Today, we have a bit of a fun data run for you with the YouGov Chat button that a load of you have been playing with. We’ll talk about fan player ratings today.
I asked: Value a player from 1-5, 5 being the most valuable, 1 being not so valuable.
The numbers were very interesting. The sample size we had was about 500, which is pretty good going for a survey.
Let’s start with the: What do the fans think of the new signings?
As you’ll remember, there was a lot of ‘WE HAVEN’T MOVED THE NEEDLE BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW THESE PLAYERS’ after the transfers window. Well, we’re one game in and the average rating for the 6 new signings was 3.81. Which is really high considering the average value of the entire squad was 3.10. Take Nuno Tavares out, who hasn’t started a game yet, and the rating goes up to a whopping 3.97.
- White 3.95
- Ramsdale 3.98
- Tomiyasu 3.89
- Lokonga 3.85
- Tavares 3.03
- Odegaard 4.17
So what can we take from this? Well, it seems the fans like the players a lot after winning, but in general, knowing a lot of Arsenal fans and hearing a lot of opinions, I think the fans actually just like this new group of players. There will be ups and downs, there will be mistakes, but they all have talent and they’ll all get better as the season goes on. I also like that character is shining through. Tomiyasu is clearly a big personality in the dressing room, and I love to see Aaron Ramsdale making videos for kids that have suffered loss. It’s small things like this that you think are standard with footballers, but I can tell you, there are players that have been at Arsenal where that has not been the case.
The top 5 players the fans are loving at the moment are to be expected.
- Saka 4.88
- ESR 4.70
- Tierney 4.67
- Partey 4.66
- Odegaard 4.17
Nothing mind-blowing there, though I was surprised to see centre back Gabriel just outside the top 5, clearly his performance against Norwich struck a chord. Getting a little more specific? The average age of the top 5 players is 23, even with Thomas Partey stinking the joint out at the grand old age of 28. If you expand the group to the top 10 most valued Arsenal players, the age goes to 22.7.
What does this tell you?
That the fans are on board with the summer strategy, that they like the idea of a youthful squad, and hopefully they are willing deal with the ups and downs that will come as part of the learning process this season.
We wanted a Dortmund++ and we basically have it. The ++ comes from the fact that we buy expensive players to supplement our kids like Auba and Partey. It also differs from the German side because we’re buying elite young players with bundles of Premier League experience. But make no mistake, this is a similar model. We’re doing it this way because that’s the only way to compete. We can’t buy a Premier League winning team, we’ll have to grow it.
This comes with some ramifications. Fans will have to temper expectations of a league run this season (lol). They’ll also have to accept that young players have ups and downs. But long term, this was the only way to do things and I think that it’s a very likeable plan that 95% of fans will get behind. As Mike McDonald said yesterday, we just have to be patient with it, and remember to continue to be awesome fans in the ground like we have been in every game so far. Young players need to feel the love, when they do, they get better, and learn faster.
I don’t really want to get into the players the fans aren’t loving at the moment. It’s basically a mix of players that we’ve replaced, that won’t leave, or have big PR issues at the moment. Overall though, the message is positive. The fans like the new squad, they like the players, and the direction on paper seems to be pleasing fans.
Right, before I go, make sure you read the ‘WHAT THE HELL IS ARTETA DOING‘ article from yesterday. Mike is a successful British coach in America and he took the time out to explain what he thinks is going on at Arsenal and I thought it was excellent. The article is the most engaged article of the past year, I think it’s clear that it has opened a lot of minds to what the plan is, and it’s hard not to get behind the sentiment.
Now we have to hand the controls to Arteta. He has to deliver a result at the weekend. He has to continue the good work of Norwich at a very violent stadium. I can’t wait.
Also worth noting that Arteta has pivoted his messaging. Hearing him talk about a ‘very bright light’ at the end of a tunnel is what fans want to hear. He needs to be aggressive about this new vision at Arsenal. He needs to defend his players and pump them. He needs to make us all believers again. The time is now, let’s see what the boys have.
