COME ON YOOOOOOOU GUNNERS!

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It is here, another FA Cup final for the mighty Arsenal. We’re going for number 14. Mikel Arteta is going for his first as a coach. The young players are going for their first-ever trophy. We have Europe on the line.

It’s different this year and it’s a shame. I’ve never missed an Arsenal FA Cup final. I usually go with my football family, we meet up, get drunk, celebrate or commiserate together, and then it’s a beautiful memory forever locked (even the losses can be fun after).

My Uncle, who is a Leeds fan said to me a few years ago that trophies were about parties. If you’re having a lot of parties, life is good, but if you’re not, then what’s the point?

Arsenal fans might not have had a lot of major-trophy parties of late, but we’re certainly advanced in FA Cup shindigs. This is our trophy, no one has won it as often as us. You feel something in the air whenever we head to Wembley. Wenger took these games very seriously, he loved the FA Cup, and I expect some of that has rubbed off on Arteta, who played as his captain in a winning side. Let’s hope Mikel has a similar relationship with the trophy.

Today is going to be tough, we’re not favourites which is unusual, and the squad of players we have available can be a little bit like that box of chocolates Forest Gump always bangs on about. You don’t know what you’re going to get. However, after thinking about it, under Mikel Arteta, it is more likely than ever that we’ll be picking out a chocolate that doesn’t have a sour liqueur hiding inside.

We’ve beaten United, Liverpool, and City this season. Both our Chelsea games, whilst not optimal, saw solid performances. We’ve had some very good away wins in 2020 as well. Arteta tailors a game plan to the match, the players understand it, and if there are no mistakes, we usually have a pretty good chance of making it very difficult for the other side.

I think we’ll see more of that today. There are rumours that Kieran Tierney is being considered as a centre back today, Ainsley is apparently getting the nod, then it’s with the gods how we set the team up from there.

This isn’t the same game as City or Liverpool. Chelsea has a pretty exciting collection of players that can move the ball through midfield. They play very attractive football at their peak, they are quick on the counter, and they can also pick apart a deep block. They have Olivier Giroud, say what you will about him, but he’ll be motivated, he’s a brilliant link-up striker, and he can score outrageous goals. Willian is in blistering form and along with Kante, is in the squad today.

Their weak spot is in defence. Frank Lampard teams often have a soft underbelly through the middle of the park, and this particular team has struggled with the goalkeeping position. Chelsea actually conceded more goals in the league than Arsenal this season, clocking in at a whopping 54. That is a massive opportunity if you can deal with them going forward. Tough to see how we bring exciting football to unlock their defence after bumming around without a #10 for so long, but we have seen glimpses of good play, particularly the first half against Leicester.

Our challenge is defence, individual errors, and in-game management. We don’t have Mustafi and in this squad, that’s a problem. He’s been huge for us under Mikel, bar a couple of games I think he was fatigued in. There aren’t many good options for us, but nor was there in 2017 when Per Mertesacker and Rob Holding put in a BEASTLY performance for us. The individual errors issue always lurks, our xG has been shocking this season in part because of that, the players know this, and they have to be at their best today to avoid being ‘that guy’ in a final. I also think Lampard has been adept at times at changing things up during the game. Arteta needs to make good decisions when that happens today because Chelsea has more from the bench than we do.

In Arteta’s first run out in the league, a game I attended, we were really unlucky. Callum Chambers picked up a nasty injury, then Frank made some smart changes from the bench and got quite lucky with Jorginho staying on the pitch. The second game we managed to rescue the game with Xhaka and Mustafi sitting on the bench. This is our third crack at Chelsea, arguably the most important on, we have to deliver. Lampard will come with something interesting tactically and we have to counter it, and then move fast to deal with whatever he does in the second phase of the game.

Moments like today define managers and projects. A trophy in your first season, whatever it is, can be absolutely huge. It builds trust from the players, it bonds squads, it builds rapport with the fans, creates forward momentum, and it’s just a beautiful feeling to know you’re on the right path.

This is massive.

Enjoy the game, have fun with your friends and families, let’s make some memories of a different kind today.

Big love from everyone at Le Grove, COME ON YOU GUNNERS xx

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  1. Wasi

    China

    Martinez is definitely powerful. But still has very good reflexes for someone his size. Should start next season as #1.

    Wenger really knows a player when he sees one. I remember Martinez in a past interview saying something in the lines that Wenger said to him that his time will come at Arsenal , just be patient.

  2. Gentlebris

    ‘Who the fuck is going to pay £20 million for Kolas – good grief.’

    The kind of people who were ready to pay more than that for Xhaka at his lowest period when you thought we would struggle to see a team to take him off us for free.

  3. Dissenter

    Marko and AMN….of course.
    Even when faced with the obvious fact that he may have gotten the young lad wrong, he bottles down like Trump and keeps digging.

  4. Habesha Gooner

    AMN is not a RB. I know people like him. But people have short memories and in a flat back four he looks terrible defensively. He switches off and He makes risky passes
    I know bellerin has been out of form since he came back but he is definitely better than AMN at RB. As a wing back AMN is a bit better. If he stays I want him to stick to his position in midfield and Compete for it. It helps us that he is a utility player too. We have to keep him if it benefits us. But I wouldn’t play him in front of bellerin or Soares in a flat back 4. He was good as an inverted fullback during Artetas beginning. It was because he was going in to midfield, he looked great. That actually didn’t help pepe because he was Isolated. If we sell Bellerin I want a proper RB to come in. I don’t want AMN as our RB for a whole season. 20 mil and I think we should sell.

  5. Wasi

    Gentle

    Tbh , cant see anyone go that high for Kola.
    Why?
    For starters , he is a defender and his poorest ability is his defending along with composure and decision making. He also has a panic button , which goes off as soon as he touches the ball.

    At best we could get 12mil + 2-3 mil in bonuses for him.

  6. Dissenter

    Honestly AMN under Arteta plays the full back position better than Soares, at the very least.What he lacked under Emery was that killer attitude, like not cuddling the player who cheated to<get you sent off.
    That’s one 4 year contract we could have done without.

