Arteta having a classic Wenger-week-in-Feb

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Well HOWDY GOOD MORNING TO YOU all.

This week is a bit of a lol right? It’s like a typical February post-2007. We’d be in every competition, performances might be creeking, but you’d be confident that THIS was the year. Then three games would creep up on us and we’d be out the league, Champions League and FA Cup in one week.

Arteta looks like he’s picking up a bit of that magic from his old boss. We lost the North London Derby, we’re about to get a light/heavy spanking from Liverpool, then we go to Wembley for an improbable semi-final.

It is what it is.

He seemed pretty upbeat in the press conference. Maybe he’s not reading the NO IMPROVEMENT merchants and he saw this comment from CC in the comments.

Here’s a a quick snippet of goals FOR and AGAINST we’ve seen throughout the season at different points….

Week 13 – Emery’s last game: 18, 19
Week 18 – Freddie’s last game: 24, 27
Week 35 – now: 51, 44

Which breaks down as…

Emery: 18, 19 (-1)
Freddie: 6, 8 (-2)
Arteta: 27, 17 (+7)

Or…

Emery: 1.38 goals per game, 1.46 goals against per game
Freddie: 1.2 goals per game, 1.6 goals against per game
Arteta: 1.59 goals per game, 1 goal against per game.

It’s late so sue me for any inaccuracies, but its pretty evident we’re scoring more and conceding less PER GAME with Arteta. Otherwise coined as ‘no improvement’.

Core themes in the presser remained that we played well but allowed mistakes to kill us. I think the fact we didn’t get battered and largely controlled the game is his solace, though tactically, it’s hard not to think that Mourinho giving you ball and waiting for mistakes is him controlling the game.

His other theme was about progressing the club forward. He’s very careful with his words, but he keeps reminding everyone that the reason Liverpool are where they are is they made consistently good decisions on players. They were strategic, smart, and they pushed the club forward.

‘Yeah. What they have done is phenomenal, obviously the first two years it took them some time to rebuild the squad and to create a new culture, a new philosophy and a game model that suited the coach. Then they started to recruit every single player in relation to what they needed and that’s where I think they were really smart. They bought with specificity for every position that was required. Financially they had a big backing and made some big signings which completely changed the club in my opinion.’

I think it’s fair to say that the first transfer window can be written off as a hangover from yesteryear. David Luiz and Cedric Soares weren’t my kind of deals, but you can rationalise why they happened because of the state of the squad and the lack of options. Moving into this summer, we can’t be topping up our squad with more players like that. We have to be strategic about who we sign and what the path forward is.

We don’t just want Champions League qualification, we want a squad that can grow into that competition and win it. I know that sounds mad, but you have to shoot for the stars. That means signing players that ‘might’ drag you over the top 4 line is a losing game (it’s also a game we’ve played for 3 years and it hasn’t worked). If this current squad gets us into the top 4 next season with the addition of Willian and some other players looking for a retirement fund, what happens next? They can’t sustain it. We can’t sell them. Our squad is worse off for it. That’s why the better bet would be to sign up players that have the pedigree to make Champions League, but could grow when we make it there.

The big dollars, if we have any, must go on the core this summer. We need a ball-playing centre-back, we need a #6 like Partey, and we need an #8 that is ready to roll. Then we need to upgrade with players that fit the Arteta mold.

We’re being linked with Marc Roca, I’m not shocked. Technical, creative and quick thinker. Our midfield doesn’t create without players like that. We don’t just need one player like that, we need to start building a conveyor belt of them.

Supporting Emery came at a great cost. We brought in someone without understanding what he wanted to do on the pitch, and because his hire wasn’t on merit, no one paid attention to what he wanted. Now we have a coach with a much clearer articulation of what he wants to do. I suspect he has more sway with the staff. He’s Edu’s hire. Hopefully that means something because another incoherent summer and we’re in big trouble. This is more on Klopp.

I know how many decisions have to be right and how much support you need from the club and the people around, and how much connection you to have to generate from your fans to have the full package, and afterwards it’s football. The context right now is different to what it was as well four years ago and the abilities for a club to rebuild something is more limited, but it’s certainly something we have to look at and how they did it because it’s a great example. But we have to know that we have to do it our way with our resources and have it in mind that the content right now is different, but we are heading to be the best and this is my only objective with this club. We have to find a way to do it.

The ambition is to be the best. Not Europa League winners. Not top 4. To get back to the very top. It’s an ambition right for Arsenal, the question is, can it be supported? We’ll find out.

To start, we have to navigate Liverpool at home who are on the charge for the Premier League points record. He was asked if he’d rest players so we had a better chance at the weekend.

I believe that it’s very important to have energy and momentum going into important matches, and in order to do that you have to go game by game. Today and tomorrow we will asses the players and how they are, and obviously they’ve been hit and a lot of them have played some crazy minutes up until now and again we’re going to have games every two and a half days. We will try to put the strongest team out as possible here and as well on Saturday, and to do that we need to know how everyone recovers from the game.

I think he’s desperate to turnover Liverpool. He needs a restart statement win and I’m not sure Wolves quite counts in his mind. I think the idea of Arsenal keeping their concentration for 90 minutes is quite hard to fathom, but we’ve seen crazier things. The weekend game is where it’s at, City have had plenty of bad days this season and their away record isn’t great. Making an FA Cup final would be a different kind of statement.