Ernest ReedSeptember 17, 2021 21:37:27
I feel your pain dude…
Really sorry to hear about your loss…
Hope time serves as a tender healing moment,along with the memories keeping you somewhat alive and moving you in a comfortable and positive kind of directional way.
That Auba is voted below Odegaard and not in top 3 of this team shows the influence that Arteta judgement has over the voters. Our whole season literally revolves around Auba hitting his stride but somehow he isn’t one of our highly rated players at the moment? Auba’s current form shouldn’t reflect on our opinion of him as he is our only hope basically. Why is he our only hope? Cause he is a cut above the rest. Laughable really.
Since GOH is reminiscing about gay clubs, this one’s for him. Juego De Posicion D’Arteta (JDPA) (music and lyrics by Pedro’s Village People, concept by Mikel Arteta) Mikel, there’s no need to feel down I said Mikel, pick yourself off the ground I said Mikel ‘cause you’re in a new town Far from Pep, but no need to feel unhappy Mikel there’s a system to play I said Mikel, when you want to prolong your stay You can name it and I’m sure you will find A new way to extend your good times. Just call it the JDPA Just… Read more »
Andy C at The End was where it was at around Y2K!
https://dailycannon.com/2021/09/william-salibas-passing-stands-out/
Like we couldn’t have done with some of this quality in the team. It beggars belief. At least people have questioned the decision to not give him a chance and send Saliba straight back on loan.
I only hope that we do get to see him play in an Arsenal shirt. Can’t have a ‘ manager ‘ pissing all over our talent, and keeping lesser players here, cos he likes ‘nice’ boys.
Arteta out.
Hey Kroenkephoebe,
How about some Candy Dulfer…
I think she might have played at the Jazz Cafe and maybe in Dingwalls..
Here’s a link to one of her solo efforts back in 2015-Lily Was Here..Original duet with Dave Stewart was back in the days..But here is her going solo…
You might recognise…
PS
Tony,China1 and Pierre might be up for this.. 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF3Hk6CR0rU
Pedro
I think the player ratings are a little misleading. Here’s why.
Asking how valuable a player is to the club brings other players into the equation. For example, if you don’t rate Tavares as a back-up, then Tierney becomes even more valuable than if you rate Tavares.
The question to ask should have been a simpler one. about approving of the player’ rather than saying how valuable he is. Here’s another example. Ramsdale and Leno aren’t that valuable because thery are both of a similar standard. Neither world-class or poor, two good keepers with different flaws.
To clarify my previous comment, it means both Ramsdale and Leno are less valuable because in eav other they have a smiliar standard player available to replace them.
By any chance-any ratings for the manager over 20 months?
Non?
Oui?
——
Did not think so…
Lol…
Is it not possible that most of the players are all rated highly because most fans like them but the same fans are unhappy with Arteta for failing to get the best out of them?
Shame there wasn’t a 1-5 rating for how valuable Arteta is….
Arsenal now in 17th. If the tie tomorrow they are in 16th, if they loose they could be 18th, if they win they will climb the table depending on the other results.
As already stated needle is out of order.
What was xhaka’s rating in the poll?
PHD loving the vid
Much love Ernest
Guns and samesong sorry for your loss
The talk about not moving the needle enough this summer is about the starting 11 The jury is out on most of our new signings, but Ode was here last season and doesn’t count, tavares is a bench warmer, white was incredibly expensive and lokonga is a bench warmer if Xhaka and partey are fit. Ransdale it’s not clear if he’s first choice. Tomi and White are the only signings who look like nailed on starters. The jury is very much out on them so far even if the signs are encouraging. And considering his price tag White should be… Read more »
Luteo trailer trash telling trailer trash jokes. My son thought it silly using posters names for your joke. So old and passé but keep them coming it’s always good when you post your numptyness to laugh at. My son said you’re a true snowflake of the woke era. Can’t be fairer than offering to pay for a 5* hotel just to chat with you, then you are in the SE Asia central area. A good friend has 5* resorts throughout Asia I’d have been happy to arrange affordable discounts at. Most of which are close to excellent golf courses. Grow… Read more »
By the way Luteo my son still laughs at you because you feel you’re lucky to hit one 220 yard carry in a game.
