Forget Stan. What are Sven, Raul and Vinai bringing to Arsenal in 2019?

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Well, yesterday’s post certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons. I think a lot of people felt that was mostly aimed at Emery. It wasn’t, I think the challenges we have with the club moving forward are about the whole team. A few people screamed that I’d always straight up blame Wenger for what happened on the pitch back in the day, but was affording Emery different treatment. That’s because Emery is a coach, not a demigod.

The biggest concern that all Arsenal fans should have moving into this year is the lasting impact of the Ivan Gazidis signings in the club. He’d been making face-saving decisions all over the football club because his MO was about self-preservation. Don’t rock the boat. Do enough to get you by. Go with the mainstream view of what looks good, never put your neck on the line.

The big question is this: Who will put their neck on the line to move Arsenal forward?

Think about how easy it is to take the job at Arsenal. We have a bigger turnover than Liverpool, one that is about to get bigger, without any real success to talk about. The fans still pay for the season tickets, Adidas are about to pay out a fortune on a new shirt deal, the Premier League gravy train just keeps on rolling on, and we’re doing all this without Champions League football. Incredible.

Stan has two big clubs on his books. Arsenal, arguably one the greatest brands in European football… and the LA Rams, a nothing team that moved from St. Louis. The Kroenke’s invested mega money into the American club. One of their guys is on record as saying something to the tune of ‘we knew we had to invest, because folk from LA aren’t going to pay to watch a substandard product.’

So what did they do? They hired in a bright young innovative coach to lead the team. They’ve made powerful backroom hires. They’re adding big names and excitement to their team sheet. They are making an unbelievable effort to make that team the crown jewel. It’s an absolute investment, because they know that there’s no history there like there is in North London.

Meanwhile, over here, there’s Arsenal. The MO has been keeping the trains running. He will never invest a penny of his own into taking us to the next level because there’s no benefit to him. The big question then becomes this: What is the expectation of his staff?

Will he have Raul and Vinai banging down the door for LA like investment? Or, like we’ve seen with Ivan, will it be a put up and shut up? If the person that runs the show has no desire to dominate, rewards a culture of low risk and obedience, what hope do we have?

Well, the hope goes back to what we spoke about yesterday. We need to accept that we’re tier two. We need to be grateful that at the very least, Stan allows the club to put back in what we earn. We need to try something new. The approach at the moment feels like we’re waiting for a miracle to happen, instead of making our own miracles come to fruition.

This point becomes even more important now David Ornstein confirmed the ‘we’re skint’ intel I shared 6 weeks ago.

We need to make our way back the Champions League. We’re not going to do that hiring in hacks that are past their prime. We’re not going to do that blowing huge amounts of money on players that don’t fit the mold. Again, I ask this question, if the club truly believed in Mesut Ozil, why is Unai Emery alienating him? Not that I disagree, I’ve never thought he was fit for purpose, but what was the football strategy that allowed us to get to that point?

Anyway, the thing to watch for next year is whether the new management are for real. Raul has come from the most prestigious club in the world. A nasty club. A club that does dirty things to get whatever they want. Their wage bill is hideous, almost double that of Manchester City. No wonder they dominate, they can have whoever they want. The manager is almost an irrelevance, even Enrique won the Champions League there. Raul is not a tried and true scrapper like the Dortmund CEO. He’s never had to properly hire a manager before. He hasn’t had to innovate, so what is he going to do at Arsenal to help us out think, scout and perform our much smaller resource pool?

Sven for all intents and purposes was exactly the sort of hire we wanted. In charge of ferreting out some of the roughest diamonds in world football and turning in De Beers profits. We know he has it in him to bring all the boys to the yard, but the question remains is this: What is his remit? I can get on-board with Matty G and Torriera like signings, but what is going on with Gary Cahill and Ever Banega? Are those guys kicking us onto the next level? I highly doubt it, so wouldn’t it be worth investing our limited budget in players that have room to grow like Dortmund did so well? Should we be planning for next season this January, versus making average crap shots with players that really aren’t that great?

Then there’s Vinai. Clearly a very talented man, but he’s 37 years old. He has been gifted an outrageous opp at Arsenal. It is unheard of to give someone that young so much power. But at what cost to Arsenal fans? Is he an Ivan protegé? What did he agree to land the job? Will he have the guts to move us forward, or will he be preaching self-sustaining as a football strategy for the next ten years.

Arsenal need to wake up. They need to focus on a way forward. They need to be bold. The problem statement is simple: how do Arsenal succeed with the resources on offer?

Remember the resources are MASSIVE. 3rd highest net spenders in the league (bigger net spend than Madrid since 2010). 9th largest wage bill in Europe. Growing turnover. We have a huge stadium, mostly full attendance, unreal training facilities and the backdrop of the greatest city in the world. If Atleti, Roma, Juve and Liverpool can make CL finals, so can we. No more excuses. No more mediocrity.

The answer to the problem statement cannot be the direction we’re heading right now. It’s not innovative, it’s not bearing fruit (nor will it), and it’s a very long way off being sustainable.

Happy New Year, enjoy the Fulham game. 🔴⚪️

584 Responses to “Forget Stan. What are Sven, Raul and Vinai bringing to Arsenal in 2019?”

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  1. Un na naai

    Rt

    Allow me to re reiterate

    He was a forward and he was converted by wenger to full back
    Yes it was by chance and yes wenger was going to let him go but I’m sorry if I never really fancied bergkamp in goal but I’d have been thinking about letting him go too…

  2. Freddie Ljungberg

    It is bedtime actually, have to get up and drive the kids to school in 6 hours.

    Also grow up.

    As awful as Xhaka is Cazorla was done in the PL before his injury, doubt he would have been able to keep up now, even if he can manage 60 minutes a week in Spain.

    Wilshere hasn’t been good enough for years and is broken beyond repair, out for the season already at West Ham and has been pretty shit when he did manage to play.

  3. Joe

    The last 10 years showed wengers true skill at developing

    Unless it was a WC talent who fell into his lap he had no hope of turning anyone into anything

  4. Marko

    Rafa Benitez would have us a meaner defence with the same group, and he doesn’t go to Hogwarts you dense cunt.

    Sure he’d come in he’d have us playing deeper with men behind the ball at the expense of goals and in the short term he might get us a couple more clean sheets but Mustafi is still Mustafi and Koscielny is still Koscielny and we’d still have shit error prone defensive players.

  5. Un na naai

    Joe

    Yes. The last ten years was the TRUE wenger all along.

    The previous titles everywhere he went and the famous teams and superstars he made was just a 20 year fluke.

    Glad you rumbled him though muffin man. No wonder they leave you in the kitchen….🙄

  6. Un na naai

    Joe

    Cole went 49 games unbeaten under wenger. Something no other team has ever done
    Never.

    Now is that burning muffins I smell?? Better get one of the boyzzz up to sort it. Wouldn’t want you breaking a nail

  7. Un na naai

    Cole had to leave wenger to achieve his career goals because he knew wenger was a loser

    Such a loser that he’s more successful than any manager who ever managed arsenal

    Joe if you ever need to commit suicide, climb up your ego and jump to your IQ

  8. Un na naai

    And cole left because arsenal offered him £55k pw and he wanted £60k

    Well documented. More proof how you’re a Johnny come lately know nothing
    At least learn your history before you spout off muffin man

  9. Goonah

    Un na naii

    You talk so much shit out of your bleeding arsehole it’s mind-boggling.
    I’m now convinced Wenger ramming it up without lube is the cause. And you loved it. Cunt

  10. loyika

    @ Cesc and RVP fell into our laps?

    Many we Arsenal.fans have all sorts.

    So Kolo and Henry fell into our Laps as well….Heck even Paddy V and Le Sulk?

    Bobby Pires and Freddie Lung while we are at it.

    By that account Kim Kallstrom and Park also fell into our laps. Also Santos, Park and Senderos. Fair is fair right?

    On to the game.

    Nothing to write home about. Score line flattered us in the end but a win is a win is a win and the 3 points was what mattered.

    We just need to keep winning all games leading up to the game against The Chavs.

    Its obvious we can’t keep a clean sheet and will probably let more goals than last season, so we should focus on just winning games by outscoring the opposition every chance we get.

    Going to be a bumpy 2019 final leg at the Arsenal. Strap in guys.

  11. Redtruth

    Arsenal mentally collapsed after their 49 game unbeaten run came to an end.

    How many Euro titles has Wenger won?

    In Wenger’s 22 years as manager Arsenal only competed for the title 4 times winning 3 times and coming runner up in 1999.