Let’s see what happens, have a great day.

P.S. Arteta’s opinions on City and FFP were factual but missed the point. City are where they are because they pump a nation’s cash into the project. That result was the final nail in the coffin for Fairplay in football. It also makes a mockery of Ivan G and Wenger telling us for 10 years that when the rules kicked in, we’d be positioned to take advantage.

Now it’s clear. You either have a sugar daddy, or you don’t. I think it’s bad for the game. Bayern don’t have a sugar daddy, but they are financially dominant and just won the league for the 8th year in a row. The Spanish League is fairly locked. Juventus always win in Italy. Paris will always win unless they rehire Emery. The only saving grace our league has is it’s basically 8 mega-rich owners slugging it out. Football isn’t fair and it’s getting more and more unfair. In the end, people will get bored if there isn’t a competition. We’re a way off that but it isn’t beyond the realms that people could lose interest.

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  1. salparadisenyc

    What an absolute joke FFP turned out to be, really looks to be the wild west now.

    No easy way back in for Arsenal with the leadership/owners we have making the big decisions. If the Newcastle takeover by the Saudi’s goes thru thats another oil rich funded side shelling huge amounts in.

  2. andy1886

    “I think the fact we didn’t get battered and largely controlled the game is his solace”

    Can we just stop accepting that not getting battered by Spurs is some sort of a positive? Long gone Gooners would be turning in their graves at that sort of thinking.

    Absolutely we should aim high, and we do need better players (not a ball playing CB, just one that can defend). The real issue is that we spend money badly on the wrong player or on the wrong position. Unless that changes we’ll be stuck in mid table purgatory.

  3. NJ Gooner

    Stupid question perhaps, but does Roca even have a right foot? You wouldn’t think so from the highlights. One of the (many) problems with Xhaka is that he doesn’t have a right foot. So many possible passes are missed because he can’t move the ball more than five feet with his right. We’ve got a number of left-footed players now (Xhaka, Pepe, Saka, Kola). Don’t we need a two-footed player in the middle of the park.

    I mourn for Santi……..

  4. CG

    Klopp on Arteta:

    “”””Mikel is part of very exciting new manager generation. Really exciting to watch. You can see the ideas, influenced by Pep. Mikel would have had the same ideas when he was a player. Arsenal are a really exciting squad.”””””

    Patronising, condescending and dismissive..
    There is nothing EXCITING about Arteta or Arsenal or the squad .
    (Absolutely nothing.)

    Totally and utterly unacceptable for Arsenal to have novices like Edu and Arteta in charge.

    We used to be a serious club.
    World renown,
    World respected,
    Leaders.

    Not now.
    Abject and a laughing stock to boot.

  5. Chris

    I was saying this the other day (lack of competition) and it must be dull as anything supporting football in Europe.

    The French League is a joke, nobody is ever getting near PSG.

    Bayern only really have Dortmund and possibly Leipzig who could take them but even then they cherry pick the best from both those clubs.

    Juve are completely dominant in Italy as the others have always put up a fight but crumpled at the end (Napoli, Lazio etc).

    Look at the history of La Liga and it is largely dominated by the big two, it is almost a glorified SPL.

    At least our league is competitive with several different winners this decade, but two have been bankrolled by oil.

    It would be nice to see the football authorities come up with a way to even the playing field. Dynasties are always a part of professional sport but equally it is exciting to see a different league winner each year.

  6. Champagne Charlie

    “Supporting Emery came at a great cost. We brought in someone without understanding what he wanted to do on the pitch, and because his hire wasn’t on merit, no one paid attention to what he wanted. Now we have a coach with a much clearer articulation of what he wants to do. I suspect he has more sway with the staff. “

    This is what resonates the most with me having witnessed the last 18 months.

    The lack of coherence when purchasing is evident and, although the right profile was targeted last term, its clear the right needs were ignored. That occurs when the manager hasn’t a clue what’s needed to deliver his brand of football.

    The whole year folk would say how we needed a winger for Emeryball etc, and when one shows up we lost all attacking impetus and our inability to structure a defence bit us HARD.

    I posted these numbers yesterday too in relation to those used in the blog:

    *CL hopefuls*
    Chelsea: 1.8 goals per game, 1.4 goals against.
    Leicester: 1.86 goals per game, 1.03 goals against.
    United: 1.74 goals per game, 1 goals against.

    – Arsenal under Arteta: 1.59 goals per game, 1 goals against.
    – Arsenal under Emery this season: 1.38 goals for per game, 1.46 goals against.
    – Arsenal under Emery LAST season: 1.92 goals per game, 1.34 goals against.

    Emery conspired to get the window wrong in terms of balance, Arteta has a summer window to fix that and begin to build a squad capable of bringing his football vision to life. If he fails with that then the cycle will repeat, but it’s here I think the staggering differences between the two will be clearest yet.

  7. Jamie

    “Now that I have been told that Arsenal are genuinely considering loaning him with an option to buy, I am in two minds.”

    Who by?

  8. Wasi

    Val

    ‘Now that I have been told that Arsenal are genuinely considering loaning him with an option to buy, I am in two minds.’