He asked me if I knew of any muscular preventative afflictions and I said, no only breathing. Another waste of good oxygen and perfect answer for abortion.
Like I said Luteo no doubt you’ll keep it coming as you seem to be triggered so early. Poor baby!
Why Tony and Luteo fighting?
Guns it used to be breakfast club!! Besides berating Pedro for the daily propaganda the mornings here are supposed to be friendly 😁
Pedro don’t leave us in the dark we have to know what xhaka’s fan rating was on your poll.
Tbh you should make the results visible in real time if possible so people can see how the polls are going!
Can we just see all the poll results? I think it’s more interesting than just a top 5
Guns ask Luteo who seems to enjoy attacking posters and me in particular with no provocation other than not having the sense to skip my posts. Not the smartest on Luteo’s part, but there you go. I’ve never attacked Luteo, but I guess he’s a keyboard warrior and wants to show how good he is. My life has been so different and travel intensive to normal people that when I talk about things I’m bragging or similar. I would imagine K’phobe has worked in more countries than I have, but we understand the ways of the nomadic working life that… Read more »
Im here for the comments! Blog of love!
Damn! Candy Dulfer has made my juices flow!
I knew you would notice the rack SId
Candy Dulfer, Sid, Mrs Sid, Juego de posicion free flowing more subs on the 70th minute. Sid progressive distance……
Tony and Luteo you both need to kiss and make up!
Blog of love and all that
DIrect your anger not at each other but mike arteta and his boy Edu
Tony
I think we win this one 2-1
Im now using juego de relationship with my girl, thank you pedro for making clueless arteta better than a prime wenger cos he never juegoed no position.
Burnley. let’s. fucking. gooo!!
super excited to see how these youts that aced a grove poll will do when faced with a real test.
How can players be rated that have only played a few matches for the club.
Strange that one.
“What was xhaka’s rating in the poll?”
I would bet he scored below 2!!
Did Xhaka get a 5 rating now we know he is key to Arteta’s positional system of play?
How times change very quickly.
Last week it was let’s hope Lokonga ousts Xhaka.
This week a big fat 5 rating for Xhaka for being so integral to Arteta’s plans.
Ishola70,
Some people take a religious approach to fan-hood. Worse, they expect others to follow suit.
Everything relating to Club is a 5
The big day is upon us, where the titans Burnley take on the giants arsenal.
The clash of the relegators.
Where the one eyed Cyclops Sean dyche takes on the horned Satyr Mikel. Who will come out victorious?
The funny part about this week is Mikel Arteta was asked what he watches when he is free and he said Ted Lasso . Now I get it why he has seen the light xD.
“How can players be rated that have only played a few matches for the club. Strange that one.”
Laughable really
All this off a win against Norwich, not even a run of victories, just one win.
Interesting game today. Totally different test to Norwich.
Really looking forward to how we approach it. We usually dominate Burnley despite the physicality, Arteta is yet to beat them though if I’m not mistaken.
Guns I wasn’t triggered by what was posted only that my son read it before me and asked what the problem was? Actual word’s were dad why does Luteo think I’m gay from his joke? My son gave me a telling look and went to finish his breakfast. Done now. Next? I’ve felt for a while we’ll salvage a point.Never easy when you have no idea what the next tinkered line up will be. Then the first prediction can be made. Then get past 20 minutes or so where we sit back more and perhaps a final prediction can be… Read more »
I just hope we escape injuries today, Ainsley and Xhaka should play and Partey on the bench..
Xhaka should play
Suspended
Wasn’t Tets’ most successful spell when he employed tactics of PEA (Poner El Autobus, with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang having a near 100% chance conversion rate), rather than JDP?
