Disasterclass summer. Do the numbers point to a rational explanation?

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Ok, ok… so is it time to start getting angry on Twitter?

Should I be at the Kroenke out protest?

Should I strap a camera to my face and VENT for the good people of Youtube?

I think it’s nearly that time.

We are a week away from preseason, we haven’t sold a notable flop, we haven’t purchased the 8 players I was SURE we’d bring in. I don’t even have a slick new haircut from Theo Walcott to excite me.

We’re basically rolling into preseason like this was peak-Wenger 2012.

I’m half expecting Emery to roll in with a French accent and say something like, ‘we look for maybe one special talent, but we will not pay over the odds.’

I still remember 2008 when Wenger told us he’d surprise us with a signing, then dropped Silvestre! Good times.

There’s certainly a disorder with Arsenal fans that we picked up from the halcyon days of ‘WENGER KNOWS’ and I call it retroactive intellectualism. It’s where you find sense in chaos. It’s a comfort blanket to project a plan where there is none.

I’m rolling with that today…

Raul must know that what he’s being served up under Emery is flatulent and unlikely to move us to where we need to be. I know from speaking to people in and around the club that things aren’t going well. I think our exec leadership will know this as well unless they aren’t talking to people. Which come to think of it isn’t beyond the pale… surely if someone walked down to the training ground and saw the bus driver giving the team speech, they’d say something?

I digress…

So, is it possible that we’re writing off this season as an inexpensive transition moment? We blood the kids, keep our powder dry and wait for the arrival of Edu to whom all responsibility for success will lie?

That could be the plan.

Alternatively, we could just be witnessing a botched attempt at a summer because we have zero leverage in the market. We have a severe cashflow issue, a bloated wage bill, expensive players no one wants, and too little money to bring in the players we do want.

The money side of things is utterly staggering. But it all comes down to so many people at the club being ok with coasting back in the day. We didn’t make hay when the Champions League was giving us a monster advantage. We let great managers pass us by. We were dominated by the presence of yesteryear. Now we are paying the price because we are starting from scratch.

That said, as I’m writing this, I feel very depressed. Arsenal has spent the last 15 years bemoaning what they DON’T have instead of working out how to make the most of what they DO have.

You work with the tools you are handed. You find an edge. You hire people that are cunning. You find market disruptors who find value under the rocks that no one is looking under. In my job, can I pay the best wages? No. Can I hire the greatest creative talent on earth? No. Do I moan? Yes. But I find a way because if I don’t, there’s no job for me. That’s the same in EVERY industry. Just fucking get on with it and find a way. There are enough talented players to go around. Technology is BOOMING. Incredible people are there for the taking. We need a driving force at the club that cares about one thing, and one thing only… making Arsenal the best they can be.

Who do we have doing that at the moment?

We’re competing in the second tier of experienced players by the looks of things. Carrasco, Zaha… instead of hunting out elite young players with a couple of seasons under their belts like BVB. To be fair, Tierney would fit that mould, but we should be bringing in 5 like that.

I felt like Sven Mislintat was our explorer. Someone that’d do things differently. Something that’d attempt to restructure the way we find advantages with talent. We’ve lost that hustle, and the worrying thing is it’s because Raul doesn’t believe in that approach.

We’re hunting for rebirths in a network of dodgy agents. I hate that. We’re trying to make a marquee signing of Wilfried Zaha. Good player, but really?

The industry of football is moving towards intelligence and we’re anchoring ourselves in the cigar smoke-filled world of the contacts game.

It. Is. Sad.

But hey, maybe we’ll sign Pepe today and I will come CRAWLING back on my hands and knees begging for your future clicks.

We’ll see. Hope is all we have. And each other. I love you guys.

xx

331 Responses to “Disasterclass summer. Do the numbers point to a rational explanation?”

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  1. Champagne charlie

    “So its perfectly acceptable to throw the season away early like Wenger, play the last two months with nothing at stake, than compete and fall short in the end”

    Classic case of ‘quick, Emery is getting criticised throw some Wenger stuff out there’. I’m not sure how you land at it being “acceptable”, the man was sacked you fucking melon.

    “Beat Brighton and we finish top four, Xhaka pulls a man down for a penalty, but you will not have a bad word said about him”

    Really, I won’t? Called him a donut a few times the past season, but still won’t pretend he cost us top 4. We scored 1 goal against the 17th placed side in the league at home. Also, if you want to analyse that particular dull Xhaka moment how about you include the full picture of Mkhi missing a bread and butter pass to put Licht in behind which left Xhaka having to sprint half the length of the pitch to deal with a counter.

    It also occurred in the 59th minute of the game, so why couldn’t Emery mastermind a goal against Brighton in 30mins plus added time? Never mind a bore draw vs Leicester, Palace, Wolves, Everton…..