    Just had to go there, I know but …

  7. The Backpass

    Azed.

    “You can always trust Le grove to revert to form after 24hrs.”

    Its not even up to 24hrs… I actually think Legrove is like a therapy to some people here.

  8. Gentlebris

    ‘I would say that over a Nick Pope is better/more consistent than Leno. Does not make extraordinary saves, but commit a lot less howlers than Leno.’

    Under no light is Pope better than Leno.

    When are you going to start appreciating our own players just a little bit?!

    Leno, until his injury, was our second best player.

    If you get fat Frank drunk, he would still choose Leno over Pope.

    Let the word get out that Leno is for sale, and you will be shocked at who are interested.

    We got Leno cheap because he lost some focus, but he has sufficiently put himself right at Arsenal.

    And tell me a goalkeeper who doesn’t call it wrong under a big club pressure sometimes!

  9. Nelson

    “I personally would be happy with 5th next season”

    That is a realistic view. The club and most of the fans wouldn’t share this view. They want a quick fix to get back to the CL ASAP. I am against signing over the hill star players with big salary. They may have a good year left. But then we can’t sell them and we are loaded with another big salary.

    Realistically, our chance of getting back to the CL next year is by winning the Europa Cup. After that, we’ll be in a better position financially to fight for top 4.

  10. Marko

    How could this guy have been languishing on our bench for so long?

    It’s not hard to grasp he’s been out on loan to several different clubs and has never done well enough during those loans bar Reading.

    As for the AMN comment yes you’re right me saying that AMN still isn’t good enough and that we should accept a decent offer for him is comparable to something Trump says. Very good obvious American person who’s obviously thick.

    It’s just a mentality thing around here I think (some) people are just desperate for someone like AMN to make it that they have to resort to illusions of grandeur when it comes to him. Take Pepe for example probably had his best game for us yesterday but it rarely gets a mention. That’s not to say AMN didn’t do well yesterday he did but overall in his Arsenal career and as a player he’s not good enough especially if we want to improve. Simple as that.

  11. Batistuta

    Valentin doesn’t even half hide his dislikeness for certain players, Pepe and Leno being the everyday scapegoats. Don’t think he’s ever written anything positive about Pepe lol.

    Anyway in no world is Nick Pope a better goalkeeper than Bernd Leno

  12. Bojangles

    The water break is being used because of the water weather. When the season restarts I do see it be utilized again.

  13. Batistuta

    Also if we’re getting a 20/25 million bid for AMN from the likes of Burnley or Brighton or whoever, I’d take the money and run. Can’t get sentimental about certain players now.

    We needed to build after the back to back FA Cup wins under Wenger and we didn’t and we stagnated, now is another chance to do so. Certain players have now tasted what it means to win a trophy especially the young guys and the older heads who haven’t won before, now we need to look at what we have and those who have not been good enough long term and make the necessary changes, hopefully the owner backs the manager financially too.

    Squad is at a point where a couple of right additions over 2/3 transfer windows gets us right back in the mix with the big boys, we have to smart and not sentimental really.

  14. Marko

    Just had to go there, I know but …

    Yeah I’ll have to go there too. Since the restart AMN has played full back once under Mikel in the final game against Watford. Other than that it was sub appearances as a CM or LM. So no doesn’t play the fullback position better than (insert whoever’s name)

  15. Gentlebris

    ‘For starters , he is a defender and his poorest ability is his defending along with composure and decision making. He also has a panic button , which goes off as soon as he touches the ball.’

    Wasi,

    Kola is a wingback who has been asked to play as a fullback and he can’t. If Conte had asked Victor Moses to play as a fullback in 2017-18, Victor Moses would have been a thing of ridicule.

    Then Kola is the kind who hates failure, unlike Ozil who doesn’t give a shit about failure, so it got to him a bit.

    Kola was the best Wingback in Germany when we captured him and he came here and rocked it up really well.

    His present disorientation is the only reason we are talking of £20m.

    A confident Kola as a wingback is easily £35m.

    Mustafi is a player like Kola too, they are species who can’t handle failures as failures erode their confidence.

    All Arteta did with Mustafi was give him confidence and we were worried he was not available for a final, who would have thought!

    Players valuation is not so white and Black like Marc thinks. But what do you expect from Marc?

  16. Dissenter

    It’s it hard to see why Ceballos was so highly rated and why he plays for Spain

    There was a moment yesterday where Dani was on the floor smashing his head and fist into the Wembley turf to celebrate Auba’s winning goal.
    At that point, it seems he’s no longer just the loanee . This is a player who just became Arsenalized.

    #signceballosnow.

  17. Marc

    Dissenter

    No mate watched the match in a local pub and was jumping around in there.

    The water breaks won’t be continued into next season, they were introduced because of the season running into summer.

  18. Marko

    Can’t get sentimental about certain players now.

    Knee jerk and sentimental go hand in hand with being an Arsenal fan. There’s so many examples of it AMN is this great full back all of a sudden and Rob Holding is an adequate addition to the squad after yesterday apparently. This team and particularly the defence still needs a bulldozer taken to it. Christ it’s like people forget about the Brighton, Villa and Watford games even took place or you know they can’t remember the whole season we just went through.

    Hopefully Mikel isn’t this blindsided

  19. Marc

    “A confident Kola as a wingback is easily £35m.”

    Whilst most of the Arsenal fan base is nursing a hangover someone’s clearly on the good stuff!

  20. Marko

    The water breaks won’t be continued into next season, they were introduced because of the season running into summer.

    Tea breaks coming soon

  21. G8

    What about Arteta dedicating the win to his life and football mentor Pep, and not a word to mention about the great Wenger! Does that change the view of some of the posters here!? Lol

  22. Dissenter

    I too would sell AMN at some point.
    We made it harder for him [or for ourselves] once we signed Soaress. He’s been made redundant.
    It’s the same position as Iwobi. He’s gone as far as he can at Arsenal and he’s easy money right now., easily worth £20-30 million.