“Raheem Sterling has lost his place in Manchester City’s leadership group and been replaced by Rúben Dias after a vote by players and staff. Every year the City squad, coaches and various backroom staff members, vote for who they want to be captain. The person who collects the most votes assumes the role and the other members of the top five join him in the leadership group. Last year Fernandinho, Kevin De Bruyne, Ilkay Gundogan, Kyle Walker and Sterling were voted into the group. Fernandinho, the 36-year-old midfielder, won this year’s vote, Gundogan came second, Dias was third, De Bruyne… Read more »
I am feeling that we are going to get the win today. As scrappy as it was last week, wins promote good vibes and confidence in players.
Aubameyang is off the mark and today playing against his favourite team (he has only scored more goals against Hamburg). Let’s hope today to see Partey and Lokonga own the midfield.
Enjoy your day Gooners.
Honestly i never really understood the constant hate for emery.pedro,val,cg,pierre,cc had it for him since day 1. Even when it didn’t work out i thought he was decent enough.
Raulishuss,
I never hated Emery. I criticised his action not the man. I never made fun of his accent, his teeth or clothing.
I thought that he was mediocre and that with him at the helm Arsenal would go nowhere.
Now when you compare with Arteta, he looks visionary and extremely competent. Toward the end, many players did not respect the coach, but they respected the man. With Arteta when he is ultimately sacked I am not sure he will even get that.
Burnley who beat us at the Emirates last season, be scared, be very scared…..
“I thought that he was mediocre and that with him at the helm Arsenal would go nowhere.” Still peddling this mediocre nonsense about Emery Valentin, if that’s not dislike for the man i wonder what is. “Now when you compare with Arteta, he looks visionary and extremely competent.” You do not need to compare him to a rookie manager to prove his competency, neither does anyone need your seal of approval to ascertain that either. He just took a team who have never won a trophy to European glory in his first season without losing a game. Took Almeria to… Read more »
Le groves supreme leader gravitates towards metrosexual men like Diet Pep,
Emery was dorkish.
Wonder if Unai Emery is mediocre who then is a competent coach.
Valentin are you as successful in your chosen profession as Emery has been at his? Are you mediocre?
Don’t go disparaging people who have achieved success in their field just because you do not like them,, anyone could see through your hate for Emery, u never bothered to mask it, it was somewhat personal.
Its NOT about actual how competent at their jobs the 2 managers are.
“Toward the end, many players did not respect the coach, but they respected the man. With Arteta when he is ultimately sacked I am not sure he will even get that.” By the way you do not have a clue what’s going on in the dressing room, you have no clue what Arteta’s relationship with his players is like, stop making it look like u have the numbers of the squad on speed dial. You are a very petty person, this is not the first time i will tell you this, you are nasty. Once you make up your mind… Read more »
Salparadisenyc is metrosexual
Emery’s appointment made sense at the time. Successful at number of other clubs, even a massive club like PSG considered him good enough to appoint him. Ultimately, the club didn’t support Emery, and maybe it wasn’t a good fit as if first looked. Arsenal was in a similar position to the clubs he had coached back then, below the absolute top clubs trying to qualify for a UCL football. We were also in Europa League so to bring a cup specialist like him would give us 2 decent chances to achieve our UCL goal. Sadly, we missed by a fraction… Read more »
Toney having a great game
Samesong
“”””Toney having a great game””””
He is. Flagged him after his superlative performance in the play off final Those games are as high pressured as they come.
The game has always been about goals and goalscorers ( not acronyms)
Frank Thomas, young , charismatic, can cajole and inspire.
Compare and contrast him with the medicore montone and bland Arteta.
2 to watch. Thomas and Toney.
“Toney having a great game”
Someone should tell him and Brentford to stop living off that Arsenal win eh Ishola
Receeding
How’s the Accas looking today man. I had a wonderful time on thursday with Europa and Conference league games so will just take it easy today.
Wins for
Liverpool
Inter
Athletico Madrid win or draw
Dynamo Kiev
Viktoria Plzen
Velez in Argentina
Hibernians in Malta
CG
Yeah struggled at Newcastle but has thrived under Thomas at Brentford. If he keeps it up I can see a big club coming in for him.