  12. Joe

    How many trophies did cole win during 49 winning streak.

    1.

    Huge fail by wenger. He had the best team in Europe and only one 1 trohy that season.

    No wonder cole thought he was a loser

  13. Freddie Ljungberg

    Un na naai

    You show every day on here how clueless you are about football so your opinion is worthless to me, keep up with the condescending snark though if it makes you feel like a tough guy.

    Thank fuck we’re not going after Cahill, would rather we take a punt on a cheap youngster like Calero for 11m now in january, even if he doesn’t make it as a first teamer we could still use him as backup or sell him on for a profit. Paying 4m for a short term deal for Cahill would have been insane, he’s 33 and not nearly the level we need.

  14. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Scoring goals hasn’t been our issue for more than 20 years. I like how you’re doing your utmost to protect your man Emery, Gambon was spot on that he’s found himself his own little cheerleader.

    Let’s see how many pundits and fans comment this month that it’s goals we need to score to be a top 4 threat. But yea, let’s laugh off a Benitez because he’d get clean sheets but score less goals (says you).

  15. Redtruth

    Wenger’s Arsenal finished 18 points behind Man Utd in 2000, 10 points behind Man Utd in 2001 and 12 points behind Chelsea in 2005 .
    So i ask what other season were Arsenal realistic title challengers

  16. Joe

    Wenger. 10 trophies 22 years. .45 winning %

    GG. 6 trophies 8 years . .75 winning %

    GG shits all over wenger.

    Shits. All. Over.

  17. Joe

    Chapman., GG, Allison and Whitaker are all ahead of wenger in arenal’s greatest manager’s of all time.

    Wenger would maybe be tied with Bertie Mee

  18. Redtruth

    Scoring goals has been a big issue for many a year with Arsenal.
    Arsenal through the years have scored a cluster of goals against shit teams then struggled in the big games hence the flat travk bully tag..you thick cunts.

  19. Un na naai

    Muffin man

    Zzzzzzzz

    Wenegr won titles at other clubs in other leagues in other countries

    Graham was great. Wenger was better.
    Wenger never took a team to 12th

  20. Un na naai

    Joe

    More trophies than anyone else has ever won on a 49 game unbeaten streak.
    Not bad for a loser 😂😂

  21. Goonah

    Un na naai

    Truth hurts like a bitch eeh?

    Well..as a consolation you didn’t have the dumbest comment of 2018. That goes to gambon. And he prolly has it locked in for 2019 also cause he said it again today:

    “Why did we sack Wenger?”

    priceless

  22. Joe

    Wenger took
    His team to 40 points behind league leaders.

    Loser

    GG will always be better than wenger.

    GG made wenger with his back 5.

    Wenger would have been nothing without GG.

    Un, why not cry on here some more about your bleeding asshole. Fucking baby. Whining and grovelling like a bitch.

    Stop sticking dildos up your ass while watching wenger fiddling with his zipper on the sidelines.

    Crying on a online blog about his bleeding asshole hahahaha

  23. G8

    Ozil tweeting hes desperate to regain fittness and wants to help the team..so much of Emery alienating him then..
    The bloke is a waste of time just like wilshere, Ramsey et al.

  24. Goonah

    Ozil is on 300k not 350k. thats what i’ve read on most sites anyway.
    What an abomination of a contract. Worst ever. Only rivaled by Sanchez’s 350k at manure.

  25. Dan

    In the year 2050 Arsenal fans will still be bickering over Wenger, whilst still not noticing that during Kroenke’s ownership of the club it has gone 42 years without winning the title.

    Sad but very probably the future.. I prefer to look on the bright side though – no wasting my money on over-priced tickets or s**t merchandise on a corporatation (not club) that doesn’t even bother trying.

  26. Upstate Gooner

    Seriously, this blog is comedy gold. And most of the posters are nothing more than a bunch of clowns who choose to completely ignore the facts/stats. How can anyone say that Emery inherited a poor Arsenal squad without mentioning PSG is beyond me. Maybe we weren’t all that but you do realize that Ligue 1 has been a one horse race for a number of years now, right? Yet he managed to lose the title to Monaco in his first season. Succumbed to the most ridiculous CL defeat that I have ever seen after winning the first leg 4-0. Some mention his “heroics” in La Liga. That he took Valencia to new heights. No, he didn’t. Rafa did by winning 2 titles. Emery was, and always will be a mid table team manager occasionally able of pulling a decent result, like at Seville. Truth of a matter is that Arsenal wasn’t all that bad as people claimed it to be when Emery stepped in, it’s just that he hasn’t made it any better that is rubbing a lot of people off, including myself. Personally, I do not trust the guy with taking us to the next level and I certainly wouldn’t give him any more money unless he delivers CL next year. The guy is a fraud, and how so many are defending him is quite baffling.

  27. Champagne charlie

    “The guy is a fraud, and how so many are defending him is quite baffling.“

    Emery is getting defended to such lengths for one simple reason. There’s a cult division among the fan base, according to some, and the stuff some people say will never be taken at face value because they’re former “AKBs”.

    It’s literally the same people defending the criticisms in spite of the various types of posters who’ve all raised concern at our lack of progress.

  28. azed

    Upstate

    So why didn’t Rafa win the title with Real Madrid? Why is he top 10 in the EPL?
    Sean Dyche finished 7th with Burnley, David Moyes finished 4th with Everton, Raneiri won the league with Leicester something Rafa hasn’t done even after managing Chelsea and Liverpool.

    Going by your logic, Raneiri must be a better manager than Rafa.

    Oh by the way Zindane won 3 Champions League back to back something Pep hasn’t done despite having the greatest football ever in Messi and the awesome Iniesta and Xavi.

    Zidane must be the greatest ever manage.

  29. WengerEagle

    Monaco team with M’Bappe, Bernardo Silva, Falcao, Fabinho, Mendy, Lemar, Moutinho, etc.

    Also was pre Neymar so not really fair game to make out as if he lost with this current PSG juggernaut.

    Do agree with you in that I’m struggling to see much improvement at all that Emery has made in the first half year, has us winning a few more matches and looking better away from home but we look as bad if not even worse defensively than we did last season, we’re also not really faring any better in the big matches considering we have dropped points at home to Citeh/Liverpool, lost on the road to Chelsea/Liverpool battered on the latter case and dropped points at OT. We beat Spurs convincingly but even AW mostly ensured that we did that.

    5 points out of a possible 18 vs other top 6 sides, is that better than under AW?

    He needs more time but the early signs aren’t exactly hugely encouraging that we are moving in the right direction.

  30. Champagne charlie

    “Well..as a consolation you didn’t have the dumbest comment of 2018. That goes to gambon. And he prolly has it locked in for 2019 also cause he said it again today:“Why did we sack Wenger?” priceless”

    Only priceless part is how you, and whoever else, haven’t understood the context/implication of that question. You cant even run the usual crap about him being an AKB, it’s Gambon lol the cunt has been Wenger out as long as anyone on here.

  31. azed

    WengerEagle

    For Pierre and Upstate, facts don’t matter.
    To them, Rafa is a better manager than Emery but ask why he’s team is 15th and Emery’s 5th.

  32. G8

    No bodys defending Emery ad nauseam like the wengers loylists have done for the last 12 years..
    Think the narrative here is that he deserves more than 4 months and one transfer window..
    That’s it really, simple, no fuss, no agenda, if there is no improvement by this time next year i am sure we will all call for his head.

  33. azed

    For those that say players don’t matter, can you guys point to any of our defenders that would start or make the squad for any other team in the top six?

    Can you guys point to any of our midfielders that would also make the squad of the other top 6 teams?

    Even the best part of our team the strikers would probably only start at Chelsea and UTD

  34. WengerEagle

    azed

    Rafa has Soloman Rondon as a first choice CF, guy isn’t even capable of double figures. Emery has Aubameyang and Lacazette…

    Quality wise we’re so far above Newcastle that it’s barely believable that you can bag on Rafa for not having them up thereabouts with us.

    Whether Rafa can still cut it at the top given the right players at his disposal is another question entirely.

    We can’t keep a clean sheet to save our life, no doubt about it that Emery doesn’t seem to know his ring from his elbow about setting up a team defensively which is 50pc of the game.

  35. Marko

    Let’s see how many pundits and fans comment this month that it’s goals we need to score to be a top 4 threat. But yea, let’s laugh off a Benitez because he’d get clean sheets but score less goals (says you).