    It’s not to do with his talent, just the expediency of a move.

  23. Marko

    Anyway new season starts in 7 weeks and we’ve even got the community shield in 4 weeks so one would imagine that with preseason already around the corner that transfers this summer will be much quicker than in previous summers. Dunno about the water breaks going into the next season but they may keep the 5 sub rule given the very quick turnaround on seasons. Players need some protecting

  24. Dissenter

    Gentlebris
    You’ll make a lot of money if you can sell these players at those prices you’re quoting.. Make a pitch to Raul quickly.
    You’ll earn fat commissions per completed sale but expect that the club will charge you a penalty for no-sales too.

  25. Dissenter

    Marc
    Did you love Xhaka a teeny-weeny bit yesterday for the BAFTA job he did on Kovacic yesterday?
    Just a little pat on the back for that guile….hmmmm

  26. Habesha Gooner

    Dissenter
    To be honest, It’s because there are suitors for him that I am advocating his sale. We need funds and all our other players are hars to move on as it stands.

    Sell Lacazette,Guendouzi, Sokratis,Holding, Balogun, Kolasinac and Elneny and I would keep him for next season to give a last chance to show he can cut it. If we raise at least 80 mil from player sales with out him with the reported a 30 mil budget, I think we might keep him and sign the players we want. But moving on these players for that is going to be tough. And we can afford to lose him. But we can’t afford not to improve because of lack of funds.

  27. The Godfather

    Danny Ceballos had a great game.
    At times he was the deepest and showing great composure in receiving and distributing under great duress but never panicking.

    Pure Spanish Class👍👍

    Really hope we can buy him and pair him
    with Partey

  28. Marc

    Dissenter

    I’ll bet you a cold beer on a sunny day that water breaks are gone next season.

    As for the Chelsea sending off – karma’s a bitch.

  29. Sid

    A little pat on the back for Xhaka yesterday, on wednesday, we will resume the kicks to his backside for all the wrongs he done

    Im telling you for free!

  30. Valentin

    In the top 5 European leagues, Leno has the highest number of mistakes that directly lead to a goal over the last two seasons. De Gea is trying very hard to catch up. Leno may be a brilliant shot stopper but he is also widly inconsistent. Chelsea, Olympiakos are just two examples of high profiles mistakes that cost points and games.

    On the other hand Nick Pope does not make brilliant saves but he rarely make those mistakes.
    Over a season, Nick Pope is a lot more consistent than Leno, he won’t make you extra points, but he won’t cost you as many games. So for a team that just want a consistent goalkeeper who keep out routine saves, Nick Pope would be the preferred option.

    However neither are world class goalkeepers. Also like I wrote neither are good under high ball, so in view of their weaknesses on set pieces Chelsea going after Nick Pope is surprising. The main argument in his favour is the fact that he is British and therefore has the home grown status.
    Peter Cech was a great goalkeeper and he must see something in him if he is recommending him to Chelsea. I doubt that Chelsea would go go against the advice of their special advisor who happen to be a former goalkeeper.

  31. Gentlebris

    ‘Kolasinac will never be worth 35 mil. Unless we are talking about another Kolasinac. If we can find someone willing to pay 15 mil we will have done well.’

    Habesha, I don’t know if Kola will get back to being a £35m player, but I know we can get £20m for him, and that’s is my point to the drunk who laughed at £20m for Kola.

    And you really don’t know if he will be a £35m player again like he surely was when we got him.

    Look at Adama Traore, he was not even getting play time at Wolves and now he could move for £30m and it would be a steal.

    Kola’s issue is 100% confidence related after you agree he’s not a fullback but a wingback.

    We don’t know how Kola will turn out, but you will never get Raul or Edu to sell him below £20m if Raul could insist on £35m for Iwobi.

    I think the big positive about the new regime is that Arsenal players are no longer the cheapest in the market. Balogun has never kicked a senior ball and Wenger would give him away for £2m. Now he’s £8m.

  32. CG

    Re: Leno

    Chelsea need a good keeper
    Arsenal don’t need 2 of them.
    Offer Leno for Kante.

    Everyone wins- Arsenal then don’t need the overrated and over hyped destroyer Partey then.

  33. Gentlebris

    Dissenter,

    The TW is here, right? You wait and see.

    Raul will show you he can do other things aside from spending £72m on player.

    Then tell me sincerely, did you see Iwobi for £35m?

  34. Freddie Ljungberg

    Gentle

    Kola is on 100k+ a week, no one is giving him that and paying 20m+ for him.

    Iwobi was on low wages, young so scope for improvement and had the English premium and Everton still overpaid. Rumours they’re trying to get rid already.

  35. salparadisenyc

    2020 Fa Cup champions, a nice thing after the shit we’ve endured this season. AMN was fantastic, interested to see what happens to him this summer.

  36. Gentlebris

    ‘Chelsea need a good keeper
    Arsenal don’t need 2 of them.
    Offer Leno for Kante.’

    CG,

    No amount of weed could make Chelsea approve that. Kante imo is the best DM in the premier league. Sarri stopped his rapid growth but he is still good.

    Btw, why are people employing Sarri?

  37. Moray

    Great performance all round yesterday. Relegating those cunts up the road to several layers of qualification is a fantastic result. Results have definitely come behind Tets and I hope we’re all feeling positive for the transformation ahead. Watching the post match celebrations, it’s clear that Tets and Luiz are very close, so this probably explains the extension for him. If a player is good in the changing room then he’s worth keeping around, particularly with our young kids coming through.

    I think we would take reasonable offers for most of our players, if they come. Who knows what the market’s worth? This year more than ever it will be a question of the Petro dollar funded brands spending first and then the cash bleeding through the system to the rest.

    I’m also inclined to keep Auba for a final year, unless a decent offer comes through. 20m or so won’t compensate for his goals. And you need someone like that during a transformation. Injury aside, he’s a rainmaker.

    The injuries to Mustafi and Chambers mean it has to be Sok and Holding who are moved on so far as is possible.