    No offence Val , but I’m pretty sure your sources dont give you the right insights. Especially your source with Saliba.

  9. Receding Hairline

    Lol…the staggering difference between the two is one is a distinguished manager with promotions and trophies under his belt. The other is quite good in press conferences but for now generally lacking in game management.

    If what Arteta needs for his vision is Xhaka as midfield go to guy and the two dudes he just handed four year deals I don’t think that’s much of a vision.
    But hey we now live for this press conferences and forget what we see on game day.

    Guendouzi and Martinelli were our two most promising and brave youngsters, one is still being told to apologize for heaven knows what while the other wasn’t getting much of a look in.

    Now Saliba might not even kick a ball to make money for signing who exactly?

    Seems we are in North Korea for some,the supreme leader is always right, never to be questioned

  10. CG

    Re Saliba.

    If the player has any sense.

    Arsenal FC( 2020 version) is the last thing the player needs in his blossoming career.

    We have stopped him playing in the French Cup final for his local team.

    And Arteta the Daydreamer wants David Luiz to mentor him next season.

    Saliba deserves better than being partnered with the likes of Cedric, Mary and Luiz a novice manager and ailing club.

    Get out while you can – would be my advice.

  11. Champagne Charlie

    Usual suspect couldn’t help but interject when Emery was mentioned.

    He failed mate, get over it. Whether Arteta does is up for debate, your mans isn’t.

    He failed, embarrassingly.

  12. Danny

    I felt really bad for Saka, he should’ve signed that new contract after the derby, Arteta then would’ve started him instead of that left footed 72 million flop of the season Pepe. What a waste of money.
    As the Liverpool match is now just a warm up match for Wembley, might as well start with Ozil and Guen, makes no difference.

  13. GunnerDNA

    Day 250 name dropping a manager that was fired months ago because what the other does after six months in charge is irrelevant because he needs 23 new players. We just get kicked by Jose who most spend days talking about how trash he was and here Pedro is today quoting Klopp on the eve of a big game against the champions. If you believe anything Klopp said that PC in regards to AFC, I’m sorry for you because you’re at the point of no return. No mentioned of how Arsenal can get the best from Liverpool or how Meekel needs to approach the game, but let’s celebrate not getting embarrassed in the NLD.

  14. Receding Hairline

    While we are at not knowing your vision

    Zaha was the signing asked for… Pepe delivered

    Nzonzi or someone along those Lines…here have midget Torierra

    Jokes were made about him wanting Banega…well he pisses all over our midfield options at present.

    Emery was a fool for not demanding he be heard when it came to key transfers, you don’t determine who plays for any coach and then demand results.

    So Edu should take a list from the current coach and deliver on what is specified. Maybe then we can actually see this vision some insist is clear as day, all I see is a team that looks solid when being extremely passive but collapse once they have to create chances or chase a game. Even holding on to what we have is a tall order, 15 points dropped from winning positions.

  15. azed

    “The lack of coherence when purchasing is evident and, although the right profile was targeted last term, its clear the right needs were ignored. That occurs when the manager hasn’t a clue what’s needed to deliver his brand of football.”

    David Luiz, Cedric Soares and Pablo Mari are definitely what we need right now.

    Good to know Arteta has the players he needs to play his brand of football.

  16. Radio Raheem

    I can’t say I’ve watched many Espanyol matches to form any opinion on Roca. That said Espanyol have just been relegated so it shouldn’t be hard pricing him away.

  17. azed

    We already know the theme for this summer.

    Good players —- signed by Arteta.
    Bad players —– signed by Kia and Raul

  18. GunnerDNA

    A manager who requested to have David Luiz get a contract extension and a 4 yrs deal for Mari is a bum.

  19. Radio Raheem

    Banega is still a baller, top player shame he is moving to the middle East.

    Gomez and/or Malinovskyi at Atalanta are very good players. Gomez certainly top 5 to 10 number 10 currently and would give a good couple of years to usher in the youngsters.

  20. GunnerDNA

    azed,

    “We already know the theme for this summer.Good players —- signed by Arteta.
    Bad players —– signed by Kia and Raul”

    You miss the part stating it was always a long term project.

  21. Guns of SF

    Forget Roca. That highlight reel was shit.
    Buendia is cheaper and a much better dribbler and passer than Roca

    Have a funny feeling tho that Coutinho might end up with us…

  22. Radio Raheem

    Emery, and I think Arteta, are head coaches not managers. The players to sign and their profile thereof is decided by committee of which the technical director has a big say. Of course, the head coach would have a say but it is nothing like the sort of power a manager, in the notional understanding of the role, implies.

  23. SpanishDave

    Arteta is making the same mistakes with his substitutes and game management.
    The back three are poor, slow and technically bad.
    He should at least have a first team lineup by now but each week it’s different, so I have no confidence in him. For me he is to green and Arsenal should not be gambling on a novice.
    When he fails then what?

  24. Ishola70

    Fans will not lose interest if they see player additions that they can get on board with and see a credible challenge for CL.

    Many fans are not on board with David Luiz, Mustafi, Xhaka and to a lesser extent Mari etc.