    It stands to reason that the only way a Benitez would get a better output from this mess of a defensive group would be if we defended deep with men behind the ball yes? And if you don’t think that’d affect our attacking performance well then you’re a fool. Truth is though as bad as Benitez is at demanding investment at Newcastle he’d be worse at Arsenal such is the state of the defence. Newcastle with a -12 goal difference… surely not

  36. azed

    WE
    Quality wise we’re so far above Newcastle that it’s barely believable that you can bag on Rafa for not having them up thereabouts with us.

    You can also say the same thing about our squad as compared to the other top 6. We are on course to concede about 53 goals, Well Liverpools team conceded 48 in Klopps first full season in charge( They conceded 50 the season before but Klopp didn’t start that season so we won’t count that).

    Do you think Klopp or Pep would be leading the league with this our squad?

  37. Champagne charlie

    “For Pierre and Upstate, facts don’t matter. To them, Rafa is a better manager than Emery but ask why he’s team is 15th and Emery’s 5th.“

    Pretty sure it’s me that’s talked up Benitez. Seems like Logic doesn’t matter to you based on this though. If facts are right up your street what’s your take on the following?

    Emery:
    Europa League x3
    Ligue un x1
    French cups x4

    Win percentage at prominent clubs: Valencia 48.6%, Sevilla 51.7%, PSG 76.3%

    Benitez:
    Champions League x1
    Europa League x2
    La Liga x2
    Championship x1
    English cups x1
    Italian cups x1

    Win percentage at prominent clubs: Liverpool 55.4%, Chelsea 58.3%, Napoli 52.7%, Newcastle 42.4%

  38. Marko

    Funny thing is if was Benitez in the summer and he was sitting here in the same situation as Emery he’d still need more time than 6 months and a single transfer window and you’d still have others pining for Wenger, pining for Arteta (or whoever) and you’d still have gambon acting like a hysterical woman. It’s just cunting Arsenal fans for you

  39. azed

    Upstate, Pierre, Un

    In the 2016-2017 season, Man Utd conceded the second fewest goals in the league with 29 but they finished 6th. City on the other hand conceded 39 but finished 3rd.

    Which team had the better season?

  40. Joe

    Un

    How many league titles did wenger win going unbeaten.

    How many did GG win the season he only lost 1.

    1 each.

    Don’t get any more titles doing undefeated.

  41. Goonah

    CC

    I’ll say 100% wanted Wenger out and a change.
    If you disagree I can change it to 99%

    The funny thing about gambon’s comment was he claimed he was the only one that wanted Emery. 6 months later he want him sacked cos we still as poor defensively even thou Emery has always been a 5-4 coach. He didn’t know that but still wanted him????
    Is Emery the answer? Will he take us to the next level? No. Probably not. Most acknowledge this. We would be happy with either Allegri, Jardim, Nagelsmann or even Arteta just to get a change to stop the decline. I’ll give Emery his 2 years before we sign the next level coach.

  42. Champagne charlie

    “And if you don’t think that’d affect our attacking performance well then you’re a fool.”

    There’s a thing called balance. Have a glance at the top of the league and see Liverpool with a devastating attack and only a handful conceded. Why aren’t they conceding loads with their attacking philosophy? Almost like they’re well versed on both sides of the game. Same with Pep’s lot.

    “Truth is though as bad as Benitez is at demanding investment at Newcastle he’d be worse at Arsenal”

    This shows you up massively. Benitez is revered by the Newcastle fans, its Ashley who’s the issue at that club and you want to paint a pretend picture that Benitez is simply too meek to get money out of him? Lol comically ignorant. He’s won the championship and then finished top half with an embarrassingly average squad of players. That’s proper management.

    “Funny thing is if was Benitez in the summer and he was sitting here in the same situation as Emery he’d still need more time than 6 months and a single transfer window”

    Simply not true. If Benitez was delivering this he’d be getting the same criticism because that’s what being objective and judging the situation is. You’re invested in the manager only so naturally your bias takes over as all have witnessed.

  43. Champagne charlie

    “CC sry but how can you put prominent club and Newcastle in same sentence?“

    Prominent meaning they spent enough time there, and can be judged on the merits of their work via that time. When considering Benitez do you simply ignore everything he’s done at Newcastle the last few years? That’d be odd.

    Goonah
    I don’t get your point exactly. Gambon himself has stated he was wrong to suggest Emery was the man for the job, he’s not doing what too many do on here and stick desperately to their POV in the face of ‘evidence’ to the contrary. (Yes i understand some can disagree about there being evidence).

    Emery also came on board and stated he wanted to redress the balance he felt we didn’t have in the team, don’t you recall? He said Wengers sides were often too attacking and he wanted to change this. 6 months later and he’s not delivered even a sign that he’s capable of doing that. So its unfair to raise concern? I don’t think so. I don’t agree with wanting him out now etc, but he’s got a hell of a second half of the season to deliver for me to get excited for next season. Which isn’t where I pictured us looking back at this summer.

  44. azed

    If facts are right up your street what’s your take on the following?

    Emery
    Paris Saint-Germain 2,42
    Valencia 1,72

    Benitez
    Madrid 2,24
    Valencia 1,89

    Very similar managers.

  45. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Second half of season

    Throw the youth in
    Melody
    Smith Rowe
    Wilcox
    Eddie
    Maitland niles

    At least 4 should bedded into the team pdq

  46. Champagne charlie

    Azed

    You think they’re very similar now? Personally I think Emery’s CV has been boosted (in terms of trophies) by his spell at PSG and Rafa has a track record that betters his.

    Emery beat Rafa on image if you ask me, the facade of young and fresh vs ex-Liverpool and Chelsea. Understandable in some sense, but not the savvy leadership Arsenal need over the next few seasons so there’s genuine concern there on my part.

  47. Marko

    There’s a thing called balance. Have a glance at the top of the league and see Liverpool with a devastating attack and only a handful conceded. Why aren’t they conceding loads with their attacking philosophy? Almost like they’re well versed on both sides of the game. Same with Pep’s lot.

    Wonderful you should say that because Liverpool didn’t have much balance until they signed up a top class CB and Pep wasn’t having much balance the first season but sure enough with enough time and squad investment he found a good balance to his squad. But you want 6 months and a 15 million CB and a back up RB to address the defensive problems we have?

    its Ashley who’s the issue at that club and you want to paint a pretend picture that Benitez is simply too meek to get money out of him? Lol comically ignorant

    That’s you putting words into my mouth the picture I’m painting is one where Benitez not happy with the Newcastle squad is seeking investment to address the squad and if he was here he’d be doing the exact same thing

    Simply not true. If Benitez was delivering this he’d be getting the same criticism because that’s what being objective and judging the situation is. You’re invested in the manager only so naturally your bias takes over as all have witnessed.

    This last paragraph is ridiculous especially coming from a cunt like you. You’re the most naturally biased prick around here you think you’re being fair and reasonable but half of the time you’re keeping up with some fake values shite you picked up under Arsene. For a total dickhead like you to complain about the defence/our performances in big games/the general direction of the club now is an ridiculous considering you rarely if ever spoke up during these same issues under Wenger. You got into argument after argument made excuse after excuse for these same problems under Wenger. Oh and you of course you were more than happy to give HIM time. Funny how that is. But of course your criticism is fair and objective.

  48. azed

    There’s a thing called balance. Have a glance at the top of the league and see Liverpool with a devastating attack and only a handful conceded. Why aren’t they conceding loads with their attacking philosophy? Almost like they’re well versed on both sides of the game. Same with Pep’s lot.

    Klopp conceded 48 goals in his first full season in charge. If we were to count the season he took over from Rodgers, Liverpool conceded 50.

    Klopp right now can have balance because he spent 54M on Allison after buying Karius. He also spent 75M on VVD after bring in Matip and Klavan. The reason why they are top of the table right now is because he had time to build his team.

    How do you find balance in a team when your only winger is Iwobi? Who would provide with on the field if not the full backs?
    Klopp has Henderson, Keita, Georgio, Milner, Fabinho as CM/DM, Emery has Torriera, Guendozi, Elneny, Xhaka as his.

  49. Marko

    Emery beat Rafa on image if you ask me, the facade of young and fresh vs ex-Liverpool and Chelsea. Understandable in some sense, but not the savvy leadership Arsenal need over the next few seasons so there’s genuine concern there on my part.

    Very strange you’d say that considering during the appointment process you made a case for Arteta over other candidates because he was unknown and exciting (could never explain the exciting part) but now it’s savvy/experience that’s needed over the next few years. Is it possible you don’t know what you’re talking about and can change your mind given the particular argument you’re in at the time? There’s always an argument

  50. azed

    CC

    There’s a reason why I put the Valencia points per match in there. I am not even counting trophies because if we were to judge solely on trophies, then Pochettino would be a very poor manager.