    We have a new And promising CB joining. If we could add to that, say, Partey via tx with Guen and Coutinho on loan. A few out. We would have had a good summer

  38. TR7

    AMN

    Nothing knee jerkish about AMN. He was always a talented player. His performances haven’t been great but now looks like he is finally doing some justice to his talent.

  39. Moray

    Kola’s on a bosman salary. If we do get rid of him, that’s eating up most – if not all – of a transfer fee. Let’s be realistic here.

    Plus, he’s shit.

  40. Gentlebris

    ‘Kola is on 100k+ a week, no one is giving him that and paying 20m+ for him.’

    Freddie,

    Nothing say Kola wouldn’t take a paycut to get back to the top as everyone is not Ozil.

    No way at Arsenal for him as Wingback as we have Tierney, Saka and could keep AMN, and Kola knows this.

    He looks like the kinda guy who would take a £30% pay cut to prove a point at Inter, Napoli, Sevilla, Villarreal and so on.

  41. CG

    GB

    “””CG,No amount of weed could make Chelsea approve that. Kante imo is the best DM in the premier league. Sarri stopped his rapid growth but he is still good.””

    Chelsea have too many midfielders.
    Kante could be available.

    If the Fat Spiv has any imagination or competence – (I have completely given up on Edu) he could use Leno as a huge bargaining chip to Arsenals advantage.

    We may still be useless.
    But we do have the best 2 goalkeepers around.

  42. Batistuta

    But if you got a good enough offer for the likes of AMN you have to take it no?

    Can’t keep him because he’s had a few good games in my opinion. We need the money too so of someone offers outrageous money, you take it and thank him for his services and wish him well

  43. TR7

    Dissenter

    ‘I too would sell AMN at some point.
    We made it harder for him [or for ourselves] once we signed Soaress. He’s been made redundant.
    It’s the same position as Iwobi. He’s gone as far as he can at Arsenal and he’s easy money right now., easily worth £20-30 million.’

    You were the only one on here who rated Iwobi. He was always a nothing player. We mugged off Everton by selling him for 40M when he wasn’t worth even 4M. Don’t compare a championship player with AMN. AMN has not gone as far as he could, there’s plenty more to come from him.

  44. CG

    TR7

    “”””AMN has not gone as far as he could, there’s plenty more to come from him.””””

    Well said,

    Oodles and oodles to come.
    Prodigious., this one.

  45. Batistuta

    Not everyone will make it at the big clubs talent or otherwise really, a couple of weeks back we all would have taken a 20 million bid for AMN and waved goodbye and surely that shouldn’t change now, same with the likes of Torriera and Holding to an extent really.

    Top coaches and managers have a ruthless side and i hope we see that with Arteta this summer

  46. GS88

    Let’s hope that we can make some positive moves in the transfer market this week.

    Theres also a lot of unwanted players still to move on.

    If we can’t get our first targets, then keep it moving, and let’s try to nab our second targets.

    Let’s not long it out!

  47. Marko

    TR7 it is extremely knee jerkish. Lad is the definition of a bit part player he gets moved around he can’t hold down one position. And considering the amount of poor performances compared to the good ones it is knee jerk to say he’s good enough yes. Even yesterday credit where credit is due he played well but the way some people talk about him you’d swear he was immense. He made some good runs forward but then didn’t know what he wanted to do when he got there. The best thing about him yesterday was that he kept getting back into position and I give him credit for that. But compared to others who barely get a mention and you compare his performance to that of Tierney who except for the beginning of the game where Mount gave him trouble on the goal he was strong composed and pinging balls for Aubameyang to run onto he was superb. Going forward AMN will be at best what he is now a squad player filling in until we get better and that’s it. If we can get 20 million for him absolutely accept it and move on to better things

  48. Dissenter

    TR7
    That’s precisely my point though.
    AMN’s case is no different from Iwobi. Even though I rated him I had no problems with us selling him for good money.

    We have bought the replacement for AMN already. It’s time to let him go pursue his dreams elsewhere. He can’t even hold down one position to be back-up for.

  49. Marko

    Let’s not delude ourselves yes yesterday was great and all but we’re still shit and in need of massive improvements across the squad. Not just little tweaks here and there because we won another FA Cup. This squad these players are left wanting over the course of a whole season and in pivotal moments. That needs to get addressed simple as

  50. Dissenter

    Gentle
    I didn’t think Everton would have more money than common sense.
    Had they come in with an initial offer of 15 million early, we would have asked for 20 million and moved on. They had to wait until the 11th hour and we gladly fleeced them.

  51. Gentlebris

    ‘We mugged off Everton by selling him for 40M when he wasn’t worth even 4M. ‘

    Well, I disagree.

    Iwobi is an average player who went to a shit team. Close your eyes and imagine Iwobi inside Leeds’ set up.

    Everton paid that money because they saw that most of our 2018-19 play was via the left side, and this left side was all Kola and Iwobi. And we beat in form Napoli and peak Valencia over two legs in knockouts.

    Though most people here would swear now that those two were shit during that period.

  52. bennydevito

    Pedro are you hung over or letting the comments break rhe record?

    What a great day yesterday was. Had the missus & kids all geared up in Arsenal shirts and had a family Arsenal day.

    My nephew Danny finally lost his 8 year battle with bowel cancer in the week and he was a massive Arsenal fan too, so a fitting victory all round.

    Gotta say I’m loving Arteta, absolutely loving it. Well done Pedro.

  53. Gentlebris

    We scored only one goal at the Europa final. A screamer! Who did? Iwobi.

    Nigeria has lots of attacking talents in the national team, it wasn’t for fun that the German boss insists Iwobi should be playing 10.

  54. GS88

    AMN never really impressed me before. And even though he has improved slightly under Arteta, I’m still not totally sold on him.

    I think if we can get say between £20-25m for him, we should sell him.

    Feel that there are far better players in the world market that would improve us immensely.

    He’s not a title winning fullback/wingback/midfielder. More of a squad player at best.