    Willian would be borderline for me. People can moan that it is another inhouse agent signing and he is an older player but there is no doubt he can be a very good player on his day and he has quite a lot of days where he turns up.

    The Cech signing wasn’t disastrous despite how many fans want to paint it as such

    Willian is a passable signing. David Luiz wasn’t a passable signing.

    Of course we would all like to see a younger player signed with high potential who can do damage now but if it is Willian signed that is not the end of the world at all.

    Of course beating Man City is hugely more signficant than beating Liverpool. There is a chance Liverpool are on their holidays. There will be no chance that Man City will be on their holidays in the FA Cup semi-final.

  25. jwl

    Emery, with multiple domestic and European trophies, was a failure by taking us to European final and improving our league position but the novice who was hired due solely to who sat beside for a few years, and hasn’t improved our squad, is obviously world class.

    I feel like I am being trolled here.

  26. Radio Raheem

    You’d expect Arsenal to lose the next two matches, that’s just normal. What will be good even unexpected is if we put up decent performances.

  27. Ishola70

    Disappointing the “it’s not fair” tone in the last part of the post.

    Let’s move on from Wenger post 2003 shall we.

    It’s a losers mentailty to scream it’s not fair.

    Clubs have shown that if you get it right you can have good times amidst yje sugar daddy and bigger spending clubs.

  28. Receding Hairline

    “He failed, embarrassingly.”

    70 points, EL Final

    One couldn’t get past Olympiakos with a first leg win in the bag.

    Talk when the staggeringly better manager matches that next season.

    This urge to elevate Arteta to managerial greatness before he has even shown he is good let alone great, what purpose does it serve?

    Let the young man learn to walk before flying, he hasn’t even had a full season as manager yet he is “staggeringly” better than one who has won promotions and trophies.

    Only a drunk writes stuff like that.

    Some of you write like football does not follow normal patterns of the real world, Arteta lucked out in getting a job he has no way proved he merits, next season he should show he belongs as a top flight manager, then we can look at if he is good let alone great.

  29. CG

    Azed

    “””David Luiz, Cedric Soares and Pablo Mari are definitely what we need right now.””””

    Just imagine if the peerless Arsene Wenger sanctioned contracts totalling 9 years( 4+4 +1) when the club was 43 points of top spot,midtable and potless.
    (And we have the Corona pandemic too.)

    There would be no prevarication, no benefit of the doubt and no grey area.

    The manager would have to be sacked.

    Arteta sanctioned these.
    He has to to go.

    Mourinho was condescending pre match about Arteta ( ie. when Jose knew him as a 15 years at Barcelona)

    Now Klopp is patronising him too.

    The club of Chapman, Mee, Graham and Wenger deserve better.

    We are Arsenal FC,
    Not Aldershot FC.

  30. Ishola70

    azed
    “Signing William is moving backwards.”

    Not necessarily.

    David Luiz was most definitely a moving backwards signing.

    Willian could be useful for a couple of seasons.

  31. Pedro

    RH, you spent 18 months pretending what Emery was offering was progressing the club. Don’t talk about drunk writing my man.

  32. Valentin

    Rigid formations are most helpful for limited players because the formation hides their flaws.
    If you have intelligent players, you can relax the tactics and let them express themselves more, because they are able to cope with unrehearsed situation.
    The lack of fluidity of our attack problem is compounded by the 3-4-3 formation. Our midfield is regularly out-numbered by the opposition. So outside of crosses by Tierney and cutback by Bellerin, the ball hardly reaches the penalty boxes.

    Xhaka has the ability to make sliding passes but he needs time on the ball (no quickness of vision). Ceballos is decent at it, but is physically weak, which make it easy to neutralise. So in order to avoid the press , he go deep to fetch the ball, by the time he is in the opposition half, everybody is back in pkace. Look how DM blocks his path whenever he tries to move within 35 yards of the opposition goal.

    Attack wise, outside of those two none of our regular starters can create interchanges from off-the-cuff movements and passes. They either don’t have the quickness of vision or the technique to make sliding passes on a regular basis.
    Kolasinac has trouble with 10 yards passes so asking long reverse balls is out of the question.
    Mustafi tries, but his long passes to the attacker are regularly intercepted.
    Aubameyang is like the Schrödinger cat, alive in the box, dead outside.
    Pepe can’t use his right foot to make a simple pass to the overlapping fullback.

  33. Ishola70

    I have to agree that this elevating Arteta to grand levels is a bit daft really.

    Let’s see how he gets on next season.

    It is far too early to laud over him.

    I get it that people liked his profile that being younger and seen as an emerging talent coach wise but we have seen these profile type managers fail as well as succeed.

    It is also doing no favours at all to Arteta to put him on a throne this early.

    He will gain the full respect and admiration of the fans once he shows he can get this team to compete credibly over a whole season.

  34. Receding Hairline

    “RH, you spent 18 months pretending what Emery was offering was progressing the club. Don’t talk about drunk writing my man.”

    In those 18 months we competed for the top four and the europa league final, if we had crossed the line we would have qualified for the champions league and that would have increased revenue and the profile of the signings we targeted, so yes he was indeed trying to progress the club , he just didn’t have the sauce you wanted.

    He was let down by the same players you want gone before we can “judge Arteta”.