  2. Champagne charlie

    Pedro

    What’s your take on Sky Sauces saying we’re talking to Brahimi formerly of Porto?

    Shrewd? or Smelling like Emery is going for next season and fuck the vision? or both?

  3. TheBoyCornelius

    Play the young’uns Nelson, Willock Nketiah and buy some more – Tierney, Saliba, Sangare, Ocampos. Go all in with youth I say

  4. Marko

    I felt like Sven Mislintat was our explorer. Someone that’d do things differently

    Of the 7 players he was responsible for signing he bought 3 players he had previously worked with and Lichtsteiner. Sven Mislintat gets far too much credit than he deserves.

  5. Leftsidesanch

    Genuinely thought last summer was a sign of things to come in terms of player recruitment and planning for the season ahead.

    It’s eerily quiet at the minute.

  6. JAMES WOOD

    1.4 MILLION A MONTH -OZIL.

    The guys got his money he should be moving on.?
    And at least try and show some pride at another club.
    1.4 MILLION FOR A goldfish with no tail.
    Im livid.

  7. Marko

    Also, if you want to analyse that particular dull Xhaka moment how about you include the full picture of Mkhi missing a bread and butter pass to put Licht in behind which left Xhaka having to sprint half the length of the pitch to deal with a counter.

    You sure you called him a donut last season. Seems like another example of an excuse for poor auld Xhaka. Had to sprint half the length of the field oh the poor petal perhaps if he wasn’t so stupid to get continually caught out of position. Even still the actual challenge that gave away the pen was something straight out of the dumbshits handbook. Xhaka’s got himself a few chapters in that book for sure

  8. Words on a Blog

    Marko,

    Maybe Scen was overrated but at the time Torreira and Guendouzi were pretty left field for Arsenal signings. And Leno was our first decent (young) goalkeeper signing in years…..

  9. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Where’s the excuse? Literally called it a “dull moment”. But if you, or anyone else, cares to offer that up as a reason for us losing points then offer up the whole image and not just the bit you want to give the glory to.

    Do we concede a pen without the Xhaka challenge? no. Do we concede without the failed Mkhi pass? no. Do we concede without geriatric Licht overlapping as per our ‘tactics’? no.

    …and again, this occurred in the 59th minute of the game, so explain how Emery couldn’t deliver a goal in 30 minutes?

    I’ll tell you why as I see it, insipid manager.

  10. Words on a Blog

    Pedro,

    I feel that at the start of the summer, the best we could hope for was Project European Youth.

    What it looks like now is Project Arsenal Youth, with the bulk of “new” players being promoted from the Under 23s and returning loanees.

  11. Words on a Blog

    Receding,

    Leno may not have been a mystery to anyone, but at least he was an actual signing!

  12. Marko

    Wolves just signed Dendoncker for about 10 million after his loan. We really need to be open to these types of signings going forward. Lyon got Ndombele after a loan. Maybe we could look at something like that going forward. Maybe Florentino Luis at Benfica or Sander Berge.

  13. Receding Hairline

    Emery couldn’t deliver a goal in 30 minutes said with a straight face yet jumps to Aubameyang’s defense when it was pointed out he missed a penalty (in a match Emery managed exceptionally well and we should have won) or that same player fluffed a chance from a few yards out, a simple cushion and side foot and he attempted a volley.

    Real football is now playstation, the manager has a controller at hand and should deliver a goal. Wonder why Auba gets 200k a week then

  14. Chrispy

    Swiss Ramble is brilliant at what he does and that includes pushing me to the depths of depression my fluoxetine has no chance of reversing.

  15. Receding Hairline

    Oh wait Auba won the golden boot so gets a pass

    Xhaka has been called a donut gets a pass

    the manager in his first season in the league makes 70 points and competes for a champions league place till the very end (he does not get a pass because i wanted a different appointment)

  16. Marko

    Words absolutely agree. Of his signings Guendouzi and Torreira were very good examples of forward thinking on his part. Leno wasn’t a surprise we were linked with him for years but the rest were really just safe somewhat thoughtless signings on his part. I tend to think Mhiki, Sokratis and Lichtsteiner in particular were huge red flags. Basically I don’t think I’d hold him in such high regard after those three

  17. Cesc Appeal

    That guy Turkish from AFTV organised a Kroenke Out protest at the kit launch, seems only around 40 people attended

  18. Marc

    Good to see Pedro in such a positive mood.

    On a serious note I still think bitching about Zaha is a colossal waste of time I cannot see us signing him. If we have that sort of money then the problems aren’t half as bad as we keep talking about – unless of course it includes selling Auba to another PL club.

  19. Marko

    so explain how Emery couldn’t deliver a goal in 30 minutes? I’ll tell you why as I see it, insipid manager.