  55. Gentlebris

    ‘Peak Valencia? Was Pablo Aimar and Gaizka Mendieta playing for them? Maybe David Villa or Silva?’

    That was the best Valencia side in at least five years, so peak….recently if you care to add.

  56. TR7

    Dissenter

    ‘He can’t even hold down one position to be back-up for.’

    What are you talking about ? Tell me except Tiernney who is a better full back in our squad than AMN ?

  57. Habesha Gooner

    All We are saying is remember Joel Campbell. We had an offer of 15 mil and we turned it down. It’s always good to sell players that have been around for three years haven’t taken their chance for good money. That’s how you move forward. Liverpool sold Solanke for 18 mil, Ine for 15 and Ings for 20 mil. The ood one might do great elsewhere but if your recruitment is right you won’t miss players like this.

  58. Marko

    What are you talking about ? Tell me except Tiernney who is a better full back in our squad than AMN ?

    Are you justifying keeping him because our full backs aren’t good enough? I mean I don’t really rate Bellerin that much anymore and think we should sell him this summer but even he is better than AMN. I don’t think Cedric should be anything more than a back up RB for us but I still think he’s better than AMN. Look what it boils down is AMN is a squad player at best AT BEST and if we can get decent money for him and put that towards addressing starting positions then why the hell wouldn’t we.

  59. TR7

    Marko

    ‘This squad these players are left wanting over the course of a whole season and in pivotal moments. That needs to get addressed simple as’

    Agreed but if it were up to me I would offload at least 5 other players before I would even think about AMN – Kolasinac, Ozil, Mustafi, Xhaka and Sokratis.

  60. Marko

    We had an offer of 15 mil and we turned it down. It’s always good to sell players that have been around for three years haven’t taken their chance for good money

    This is very true. Sell when his value is up why piss around for a few more years in desperate hope that he’ll kick on when his value will likely go down.

    Anyway I feel like a very important part is being missed in all this discussion in that AMN changed agents a while back in the hopes of leaving so he’s already thinking about leaving the club. Thankfully.

  61. Marko

    Bellerin probably but Soares better than AMN ? Can’t agree at all.

    Is Cedric a natural RB? Then he’s better than AMN. Played and held down the position longer than a few games filling in for injured players? Then he’s better than AMN

  62. Habesha Gooner

    AMN isn’t a RB. Cedric is a Euro winning fullback. He isn’t amazing but you don’t keep out Semedo and Cancelo by being a Nothing player. AMN can be a good midfielder in the future but I doubt he will make it as a fullback for any premier league team. Brighton are targeting him to play him in midfield. They have Tariq lamptey at RB. And he isn’t going to dislodge him even at Brighton.

  63. Marko

    Agreed but if it were up to me I would offload at least 5 other players before I would even think about AMN – Kolasinac, Ozil, Mustafi, Xhaka and Sokratis.

    So these types of comments usually come out in defence of a player it’s honestly mind boggling to me. You’re arguing the merits of a player but saying that we should sell him 5th or 6th in a list of players that should be gone from the club? That makes no sense. Besides that there’s no pecking order for getting rid of players if there’s interest in AMN get rid of him don’t wait until fucking Ozil or Mustafi are gone literally just get rid of him.

    Also I’m starting to notice Lacazette is getting forgotten in a lot of people’s lists. He’s getting older his contract is running down what he adds to us is questionable and he’s a sellable asset. He needs selling this summer

  64. TR7

    If you go back to what they have done till date, obviously Soares has done more as a footballer than AMN. But if you are looking at the next 2-3 years, AMN has the potential to offer much more than Soares. I did not even mean to say Soares was a bad player, it is just that his best days are probably behind him.

  65. Champagne Charlie

    “It’s always good to sell players that have been around for three years haven’t taken their chance for good money“

    Not always the best outcome because players can blossom right after, but it’s absolutely the right kind of approach to take.

    Players like Chambers, Holding, AMN, Elneny should all have been under heavy review after a couple of seasons in and around the first team.

    We kept Chambers after he won player of the year at Fulham, that was a prime example of a 20 mil bid being disregarded for a player that isn’t the right fit for this club. Can’t do that and then clamour for squad upheaval. Makes no sense.

  66. Gentlebris

    ‘All We are saying is remember Joel Campbell. We had an offer of 15 mil and we turned it down. It’s always good to sell players that have been around for three years haven’t taken their chance for good money. That’s how you move forward. ‘

    Habesha,

    Remember Gnabry? He was around for a bit and didn’t take his chance, an offer came in that seemed his level and we took it.

  67. Champagne Charlie

    “Besides that there’s no pecking order for getting rid of players “

    Then…

    “Also I’m starting to notice Lacazette is getting forgotten in a lot of people’s lists. He’s getting older his contract is running down what he adds to us is questionable and he’s a sellable asset“

    Sounds a lot like a pecking order, and that’s no different to posters wanting to prioritise their choice of players for X reason.

    It’s not invalidated because you disagree.

  68. Wasi

    ‘A confident Kola as a wingback is easily £35m.’

    Seriously mate ?

    Kola never was , is and probably never will be a 35m player. He is a wing back, I agree there but his delivery is very poor. Crossing is one of the key aspects of a wing back and Kolasinac is poor at that too. Add to that his poor positioning , composure , his inability to beat a press and his panic mode and that makes him a poor wing back too.
    His only good quality is bulldozing to the by-line.
    And his pace and power combo.
    Other than that he is a poor player full back or wing back.

    And in no modern Football , I can only really think of 2 managers who stick with a back 3 through thick and thin. Conte and recently Wilder.
    And none of those 2 will buy him. Not even for 20 mil.

    Most of the managers like to have a player who can play wing back and full back both , eg. Tierney , Chilwell ,etc.

    So , all in all nobody will Ever pay 35 mil for Kolasinac.
    If he had a better cross in him , then I can imagine Conte wanting him but that figure is just an imaginary amount.

  69. GunnerDNA

    Unpopular opinion but I wouldn’t sell AMN or Rob Holding. Mari, Sores, Mustafi, Sokratis and SK should be sold before those two imo

  70. Dissenter

    TR7
    Are you suggesting AMN is a starter?