    They are similar in the sense that they are both flawed managers who find it hard to find a balance. Rafa thinks defence first while Emery thinks Attack first.

    Nobody thinks Emery is the saviour but do you honestly think a Klopp can play his kind of football with the players we have? Same thing with Pep?

    Our squad is fundamentally unbalanced and until that balance is corrected, you can’t really judge Emery.

    In Klopp’s first full season in charge, Liverpool conceded 48, we are on course for 56. Klopp already had 2/3rd of a season to learn and build his squad yet he’s team conceded 48. You can’t in one breath say Klopp is a good manager or would take Arsenal to the next level and say Emery is bad based on this simple fact.

  51. Pierre

    Here is an interesting stat regarding Lacazette….make of it what you will ..

    Arsenal have lost 5 games this season and Lacazette has not been a starter in any of them .

    Lacazette has started 14 games and the teams record with him starting is

    Won 10
    Drawn 4
    Lost 0

    Lacazette has not started in 16 games and the teams record with him not in the starting line up is

    Won. 9
    Drawn. 2
    Lost 5

    With Lacazette starting

    Goals for 31
    Goals against 12

    13 out of the 14 games that Lacazette has started were league games.
    1 out of the 14 games that Lacazette started was a Europa league game.

    Without Lacazette starting

    Goals for 32
    Goals against 25

    7 out of the 16 games that Lacazette has not started were league games .
    9 out of the games that Lacazette has not started were Europa league and league cup games, in other words easier games .

    One of the questions that needs to be answered is why does Emery leave Lacazette out of the team when we are playing the bigger sides in the league…does he not trust him…

  52. Champagne charlie

    Wonderful you should say that because Liverpool didn’t have much balance until they signed up a top class CB and Pep wasn’t having much balance the first season but sure enough with enough time and squad investment he found a good balance to his squad. “

    You’re so utterly predictable in your response, I was even going to preempt it so you would finally stay on track but didn’t bother. Don’t deflect from what you were quizzed on, how can Liverpool be both an attacking side and good defensively when you’re here stating if Benitez was in charge we might be a better defence, but we’d not be as good in attack.

    You’re not imparting any unknown wisdoms to state over and over that better players help a team improve. But you seem stuck on that record. Answer the above given your absolute statement about Benitez.

    “For a total dickhead like you to complain about the defence/our performances in big games/the general direction of the club now is an ridiculous considering you rarely if ever spoke up during these same issues under Wenger”

    I always commented on these topics, and always lambasted Stan for the leadership. I also cursed the pathetic and meek step into a new era this past summer with the paltry budget put aside for an overhaul. It’s simply you, and one or two others, that continue to profess utter rubbish in attempts to discredit. It’s not missed by most however. Again with the apparent “excuses” (none of which you’ve ever divulged, if there so many it’s hilarious you never have one at hand).

    “Very strange you’d say that considering during the appointment process you made a case for Arteta over other candidates because he was unknown and exciting (could never explain the exciting part) but now it’s savvy/experience that’s needed”

    I didn’t make a case BECAUSE he was unknown and exciting, that’s you being dim or malevolent as per. I made a case that i’d sooner the club went for a guy with the potential ceiling of lifting the premier league trophy – which is the apparent potential Arteta – than a stop gap. I also said if it was a stop-gap-type then i’d much prefer a coach that can deliver an antidote to our total lack of organisation. So as ever, it’s Marko doing his level best to narrate on behalf of someone else and conspire to then argue his own asssertions. Odd little cunt hair you are.

  53. Thomas

    @Pierre

    Such stats are so misleading. Which teams did we play when we lost those games? Which were the other players in the team in those losses?

  54. Marko

    Don’t deflect from what you were quizzed on, how can Liverpool be both an attacking side and good defensively when you’re here stating if Benitez was in charge we might be a better defence, but we’d not be as good in attack.

    They can because they have good players in attack and defence. If Benitez was in charge here now he wouldn’t have good players in defence.

    Also if you want an example of an Arsene excuse you made how about signing Gervinho over Hazard. The excuse that we didn’t because Gervinho was as highly rated and we needed to spend money addressing other areas of the squad (we didn’t). Oh you’ve also argued that he had a great eye for talent but when he gets criticized for missing out on the signing of VVD you say that it’s not his fault it’s Steve Rowley’s even though he signed off on who comes in and who doesn’t and ultimately it’s down to him. There’s many more it’s nothing new with you. You’ve been in constant arguments over the years with people who have the audacity to criticize Arsene Wenger. It’s cute really

  55. Champagne charlie

    “Arsene excuse you made how about signing Gervinho over Hazard. The excuse that we didn’t because Gervinho was as highly rated and we needed to spend money addressing other areas of the squad (we didn’t).“

    You always make this comparison, but Gervinho moved in 2011 and Hazard 2012. It wasn’t a case of Arsenal picking one over the other in quite the way you predictably lay out. The year Hazard went to Chelsea they spent 85 mil net and we spent 8.

    We also bought Giroud, Podolski, Cazorla, then Monreal in Jan, i’m assuming your idea is that we say fuck it to the 2 new strikers, attacking midfielder, and left back (45mil combined) for a 32 mil winger who may or may not turn into a world beater?

    Wenger has a track record as good as any manager over the years for talent, you sit in the hate camp so only like to worry about his shit picks. They all have plenty of those if they’be been in the game more than 2 minutes, can rattle off two dozen whoppers that Fergie gave the nod to. The VVD article was literally a quote from John Collins who said ‘Wenger fancied him but Rowley didn’t’, it’s not anecdotal rubbish from me – that’s your gig.

    These are examples of excuses apparently, can chalk this up to another Markoism. Is English your first language?

  56. Marko

    Yeah you see all that one big excuse. The summer we bought Gervinho we had our pick between him and Hazard and picked Gervinho. We spent 58 million though it’s worth pointing out that we only spent that much as a result of the 8-2 mauling by United and the following summer Hazard left for 35 million. Also what the fuck does Chelsea’s net spend in 2012 have to do with our ability to spend 30-35 million on Hazard in 2011? Worth keeping in mind that our net was so low because we were selling all our best players.

    i’m assuming your idea is that we say fuck it to the 2 new strikers, attacking midfielder, and left back (45mil combined) for a 32 mil winger who may or may not turn into a world beater?

    No I’m saying the summer we should have signed Hazard we instead wasted 58 million on Gervinho, Oxlade Chamberlain and Arteta, Mertesacker, Park and Andre Santos but only after we got tanked by United. The argument we couldn’t afford it is ridiculous. The argument that we didn’t because we wanted to strengthen in other areas is ridiculous because we only brought in Park, Santos, Merte and Arteta after the humiliating 8-2 he was forced into the transfer market (clueless manager) and it’s made all the more ridiculous when you consider we couldn’t get rid of Gervinho and Santos fast enough and how bad the Park signing was. Mertesacker and Arteta were typical poor signings too if we’re honest.

    Wenger has a track record as good as any manager over the years for talent,

    Are you sure though? Sure it’s not Rowley or are we only mentioning him when an obvious transfer gets away from us. VVD was an obvious one we’d been linked with him and Wanyama at Celtic for months prior to not signing any outfield player in 2015

  57. Carts

    First game back at the emirates for me after a self imposed exile.

    Nothing to right home about, as most of you already know. However, if Sessegnon, who’s looked a shadow of his Championship scoring exploits-self put those two chances away then thing may we’ll have been different this afternoon. Fair play to Rangers for not further smashing his confidence by dragging him off during anytime.

    As for Arsenal, you really expect us to be beating the relegated elect, Fulham. What’s worrying for me was Fulham’s ability to break. From where I was seated, I thought our shape, for the most parts, looked good. But we somehow leave bizarre gaps between, say, Guen and Xhaka (who I thought was going to get dragged off at half time of not for his goal and suspected Mustafi fitness issues)

    Another thing that bothers me is the sense that we don’t have any real captain on the pitch. No one seems to be taking control out there. A few times you’d had emery on the touch line literally orchestrating the play.

    But there’s still lots of work to do – defensively, especially.

  58. Marko

    Excuse seek to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offence); try to justify.

    Yeah sounds about right. But not you Charles your unbiased objective and fair in your output. Just take away the lipstick and you see an honest man

  59. Pierre

    Marko
    A very interesting article from Arsenal truth which is basically exonerating kronke from any fault in allowing the wage bill to spiral out of control.

    I would have thought that the one person who should take the majority of the blame is kronke as he is the one person who could have vetoed these contracts.

    But what do I know….

