don’t even know what you’re looking at when you decide something so absurd.

  54. Jamie

    CC –

    My angle? What is this nonsense. I don’t even know what you’re arguing at this point.

    We agree on the following I think:
    Emery needed replaced sooner than he was with Arteta
    We need to replace some players for better suited players in order to for Arteta to reach tangible targets in the seasons to come
    We could have made top 4 if but or whatever, but the reality is that we have failed to reach top 4 in 4 complete seasons including the current one
    Late-stage Wenger andEmery were shit, irrespective of squad strength
    Arteta looks like he might be special, but everyone needs to be patient with him
    Hopefully we agree on more but that’s enough common ground with which we can move on

    If any of my above assumptions are off the mark, tell me.

    All I said after the game was that we’ve shown a pattern over 4 years of not having the required players to achieve a top 4 finish.

    You think that’s totally down to the manager, I think it’s down to both poor management and too many mediocre players. Even mediocre managers can be bailed out by special players. I won’t insult your intelligence by listing any such managers in recent past. We might have been a VVD in our back-line away from Emery snagging top 4 last season, if but maybe. But we didn’t.

    In that vein, what players in our current squad do you think are not the profile of player Arteta needs going forward?

    Is there some issue with saying ‘this specific player isn’t good enough for our club‘s future targets’? Genuine question.

  55. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pedro

    When have I said that? I’ve said the coach doesn’t matter in me wanting Arsenal to succeed. In that context it’s utterly irrelevant, I’m not a fan of a manager, I’m a fan of the club.

    Maybe decalibrate your defense mechanism for Arteta, you’re being way too trigger happy atm.

  56. Champagne charlie

    Pedro

    No idea what a manager does anymore, the role has been made utterly redundantly if you entertain some of the takes on here.

    The arguments that have been put to bed by most sensible folk still get peddled by a select few keeping the dream alive.

    I mean, our manager is a guy that put the cones out for Pep…..who himself would be nowhere without his moneybags I’m told.

  57. Pedro

    Palace xG was 0.31 today.

    Last season at away is was 2.38 and at home it was 2.54.

    Considering how fatigued the squad was, that’s a huge improvement, even if the result was disappointing.

  58. Valentin

    How ironic that the people who last summer were congratulating Don Raul of winning the transfer window and were busy shooting down anybody who dared say that the recruitment was non-sensical are the same who now are pleading player poverty.
    We don’t have a dominant defensive midfielder. Anything happen to Torreira and or Xhaka and we have to rely on two teenagers to protect the back four and restart the attack.
    That type of player was a must six month ago, and today’s game showed that Guendouzi does not have the defensive awareness of Torreira nor does he has his quick forward passing.
    Playing Özil only works if he can be found in the last third because he knows how to glide into pocket of space. So whoever replace Torreira must have that ability to link up play forward via quick pass or bring something different like power running.
    Today Özil did not have a great game, but he still contributed to Arsenal goal. Luiz find Özil, short pass to Lacazette who instinctively know that Aubameyang will run in the place he vacated. Lacazette plays a delightful pass and Aubameyang does what he does which is to score.

  59. Freddie Ljungberg

    Val

    We had a good transfer window last summer, we just haven’t got much use out of Tierney and Saliba yet and Pepe is still adapting. They’re all young though so no worries there.
    No one has claimed that we only needed one window like that though, it was never enough to fill all the gaping holes in our squad. A good start though if we look long term.

  60. Jamie

    Pedro, what was our xG?

    I take it because Palace xG was low, we improved on our xGA from the same fixture away last season? That’s half the battle if yes.

  61. China1

    Charlie you’re right that there was progress over emery but that there will be growing pains, but that’s my point

    I don’t see 1-1 in this game and that performance as a good performance or level result tbh. The trajectory under arteta looks good and I back him. Under emery it would’ve been worse.

    As you said, there will be growing pains and I see the palace game as an example of that because neither the performance nor the result were there for me based on what we’ve seen this team being capable of doing in recent weeks under arteta

    ‘We didn’t collapse against a not especially good team that never much threatened us’ is as much positivity as I take out of the game from an overarching perspective. 2 points dropped rather than 1 point gained

    On an individual perspective there were a few decent performances and quite a few poor ones.