    Me…I’m not knocking him for a lack of ability. I just think we’ve rendered him redundant the moment we signed Soares to a 4 year contract.
    I didn’t think we should have signed Sores because AMN was good enough as back-up. I had rolling arguments with Marc about this specific point.

    The train left the station already regarding AMN, we have made choices that make it difficult to keep him.

  71. Habesha Gooner

    Gentlebris
    We sold Gnabry because there was a year left on his contract. We still saw potential to be great and he refused to stay. He wasn’t given enough chances. Wenger played theo Walcott ahead of him. This is totally different. AMN has had chances. And he hasn’t convinced us he will have something to bring. If in two years willock is on the same boat we should sell him too. We did great with Iwobi. Some players might slip through the cracks but that’s football. Everyone you let go will not suck. Some will be decent players.

  72. Champagne Charlie

    “Unpopular opinion but I wouldn’t sell AMN or Rob Holding. Mari, Sores, Mustafi, Sokratis and SK should be sold before those two imo“

    Not sure “unpopular” is the right word..

    You want to sell two players we just signed, and who have barely featured, vs players that have been here 4/5 years and done next to nothing?

    I’d laugh if you weren’t being deadly serious.

  73. Marko

    But if you are looking at the next 2-3 years, AMN has the potential to offer much more than Soares.

    I don’t agree with that. I think you’ll find history especially recent history with regards to footballers is a decent indicator of a near future. AMN in the last two three seasons hasn’t shown nearly enough to suggest that the next two three seasons would be any different and that’s just being honest. 20 million or what’s being discussed is about as well as we can get for the player.

  74. TR7

    ‘So these types of comments usually come out in defence of a player it’s honestly mind boggling to me. You’re arguing the merits of a player but saying that we should sell him 5th or 6th in a list of players that should be gone from the club?’

    There is not a single player in our team who can’t be upgraded upon if we find a replacement in transfer market. So everyone is in the pecking order in a way. People say sell AMN if we get 25M. Well I can say sell Auba if we get 80M.

  75. Marko

    Can’t do that and then clamour for squad upheaval. Makes no sense.

    Very true.

    Sounds a lot like a pecking order, and that’s no different to posters wanting to prioritise their choice of players for X reason.

    It’s not at all I don’t have a pecking order outside of players who are sellable assets and who offer little to the team.

  76. Dissenter

    AMN has developed that killer attitude [I apologize if it comes off badly]. He didn’t have enough nasty in him i the last and it still grates me that he hugged Madison after the guy dived twice to get him two yellow cards in the same game.

    Now he has that focus with Arteta but we made squad moved that make it harder for him. If he wants to do something special with his career like have a chance at playing for England someday, then he has to leave.
    Before people laugh that possibility away, he was the only Arsenal player in the England squad that won the FIFA U-20 WC.

  77. Un na naai

    MarkoAugust 2, 2020 13:33:44
    TR7 it is extremely knee jerkish. Lad is the definition of a bit part player he gets moved around he can’t hold down one position. And considering the amount of poor performances compared to the good ones it is knee jerk to say he’s good enough yes

    😂
    Yet another nugget of wisdom from our resident football monk.
    Even if what you said is correct, What’s wrong with a quality utility player Marko? Never heard of James Milner? Ray parlour? Phil Neville? John O’Shea? Gilles Grimandi?

  78. Marko

    Fair enough TR7 but when you say I’d sell this this and this before I’d sell AMN you’re literally making a set of circumstances to keep him. But anyway.

  79. Dissenter

    CC
    ‘ You want to sell two players we just signed, and who have barely featured, vs players that have been here 4/5 years and done next to nothing?’

    Maybe we shouldn’t have given long term contracts to players with dubious ability when we had players that probably needed better coaching and may have done better.
    We can’t have our cake and eat it, something has to give.

    The next to nothing Holding has played in 2 winning FA cup finals.
    AMN is a better baller than Soares and he’s not a natural full back. I believe GunnerDNA’s point is that the squad additions are no better than the player they re replacing.

  80. Marko

    What’s wrong with a quality utility player Marko? Never heard of James Milner? Ray parlour? Phil Neville? John O’Shea? Gilles Grimandi?

    They were all consistent starters for their clubs you fucking idiot. AMN isn’t. At all. And won’t be if we have aspirations to improve ourselves. Jaysus

  81. Un na naai

    I don’t agree with that. I think you’ll find history especially recent history with regards to footballers is a decent indicator of a near future.

    Marko clearly hasn’t been paying attention to xakha, Mustafi and Martinez. Nor does he remember the form of Torres, Sanchez and ozil dropping off a cliff

    Yeah
    Recent history
    Even after a great cup win and plaudit drawing performances he’s grinding that axe of his

  82. Nelson

    Arsenal fans flout rules as they go wild on the streets of London to celebrate Mikel Arteta’s men winning the FA Cup at Wembley.

    No wonder Marc is no where to be seen this morning.

  83. Un na naai

    They were all consistent starters for their clubs you fucking idiot. AMN isn’t. At all. And won’t be if we have aspirations to improve ourselves. Jaysus

    Yes he is you bell end. And no. Utility players do not have to be consistent starters. You need to start learning the difference between the thoughts clanging around that mutton head of yours and actually reality. You know, what happens outside of Marko’s head

  84. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    That flimsy argument is on the basis that both your assertions are right, with little evidence to show in either case.

    Holding and AMN for instance have been here 4 years and neither has cemented a role but they’re valued, meanwhile Mari and Cedric have been here 4 games and they’re already not at the level.

    See the genius at work? Yea me either.

  85. Un na naai

    AMN has started 26 games this season for arsenal. How is that not regular? Participated in 32
    Started half our games since lockdown and called upon when we face big sides.

    I’d say you’re clutching Marko

  86. Gentlebris

    ‘AMN has had chances. And he hasn’t convinced us he will have something to bring. ‘
    Habesha,

    I think AMN has been showing what he can do under a tactically solid coach these days.