    I know man what a useless fucker he couldn’t orchestrate a goal with who was on the pitch. Disgraceful puppeteering if ever I saw it

  20. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    I didn’t leap to Auba defence, I stated quite simply that when a team fails the first person held responsible is the manager – and this is the norm across all football clubs.

    I laughed that you, in an attempt to avoid Emery getting criticised, offered up Auba as a reason we failed to reach top 4. The premier league joint golden boot winner was responsible for our failures haha. I said he was a net positive for the season, and the same cannot be said for Emery.

    Now it’s apparently a foreign concept to expect a manager to muster a win from being 1-1 with 30mins left to play, at home, against the 17th placed side in the league. Deary me  😂

  21. KAY Boss

    Guys I expected most here to come to terms on our present situation.
    The Brahimis is the way we may go for sometime before we get up on our feet. With our reported budget were you expecting g us to be spending like sugar daddies?
    Juve like to sign freebies and they do sign quality ones as well.
    Brahimi, n one knows what he’ll be.
    Anyway, love that new home kits

  22. Receding Hairline

    Not a foreign concept if your “net positive” for the season misses a sitter from a few yards out Charles, enough with the laughing Emoji you are a man in your forties i believe

    As for Emery not being a net positive…you and your ilk are taking it for granted that the lowest we could have done last season was finish on 70 points and compete for top four, that we could not have gone lower than that no matter who the manager was, that line of thought is a joke and why i do not take you seriously….

  23. uwot?

    This really ought to be the make or break season with the Kroenke out starting to gain more momentum.Wenger & gazidis The two frontmen are gone.No protection from the fan base anymore .The vitriol will slowly creep up getting interesting especially with a non existent transfer window unwinding.

  24. Marko

    I also can’t believe he couldn’t muster a win with Lacazette, Aubameyang, Ozil, Kolasinac, Iwobi on for the last 30 mins. And with Nketiah on the bench… what a disaster.

  25. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    Well if you believe it, it must be true eh..

    Emery being a net positive or not isn’t deduced solely through points returned but the managerial applications witnessed throughout the season, tactics, rotation, player performances etc. From that pov it’s a very debatable case of Emery being a net positive.

    But I’m suggesting such a thing to someone that’s spent months on end behaving like Emery’s guard dog, so it’s obviously not a point that will bear any fruit, or thought, with you.

  26. Marko

    But I’m suggesting such a thing to someone that’s spent months on end behaving like Emery’s guard dog

    Oh that’s good coming from you. You spent years acting like Arsene’s gerbil that escaped from Richard Gere’s house

  27. Receding Hairline

    Someone tell Charles again what a mess we were in prior to last season

    He seems to believe Arsenal’s issue starting last season with the appointment of Unai Emery, he wants to talk tactics, rotation and player performances, we apparently amassed 70 points in the league without any of this being applied, go figure.

    Give us more laughing emoji’s Charles

  28. Champagne charlie

    Guns

    Are you of the right age to be using emojis mate?

    Run it by Receding, he’s keeper of the list it seems.

  29. Dissenter

    “Someone tell Charles again what a mess we were in prior to last season”

    Count me out.
    I’m on his “boring list” for repeatedly telling him the same thing.
    That fact will never percolate through, it seems.
    It all started when we first heard ‘good ebening”

  30. Champagne charlie

    “He seems to believe Arsenal’s issue starting last season with the appointment of Unai Emery, he wants to talk tactics, rotation and player performances, we apparently amassed 70 points in the league without any of this being applied, go figure.”

    Is that another one of them beliefs that YOU have, so they somehow become “true”?

    I was one of few that said the squad we had last summer was good enough to compete for top 4, and what do you know…

    We also amassed 63 points the year prior and it was an abomination of discontent around the club, not to mention total incompetence from the manager. We managed 75 points the year prior to that with the same utterly flawed manager making the same mistakes over and over.

    But here we are with Emery serving us 70 points and I’m to appreciate we landed there as a result of managerial skill? pull the other one.

  31. CG

    PedRo

    “””””I know from speaking to people in and around the club that things aren’t going well. “””””””

    So why in Gods name dont Raul and Vinny do their bloody jobs and resolve these problems.

    Sacking Useless. And getting a proper coach in
    Demanding Edu arrives this week or dont bother.
    And get some quality in.
    And cutting the real dross …. Jenks,Elneny.

    If this Algerian bald winger comes aboard. (Mahrez yes – this dope No)
    We might as well all commit harakari

    It comes to something that Derby County from the Championship are appointing a manager better than what we currently have.
    ….Derby County….!

    A macabre and sombre post ( – and I off course thank PedRo for it……)

  32. Marko

    I mean give someone like gambon credit at least he’s being objective. But Charles if he was about 10% even a measly 10% as critical of the previous manager as he is of the current one you could take some of what he says seriously instead of it appearing as butthurt or jilted really. Anyway doesn’t really matter does it he has about as much sway as that poor gerbil

  33. Micheal

    The architects of failure – Kroenke, Wenger and Gazidis. Two have gone. Only Kroenke is still standing.