  62. China1

    If Tierney and Saliba amcome good and if pepe turns the corner we could see quite a big jump in our overall quality. That would be like 3 new signings compared with our current situation.

  63. Pierre

    Paulinho
    “It is nice to see you’re realising it’s better to have off the ball movement from deep, be on the front foot, take the initiative etc, even if it means you do leave gaps. And these gaps that never really get exploited anyway if you attack with conviction.”

    When was the time that these gaps were never exploited ….

    I must have missed it.

  64. Champagne charlie

    China1

    Same boat as you, but the crucial difference at this stage is we have a manager who convinces me of his ability to deliver scalable change – so I can understand it in the context of growing pains.

    Previously there was no clue about what we were doing, where we were going, or what we were aspiring to be (despite numerous bullshit claims from some folk on here). So setbacks, poor performances et al were just fuelling doubt. I’ve seen enough already to be greatly encouraged, which in itself says all you need to know for the first attempt to rebuild ourselves post Wenger.

    So I’m not waxing lyrics or lowering my standards for the recent showing, I can just more readily absorb it with a shrug because I actually have a bigger picture with some clarity. Losing a rag over games like this given all the above is such a disconnect with reality as far as I’m concerned. But the agenda of the odd few pouring the most gas on the fire isn’t lost, I expect little more from them.

  65. Pedro

    Pretty shitty against a Palace side that are having their best start to a Premier League season ever (above us in the league)… that beat us last season… with Arsenal missing Bellerin, Tierney, Holding, Chambers, losing their DM at half time, losing their captain to a red card, after a midweek game against one of the hardest working teams in the league.

  66. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Pedro

    It’s just more publicity for the geezer and his channel.

    I personally don’t watch it aftv
    But think he’s made a mistake doing a doco about football hooligans tho..

    He should stick to what he knows.
    Looks like he wants a bigger tv career …

  67. Marko

    That’s some context you’re adding Pedro. One win in their last 8 and they had some injuries. I just wouldn’t throw up words like resilient and improvement for a draw against Palace given the circumstances

  68. Champagne charlie

    “I just wouldn’t throw up words like resilient and improvement for a draw against Palace given the circumstances“

    Circumstances?

    Are Palace the only ones with any circumstances to consider or something?

    We won 1 game all Nov/Dec, we routinely got peppered with shots, we were just ready to set a new home record there for consecutive losses, and you’re wanting to ignore all that, ignore losing Torreira at half time, ignore losing Auba with 30 mins left, ignore our own current injuries, and bleat on about poverty Palace?

    So unlike you. Least you covered the “circumstances”..

  69. Ernest Reed

    “The result was disappointing considering the blistering start, but when you factor the loss of Torreira at half time, and the dismissal of Auba for an awful challenge, it’s hard not to be satisfied with the performance.”

    Had that been Emery at the helm you would have crucified him Pedro. This was a poor performance, one that was fraught with typical self-discipline issues, all too typical for this group.

  70. Marko

    Charles what are you trying to argue about this time? Does it bother you that more people aren’t happy with the result? That more aren’t throwing around words like improvement and resilient. You know we might have actually won today if the usual types didn’t let us down again with poor or nothing performances. You want to talk about those circumstances? No you want to bleat about a player you routinely criticize going off injured at half time and a player who shouldn’t be playing LW to begin with getting sent off making an unnecessary challenge. We absolutely would have won yesterday if we had a CAM who gave even the slightest of shits and if we didn’t shunt out Aubameyang wide in the hopes that Lacazette stops being utterly garbage.

  71. Ernest Reed

    If todays performance doesn’t convince you that Guendouzi is a headless chicken in a Luiz wig, then you haven’t been paying attention. Arsenal’s midfield problems are easily encapsulated in watching Guen run around aimlessly with no purpose and little ability and accomplishing – well, nothing

  72. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Just pointing out whilst you’re drumming up “circumstances” for Crystal Palace you maybe consider the circumstances of Arsenal whilst you’re at it to at least appear something other than opaque.