    I’m of the opinion we must get his head away from a particular role and get him to focus on his given role.

    Seeing Xhaka slipping and wondering why he can’t be tried there is perhaps the reason for his momentary lack of in-game concentration.

    But if a coach could get him sorted, we have a big player in there I believe.

    He can run, he can do one on one, he can defend with confidence in big moments like he just did against Citey and Chelsea, and he seems to have good abilities to understand given tactical instructions. Plus he seems to be an overall big game player.

    Give him at least half a season, if he doesn’t tear it up we can still sell for good money in the winter when some teams are sure to be under duress across Europe.

  87. Leftfootcurler

    What a great result yesterday.

    So Arteta beat Man city,Liverpool,Man utd,Chelsea and Wolves with an athletically deficient midfield and an athletically deficient defence which makes a lot of unforced errors.

    What a fucking manager.

    Now,the most important thing is to get Auba’s contract extended.
    If Auba leaves,no point trying to get top 4.
    Start project youth then.

    We don’t have the money to buy a goalscorer like Auba.
    Pepe played well but there was space in behind.
    Real test for him is against low blocks.
    That’s where his off the ball movement will be tested.

    To this team,as I have said before,I would add a creative passing winger and Partey in terms of signings needed for top 4.

    I mentioned likes of Grealish,Maddison,Buendia,Brandt,Coutinho as possible additions

    Partey is the best signing as a DM-CM hybrid even if we didn’t have financial restrictions.

    The best creative LW we could buy if Money was no object is Jadon Sancho.

    But even Sancho+Partey is not going to carry Auba less Arsenal to top 4.

    We must get Auba’s contract extended.

  88. Un na naai

    You want to sell two players we just signed, and who have barely featured, vs players that have been here 4/5 years and done next to nothing?

    Next to nothing Charlie?
    One has played very well in two fa cup final wins against Chelsea and the other has been our new tactical master coach’s go to man in successfully thwarting the most dangerous teams in the country/world whilst winning a cup of his own.

    Not sure if I’d call that next to nothing.

  89. Habesha Gooner

    I think most arsenal fans go with sentimentality when judging a young player from the academy or if he signed for peanuts. Player turnover is an absolute must for a top team. We need to give chances to the next batch of Academy players while selling those who have underperformed. It’s how you stay ahead of the game. Keeping AMN will be based on sentimentality than logic.

    And I don’t know why people are labeling Mari a bad signing before he has even played 10 games. People were saying Tierney was a dud because he was injured too. Criticizing a player before you have even seen him play is ridiculous. I am sure no one has seen him play for flamengo for extended periods. Give the guy a chance first. It’s poor judgment saying he is a poor signing before he has even played enough times for us.

  90. Dissenter

    CC
    ‘ Holding and AMN for instance have been here 4 years and neither has cemented a role but they’re valued, meanwhile Mari and Cedric have been here 4 games and they’re already not at the level’

    Aaagh, you made that one up
    Mari and Soares has doubtful abilities before they joined us. Spa played at Southampton for three seasons and was never a stained-out in the league. He was so good Southampton were letting him leave in a free. Mari was a journeyman no other European club [after city] would offer a contract to. He had to leave for Brazil to find his way back in.

  91. Champagne Charlie

    Un

    Yea you’ve just proven my point, for a 4 year resume you’re handing AMN the “go to” player in a 5 game stretch.

    If bids are there for either the club should be selling and reinvesting. Same situation as Chambers last season but you were on here again telling us about how he’s just bossed it at Fulham and was going to have a world of a season here.

    You’re duped by English players and all too willing to wait and wait until they eventually come good. It’s a foolish exercise.

  92. Gentlebris

    Then what are we gonna say if AMN goes to Leeds for £20m now, do a big wow season at Leeds and move across to Liverpool/United/Chelsea/Citey for £55m next summer?

    I almost dropped a tear when I saw Gnabry scoring those wonder goals against Chelsea during the last CL fixtures.

    I’m not in hurry for us to do another one.

  93. Marc

    I think a few on here need to start preparing themselves for the fact that Mari has been bought as a first choice CB. Arteta knows about him from Man City, no way we buy a CB when the manager has first hand knowledge of him and would’ve said he’s not suitable for the PL. The two questions right now are what formation will Arteta look to play next season and how quickly will Saliba settle / become first choice?

  94. Un na naai

    Charlie

    He’s 22. How many 22 year olds outside of elite talent come through the ranks to become starters for a top club like arsenal? Not many.
    Either way it seems AMN is preferred in this specific role and he’s performing it well.

  95. Tom

    Martinez( Wenger) 9/10
    Bellerin ( Wenger) 8/10
    Tierney ( Non Wenger) 7/10
    AMN ( Wenger ) 9/10
    Holding ( Wenger ) 8/10
    Luiz(Non Wenger ) 8/10
    Cebollas ( Non Wenger ) 7/10
    Xhaka ( Wenger) 7/10
    Lacazette ( Wenger) 8/10
    PEA ( Wenger) 10/10
    Pepe( non Wenger ) 6/10Arteta ( signed by Wenger) 9/10
    (Would have 10/10 but no Arsenal blazer.)X 9 players signed by Arsene Wenger.I don’t think its unreasonable to state
    Our Wenger has now won 7.5 FA Cups now.

    CG
    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence the two none Wenger signings were the poorest performers on the day lol.

    Followed by “CG is a fool “comments of course, when in reality what CG did there is what 98% of LG posters do around here ( make a definitive statement about a player early on and spend the following months or years cherry picking evidence to re-enforce said statement)except he takes it to extreme.

    How many “Tierney is a crock who will never be fit enough to justify his price tag “ angry posts have there been written by CG ?
    Not many lately though lol.

  96. salparadisenyc

    Not always about agenda Marko, you’ve gone deep on AMN a player I wasn’t into as well. Your really showing shades of Le Groves ex wife with the inability to bend on certain things.