  60. izzo

    I haven’t posted for a while but it’s amusing seeing the usual suspects bickering. My only problem with Emery is his insistence on sticking with Wenger’s players thinking he could improve them. I am of the belief that they all suck and should be shipped out so I can better gauge what Emery is trying to do. This has not been the case and the club is just not acting aggressively in the transfer market which is disappointing. Honestly by summer I expect a brand new starting 11 which only includes Torriera and maybe Leno and Guendouzi. Otherwise I’ll be ready to call for his departure. We needed an aggressive restart and I’m not totally on board with this season’s carry on. After Wenger I have no patience watching the same players he had roll out week in week out thinking they will miraculously become better. I’m not stupid. But Emery is stupid if he and the club thinks they can persist with them.

  61. Marko

    Not a lot Pierre. He’s a hands off owner who barely ever gets over to the club. Basically left to Wenger and Gazidis to fuck things up. You think hairpiece Stan Kroenke knows anything about the talent of Mesut Ozil? Or what he should be paid? I doubt he knows what Aaron Donald of the Rams is getting paid. And why would he

  62. Dissenter

    In essence, even if we had money for transfers, we wouldn’t have the wriggle room for wages within the existing rules.
    What was Gazidis thinking?
    It’s no wonder he packed his bags and made for the exit.

  63. Pierre

    So you are basically saying that if wenger or Gazidis wanted to pay every player a million a week they could have done without any input from kronke.

    Strange way to run a business I have to say .

  64. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    So apply your razor sharp logic to the summer we got Gervinho, after the 8-2 defeat to United we simply needed to go buy Hazard (assuming he would’ve been sold that summer) for circa 32 mil and we’d have been set for the season? When it comes to missing points you’re all the way at the top of the tree.

    I know you love to dismiss reality in favour of your warped take on it, but we brought in 5 bodies through necessity. You’d sooner laugh that off for 1 guy who turned out to be marvellous. Then again it’s not in keeping with Arsenal as a financial model (whether agreeing with it or not). That’s you in a nutshell, ignorant.

    Marko, the guy that wants loads of new top tier players but in the same thread exonerates Kroenke for not investing. How you never slid down the inseam i’ll never know.

  65. Pierre

    With regard to today’s match, there were many good points and quite a few not so good.

    Kolasinac has shown this season that as a wing back ,he is lethal ,has a great cut back and importantly, times his runs to perfection .

    Xhaka and Iwobi were a bit of a mixed bag today …parts of their play were exquisite and parts were very sloppy …Guendouzi had a very effective game today.

    Kosielny looked physically stronger today which is a good sign.

    Our forward play was much more positive than in recent weeks ,we always looked dangerous going forward ..

    I think that all that needs to be said about our defending has been said ..
    The team seem to play like headless chickens at times ..lots of running ,lots of energy with no real purpose.

    Some well worked goals today,mainly instigated by Kolasinac….Ramsey took his goal well ,made it look easier than it was.

  66. Marko

    So you are basically saying that if wenger or Gazidis wanted to pay every player a million a week they could have done without any input from kronke.

    Left to them yes. Because he defers those decisions because he’s not a football guy he’s an owner simply put. To the best of my knowledge I’m not even sure he likes any of the sports that he owns teams in. Saw him at a Rams game stuffing a hotdog down his throat before but I couldn’t tell you if he was that interested in the actual game

  67. Marko

    So apply your razor sharp logic to the summer we got Gervinho, after the 8-2 defeat to United we simply needed to go buy Hazard (assuming he would’ve been sold that summer) for circa 32 mil and we’d have been set for the season? When it comes to missing points you’re all the way at the top of the tree.

    No you thick fuck had we signed him over Gervinho we would have a better player and that’s it. The other signings don’t come into it because they weren’t planned old dumbshit Arsene had no plan that summer (shocking I know) and only went on a dash in the bargain basement after the humiliating 8-2 defeat to United. Truth is had United had an off day and we somehow drew that game or even just lost by a goal or two he probably would have done nothing but he was embarrassed (not for the first time) and pressured into making some poor signings (thanks Steve Rowley).

    Then again it’s not in keeping with Arsenal as a financial model (whether agreeing with it or not). That’s you in a nutshell, ignorant.

    Sure that’s true enough. During that time we were selling our best players and replacing them with poorer players or at times no one really. I must say though you making a case for that truly appalling summer window really does show you up as a horrible prick. Defending the indefensible…man that’s some crush you got on him Charles

    the guy that wants loads of new top tier players but in the same thread exonerates Kroenke for not investing.

    How have I exonerated him? He ended up paying the excessive wages. He did it. It was on Wenger and Gazidis for spending the money poorly. Arsene on the players and Gazidis on the wages

  68. englandsbest

    God bless you, Pedro, not a word against Emery. Those who fall for the primitive gut reaction of laying all, or most, of the blame on the manager are ill-informed, out-of-date, irrelevant.

    You ask what hope do we have, by which you mean, of the Club returning to the elite, and you list all the positives – the huge revenue, the fabulous history, the vast fan-base, etc. The gist is that we have every hope. How can a Club with all that potential fail to reach the top?

    And then you point out why maybe we won’t – how good is Sven, Raul, Vinai? And you are right, Arsenal will never under the present circumstances return to the elite. But for an entirely different reason, one that you gave earlier in your piece. The owner doesn’t give a damn about Arsenal. He would rather throw his money away on LA Rams.

    You question his common-sense. He doesn’t have any. If he did, he would know that LA people are far too sophisticated to be taken in by him.

    The way Kroenke has dealt with Arsenal is plain stupid. What man with a grain of sense would have left a doddery has-been in charge those last few years. How many millions were thrown away on ludicrous signings and even crazier salaries?

    Even dafter was his bottom-line policy. How many times did the Club miss out on titles and trophies for want of a decent GK and CB? A few million would have been enough, and winning would have brought in far more.

    The bottom-line policy was/is Kroenke’s way of not investing money in the Club. Meanwhile he loaded the Stadium debt on the Club, and beyond a doubt he will load the money borrowed to buy out Usmanov on the Club.

    We should not be surprised. When a great Club declines, the cause almost invariably turns out to be a bad owner.

  69. Dan

    englandsbest, precisely, yet people for some bizzare reason feel the need to defend him?, it would be funny if it was another club, like SPURS for example.

    I think it all stems back to naive fans buying the whole “Arsenal way” self-sustaining policy sh*t that Ivan spun us, deep down they think that it is more important than a competitive Arsenal FC, either that or they actually think the club can somehow be successful inspite of wiggy – which is even more naive!.

    The minute he got hold of all the shares the club was done. There is no way back from this, no 2, 3, 5 years and Emery builds a title winning team, a 4th place contendor at best, and that will be hardwork on a shoestring budget.

    We are now firmly confined to “Everton territory”.

    All Wenger’s fault of course….

  70. Pierre

    I know Aubamayang is not everyone’s cup of tea but I think he is quality ..

    Yes he missed a few today but his movement in and around the box is up there with the best …
    There is nothing wrong with him playing out wide as the timing of his runs make him very difficult to pick up ..
    I just hope Emery sticks with Aubamayang and Lacazette and one of two others up top .

    It’s becoming more and more obvious that it will be a case of Arsenal needing to score at least 3 goals to win a game …. The fans may as well forget about wanting a solid ,compact team …..it ain’t gonna happen under Emery ..that was obvious after the first 2 weeks of the season and nothing has happened to make me change my mind.

    All we need now is our new manager on the touchline having trouble with his zip on his coat and we will be back to where we was 12 months ago …we’ve already had the kicking of the water bottle .

  71. kc

    Favorite game moment yesterday was when Emery took a off Lacazette to a chorus of boos from the shit plastic fans. Then the sub Ramsey scores 3 minutes later. There’s a reason he’s the manager and you’re all a bunch of fanboys. Hilarious. The dumbest people in the world are idiots that think they’re smart.

  72. Negation

    Favorite game moment yesterday was when Emery took a off Lacazette to a chorus of boos from the shit plastic fans. Then the sub Ramsey scores 3 minutes later. There’s a reason he’s the manager and you’re all a bunch of fanboys. Hilarious. The dumbest people in the world are idiots that think they’re smart.

    Exactly, kc.

  73. Joe

    It’s becoming more and more obvious that it will be a case of Arsenal needing to score at least 3 goals to win a game

    Pierre

    We only needed 2 to win today. But please tell us more of your wonderful insightful logic about the arsenal.