    Clearly that’s a bridge too far for you, would make your arguments rather hysterical if all things were considered so best just claim Palace poverty and get straight to sticking the boot into your faves.

  73. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Oh and do everyone a favour and leave the pretence at the door.

    I’ve barely been active the last few days, but enough to see you go hell for leather at Pierre and Dissenter, so much so you were coined as replacing Banford for being the obnoxious argumentative prick on campus.

  74. Marko

    maybe consider the circumstances of Arsenal whilst you’re at it to at least appear something other than opaque.

    What circumstances? The injury and the sending off? Big whoop that’s why we couldn’t beat Palace is it? Past the first half hour we had what one attempt on target. A total struggle but you want to talk about something else. It’s the regular intermittent performances that should be the circumstances discussed not things that wouldn’t have happened had Arteta had a little bit more know how. Torreira injury aside that couldn’t be helped.

  75. Marko

    That last comment is a big huh from me there champ. Dunno what you’re on about. And of course I noticed you weren’t on for a few days everyone did. Such a presence was lacking everyone noticed it I swear

  76. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Big whoop, the expert level of analysis you continue to deliver enlightens everyone.

    Took you no time at all to drip feed criticism about Arteta’s lack of know-how, good on your true colours seeping through as always. No agenda he says, just consistency.

  77. China1

    Charles then we’re agreed because I’m plenty happy with the trajectory. My criticism is only of the match not the general direction

    I thought guen was very positive after torreira (also good) came off

    Martinelli looked serious as well

    Martinelli showed more in 25 mins than ozil did in the rest. I’m glad laca is suspended because he’s been in desperately poor form for ages with no end in sight

  78. salparadisenyc

    Tough game.

    Far too much analysis happening on here without taking into account circumstance. Torreira off injured altering dynamic, PEA sending off which he fully deserved. Nearly pulled one back in final stretch with Pepe hitting woodwork and Laca unable to find net on rebound. But lets rip into Arteta because it suits our pre determined agenda.

    Best indicator of Arteta’s style in that match was the Martinelli sub on 10 men, baller move.

  79. Pedro

    Big whoops were hard to come by during the Emery reign of terror.

    How times change, now Marko has found his standards and a different sort of blind spot for a man he called Pep’s cone boy for 18 months.

  80. Pedro

    Amen Sal, the Martinellis sub was Wenger at his best playing 4 upfront against Chelsea when King Kanu made it happen.

  81. Dissenter

    Pedro
    Thanks for calling out this silly “weakened Palace” nonsense
    Hodgson sets up his team as hard-working robots, the so called stronger team wont have done any better than they did today.
    The ref allowed the game to disintegrate into a mud wrestling competition and then we lost Torr at halftime.
    Everyone knows Guendouzi and Xhaka together is just bad, really bad.

  82. Dissenter

    Some people start by saying they are going to give Arteta latitude for the rest of the season…then they start showing their true colors.
    Like the dude whining about a lack of style when the mitigating facts were there for all to see.

  83. China1

    Was it only me who noticed the nonsense with injury time calculation? They make it up each game I swear

    The second half had 5 subs, the red card car review alone took 3 mins, assuming zero other stoppages innthe whole half (patently not the case) you’d still end up with at least 5-6 mins but only 4 given

    Then due to some tit for tat exchanges in stoppage time he lets us play to 96 minutes

    This means there was 50% as much stoppage in the last 4 mins of the game as in the previous 45. It’s just really random rather than being taken seriously

  84. China1

    Also how is var used soooo badly? The auba red was totally blatant. Literally the first angle they showed it at real time I was like probably a red, they show it again in a better angle in slow mo 5 seconds later and it’s the easiest decision you’ll ever make- straight red. Why do trained professionals need to rewatch it 15 times from 15 angles taking 3 mins to confirm something that frankly anyone and their uncle could confirm in 10-15 seconds?

    You can have all the technology in the world but when the officials using them are utterly hapless it will always end up in issues, whether in the form of stupid delays or bad decisions

  85. China1

    There was an aggressive foul similar to auba’s but clearly not as bad from palace late on and the ref used var and confirmed it as just a yellow in 15 seconds. How can auba’s take 3 mins when it’s clear as day but the palace one takes 15 seconds?