    So yes saying a baby manager is staggeringly better than the sacked one while we drop 15 points from winning positions is drunk writing.

  35. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    I’m optimistic to what Arteta can bring to the club, and buoyed by what I perceive as important characteristics this football club needs in its manager.

    For someone that likes to talk a lot of shit about how I ‘defend Arteta’, whom is yet to actually live or die by the sword, you’re here every fucking time to defend Emery who died gruesomely on his.

    I know who looks the bigger melt.

  36. Receding Hairline

    “It is also doing no favours at all to Arteta to put him on a throne this early.He will gain the full respect and admiration of the fans once he shows he can get this team to compete credibly over a whole season.”

    Simple really

    The daily promotions of his perceived greatness is actually hurting not helping him. Arsenal fans are known to react poorly when their lofty expectations are not met.

  37. Ishola70

    Oh I forgot Kolasinac in the group of players fans can’t get on board with.

    How did I miss him out.

    At the end of the day fans need to have belief and trust in the players.

    Atm there are a few too many players where this isn’t the case.

  38. Receding Hairline

    “I perceive as important characteristics this football club needs in its manager.”

    No one cares what your expectations of an Arsenal manager are….come next season league position and style of football played will determine if he indeed merits to keep his job.

    The constant talk of standards and ganging up on 20 year old’s are just side shows.

    Jury is still very much out.

    You and Pedro can keep using Emery as a shield for as long as it’s convenient, come next season no one will buy that crap

  39. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    Certainly isn’t me when you’re here to claim that prize over and over.

    State of you bumming up a manager that fucking failed at the club and left no redeeming value. You do that and your level best to shit on positivity towards someone that is in position to move us forward from that.

    Embarrassing

  40. Ishola70

    azed

    I will repeat.

    Willian could be useful for a couple of seasons.

    He should not be put in the David Luiz bracket of awful signing.

    I have already said I would prefer a younger player with high potential like the majority but if this doesn’t materialise then Willian is not the end of the world.

    Let’s be clear as of right at this moment Willian would be more useful to this team than the current Nicolas Pepe we have been seeing.

  41. silentstan

    1) Arteta will not take us to the top unless he is still around when SK finally sells up
    2) Rebuild is a massive task. Kolasinak, Ozil, Mustafi, Sokratis, Luiz, Bellerin, Torriera, Pepe, Laccazette, Nelson, none are good enough or consistent enough

  42. Chris

    “Now that I have been told that Arsenal are genuinely considering loaning him with an option to buy, I am in two minds”

    I mean this was discussed yesterday but it really fails to make any kind of sense, unless something has happened behind the scenes.

    Anyway who is your source Valentin, Hellman’s or Heinz??

  43. Pedro

    RH, you are still here defending the indefensible over and over again. You analysis of Arteta isn’t grounded in reality, it’s all about saving face because of how hard you went on Emery.

    You are defending our worst start in 38 years. Think about that.

  44. Champagne Charlie

    Receding

    By that same measurement, nobody gives a fuck about your bumming of Emery. History shows he was a waste of space here and he’s been duly sacked as a result.

    So do everyone a favour and skip the retelling as if it was something other than promise that developed into a colossal fucking embarrassment.

  45. underrated Coq

    Arteta the Coach:

    Our brightest talent in many a years, Martinelli, sidelined and forgotten.
    Our fiery midfield talent, Guendouzi, ostracised and shamed.
    Our best English talent, Saka, shunted to a different position.

  46. Pedro

    UC,

    Martinelli given a new long term deal
    Matteo binned off for not hitting the right standards
    Saka given a pivotal role in the team

    … close though.

  47. Guns of SF

    Szolobai is gone to Milan
    shit man.

    Anyhow, with Kia, and the connections he has with our team, I feel Coutinho could help us… he is not a bad player. We should try a loan with option to buy.

  48. Receding Hairline

    “You do that and your level best to shit on positivity towards someone that is in position to move us forward from that.”

    Making shit up now are we?

    So whoever does not believe a manager not even 20 games into his craft is already staggeringly better than one with trophies to his name is “shitting on positivity”

    That’s isn’t positivity fella, that’s just nonsense and you are full of it.

    You and Pedro have elevated a coach who any sane person can see is clearly still learning his trade and his career could go either way naturally to the same level as Klopp and Pep and you expect to do that unchallenged because in your twisted mind that is positivity

    Take several seats

  49. Chris

    15 years ago today was the day Vieira left.

    If we only gain one thing from the upcoming window how it would be a player of his quality and leadership skills.

  50. Receding Hairline

    “You are defending our worst start in 38 years. Think about that.”

    No i am not

    I am defending a perfectly respectable first season where we finished 2 points off third place and got to a European cup final.

    Nice try though

    Emery was rightly sacked this year, the constant reference to 18 months of misery though is a marketing tool meant to serve a purpose

  51. Receding Hairline

    I see chatter Coutinho has been offered to Newcastle and Arsenal.

    That particular piece of info should concern Arsenal fans, we now have Newcastle with financial strength. Very soon we will be battling for places with teams like that. The league is getting ever more competitive when it comes to who can purchase better players.