He got composure, Good shot , Good in the air. His pace is questionable, but he is physical and ready to go to war. He should of had a hat-trick this first half. But VAR rightly disallowed the goals.
Yea, the club didn’t support Emery andEmery didn’t know his way around the club’s heirarchy at the time. He has to get past all the suits appointed above him, directly to the Kroenkes to succeed. His language deficits didn’t do him any good in the boardroom. He wanted Ozil out – club didn’t back him He told Mustafi he wasn’t needed anymore, club didn’t back him He wanted a proper defender and spoke to Harry Maguire early before United came calling, instead the club signed a young defender and kept him out on loan, then they signed an iffy defender… Read more »
Receding gets very upset about what his perceives as injustice. Maybe that’s why he has a soft spot for Leno and Xhaka because he thinks they are persecuted. You told me that Toney was asked the question about the Arsenal match yet again and he responded yet again. Fair enough. I was not aware that he had been prompted although of course there is a good chance of that happening . I stated what I said in concern for Brentford. If these concerns were unfounded and not applicable then again fair enough. Get over it. What a strange thing to… Read more »
We need a striker like Ivan Toney next season when it’s time to replace Laca.
We need to stop spending too much money on these soft ‘technical”” type strikers that get bullied around too easily
Samesong
“””CG Yeah struggled at Newcastle but has thrived under Thomas at Brentford. If he keeps it up I can see a big club coming in for him.””””
Thats man management.
F. Thomas clearly improves and inspires his troops.
Oodles of charisma and personality and its comes through his young, vibrant and exciting Brentford team.
I just think the way some had it for emery from day 1 was just so harsh. Val downplayed everything emery was good at(tbf he does that for everything arsenal unless it involves anything french and so).
So this is it. The season starts today. Artetaball is here.
He is risen !!
Man’s feeling good vibes about today…
Boldly saying -2 victory
Baying
He died on a Friday then rose on a Saturday..
The slick suitor…
Emery was treated atrociously by many fans. He was a dead man walking and branded a failure by the end of his first season because he misssed top four by a whisker and lost a european final. The feeling towards him became toxic going into his second season because of this but let’s be honest many fans were just so eager to find reasons to be toxic against him. And now when we look back just a few seasons later and see that fans branded a whisker away from top four and a european final as ineptitude and complete failure… Read more »
Emery would be doing much better with the squad we have today. His English would also have been more lucid, even though that has nothing to do with his football acumen. Not being able to speak English has not held Leeds and their manager back at all it seems
Can I get an early link to a stream? Appreciation in advance. No el really fucks the coverage !
Maybe Emery shouldn’t have made the effort to speak English and just relied on an interpeter like Bielsa did. It did him no favours.
One thing is for sure a pairing of Emery and Mislintat is superior to that of Arteta and Edu and that’s even those that don’t really rate either of the former.
In regards to todays match we hope that Arsenal put in a good performance and that Burnley’s poor form continues. They have only won two EPL matches out of 13 games stretching back to last season. But of course there is always that doubt.
“How’s the Accas looking today man. I had a wonderful time on thursday with Europa and Conference league games so will just take it easy today.”
Batistuta just have one acca on today, so many near misses from last weekend during the week i have decided not to chase my loses
Receding gets very upset about what his perceives as injustice.
No i don’t, i just get mildly irritated, have my say on it and move on. If in future a chance presents itself for me to again drive home why it was an injustice i take it, your comments on both Brentford and Toney that day had no bearing in reality, they have only lost one game this season and are doing much better than even they would have hoped.
As for the comment about soft spots for Xhaka and Leno, wonder who’s being catty now
Fully expecting Juego De Posicion to be coursing thru the side with Juego coming out on top. MOTM… clearly Mr. Posicion at Turf Moore.
Sending this one out to the Guns of’s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrODxCsR4og
Receding
Do you never do inplay bets?
There were two guys that absolutely cleaned up on the football betting a few years ago and they were eventually banned from most betting sites because they scalped the bookies so well but they made hay while they could. They both sweared blind that the only way to make a really good serious profit from football betting was to do inplay bets.