    The approach to officiating is never logical or consistent

  86. China1

    One way to make var snappier is you just give the officials two slow motion different angles replays which they watch once each with no rewinding or faffing about

    After the second viewing they have to hit two buttons, one determines no issue/foul/offside the other states the confidence of the official in the decision low/medium/high

    Watching the two replays and hitting the buttons would take only 15-20 seconds max and then there’s standard protocol for determining the ref’s next action based on the two inputs (issue vs confidence), so we don’t end up with 3 mins wasted whilst morons rewind and watch the patently obvious 20 times over then discuss it over and over

    The process of using var should be limited to a maximum of 30 seconds.

  87. Aussie Gooner

    We scraped a draw against Palace and are happy that direct competitors Brighton, Burnley and Spuds lost! Just think about that for a minute.

  88. Mysticleaves

    Lmao. Have been reading but can’t comment cos of work. But I have been laughing at Pedro’s headlines and holding on to any single thing to praise Arteta. Welcome to le grove untold. 😅😅😅

    Happy new year people. Bless you all

  89. HighburyLegend

    “Best indicator of Arteta’s style in that match was the Martinelli sub”

    Martinelli forced to wait Auba’s red card for having a chance to play.
    Yep, baller move.

  90. Sid

    Sheffield will be the real test like i said after the man u win. Arteta has been good at motivation the big question is will it last till seasons end?

    Im telling you this for free!

  91. Marko

    How times change, now Marko has found his standards and a different sort of blind spot for a man he called Pep’s cone boy for 18 months.

    Inaccuracies but that’s to be expected around here. I’m not sure the cone boy comment was from me but sure lay it on me. Fact is that it’s excuse season all of a sudden meanwhile the previous manager was fair game. Where’s the consistencies how come you guys are so afraid to even slightly criticize the manager. It’s not even about criticizing the manager but how come some of you guys are so quick to defend/deflect what is still poor results and mixed performances. Anyway

  92. Aussie Gooner

    I am still not sure what Guen brings to the table. I don’t think anybody has told him what he is supposed to do on the pitch. Come on super coach, whisper in his ear!

  93. Aussie Gooner

    China

    I am not saying that Guen is rubbish, I just don’t think that he understands what is required of him. He has energy to burn, skill and a willingness to receive the ball, but he is not sure what to do with it – there is no appreciable end product. When was the last time he took a shot at goal, went on a run dribbling with the ball, put in a well timed tackle, delivered the killer pass? He is a midfielder who should be doing all these things – he is very frustrating to watch.

  94. Thorough

    My plan for SHU if I were Arteta.
    Gut the midfield.
    Be bold in attack.
    Martinez
    AMN Papa Luiz. Kola
    Torreira. MATTY G
    Ceballos
    Pepe. Martinelli. Saka

    Eventually Leno will be found out. Aside being a great shot stopper I don’t see what else he does. Doesn’t start attacks like EMI, doesn’t command his defence, keeps to that rubbish pass out from the back and generally has that confused/innocent puppy look.
    Ceballos had totally dominated against Tottenham and Burnley where he practically ran the show, Ozil only features when others are good. And we shouldn’t be building that base of the midfield on an arrogant, limited player who’ll be gone sooner or later.
    And every time Martinelli has led the line he’s scored.
    Rest some legs.
    Try some new things.

  95. Mark

    @Thorough
    I like your line up, I would possibly interchange Guen with Willock who I think has better all round play ( when in form).
    I totally agree about Leno, his kicking is poor and his decision making isn’t great. But there are more than one way to play out from the back, if he was more accurate when kicking he could hit kola or AMN instead of always going to Sok or Luiz on the 2nd or 3rd pass. Emi has looked a lot more switched on and distributed quicker and more accurately when he’s played.

  96. Un na naai

    Thorough

    I prefer Martinez to Leno. I’ve never been fully convinced by Leno myself either

    I thought holding and cech were both outstanding before their injuries last season.