  52. Champagne Charlie

    “So whoever does not believe a manager not even 20 games into his craft is already staggeringly better than one with trophies to his name is “shitting on positivity”“

    Shitting on positivity is you making it your part time job to pick at every thread in Arteta whilst simultaneously bumming up a guy that was literally sacked this season for being shit.

    Arteta has already displayed staggering differences, and they happen to be in aspects I personally value and believe key to this clubs future success – and have done for time.

    The fact you disagree, or dismiss that, is of no importance to me.

    The reality is you’re sat telling everyone about what Emery achieved at the club, that in itself underlines how little your view should be taken seriously in a wider context.

  53. jwl

    Receding Hairline – Hiring Arteta was sign that our execs think we are Newcastle level because only lesser teams take a punt on novices, not major clubs like Arsenal.

  54. London gunner

    Areta was a very basic football player who passed backwards and sideways non stop.

    My worry is our play is emulating his play.

    Could still be proven wrong as plenty of average footballers made good managers

  55. Receding Hairline

    “Arteta has already displayed staggering differences, and they happen to be in aspects I personally value and believe key to this clubs future success – and have done for time.”

    Don”t pass off your “personal values” as facts then and i wouldn’t give a shit.

    there is nothing staggeringly different in our play, we have dropped points from winning positions and we are meant to be grateful Spurs did not batter us.

    You are boring now, move along.

  56. Radio Raheem

    Xabi Alonso is coaching Sociedad’s B side, learning his trade. Arteta is saucier than him, surely 😄

  57. Jamie

    Spurs outplayed us though. And it wasn’t particularly close.

    They created more chances, took more shots, hit the target more times, completed more passes per defensive action in the opposition half, out xG’d us, had a lower xGA than us, outscored us, conceded fewer than us and took all the points.

    We deserved what we got.

  58. Floom

    I’m just following on from some comments I saw here from a few Legrovers and they’re so good I wish I wrote them.

    You build your readership by being a smart Wengerout. As they said, now you’re an AKB. I know you personally from block 11. You’re not thick, why are you now being so pro Arteta. If you’re love for Arteta has made you blind like the AKB’s love made them blind let me put it simple for you Peter.

    Read and digest –

    1) Emery soon realised Lacazette should not start most games Auba should. Arteta loves and regularly uses Laca, despite very few goals. Nketiah and Balogun are faster, taller and stronger than Lacazette.

    2) Arteta CANNOT pick a team. No one can deny Sokratis is the best defender at the club. Where is he? Why are we playing Kola, Maustai and Luiz? Why no Sokratis? That’s poor management

    3) Emery is a negative coach granted. BUT he got us to a final beating Napoli and Valencia. Arteta gets knocked out by Olympiacos when we have an away goal. Who started that game? Lacazette

    4) Team selection and substitutions. I played football and whilst it was at a lower level (best I got was Championship) I always remember Neil Warnock saying, A good manager must pick the best team and make the best substitutions. I’ve got a buddy, he’s Artetain, but even he says WTF? We against Spurs brought on a winger to exchange for a winger and we brought on Nelson when we need a goal. Nelson who’s scored exactly how many goals???

    5) Peter you constantly slated Emery and he deserved it, BUT to give him his due, he would read the game and make tactical tweaks in game of at half time. Arteta does exactly 0. When Chelsea changed formation, he had no idea what to do. Spurs started a 442 and it was hurting us, how do you defend against a 442? Back 4 with fall backs dropping in, when opposition has possession. We stayed 3 at the back and concede multiple chances.

    If you fancy Arteta or whatever, good for you, but keeping up this ridiculous praise for an awful manager will lose you your readership eventually. Your readers are all Wengerouts, they’re not gonna put up with you praising a constantly shocking coach.

    In credit, he made us tougher at the back, but the issues he has are not going to be enough to carry us to 4th

    Sack Arteta now and give Hassenhuttl the job at the end of the season. If you don’t change the Arteta praise, you’ll be blogging to no one

  59. Redtruth

    Emery’s Arsenal were still above Man Utd and Spurs despite the horrendous start.

    Man Utd have markedly improved compared to Arteta’s Arsenal..

  60. Nelson

    It is too early to judge Arteta. He is OJT. His man management and his in game management need improvement. This you’ll only get while managing a team.

  61. Sid

    By the end of next week goals for and goals against will be below 1.2 and above 1.5 respectively

    You heard it here 1st!

  62. GunnerDNA

    “You are defending our worst start in 38 years”

    I guess the season finished when Emery was sacked because Arsenal sure ain’t doing any better or we should disregard all that because he’s YOUNG and progressive.

  63. Champagne Charlie

    “Don”t pass off your “personal values” as facts then and i wouldn’t give a shit.“

    I’ve done none of the above, that’s your backwards interpretation because you’re a bit of a loose fanny when it comes to understanding plain English.

    Only you would claim no difference in our play and seek perfection in a 17 game sample vs progress. Emery didn’t have a win in his last 7 games, and his last league game required a 96th minute equaliser against a 19th placed Southampton.

    Spare me the ignorance in going from that output to continually being in winning positions only to throw points. It’s a stark contrast, but not one you’ll see with your mandolin in hand reciting ballads about Emery of yesterday.