  74. Joe

    Favorite game moment yesterday was when Emery took a off Lacazette to a chorus of boos from the shit plastic fans. Then the sub Ramsey scores 3 minutes later. There’s a reason he’s the manager and you’re all a bunch of fanboys. Hilarious. The dumbest people in the world are idiots that think they’re smart.

    But but but KC. Pierre knows all! More than emery.

    And laca really seemed bothered as he came to celebrate with aubu

  75. gonsterous

    funny how people defend henry at monaco, saying he was left a shit squad or dealt a poor hand, but absolutely bashing emery for having the same.
    Some of you need to take a break from arsenal for at least a month.

  76. TheBayingMob

    If K is sending emails around asking the tea lady to buy Tesco own brand instead of PG Tips then we are a 2nd tier club that is never coming back …

  77. China1

    My net went down so I missed the first part of the second half, including our second goal and Fulham’s as well

    But I was really annoyed with that first half performance

    Auba has insanely good movement and instincts in the box but his finishing is so hit and miss. He is a world beater half the time and a fox in the box welbeck the next. He’s missed so many tap ins this season and still has this many goals. I dunno what to make of it lol

    The first 25 mins yesterday were pretty disgraceful. I bet Leno had more touches of the ball and had possession longer than any other player in the first 20 mins.

    I get the playing out from the back thing and he is actually good at it, but we weren’t even playing out. We were just going backwards gormlessly even when forward passes were on. We weren’t playing against Liverpool and trying to lure in some genius sucker punch move by drawing out their high press and bypassing it. It was just gormless. Nobody knew what they were doing or why so they just went back to him time and again.

    One time Leno was on the ball for like 15 fucking seconds. If I didn’t know better I’d have thought t was time wasting. I was gobsmacked at how we would be looking tonour keeper as our main creative outlet at home to the worst Fulham side in decades. Mind boggling really.

    Xhaka had a good run for his goal and a nice cute header in the box, but was otherwise disgracefully poor.

    There were a couple of positives outside of the result come the end, but deary me that first half was not good enough. Not even close.

  78. China1

    On a side note, I’m not really sure how good AMN is, but if he can become solid defensively, we should try and sell Bellerin for big bucks in the summer.

    If AMN isn’t up to it then nvm, but at least Bellerin is a high value player but his performances are less than elite, so if we do manage to find an in-house or cheap replacement like this then we should cash in and invest the money elsewhere

  79. Pierre

    Negation and kc
    “Favorite game moment yesterday was when Emery took a off Lacazette to a chorus of boos from the shit plastic fans. Then the sub Ramsey scores 3 minutes later. There’s a reason he’s the manager and you’re all a bunch of fanboys. Hilarious. The dumbest people in the world are idiots that think they’re smart.Exactly, kc.”

    let’s be honest here , whoever we brought on or took off made no difference as at that stage of the game we were making chances with ease and Fulham were all over the place.

    Some may think that Lacazette was taken off as he may have walked away with a hattrick and then that would leave the manager in a very difficult situation when he wanted to bench him in our next game.

    the Lacazette situation needs to be handled very delicately by the manager, he is a crowd favourite and the team play better and win more matches with him in the side… If he keeps messing him about and we drop points then the Emirates crowd will turn on the manager as was obvious from their reaction yesterday.

  80. Mysticleaves

    Lol. DM and banks be anticipating a new post right now 😂😂😂😂

    No trophy race by 9 today guys. Come on back here.

    Happy New year le grove

  81. Graham62

    It must so difficult for Emery. The players, the owner, the board, the systems, the infrastructure and the general apathy and bewilderment on the terraces. He must be dreaming of the sun, simplicity and passion of Sevilla right now.

    Every aspect of his daily routine being scrutinized and questioned. How is Ozil? What about Ramsey? Why remove Lacazette? Who? What? Where? When? Jesus, how the fudge did Wenger manage for so long? He must have been a fudging genius.

    How come he not feel the strain and the pressure of such a monumental role? How did he not crumble under the pressure? And yet, I ask myself, IF there wasn’t the funds, why didn’t he question? IF players were failing him, why didn’t he act? IF the owner and board were ineffective, why didn’t he bring them to task? All those years of accepting mediocrity, didn’t it concern him? Didn’t it frustrate and embarrass him? Surely any sain and concerned human being would have shown humility and rational thinking and would would have put the future progress of the club first? SURELY??

    Yes it is a brand new year and we all look forward to better times but let us not forget how we got here and why Mr Emery is starting to show signs of anger and frustration and consequently, starting to make mistakes. If he tries to do what Mr Wenger did he will not succeed. Of course he won’t. The reason is simple. The fans won’t let him.

    Get it?

    Happy New Year to you all and in particular, to Mr Emery.

  82. Graham62

    Something doesn’t add up with Emery’s handling of Lacazette.

    Not only is he as Pierre puts it “a crowd favourite” he is also an exceptionally effective and influential player.

    Input anyone?

  83. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    Reviewing the first half of this season there is one overwhelming conclusion, which cannot be avoided and that is that Arsenal’s defence is appalling and the recent recruitment has not made a material difference.

    Sofar we have conceded more goals this season than we managed to do at the
    same point last season.

    Also whilst there has been a marginal improvement in results in away games
    earlier in the season that trend has been reversed recently. Once again we are
    struggling away from home.

    Okay part of the problem is that we continue to have players out with injuries.
    Apparently Mustafi had a relapse. The simple truth is that we have got too many injury prone players on our books in this department.

    Another issue for me is that we have two wing backs in Bellerin and Kolasinac
    who are not bad going forward but defensively weak. The obvious conclusion
    is that we need to play either with three solid centre backs or play only one
    wing back and operate on other flank with a more defensive full-back.

    When you play with two attack minded wingbacks the outcome is that our
    defence is always exposed on flanks as we saw against Liverpool.

    Some decisions need to be made whether in January or June. My view is that
    the club needs to offload Lichsteiner, Monreal and Koscielny. The first two is
    a simple decision, because their contracts end this summer. The latter has one
    additional season, but should also be offered release to return to France. Jenkinson should also be offloaded.

    My view is that Arsenal should buy at least one centre back and a solid left
    back. Maitland-Niles should act as squad right wing back to backup Bellerin.

    Another departure should be Steve Bould. Personally I don’t understand why we kept him on the books. I assume that he is responsible for the defensive side of team and as I have suggested I see no material improvement under his watch.

  84. Pierre

    Graham
    As I see it , besides getting the players to work harder , Emery has not changed much on the pitch ,and there lies the problem.

    What we are seeing this season is what we have seen for the last ten seasons…surely you can see that .

    Emery ,I agree, is in a very dIfficult situation …you get the feeling that there is going to be a distinct lack of patience within the Emirates crowd…
    To be honest ,I feel sorry for the younger players coming in …for players like Guendouzi,iwobi,AMN ,bellerin Saka ,Smith rowe to succeed ,they need the support of the fans or they will lose confidence very quickly.

    Guendouzi looks fine ,just gets on with the game ,will be a great asset to the club..
    Bellerin has battled through a rough patch and is now an important player.
    Iwobi is a bit of an enigma…some of his touches yesterday were superb and then he lets himself down ….he could go one way or the other ,same with AMN.

    Personally,I would love to see some of the academy players drafted into the league games …difficult for the manager to do as results are important but now may be the time to test them out .

    I feel the fans will be much more forgiving if he tries something different and results don’t go our way.

  85. useroz

    Emery is in a job not v different from senior positions in large orgs/ MNCs, in terms of accountability in financials, people, process, improvements, competitors, regulator (eg FA), customers, sponsors / business partners, and media.

    Yep, lots of pressure and all. But Emery has 6 million reasons to stay cool.

    If Emery believes in the WB play, we may not see winger(s) coming in, now that he has Iwobi and AMN / Bellerin.

    Some brought up time anf again our performance misalignment with the wage level. Please recall who racks up those wages, and whether Emery has reaosnable opportunity to rejig the mix ie reduce it or keep it but with new players with better value?

    Apply the wage level of the 5 new recruits to rest of the squad, am quite sure it’d no longer be 4th in the PL or 9th in Europe as reported.

    Some cited different achievements betw Emery and Benitez. Before we try analyse the numbers, quite sure Benitez is c. 10 years older than Emery (not sure when they started managing) so comparison needs to equalise.

    I think the long-ish post by ES on the gross mismanagement of financial by Ivan and Wenger was good. Take a look. It encapsulates at a high level the several different types of mismanagement. For those curious, that would be basis for an attribution analysis to identify how (badly) precious funds had been squandered by the holy two. If AFC is truly a normal company, these two would already be in custody.