    If Arteta dips into the market it has to be fire a player who offers what Torreira offers. Someone who can play alongside him and take his place
    We literally have no other option in his absence

    As I said last summer. Torreira is by far our best midfielder but we have a massive gaping hole whenever he’s not deployed at dmf. Let’s hope this is just a precaution and he will he back soon. Problem is that we can’t afford to play him continuously either so another midfielder with bite is essential.
    Xakha and Guendouzi are just far too soft in the middle

    We could move Luiz t’other forward to cover for Arteta but there is nobody to take his place at centre half
    Arteta has bare bones to work with

  97. Un na naai

    Mark

    Martinez has more presence too. Bigger bloke. Better off his line. More commanding at crosses

    Leno is a very very good keeper no doubt but I want to see more of Martinez
    Those loans have done him the world of good
    Just shows what can be done with some game time and experience.
    We are lucky to have two good keepers when for years we’ve had none. Scz aside for a couple of seasons. And cech for half a season

  98. China1

    Un nai I disagree on cech. He was saving shots which is good but he was like a camel on ice skates with the ball. He almost scored two own goals in the first 5 games from passing so badly

    I’m not a big advocate of keepers playing it out from the back but cech’s footwork on the ball is shocking

  99. Receding Hairline

    It was not a good performance yesterday. Could have been worse but doesn’t make it good.

    The true test for Arteta is how many players he let’s go come summer. All this talk is irrelevant with certain players still about.

    I like how everyone keeps saying it could have been worse under Emery bla bla bla…Emery actually won 21 league games in his first year. His first mistake was keeping most of the wasters last summer, that cost him his job. Arteta should learn from that, this lot will always cost you.

  100. China1

    Aussie but I’m not making general comments on his ability – he literally stood in for torreira and did so very well yesterday

    He was positive on the ball, he shielded the defense quite well, his passing was good and he didn’t do the slow build up style where he draws endless fouls and was much quicker at releasing the ball. He also showed plenty of willingness to receive the ball side on and make forward passes

    I’m not sure what else he needs to do as torreira’s stand in

  101. Un na naai

    Palace away is our bogey fixture too
    With 10 men and our best midfielder off the pitch

    Obviously disappointed and will be expecting much more next year but big teams draw away to teams like palace. This fixture last year we were beaten by palace so it’s an improvement on emery

  102. Aussie Gooner

    Thorough

    I to like your line up but would also sub in Willock for Guen as suggested by Mark. I agree with Martinez over Leno as we will have to be sharp and playing out from the back is not a good idea when playing a team like Utd. The back four picks itself – I I don’t think it would be wise to risk Holding.

    I don’t know if Torreira will be fit but Ceballos has to play. He can make a difference and, just like Pepe, scares defenders even if everything they atempt does not always come off.

    The three up top have the means to score goals on the break or even from route one up the middle!

  103. Un na naai

    China1January 12, 2020 07:21:11
    Un nai I disagree on cech. He was saving shots which is good but he was like a camel on ice skates with the ball. He almost scored two own goals in the first 5 games from passing so badly

    China
    Then why force it on him? Emery must have known? Bad management
    And he was doing more than just saving shots
    He was immense before his injury. Our best player
    Had he not been there we’d have lost a large number of those opening games under emery because we were just being peppered.

  104. Un na naai

    The true test for Arteta is how many players he let’s go come summer. All this talk is irrelevant with certain players still about.

    Hairline

    That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
    The true test of a manager is not how many players he sells. It’s results and performances.
    Another Transfer market fan to add to Freddie and Marko.

    What a melon

  105. Un na naai

    Emery actually won 21 league games in his first year. His first mistake was keeping most of the wasters last summer, that cost him his job. Arteta should learn from that, this lot will always cost you.

    Hairline
    1) cech saved him in those opening fixtures. As did holding Torreira Lacazette and Aubameyang

    4/5 of those were wenger signings and Torreira was a player he didn’t want

    2) Emery lost this fixture last season. So yes. It was worse under emery. Undeniable fact son

  106. Receding Hairline

    The true test of a manager you dumb ass is realizing certain players aren’t good enough and being ruthless enough to make changes.

    I don’t expect someone still pining for Jack Wilshere to understand that. Or one who thinks Willock and AMN will do because they are English lads.