  64. Upstate Gooner

    Arteta on Liverpool: “Financially they had a big backing and made some big signings which completely changed the club in my opinion.”

    He is already coming up with excuses as to why he won’t succeed at Arsenal. He knew exactly what he was walking into when he took the job.

  65. prvhc

    Pedro
    For years on this blog you built up Gazidis as the mastermind who was revolutionizing the club behind behind the scenes, only for him to turn out a cowardly moron who ran the club into the found with his incompetence. You’ve not brought him up since then.

    That was you pushing an agenda based on speculation & without any evidence. You’re doing the same with Arteta. He might turn out a decent coach or indeed a great one if we’re lucky, but we’ve seen nothing on the pitch to substantiate anything.

    A coach’s job is extremely complicated and it’s nigh on impossible to predict the success of an individual based purely on his supposed attributes, say unlike a player. The only way we can reasonably judge a coach’s competence is by looking at the results produced on the pitch. We talk about players not realizing their potential, but no one’s talks that way about managers because the only way to showcase a managers’s potential is through consistent results. No other imaginary attributes he may have matter.

    Considering the above, the jury is very much out on Arteta, and your constant pumping him up as the next big thing with scant evidence is setting up the fans for huge disappointment.

  66. andy1886

    Yup ‘Pool turned it around on half the net spend of AFC over the same period.

    It’s not necessarily how much money but how you spend it.

    You’ll hear ‘but, but, sold Coutinho!’ fact is if you invest in the right players that is what can happen. Wenger built title winning sides on money made by buying cheap and selling expensive.

  67. salparadisenyc

    The Emery vs Arteta debate rolls on. I will NEVER understand the need to defend Emery. I’d say the same for Arteta if crashes to the ground in similar fashion after 18 months or there about.

    We move on.

  68. Nelson

    I can predict that Arteta will get more support from traditional Arsenal fan in the future. His style of play is close to Pep and Wenger. I would guess most of the Arsenal fans were attracted to Arsenal because of the style of football. Mou is converting the Spuds to play his game. Do you really like your team to park the bus and goes for long ball attack?

  69. Dissenter

    “Xabi Alonso is coaching Sociedad’s B side, learning his trade. Arteta is saucier than him, surely 😄”

    “It is too early to judge Arteta. He is OJT. His man management and his in game management need improvement. This you’ll only get while managing a team.”

    ..too early to deify him as well. That’s all Pedro does these days.
    There’a a pattern here, Pedro puts up the daily Arteta fireworks and CC shows up swinging a bat to keep the blog in line.
    It’s obvious to most people that he’s just a young manager learning the job on the go, making mistakes and hopefully learning from them.

  70. Dissenter

    Sal
    “The Emery vs Arteta debate rolls on. I will NEVER understand the need to defend Emery. I’d say the same for Arteta if crashes to the ground in similar fashion after 18 months or there about.”

    I too will never understand why it is necessary to big up Arteta for what he’s not.

  71. azed

    Sal

    I think the major issue is certain posters (Pedro, CC) said the players were good enough and the fault was with Emery.

    Now this same posters are saying don’t judge Arteta until he gets players.
    If the players were good enough under Emery, they should be good enough under Arteta.

    The same thing happened with buying of players. Before it was Emery wanting average has beens in Banega and Nzonzi, now it’s Raul and Kia signing players Cedric and Luiz

    Can’t have one rule for Emery and another for Arteta.

  72. azed

    Ainsley Maitland-Niles has come to the conclusion that the writing is on the wall for for his career at Arsenal & in order to achieve regular 1st team game time he must leave #AFC. Contract to 2023, interest from England + Germany
    @TheAthleticUK

    CG about to have another meltdown.

  73. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    Very little to be said about your continued inputs, just a bitchy school girl that fucks off when confronted for any substance. Aspirational stuff.

  74. Champagne Charlie

    “Now this same posters are saying don’t judge Arteta until he gets players.
    If the players were good enough under Emery, they should be good enough under Arteta.“

    Azed you’ve had the quality vs composition argument explained to you about 8 times because you seem to always bring it up like it’s never happened.

    The squad was good enough last year (clearly), it was also good enough this but the elephant in the room finally told (and was sacked).

    Arteta, like any new manager, deserves to have a summer window to influence a change in the squad to suit him. It’s really not a hard one. When he’s had that then he’s game for the level of judgement that folk like you have put on him since day one.

  75. azed

    “When he’s had that then he’s game for the level of judgement that folk like you have put on him since day one.”

    I’m pretty sure I haven’t judged Arteta. I’ve always said player poverty is a thing and until that is addressed, we would be going no where.

  76. Wasi

    Amn has always been a talented player. Athletic , versatile and technically apt. That is why he is still at the club.
    Even though a good player his lapses in concentration at absolutely fatal for someone who wants to play midfield.
    He has the ability and he had the chance to cement a place as a first choice RB. He was too proud/ idiot and didn’t take a golden opportunity that presented itself. (Just look at Trent at Liverpool. Liverpool had an opening at RB. Thought they could retrain Trent (originally a midfielder) to be a RB. And look where he is now. This is what happens when you pounce on your opportunities and work hard. And there is talk he will play as a midfielder in the future. Kimmich had a similar situation).
    Our Amn was in a similar situation too but he didn’t take the golden opportunity that presented itself.
    And no wonder he’s looking at newer pastures now.
    He cant get into a midfield rotation that is one of the worst we have ever had. No Matteo , No Ozil , Recently recovered Torreira , and a fatigued pair of Ceballos and Xhaka and Amn still cant get a minute. + Soares signed at RB too.
    No future here for him. Sell with buy-back clause + Sell-on clause. Maybe a swap with a player we are interested in.