    All sensible suggestions about how we remove the last stain on our club are welcome.

  34. Receding Hairline

    #AFC keen on Zaha but any move would depend on the player forcing #CPFC hand; Nabil Fekir has been offered to Arsenal & would cost £30m; club have held talks with Brahimi’s agent over a free transfer; 2 bids rejected for Tierney but deal could be done [via @johncrossmirror]

  35. Receding Hairline

    Seems Benitez is Carrasco’s new manager

    “Rafa Benitez has agreed to become the new manager of Chinese club Dalian Yifang, SSN understands.

    We’re told the Spaniard could be introduced as the club’s new boss as early tomorrow, following the resignation of South Choi Kang Hee on Monday.

    Benitez’s Newcastle United contract came to an end on Sunday. He’s set to more than double his £6m salary at St James’ Park. “

  36. Dissenter

    Preseason turn-out will be very scanty
    Too many players were busy in the summer with national team call-ups.

  37. Marko

    25 million a season I hear for Benitez. Bet he’ll still complain about the transfer budget though

  38. Pierre

    Marko and dissenter

    There is a reason why Emery couldn’t get his team to muster a goal in the last half hour …..have a look at what happens when an Emery side is chasing a game when they need a goal.

    And I will tell you that in not one of these games when we needed to score a goal did we manage that in the last 30 minutes of these games since December.

    Southampton away 2-3..
    Spurs home 0-2
    Brighton away 1-1
    West ham away 0-1
    Man Utd home. 1-3
    Man city away1-3
    Bate..away. 0-1
    Rennes away 1-3
    Everton away 0-1
    Leicester away 0-3

    And then Brighton at home 1-1 and of course we failed yet again to score in the last half hour when we really needed a goal .

    And people wonder why the likes of myself and a few others question Emery….these figures are a damming indictment on his capabilities as a manager.

    I will add that there were 3 Other games we lost when we did manage one goal in the last half hour but sadly those goals came in games when we were already 3-0 down to Chelsea ( cup final) 3-0 down to wolves and 3-1 down to Palace.

    I

  39. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    You’re disregarding what I say, irrespective of what’s being said, because of some falsehood nonsense you’re desperate to push time after time.

    Says a lot more about you than me. In your little world there has to be sides, and previous roles as fans. You’re forever assigning context, even when there isn’t any to begin with. Weird way of going about it.

  40. James.wood

    Reading between the lines the Ray Parlour interview
    live this morning would suggest that the Torreador will
    be transferred his immediate family are really unhappy
    with life in the UK.

  41. Champagne charlie

    Oh FFS, Sky are taking the piss at this point surely?

    Who’s let the fucking summer interns loose on the computers today…

  42. Receding Hairline

    Kovacic (pointless player) just went for 40m, no way in hell is Palace accepting 40m from us for Zaha …and that’s about what he is worth at a stretch

    Fekir at 30m is a tasty offer

  43. Marc

    Only way we’ve bid £40 million for Zaha is if we’ve found out there’s a buy out clause.

    Don’t believe it for a second.

  44. Marc

    Receding

    It’s crazy – the company that’s claiming to be a neutral source of information has a financial interest in whipping up false rumours.

  45. Champagne charlie

    Can we not take Zaha on an elaborate loan until his contract expires and avoid the 25% sell on fee. Palace can get their money, we get Zaha, United get shafted?

  46. Marko

    because of some falsehood nonsense you’re desperate to push time after time.

    I’m not pushing any falsehoods with regards to you. It’s plain to see for everyone where you come from what you say and how objective you were in the past.

    You’re forever assigning context, even when there isn’t any to begin with. Weird way of going about it.

    Odd giving when I commented on you wanting Antonio Valencia signed you started harping on about context. Again Charles it’s not a falsehood to say that you only discovered the ability to criticize the manager in the summer of 2018. And quite vehemently so

  47. Receding Hairline

    “Arsenal are interested in Hakim Ziyech, but there aren’t negotiations at the moment. He turned down an offer from Sevilla FC. (Calciomercato) #AFC”

    I am interested in a lot of things i am not negotiating for at the moment too, print that

  48. Pierre

    Receding Hairline
    “Emery couldn’t deliver a goal in 30 minutes said with a straight face ”

    no doubt Charlie did have a straight face because Emery failed to deliver a goal in the last 30 minutes in nearly every game that we needed one .

  49. Receding Hairline

    ‘ZAHA’S DREAM TO PLAY FOR ARSENAL’

    Following the news of Arsenal’s £40m bid for the Crystal Palace winger Wilfried Zaha, his brother Judicael has told Sky Sports News: “Wilfried will always hold Crystal Palace and their fans in the highest regard and all the support they have given means the world to him.