  107. China1

    Un well it was wrong of emery to insist on a player who simply cannot pass a ball to play passes across his box under pressure, but it’s still part of his performance and t was really poor

    As much as emery was wrong on that, there’s not really any excuse for how cech by his mid 30s never even learned basic short passing skills. That’s on him and he deserves criticism for that

  108. Un na naai

    The true test of a manager you dumb ass is realizing certain players aren’t good enough and being ruthless enough to make changes.

    Hairline
    No. That’s not the truest test. The manager at arsenal doesn’t do transfers remember? This was a point you vehemently argued only weeks ago and now it’s in the bin and you’ve done a complete 180.

    Sore neck have you?

  109. Receding Hairline

    China you mean like how Sokratis an outfield player struggles to play passes out the back? Or how Kolasinac makes sure he is so far up the pitch he isn’t an option for playing out the back? Or how Xhaka goes missing because he hates the ball under pressure? Or how AMN simply flicks it on not caring where it goes?

    Yea we are back to discussing players aren’t we?

  110. Un na naai

    As much as emery was wrong on that, there’s not really any excuse for how cech by his mid 30s never even learned basic short passing skills. That’s on him and he deserves criticism for that

    China
    I couldn’t give two shits if he can do a thousand kicks ups with one toe

    He was goalkeeper
    He was there to save our goal and that’s what he did.
    If a keeper can pop the ball about then great. It’s a bonus but I’d rather a keeper that always saves us over one that does sometimes but clips a lovely ball to the left back.

  111. Thorough

    @MARK, UN NAI and AUSSIE GOONER.
    Let’s just hope Arteta sees what we see and that’s why we’re linked to Ionut Radu of late. Don’t know much about him but he’s Romanian and can come cheap cos he’s on his final 6 months.
    We’re linked to Calhanoglu too, used to be amazing in Germany. We’re absolutely in need of a goal scoring midfielder too.

  112. China1

    It’s really nuts that you can have so many top end pro players who are so far short of basic ability in secondary skill sets just because they’re good in their specialism

    If you switched that out to other career paths you’d get laughed out of the building so I dunno what football players’ excuse is

    If you work in banking and get to a top level of the industry in one field, for example retail banking, it would be nuts if you had not even a basic grasp of financial markets knowledge.

    Goalkeepers should have excellent close control, short and long passing to compliment their shot stopping skills. This should be a minimum expectation regardless of how good your shot stopping skills are at this level

  113. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    You’re on a roll today. A manager saved by good performances by his player, what a novel concept.

    And he didn’t even sign them himself, blasphemer.

    Do you think We are going to keep players that the manager absolutely doesn’t want to keep? That doesn’t mean he is the one handling the transfers himself.

    Even dumber than usual this morning Don, been on the booze?

  114. Unai

    Forget the kids for now, of our senior players, who walks into a top 4 squad?

    Leno – Yes.

    Luiz – Not good enough for Chelsea in 4th.

    Sok – Debatable if he’s top 10 quality.

    Xhaka – Another mid table player by prem standards.

    Torreira – Would probably make Leicesters and Chelsea’s squad but not a regular starter.

    Ozil – No chance.

    Laca – Not on current form.

    Pepe – Would probably shine in a team that could carry him (Liverpool possibly) but will always be a luxury.

    Auba – Yes, but only for his goals, not his all round play.

    I have no desire to lay this at Arteta’s door but we have been poor under him in all but 3 halves of football against Chelsea, United & Leeds in the same way we were poor under Wenger & Emery.

    3 coaches in 3 years, same result, time to accept that with out serious intervention or some incredibly lucky bargain basement purchases, not much is going to change.

    Poverty might be a strong word but to classify the above as anything other than average is laughable.

  115. China1

    Un na Leno has saved more shots than any other keeper in the PL since he joined

    At least that was true as of a month or two back.

    With an average shot stopper we’d have finished 7-10 points worse off last season

  116. Un na naai

    I don’t expect someone still pining for Jack Wilshere to understand that. Or one who thinks Willock and AMN will do because they are English lads.