    I always wonder if Ivan was actually told to look ( an accomplice no less) elsewhere. and he grabbed the Milan chance to opt out… Will never know I suppose. .

  86. Pierre

    Stroller
    I agree with you 100% on our defensive issues….the problem all season has been primarily down the flanks though just lately we have looked weak through the middle.
    Holding coming in to a back 3 improved the situation for a while but we now look very vulnerable….I can foresee quite a few bad away defeats in the next few months.

    Kolasinac is a bit of a conundrum as he is so potent in the final third but so weak defensively…his positional play is poor, he doesn’t spot or react to dangerous situations and is basically a liability at the back .
    AMN. Is similar in that he doesn’t react quick enough to dangerous situations.

    Maybe it could be worth giving Kolasinac a try as a left sided midfielder so he has a left back behind him ….could be worth a try as it would be a pity to lose his creativity in the box.

    Overall though ,under Emery I can never see us being a solid unit as he doesn’t seem to want to play the game that way so maybe we just have to watch the games with our fingers crossed and hope we score more than the opposition.

  87. Guns of Hackney

    Pulisc signs for Chelsea. £58m.

    That could be very good business for a 21 year old.

    Chelsea still have pulling power.

  88. Guns of Hackney

    Borussia will lose another major star but it will be interesting to see how they spend their cash…BD always seem to find talent from somewhere. It might be worth Arsenal bugging their phones or something.

  89. Batistuta

    Pierre finally has some other agenda, Emery and Lacazzete, i mean God forbid a manager takes off a striker and puts in an extra midfielder to track the runs of the extra midfielder that was put on by the opposition. For you to say the sub didn’t have any effect as we were already creating chances is just plain weird especially because said sub got a goal and the opposition didn’t anymore. Maybe read the manager’s reason as to why he took Laca off, I mean i love Lacazzete, prefer him to Auba but only one is doing the business at the moment hence why he’s joint top scorer and on course to break our poor Forwards records for goals in a season since 2012

  90. Pierre

    Batistuta
    Lacazette is not my agenda ….did you listen to the reaction from the Arsenal supporters last night when he was substituted…

    Emery’s reasoning was quite logical but I’m afraid the words “ramsey” and “tracking back” should never be used in the same sentence.

  91. Batistuta

    Pierre

    Yes and there’s a reason why he’s the manager and they’re just fans, years of experience over emotions will always win out and that’s the problem with most Arsenal fans, way too emotional and unrealistic in what they expect from their football club taking into consideration we have the worst owner of any of the top 7 teams in the league

  92. Batistuta

    Pierre

    I do agree with you on one thing from your earlier comments, the whole Wenger saga, the poor state of the squad e.t.c. can only have the buck stopping at one persons table I’m afraid and that’s Kroenke, the earlier Arsenal fans stop bickering over average players like Ramsey and the ineffectual Ozil and come together and do something about the owner, we’ll forever just be another run of the mill still living in the past football club chopping and changing managers praying for them to be miracle workers because there are no available sufficient funds.

    The self sustainable model has to be done away with as it has become an easy cop out for Kroenke

  93. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    I have no issue in keeping Kolasinac in our squad or making Maitland-Niles the understudy for Bellerin.

    Let’s be honest you cannot change every player in our squad.

    However, the club needs to recruit at least one quality “defence” minded fullback to counter balance the wing backs.

    When it comes to centre backs let’s be totally honest none of those on our books are remotely world class. They are average to poor and mistake prone.
    Arsenal need to find someone who can actually stabilise and improve the heart of our defence and instil concentration and discipline something which has been lacking for a long time.

    Liverpool were defensively awful in first half of last season. They have resolved the problem by making two world class acquisitions in Goalkeeper and Centre Back. Both cost a lot of money, but it should not be forgotten that these two positions if resolved will add longevity to a team’s performance.

    Arsenal’s great defence under George Graham and Wenger lasted more than
    a decade. We won 5 league titles in their playing careers.

  94. Pierre

    Would be interesting to know what percentage on le grove would choose Ramsey to come on and track back.

    Lacazette,who is a striker , would be my choice to track back if it was a choice between Ramsey and Lacazette.

    Now if Emery had said I wanted Ramsey to come on and press from the front to put pressure on Fulham at the back line then I could go with that but tracking back …..I will have to watch the last 15 minutes again and if I see Ramsey tracking back then I will stand corrected.

  95. Freddie Ljungberg

    He didn’t say anything about tracking back, he said he brought Ramsey on to track Seri, he’s a deep lying midfielder so yeah, pressing from the front basically.

    Calm down with the agenda Pierre it’s getting real old.

  96. Freddie Ljungberg

    It’s like you’re trying to blame Emery for the fullbacks constantly bombing forwards when it’s only because we have 0 wingers in the team and our creative players are not good enough that they have to do it if we are going to create any chances at all.

    Wonder who assembled the poor squad? Was it Emery in 1 summer with 70m to spend or the previous manager with unlimited power and 22 years in charge, hmmmm?

  97. Pierre

    Stroller
    The conundrum for Emery is , does he bring in a ball playing centre half or a solid reliable defender who is not as good with the ball at his feet .

    I would go for the solid defender at the moment , someone who will attack every ball in the box ,positionally good and a warrior at the back .

    The problem is that Emery is fixated on playing out ,man city style,from the back when I don’t think we have the midfield players to make it work ..xhaka,Torriera and Guendouzi are all prone to lapses of concentration on the ball when it ultimately puts the defence under pressure .

    If we had a Cazorla type player to make it tick in midfield it might work though Guendouzi will probably grow into the role as he matures .

  98. Pierre

    Freddie
    “He didn’t say anything about tracking back, he said he brought Ramsey on to track Seri, he’s a deep lying midfielder so yeah, pressing from the front basically.”

    Will get back to you on that as I will need to watch the last 15 minutes again ..from what I can remember,Ramsey was pressing the back line but I may be wrong …I’m not saying it didn’t work whatever he was doing, but I am querying whether Ramsey did track Seri….maybe he did.

  99. Emiratesstroller

    Freddy Ljungberg

    I have no problem having two wing backs on the books. Both Bellerin and Kolasinac are okay playing offensively.

    The problem is that they should not both play attacking roles at SAME TIME.
    Too often our flanks were left exposed both last and this season.

    This is presumably why Emery introduced three centre backs until both Mustafi and Holding got injured.

    Arsenal need to add a Centre Back as soon as possible particularly since Holding is out injured for rest of season and Mavropanos has failed to make
    an appearance.

    Koscielny is no longer good enough to play in first team and that leaves us with just two experienced centre backs on books. We had a similar situation
    last season when it was clear that Koscielny could not maintain fitness and
    Mertesacker was no longer good enough to play in first team.

    The club is underresourced in defence and that has been going on a long time.

  100. Freddie Ljungberg

    Of course we have to add to the defence, our whole backline is crap, altough, Holding, Mavro, Sok, Bellerin and Kola are probably wort holding on to for now at least.

    The problem is that the team is weak straight through, so long as we have to sacrifice the defensive aspects just to create chances our defensive numbers are not going to get great even with better defenders. If we don’t want to go full Bolton and play with 9 men back and hoof it to Auba, doubt the fans would be on board with that.

  101. Freddie Ljungberg

    Just saying, buying defenders is not the only way to improve the defence. If we had for example Pepe and Nelson back, then our fullbacks could stay back and not leave us exposed all the time.

    We would still suffer for the individual mistakes of Kos, Mustafi and Xhaka but at least it would get better.

  102. Nelson

    Cold and hard reality is sinking in. That young American, Pulisic was once our target. I read that we has offered 35 m for him. He has just joined Chelsea for 57.6 m. We are now a small fish in the transfer market.

  103. Mr. J

    Great article from Arsenal Truth… Why Kroenke CANNOT invest big money

    It’s an age-old debate we’ve heard ever since Stan Kroenke joined Arsenal as owner. Why doesn’t he put his hand in his pocket and invest? This is usually accompanied by complaints that the wrong owner was brought into the club, and that Alisha Usmanov would have spent Arsenal back to competitiveness.

    Although history has proved time and time again that spending money alone is not the route to competitiveness – Man Utd and Leicester being two sides of the counter coin, the plain fact is that ever since the Premier League’s Short Term Cost Controls (STCC) were enforced in 2013, Stan Kroenke would not have been able to invest super large sums of money in players even if he’d wanted to.

    Why? Because Arsenal’s wage bill has been spiralling out of control for years due to Wenger/Gazidis’ horrendous mismanagement, and no matter how much is/was available to spend on players, there has been no margin to substantially increase salaries through player acquisitions without breaking STCC rules.