    “It’s my brother’s dream though, to play for Arsenal,” he added.

    “Given all that Wilfried has given to Crystal Palace to help them remain a Premier League club, I hope Palace will be able to see their way to agreeing a deal with Arsenal that allows Wilfried to realise his dream of playing European Football for the club he’s supported since childhood.”

  50. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    You’re offering nonsense that I didn’t criticise Wenger even 10% of how I criticise Emery. That’s complete bollocks, but you’re set in your ways of talking pish as ‘truth’. that’s well documented on here.

    So right away there’s little point arguing on the matter. I’m not talking actual context if you weren’t aware, I said you assign imaginary context to situations and draw incorrect assumptions as a result.

    That’s not the same as me including the context of discussing Antonio Valencia as a free agent, and how he’d offer much more than Licht if we were to go that route again. Such a flaccid statement, one that you’re desperate to dramatise into something worthy of critique and bluster.

  51. Receding Hairline

    That’s the only way this deal works, the player making it clear he wants out. Zaha cannot watch Bissaka make a move to a top six club and Palace expect him to stay put. It’s either now or probably never for him.

    I support this transfer though 100%, no adaptation nonsense.

  52. DUIFG

    This brahimi signing is banter, bringing in 29 Yr old wingers when we have Nelson coming back in. Buying in the next gen of cloggers is not the way forward.

  53. Leftsidesanch

    Maybe we’re banking on Zaha kicking up a fuss and handing in a transfer request. His brother already has started..

  54. DUIFG

    On the thread of banter we get moments forgot the fact he completely papered over the fact he failed to strengthen the squad in 2013 bar flamimi then played it cool lost the opener to villa and then shit himself into the ozil purchase, and slapped on a that was my plan all along line. Given ozil at the time was the daddy most bought it

  55. Pierre

    Marko
    “I also can’t believe he couldn’t muster a win with Lacazette, Aubameyang, Ozil, Kolasinac, Iwobi on for the last 30 mins. And with Nketiah on the bench… what a disaster.”

    He did fail against
    Southampton ,Brighton,spurs,West ham , .man Utd man city, Bate, Rennes, Everton, Brighton home , Leicester.

    Now that is a disaster , to have a manager who can’t motivate his team to score one goal in the last half hour of those games.

  56. Champagne charlie

    uffff, I expect a retraction/denial of those words by later tonight. Either that or Zaha is game for playing slimy to get out from the Crystal Palace grip, and won’t do a Mahrez.

    If there’s one pretty golden rule in football at clubs that size, there’s nothing to gain with holding a player against his wishes. Take the money and run. Maybe the links to Balde, Brahimi are Arsenal driven to tell palace we’re not desperate.

  57. PhilF

    Pre season around the corner, still haven’t shifted Xhaka, Mustafi and all the other dross. The defence needs an over haul but Arsenal make a derisory bid for Zaha. What a clusterfuck this club has become…

  58. Marko

    That’s complete bollocks

    That’s not though. Anyone who’s argued with you even a little bit in that know that you’ve offered us excuses rather than criticisms. But now all of a sudden it’s gaping assholes and the like with regards to the manager. Look I’m not trying to change who you are I’m just commenting on how “objective” you are. Continue as you see fit I don’t care. Well document indeed.

  59. Receding Hairline

    “Now that is a disaster , to have a manager who can’t motivate his team to score one goal in the last half hour of those games.”

    disastrous indeed

    Wonder who motivated them to score the 73 they did last season in the league, probably Wenger over the phone

  60. Cesc Appeal

    TYAGN

    Zaha may not be special but he’s more than okay, he’s a very, very good player and he brings something we have absolutely none of in the team, a wide threat, a dribbler, someone who will take defenders on and plays the dirty side of the game.

    Zaha and Aubameyang as part of a front line will absolutely terrify teams.

    As for the offer, we’re not privy to the internal workings of this deal. Sounds as if Arsenal are in contact with Zaha and this might be the start of Zaha publicly pushing for the exit.

    It may be a £40 Million offer, but add in 2 players and that could be the equivalent of another £20-30 Million on top of that. That means all told Palace have a £60-70 Million offer on the table and a player who is now publicly expressing his desire to leave.

    For the sake of £10-20 Million do they risk keeping him?

  61. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    If Wenger was 3rd with 6 games left and lost top 4 on the same run-in you’d have screamed bottle job. Saying that about Emery for doing just that IS being objective. Making some bogus claim that I didn’t criticise Wenger as much as I have Emery can be filed under erroneous – I lambasted our big 6 tactics, the type of midfielder we went for, having Coquelin in the side (which I was lambasted for because “pashun”), not having a plan B, not being numerous players I considered top grade (Higuain, another I was argued on)…so spare me your wank account of my inputs..