    Receding

    And yet AMN has been proving how capable he is while joe willock is our highest scoring midfielder with 4

    How’s your boy Dani Ceballos doing? Won’t be long before he’s back in Madrid with his tail between his legs
    Muh transfer market

    What a melon 🍉 you are boy.

  117. Receding Hairline

    Don you have the IQ of a potato. Can’t be bothered with you.

    How many players have left Liverpool since Klopp? How many left City since Pep? How many left Spurs under Pochettino?

    Toddler

  118. Un na naai

    China

    That comment was not in reference to Leno. Just in general I prefer my keeper to be safe before being good on the ball
    Leno is of course an excellent shot stopper
    No doubt about that.
    Little slight for me though which impacts him coming for crosses.

  119. Aussie Gooner

    Did anyone notice Andy Robertson’s gruesome-looking studs up tackle on Spuds debutant Japhet Tanganga? Very similar to Abu’s but not even a yellow card let alone VAR referral!

  120. China1

    Yeah Leno’s not perfect but he’s a good shot stopper

    My point is that he’s as good a shot stopper as cech was at the start of last season but a better passer on top

  121. Un na naai

    Don you have the IQ of a potato. Can’t be bothered with you. How many players have left Liverpool since Klopp? How many left City since Pep? How many left Spurs under Pochettino? Toddler

    Rh

    Yes and players will continue to leave arsenal.
    That’s still not the truest test of a manager. It’s how he uses his players. You’re making yourself look very stupid hairline.

    Look at emery
    Spent £200m (it had it spent on him)
    Signed in 11-12 players
    Had 6 youngsters promoted

    Sold off

    Cech (retired)
    Iwobi
    Monreal
    Jenkinsin
    Ramsey
    Wilshere
    Cazorla
    Mkhitaryan
    Ospina
    Asano
    Welbeck
    Elneny
    Koscielney
    Bielik
    Perez
    Campbell
    Chupa Akpom
    Mertesacker (retired)

    That’s 18 players gone and roughly 18 back in with chambers and Martinez being brought back into the club.

    Massive squad turnover in his 18 months

    How did he do hairline? He passed your player turnover test but he flunked on results

    Truest test eh?

    You melon 🍉

  122. Unai

    Aussie, i was spewing at the red yesterday.

    My impression was VAR was for clear and obvious errors, that challenge could have been anything from a straight red to a simple free kick depending on circumstances.

    Was a yellow a clear and obvious error? Not if it took 3 minutes to come to a conclusion.

  123. Un na naai

    China

    Cech was more commanding if his area
    Better at crosses
    Knew the league well
    Was a leader

    Either way he was our best performer in the opening 10 games followed by holding and Torreira

  124. Un na naai

    DonYou’re on a roll today. A manager saved by good performances by his player, what a novel concept.And he didn’t even sign them himself, blasphemer.

    Context arse licker
    Rh is claiming that the “truest test” of a manager is in how many players her sells in the summer

    And if you must know, I’m working. Busy time of year for me. Earning a fortune though!! 💰 💰 💰

  125. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    Well, if Arteta insists on keeping Xhaka and Ozil for example he’s going to fail no matter how good of a coach he is. As me and a few others would like that to not happen we would like to see some signings that actually improves the team. Preferably this month.

    We can’t keep relying on midfielders that can only do one aspect of the game each because they lack the mobility to do anything else.
    This is not something that can be coached and we will continue to suffer for it cocksucker.

  126. Un na naai

    Unai

    This season?
    It’s possible but I’m certain he will achieve an EL spot whilst starting from the bottom half of the table with just 18 games to make up the difference with a low in morale and injury ravaged squad

    What are the divs here expecting?

  127. Un na naai

    DonWell, if Arteta insists on keeping Xhaka and Ozil for example he’s going to

    Freddie
    And what if he can’t get rid of ozil?
    What if he has xakha playing well?
    Why can’t he keep them but add more quality?
    If Dani Ceballos and Guendouzi steppes uo you wouldn’t have either playing

    Transfer market is no guarantee you’ll get a better player. In fact the midfielders we’ve brought in bar Torreira have made us worse. Undeniable fact