    As explained, STCC (aka Financial Fair Play) was set up by the Premier League in 2013. It was implemented to prevent clubs spending the huge influx of TV money on player wages, thus increasing disparity throughout the Premier League. It also enabled clubs the opportunity to cap spending in a way that was fair and equitable across the board.

    Note that STCC rules only apply to clubs with a wage bill above £67m. Using their previous year’s wage bill as a baseline, those clubs are prohibited from raising wages by more than £7m per annum. However, there is one caveat. The rules are directly related to broadcasting revenue. Therefore, if a club can prove the wage increase is financed by its own revenues by way of increased commercial income and match day income, they can supplement the £7m limit.

    For clubs whose commercial revenues are experiencing substantial growth year-on-year, this will not make a huge difference. However, Arsenal trail miles behind their competitors. In 2016/17, for example, commercial profits only increased by £10.7m. Add that to Arsenal’s £7m limit and wages could only increase the following season by £17m per annum – less than Mesut Ozil’s annual salary.

    So what’s the solution to the restrictions that STCC gives a club like Arsenal? The solution is to either drastically cut the wage bill and/or massively increase commercial revenues and match day income. However, commercial revenues have ridden alongside Wenger’s decade-long underperformance and have therefore been poor under Gazidis’ stewardship and, obviously, there’s not much room to increase match day income substantially unless supporters want to pay astronomically higher prices.

    To make things worse, Arsenal’s cash flow has been hit now that the club no longer participates in the Champions League. Indeed, operating profits have tumbled 60% as a result of Arsenal’s failure to qualify for the competition, so not only is there less room to raise wages via commercial and match day income, but there’s less cash available to buy players.

    The logical and only step, therefore, is to reduce the wage bill. With a much reduced wage bill, Arsenal would have the manoeuvrability to spend surplus cash balances on new players without exceeding STCC rules. Unfortunately, however, this is not what the club has been doing in recent years. In fact, despite ever-decreasing returns on the pitch, Arsenal’s wage bill has only been rising.

    Take last season for example. You would think the club would have made huge ground in reducing the wage bill by releasing a number of high earners. We saw the departures of Walcott, Sanchez, Debuchy, Giroud, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Szczesny, Gabriel, Coquelin and Gibbs. Combined, this would have reduced the wage bill by around £655k p/wk.

    However, Arsenal signed Aubameyang, Lacazette and Kolasinac, and panicked when signing Mkhitaryan and increasing Ozil’s wage packet from £140k to £350k p/wk. Fag packet calculations demonstrate that Arsenal’s wage bill increased by approximately £100k p/wk or £5m per annum. While these figures are not exact, it’s obvious that for as long as the wage bill keeps rising, there is virtually no wage room for the club to substantially increase spending on players.

    It was the same story this summer. Perez, Akpom, Mertesacker, Cazorla and Wilshere departed, but this was offset by the signings of Sokratis, Torreira, Leno, Guendouzi and Lichtsteiner – so no substantial wage savings there, if any. That means Arsenal had no room to buy big name players with a big wage packet to match.

    STCC clearly illustrates how Kroenke is handcuffed. Not that he would invest in Arsenal out of his own pocket, but even if he wanted to, Arsenal simply cannot spend their way back to competitiveness.

    The club is where it is due to the unrelenting underperformance by the previous manager and CEO. Both on the pitch and off it, their decision-making has been disastrous. Wages have increased massively coinciding with ever-reducing returns both financially and on the field of play.

    This is what the new board and Emery have inherited and it will take a long time to rectify. They pretty much have to start from scratch and don’t have a lot to work with – little wonder Gazidis didn’t fancy hanging round to clear up his own incompetent mess.

    The starting point will be to drastically reduce Arsenal’s wage bill. The board and manager will also have to come up with creative solutions in terms of signing players. This has begun with the acquisition of Torreira, Guendouzi and Leno – not big signings, but players for the future with a normalised wage packet and resale value.

    Lichtsteiner and Sokratis were inexpensive short-term stop gaps designed to shore up the defence, and Arsenal will probably need more of that going forward to help get back on track. Armed with this information, it’s now a little more understandable why reports are surfacing that any January deals will be focused around cheap older players or loan deals.

    On the plus side, next summer, the new shirt sponsorship and kit deal cycle begins, alongside a separate sleeve sponsor, which alone is expected to bring in £20m. Adidas have replaced Puma as kit manufacturer, which will bring in another £20m pa. Arsenal will also have room to offload some more high earners to bring the wage bill down – notably Ramsey and contract expirees Welbeck, Cech, Monreal, Ospina and Jenkinson.

    Player sales, particularly Ozil, will make a big difference towards getting Arsenal back on the straight and narrow, not only bringing in cash but further room to increase wage bill expenditure. However, make no mistake STCC reduces Kroenke’s options to seriously reinvest in Arsenal. The rules have changed the investment landscape for wealthy clubs, and if you examine the activity of all of the big PL clubs in recent years, you can clearly see how STCC has affected their player recruitment policies.

    The clamour for Kroenke to reach deep into his pocket has to stop. It won’t happen and, more importantly, can’t happen. Liverpool and Spurs had to do it the hard way, and so will Arsenal. At least they provide grounds for optimism that competitiveness is within Arsenal’s reach with astute player purchases and good management. It also clearly demonstrates why Emery, or any manager, needs substantial time to get Arsenal back to where it needs to be. Anyone who believes there is a quick fix is either living in dreamland or denial.

  104. Pierre

    Mr J
    Only one person to blame for letting wages spiral out of control and that is the person who owns and controls the club …kronke.

    Any owner who allows his employees such freedom to waste millions is either stupid or not fit for purpose.

  105. Graham62

    Why are you saying to me, of all people,” What we are seeing this season is what we have seen for the last ten seasons……..surely you can see that”

    Remember, I gave up on Wenger in 2008.

    My point is this, if Emery becomes blind to the things now( ie Lacazette the way we defend etc) what will he be doing further down the line.

    Wenger was allowed to get away with it…….. by our weak fanbase. Emery will not be given the same amount of freedom or leeway.

    Just a pity fans were not so impatient ten years back.

    The consequences of Wenger are at last being felt.

  106. loyika

    The thing is people just don’t understand why he keeps picking on Laca to take off.

    Is it that he feels Laca cannot finish a full game time (even against Fulham?) Or is he preserving him in terms of freshness for future games (too bad Laca hasn’t read that memo)

    Will see how Laca behaves during the summer TW. Might also be dependent on how our season pans out.

  107. Pierre

    Graham
    “My point is this, if Emery becomes blind to the things now( ie Lacazette the way we defend etc) what will he be doing further down the line”

    Very good point …I must have got the wrong end of the stick earlier .

    Did you see those stats regarding Lacazette and how the positive results we have with him in the team.

    I have a feeling that Emery doesn’t like to play both Lacazette and Aubamayang in big games …I don’t know why …the only time he has started them together in against a top side ,home to Liverpool, it was possibly our best performance of the season taking the opposition into consideration.

    As you asked , I Managed to win my game of golf yesterday ,was playing against a 4 and 5 handicappers ..I play off 8 ……level on the tee at the 18th and I won with a birdie…
    We play a stableford system so the handicap comes into effect …they were giving me 3 and 4 shots and I needed them in the end ……I can sense the boredom setting in for le grovellers as they read this .

  108. englandsbest

    Mr J

    You paint a grim picture of the future. Even if your proposals are followed rigorously and to the letter, years and years of mid-table mediocrity at best lie ahead.

    What you have failed to point out is that Kroenke handcuffed himself. Deliberately. And that,if so minded, he has a legitimate way of freeing himself.

    His bottom-line policy was a statement that he would not invest money in the Club under any circumstances, not for buying players, not for paying their wages, not for anything.

    And yes, the Club might have navigated itself safely through the austerity period had it not been for the Stadium debt. In those days the annual repayment of £30+ millions would have been more than enough to acquire the players needed to keep winning titles and trophies, which in itself would have added yet more money to the pot.

    The owner still has that option. The debt is his, not the Club’s. That won’t happen. Instead he will load yet more debt on the Club.

    In other words, your proposals will be bush-wacked by the boss.

    I feel sorry for Emery & Co, An intolerable situation that will destroy any enthusiasm they might have. If I were them, I would be working on my speech of resignation.

    There is only one viable solution: a decent ownership.

  109. Graham62

    Pierre

    As you well know, don’t go on stats.

    I see with my own very experienced eyes, the benefits of playing Lacazette.

    Well done in the golf. You’re right though, “the stableford system” would make a great bedtime story.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……