    You just need people on ‘sides’ so you know how to approach a discussion with whomever it is saying X. That’s your strategy, the idea folk have flexible opinions is impossible for you to compute.

  62. DaleDaGooner

    £40m bid in for Zaha, about right where we should be for that type of player, but Palace fans think we are taking the piss

  63. Dissenter

    Why do ‘t we just remortgage the Emirates just to get Zaha?
    Is he that good or have people lost their collective minds?
    He’s not worth anything over 35-40 million.

  64. Pierre

    Receding Hairline

    Does it not concern you that in the games we were behind since December , Emery wasn’t able to motivate the team to score one goal in the last half hour of all those matches to give the watching fans a semblance of hope.

    It actually tells me all I need to know about his capabilities as a manager.

  65. DaleDaGooner

    I’d loan them Reiss Nelson plus the £40m reported we bid….we’ll talk add ons and possible selling them another player next season….£50m should be our max

  66. Marko

    If Wenger was 3rd with 6 games left and lost top 4 on the same run-in you’d have screamed bottle job.

    Ah but context though brother context. Guy 22 years in the job bottles it with a squad of his making compared to manager one year into the job with a squad he inherited isn’t remotely the same it’s not being objective. And it’s worth noting neither last summer or the summer before that were you on here on a daily basis cursing at the season that Arsene just served up? Fuck no. But sure like I said at the end of the day it doesn’t matter

  67. DaleDaGooner

    I figure Mahrez a better plaer than Zaha and they are looking fr similar money, what are they smoking over there at selhurst park?

  68. Marko

    That’s your strategy, the idea folk have flexible opinions is impossible for you to compute.

    That’s you alright flexible. Are you bloody serious.

  69. Champagne charlie

    Assuming the bid of 40 mil is true, what is the purpose of that given it’s never getting the player?

    So it’s officially aired publicly?
    So Zaha’s camp can fight for something?

    It’s 45 plus Chambers and a loanee, we don’t have the cash and that’s the only currency we’ve got to work with.

  70. Marko

    I still maintain we’re going to look foolish if we end up spending a kings ransom for Zaha while Ziyech goes somewhere else for considerably less or even Fekir goes for 30 blips. My god his chemistry with Lacazette alone is worthy of consideration

  71. Pierre

    We have a manager who when we are winning jumps up and down on the sidelines waving his arms and pointing to where he wants the ball played …..watch him when we need a goal to get back in the game ….nothing, slumped in his seat , scratching his chin , waiting for the inevitable defeat..

  72. Gentlebris

    I have been saying here that we would do Zaha, it made sense from the first mention.
    I analysed all the reasons.
    I even mentioned £40m(+Mikki) here yesterday as the figure.

    Some maintain here Stan K gives no rat ass about the Fan’s emotions. When you account for the storms that gave birth to Wenger’s sacking, to think Kroenke feels he could sit back and let the fans moan much as they want is a stupid line of reasoning.

    Zaha is coming and I’m happy!

    And bless Zaha’s brother for coming out to make those very fine comments.

  73. Marko

    I would not pay 50 million for Zaha while we need CB’s fuck no. You could probably nearly get Saliba and Upamecano for 50 odd million

  74. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    I’m not cursing on a daily basis about last season, I said a month back that I’d change the manager firstly but I’m not expecting that – and we can still challenge next season for top 4 with emery. So again, dribble left and right, but it’s there if you want to go back and read it.

    Rewriting a context to suit you is so very Marko. We had 6 games left, were in 3rd, and played sides below us in the league. If Emery was worth his salt he’d have navigated us home to top 4 given he had the tools available to him to do so. But alas, you want to spit feathers because he didn’t buy all the players. Fuck me. No idea how Sarri delivered 3rd, league cup final, and EL winners with players he didn’t buy, some kind of wizard.

  75. Champagne charlie

    “As per @SkyKaveh Arsenal have submitted opening bid for Crystal Palace winger Wilfried Zaha. No players offered yet as part of proposed deal. Will be rejected & is getting predictably ugly. As previously reported Zaha wants to join #AFC & Emery wants him but #CPFC want huge money”

    From Ornstein.

    So again I say, what was the point of our 40 mil bid? Does it trigger something formally? Does it give the Zaha’s fuel to make an exit Strat?

    On the face of it, just seems to be something capable of fucking Palace off.

  76. DUIFG

    Just read that Swiss ramble piece, great analysis. Lays bear 10 years of lies that all we needed was to move stadiums and the rest would follow.

    The stagnation and ineptitude has been incredible

  77. Gentlebris

    ‘..watch him when we need a goal to get back in the game ….nothing, slumped in his seat , scratching his chin , waiting for the inevitable defeat..’

    Pierre you are some man!

    You made it sound like Wenger would big up and do elite things to get a goal when we needed goals back in the day.