Do you never do inplay bets?
Nope, never tried it, although i can see the potential, I am actually a low stakes gambler, very low stakes. Its all fun and games for me. The guys you speak of are pros.
Receding
“have my say on it and move on”
lol that’s exactly what you didn’t do on this occasion.
You already made your point about this before but you came back for afters.
Imagine arguing about Brentford FFS.
I hope Brentford stay up. That’s maybe why I made the comment in the first place. Good to see they have scored a couple of goals today as the few games after the Arsenal game they failed to register which could have been seen as a concern.
Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, White, Gabriel, Tierney, Partey, Odegaard, Smith Rowe, Saka, Pepe, Aubameyang
Looks like we’ll play 4 3 3 with Partey flanked by Ode and ESR.
Really attacking team! Great. Now have got to go and find a pub showing it!
Tets reads LG look at that lineup, about time he pulled the handbreak on the mid.
Subs: Leno, Holding, Cedric, Tavares, Mari, Maitland-Niles, Sambi, Lacazette, Martinelli
If it is a 4-3-3 with Ode being more of a central midfielder than attacking midfielder, it makes you wonder why we didn’t go for Aouar instead of him, as Aouar as a CM is some levels above Ode.
That starting 11 looks great on paper but the central midfield is very dubious
Arteta is stil, continuing with this approach of overloading the wings and abandoning the center.
Essentially we are playing a central midfield of ONE -which is Partey
We would be better off with Lokonga and Partey in the middle, then play one of Ode or ESR.we don’t want to control the midfield under Artetaball.
It’s going to be lots of crosses and Auba will be crowded out.
About time we see ESR who will actually give us some creativity. Concern is whether he can actually defend
raptora
You’re making too much sense with the Aouar comment.
Ode is an average central midfielder, at best. You need dynamism and lots of movement in the middle, he’s not going to give you that.
Good mornin ,afternoon…Y’all. whatever it is.. Attacking lineup… will it produce results?…
God I hope so. watching us bumble around and never score is coma inducing.
Need to start stacking wins. And now.
Very attacking team on paper is all i can say, let’s see how it plays out.
Unfortunately my channel here is showing the City game so I have to rely on the commentary here and highlights immediately after
Disagree Dissenter, having ESR and Odegaard both playing should encourage more interplay centrally.
Arsenal XI: Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, White, Gabriel, Tierney, Partey, Odegaard, Smith Rowe, Saka, Pepe, Aubameyang
On paper surely this is our strongest line up?
Doubly pleased that Xhaka is nowhere near the first team or the substitutes’ bench.
In my mind, he has every right to be unvaccinated should he choose but as a consequence he can sit out and watch from far away.
Ode is better than auour… You must sha complain rap. Lol
Leeds, pointy man is suspended
Leeds Xhaka is suspended from red card. Unfortunately he will be back for NLD.
Sofa have it as a 4-1-4-1 with Partey being the DM.
Basically how we ended the game against Norwich.
Away from home he should be playing a 4-2-3-1 with Sambi alongside Partey and no Pepe…with ESR and Saka interchanging in the 3 with Odergaard and Aubamayang as a lone striker…As far.as Im concerned such a team.would have better balance and would mean that Partey wouldn’t be put under as much pressure to protect the back line….Pepe is far too physically weak to make any impact in a starting XI against.a well drilled side like Burnley…In fact as Pepe continues to prove he’s too weak and predictable to make much of an impact when starting against most Premier League teams…Its… Read more »
Xhaka is training very well. He will defo be back for the NLD. Spuds will be happy about that
Leeds give or take this is our strongest tho there’s a big question about how our CM is lined up. Are we doing Partey DM and ESR and aide b2b? Or one of them will actually sit deeper as a partner to partey?
I hope we don’t have two dedicated AMs with partey left by himself.
I’d have lokonga in for ode but I’m fine with the lineup subject to Partey not being abandoned in the middle. It’s pretty much as good as we can do
Ode can run a lot. He can surprise us playing deeper. ESR will renew his chemistry with Saka.