    One can admit AMN has found another gear of late and there may be far more there than many of us thought. Under Arteta he’s found some purpose he lacked with previous managers, like I said very curious to see what happens to him this summer.

  97. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    Cedric and Mari had doubtful abilities beforehand? More doubtful than Holding and AMN?

    One is a 40-time Portugal international and was Southamptons starting RB for 5 years, the other was much later to the professional scene but won the league last year in Brazil at the heart of a defence.

    Rob Holding pocketed Costa one time and AMN was excellent in an England under 23’s tourney is the comparison. Please get a grip.

  98. Nelson

    Arteta:“I had only one mission when I came here and it was to make the players and the staff believe that we could do it. ”

    He has made the supports believe that we can!

  99. Marc

    AMN has found another gear right around the time he’s announced he wants to leave.

    Someone remind me when did RVP suddenly manage to stay fit and have his best season for us?

  100. Champagne Charlie

    Un

    I don’t want to hear the age rubbish, you’re talking to someone who said we should sell Bellerin and have AMN at RB to absolute ridicule on here.

    I’ve got plenty of time for his ability, but Arsenal have no money and he’s not delivered for Arsenal in any meaningful amount. So if there’s 20 mil bids floating about then the club is mugging itself off by letting another one slip by.

    Joel Campbell was 15 mil
    Chambers was 20 mil
    Nelson was 20 mil

    The club has to have more ruthless a stance and back itself to go again. Otherwise what’s the point? How are we developing? There’s plenty of players I’d sell before him, but he’s not one to desperately cling to.

  101. Marc

    CC

    Mari was also part of the defence that kept Liverpool at bay during the World Club Cup whatever.

    He’s been bought for a reason.

  102. Champagne Charlie

    Marc

    But is he as good as Holding who everyone has seen for 4 years? Obvious answer is no apparently, after a YouTube video someone saw.

  103. Marc

    CC

    I have no idea, I haven’t actually said Mari is a good player. I’m just looking at events and circumstances and pointing out the obvious.

  104. Un na naai

    Champagne CharlieAugust 2, 2020 14:52:16
    Un I don’t want to hear the age rubbish, you’re talking to someone who said we should sell Bellerin and have AMN at RB to absolute ridicule on here.

    Charlie
    Big double standards mate
    You don’t want to bring age into it with AMN even though it’s vital to the discussion yet when it comes to Mari you’re happy to make excuses for his lack of a career until 25 years of age.

    Yeah, AMN May fetch 20-25m but Leno would fetch more and looks to be a reserve keeper now. Let’s sell him.

  105. CG

    Tom

    “””””How many “Tierney is a crock who will never be fit enough to justify his price tag “ angry posts have there been written by CG
    Not many lately though lol.””””

    Tierney, like Luiz have been playing well in recent weeks, granted.

    That’s because they are playing in a back 5.

    The exact moment, they are playing in an isolated back 4, I will predict:

    Luiz will get more red cards,
    And Tierney will get more injuries.

    I stand by my Tierney comments.
    Not robust enough for the Prem.

    (Although he is an immensely likeable player.)

    A throwback to the days ,when I played( I was a useful wing – half ……Swindon Town enquired about me ,once.)

  106. Marc

    Un

    I can’t see Leno sitting on the bench as a number 2 for very long so unless Arteta is going to reinstate him as No 1 I think he will be sold. I think you also need to get your head round AMN being sold this window.

  107. Un na naai

    Rob Holding pocketed Costa one time and AMN was excellent in an England under 23’s tourney is the comparison. Please get a grip.

    Lol
    I’d say both achievements are more notable than anything Mari has done. The copa libertadores or being Portugal’s 4th choice Rb is hardly the summit of footballing achievement is it?

  108. Champagne Charlie

    Un

    Yea huge double standards.. what excuses did I offer about Mari appearing at the top level late again?

    “other was much later to the professional scene but won the league last year in Brazil at the heart of a defence“

    Literally state it’s what’s he’s done the past year that’s given license for what he’ll give us now. AMN and Holding don’t have nearly enough of that over a 4 year period at the club.

    No double standard whatsoever.

    “Yeah, AMN May fetch 20-25m but Leno would fetch more and looks to be a reserve keeper now. Let’s sell him.“

    Yep, the guy in the running with Auba for our player of the season should go before AMN. Makes perfect sense.

  109. John Munoz

    I’m wondering what the most pressing need us for the team? I’d suggest that the biggest need is a CAM. Partey would be an excellent addition no doubt but we need creativity to release all of the attacking talent we have up front.

  110. TR7

    Charlie

    I think you back every decision of Arteta to the hilt and change your previously stated position on players to align with that of Arteta. You have taken a complete U turn on Guen. Now you are trying to argue Soares is more esteemed a player than AMN. Is that because Soares has been handed a long term contract by Arteta ? Before Arteta was appointed you were of the view all our players could be be improved by right coaching and now you are advocating we sell AMN.

  111. Habesha Gooner

    Selling Leno is a big No. Keep Emi as No1 when the season starts. If he sustains it through the whole of next season then we will talk about selling Leno and bringing an understudy to Emi.

  112. Un na naai

    One is a 40-time Portugal international and was Southamptons starting RB for 5 years, the other was much later to the professional scene but won the league last year in Brazil at the heart of a defence.

    Charlie the above seems to be excuse making for Mari having a comparable career trajectory to Dean Windass
    And Leno isn’t going to be much use to anyone on the arsenal bench next season
    I also wouldnt lend too much credit to our third best player in our worst season in premier league history either

  113. Marko

    One can admit AMN has found another gear of late and there may be far more there than many of us thought

    Of late. He’s started one league game since the restart and outside of the semi and final he’s been average to poor. I don’t get it how are people so easily convinced given how mostly poor he’s been.

    Also sal you’re one to talk about agendas. My only agenda is that Arsenal rid themselves of piss poor players and improve the squad. That’s it.

  114. Sid

    You over there, we won the FA cup because of Auba lion,
    your infamous behind has been on his case, let that sink in,
    Im telling you for free!