  78. Pierre

    I stand by what I said in January that the club do not trust/ rate Emery hence the reason why no funds are forthcoming.

    They gave him the rope to hang himself with the Suarez debacle which basically confimed that he has serious lack of judgement when it comes to analysing what the team needs.

  79. Guns of SF

    SO Sky is reporting this…
    1. It can be to appease the fans, as we all know that Palace will reject it.
    2. It can be real, with some other details we do not know… player swaps, etc… perhaps as a first bid hoping that Palace come down to about 50-55
    3. Zaha bro is auditioning to be an agent someday

  80. Gentlebris

    ‘So again I say, what was the point of our 40 mil bid? Does it trigger something formally? Does it give the Zaha’s fuel to make an exit Strat?’

    Yeah, we should have gone in with a £100m bid and put Auba on top.

  81. Receding Hairline

    Or maybe Pierre they aren’t any funds to give. The Suarez you are fixated on has completed a permanent transfer to another club by the way. Time to let go don’t you think? Or maybe not judging from Ozil, you mate for life

  82. Champagne charlie

    Not sure about none of our players wanting to join Palace, they’re London-based so it wouldn’t require any upheaval, and they pay silly wages eg Zaha, Benteke, Meyer, Sakho all 100k plus earners. Connor Wickham earns 60k LOL.

  83. Guns of SF

    Send Ozil to Palace….. still stays in London… still stays shit, but can be shitty with Palace….

  84. Marko

    No idea how Sarri delivered 3rd, league cup final, and EL winners with players he didn’t buy, some kind of wizard.

    Ha is this one of those instances of context and objectivity from yourself. My god how was he able to do it with players who have previously won actual league titles while our squad had how many league titles? Wizardry alright. He also spent 137 million on two players last summer. Oh my

  85. Dissenter

    “I stand by what I said in January that the club do not trust/ rate Emery hence the reason why no funds are forthcoming.”

    Arsenal is neither that proactive nor organized.
    Will you transfer this hatred to the next manager of Arsenal not named Arsene Wenger?

  86. Cesc Appeal

    Ornstein expects it to be rejected (obviously) but says Arsenal have not offered any players yet as part of the deal.

    Uses the word ‘ugly’ to describe how things are going.

    You’re going to have to kick to get out Zaha.

  87. Gentlebris

    We were not unlocking teams, they sat back and picked us out on the counter, and we could do no shit about it and that was the most horrible situation last season, more horrible than an horrible defence line.

    So get Zaha first and then try your best on the defence.

  88. Receding Hairline

    Charles name one player we have that will move to Palace willingly to appease them

    Mkhi? Not with his agent

    Ozil? Nah

    Iwobi? Yes I can see that happening but only just

    Mustafi? Back on top thinks he is a top player

    Elneny? Don’t think his market value covers the deal

    Nelson? Maybe a two year loan, definitely not permanent

  89. Cesc Appeal

    I think Palace are on the end of what a lot of teams experienced when Barcelona would come for one of their players.

    Palace cannot be as stubborn as they are being, Zaha is absolutely vital to them, so far he’s been quite amicable in terms of publicly saying Palace should do everything they can to come to an arrangement with Arsenal.

    If Arsenal offer £40 Million in cash plus add ons and a player and another player/loaned youngster and Palace say no £100 Million…pretty hard to look Zaha in the eye if you’re them and not expect a downing of tools, potential relegation or poor league finish, devalued Zaha and a 2020 transfer way below the current offer.

    If it’s £40 Million, plus they get Chambers who they wanted before anyway, plus potentially another £10 Million in add ons next summer, plus they’ve got £40 Million for Wan Bissaka and another £10 Million to come next summer…might be smarter to take the money and scour Europe/young talent.

  90. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Oh none of our lot have won anything in their careers?

    Sarri signed Kepa and Jorginho, drum up their fees all you like but Leno is better than Kepa and Jorginho makes Xhaka look like Vieira.

  91. Pierre

    Dissenter
    first and foremost I want a manager who will address the defence, for some inexplicable reason Emery failed to do this from day one despite Arsenal signing 5 defensive based players .

    That would be a start …..offensively we have the quality to create and score goals, we managed 73 this season despite of Emery not because of him as he was never consistent in his team selection and as I mentioned earlier , Emery hasn’t a clue how to chase a game in the closing stages .

  92. Champagne charlie

    Zaha just scored against Namibia, interested to hear any post-match words there Wilf…

    ‘just focusing on my country’ comes to mind

  93. Marko

    Oh none of our lot have won anything in their careers?

    You’re not getting it I’ll help you out. Chelsea have as a squad actually won the league title together with by and large the same squad. Arsenal haven’t won a league title in going on 15 years. Ozil won a league title like 6 or 7 years ago. Lichtsteiner was a serial winner but perhaps he’s not a good example to use if you’re trying to make out that the squad inherited isn’t that bad. Irrespective of how you feel about Kepa and Jorginho it’s still 137 million added to the squad

  94. Marko

    Ornstein just won’t drop the budget talk

    A reported 40 million bid on top of bids for Tierney and Saliba…I think we can assume that the 45 million budget stuff is hogwash at this stage

  95. DUIFG

    What’s interesting is signing zaha is a bit like saying fuck build up let’s get it to a man who can skin people. It’s all a bit basic.

    I’m not knocking zaha as I think he’s good and effective, but it worries me that he’s a sticking plaster over emery basically having no clue on how as a team we can create chances

  96. Champagne charlie

    “Irrespective of how you feel about Kepa and Jorginho it’s still 137 million added to the squad”

    Irrespective of quality the price is all that matters? Makes absolute sense.

    I don’t care if it’s £8.50 or 85 mil, what matters is what’s added, not what’s spent. If Arsenal don’t spend a shilling this window but somehow bring in better players than we lose then I’m all for it.

    Safe to assume you’d be utterly distraught tearing at your flaps because we’ve not spent 100 mil.

  97. CG

    Quite extraordinary that we have made a bid for Zaha July 1st ( mid summer) and a week after CP sold a player for £50 000 000.

    Why was not this bid made- as soon as the season finished and before CP sold anyone.?

    Palace – hold all the aces as a consequence.

    When Danny ings goes for £20 000 000 – dont think £40 000 000 for Zaha is going to quite work..

    OFFER £65,000 000 cash ( take it or leave it offer )
    And get on with your job, man

    And naive posters think Raul is a shrewd operator …. hahahaha.

    Barca could not wait to get shot of him!

    Has Edu packed ??

  98. DUIFG

    Zaha as a standalone talent is quality. His stats forget the fact to borrow an nfl term he goes into double coverage every game. People try and neutralise him to kill Palace. With us maybe that won’t be so effective

  99. Elmo

    Thank f*ck Simon Jordan no longer owns Palace. Would be too much to take having him mug us off in the press like John W Henry did with Suarez and the £40m+1.

  100. Champagne charlie

    DUIFG

    That’s it in a nutshell, these folk who are translating his goals/assists aren’t looking full picture imo. Zaha is their entire strike force, the devastation and sheer uncertainty/space he’ll create for the likes of Auba/Laca, even Ozil/Mkhi is why we want him.

    I also happen to think his raw stats will scale up surrounded with better quality, and possessing the ball more in a given match. I’ve had him as the best player outside the top 6 since Mahrez moved from Leicester. Offers loads of what we lack, I’m sold on a 50 mil offer tbh.

  101. Marko

    Irrespective of quality the price is all that matters? Makes absolute sense.

    Well that’s good to hear so the next time all that crap about 70 million spent and the defence still being wank you’ll take into account what the 70 million was spent on and the quality of individuals like Lichtsteiner, Guendouzi and Sokratis? Well that would be objective of you.

    Safe to assume you’d be utterly distraught tearing at your flaps because we’ve not spent 100 mil.

    Yeah that’s exactly right mate cause I was absolutely delighted with all the hundreds of millions Arsene pissed up the wall without addressing the keeper issue, not having a DM, our lack of pace in attack and having no wingers, our piss poor defence. I was just delighted when he spent money. Good man

  102. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Really is all a bit sad what’s going on at our club.

    Said this before sling the youths in.

    Leno
    Bel hold belik tier
    Torr
    Amn iwobi
    Nelson Auba lacs

    Bench
    Wilcox
    Medellin
    Eddie

    Be bold

  103. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Question that needs answering

    Zaha just signed a new contract.

    Why did we not make an interest earlier.

    We can’t just have decided that Zaha is the one we want…

  104. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    People

    Iwobi has said he is a central mid player.

    Amn is a mid player

    Can’t see the team that bad.

  105. MidwestGun

    So, is it possible that we’re writing off this season as an inexpensive transition moment?
    ———
    I could almost accept this if this was true… but it seems more like we are trying but struggling almightily. To me, seems like we are set up to have a huge division in ideas for plans for this tw. Most likely upper management wants to go youth and smart young buys like Saliba, Tierney and Martinelli. Where as the manager Emery most likely wants players that can make an impact right away as he is on the last year of his contract. Hence the push for Zaha and the like. That’s my explanation for the scattergun approach to this tw.. not everyone on the same page and lack of funds due to missing out on CL this season. Can Edu get this sorted?

    As a fan .. I would like a little bit of both. youth buys combined with first team starters. . but seems like without being able to raise funds from player sales.. we are destined to be disappointed hugely.
    Anyhow… you know it’s throw back banter transfer window if we offer 40Mill + 1 pound after our first bid gets rejected for Zaha.