  77. salparadisenyc

    Azed,

    For me this season regarding Arteta is like that great line from FULL METAL JACKET, ‘the sooner you know your already dead, the better off you’ll be.”

    As CC just stated man Emery had two full summer windows to effect the squad.

    Very harsh to shred Arteta for taking over after two managers this season on top of the league shutting and restarting under unique circumstance. Sure every side had to deal with same thing but he had literally just started.

    Said it yesterday, I really think the signs are positive, Arteta lacks consistency. But you can see a foundation being laid. Le Grove goes ape shit at every turn, this is a marathon, not a sprint competition.

  78. Northbanker

    It is difficult to know what truth there is in rumours but if MA rates Mustafi, Kola and Xhaka highly enough to want to keep, then i suspect many of us will be seriously doubting his nous. I will see how the TW unfolds before I cast judgement

  79. GunnerDNA

    “Arteta, like any new manager, deserves to have a summer window to influence a change in the squad to suit him. It’s really not a hard one”

    So basically no changes should be expected until Arteta have a summer transfer window.

  80. TR7

    Even a half arsed AMN is better than Kola. I had hoped Arteta would improve talents such as AMN, Holding and Guen, instead he is apparently getting rid of them.

  81. Wasi

    Jose Mourinho reiterating my words in his prezzer

    Says the decisions is a disgrace
    If the team is not guilty the 10m fine is a disgrace.
    If the team is guilty then no ban is a disgrace.
    So anyway the decision was a disgrace.
    Seriously tho. Dont get how that decision was landed upon!!!!
    They say City are not guilty and then go on to fine them 10m.
    Feels a bit dodgy.

  82. Danny S

    Partay apparently going to sign a new deal at Athli and Auba looking to join Barca.
    Good news is, Bellerin apparently wants out.

    I think we will 100% start next season with Mustafi and Xhaka as first choice 11. Poss Kola too cause of their sterling attitudes.

  83. Jamie

    I’m not excited about the summer TW. That said, it doesn’t really matter.

    This is currently a top 4 squad, so we’ll get back into the CL without wasting any more money (which we’re desperately short of right now).

    Then Ozil, Papa, Luiz, Auba (if isn’t sold or doesn’t extend), Mustafi (same as Auba) all off the wage bill to reinvest along with the CL money.

    Next summer is when things get spicy. Arteta will have proven his coaching credentials and he’ll have a wedge of CL cash (and a little more club prestige) to work with. Should be that little bit easier to attract upper tier talent.

    This current season is a wash. Preseason to implement ideas, then let’s go. Far more exciting then wondering who we will or won’t sign this summer, imo.

  84. GunnerDNA

    Training photos of Ozil with the squad but not MG. It seems Ozil accepts the non whatever this kid is trying to enforce. Tomorrow is a good game to play him 😀

  85. London gunner

    I agree with dissenter people acting like artets is the next pep aka Pedro and cc are fools

    And those saying they know he is next moved are also fools.

    One of two of those camps may end up being true or it might full somewhere in between.

    But for now there is not enough data to make a firm judgement so stop being fools aka Pedro and cc and also the anti arteta peeps

  86. Ishola70

    Sal

    “this is a marathon”

    How long is this marathon?

    How long are fans going to want to be also rans?

    Why in six months has the previous requirement to make a credible CL spots challenge suddenly appeared to be dropped?

  87. prvhc

    Dissenter/London
    There is no ‘Anti Arteta/Pro Emery’ camp. Emery was here for 18 months and was universally panned by the time he left, and Arteta’s been here for less than a year and the Jury’s still very much out on him.
    The people bringing up Emery are wind up artists/trolls who’re not interested in serious conversation.

  88. Champagne Charlie

    London

    Ive not made such ridiculous claims, I wish people like you would actually stick to what’s said instead of blowing smoke up each other to creat this fake image of another.

    The first post I wrote today said the following:

    “Emery conspired to get the window wrong in terms of balance, Arteta has a summer window to fix that and begin to build a squad capable of bringing his football vision to life. If he fails with that then the cycle will repeat, but it’s here I think the staggering differences between the two will be clearest yet.“

    Believing Arteta is better equipped to handle our circumstances than a failed Emery means I think he’s the new Pep? Makes loads of sense.

  89. Receding Hairline

    Humiliatingly wrong about Emery in what way kid?

    In saying lots of players let him down especially in the run in last season?

    In saying he did in fact compete for the top four and the EL with same players most are now saying should be grateful weren’t battered by Spurs?

    In saying he started the season poorly, yes poorly not the dramatics some keep painting and was rightly sacked? United started the season was off than us ditto spurs.

    In saying he should in fact have gotten players he asked for?

    Where is this humiliation you toddler?

  90. Radio Raheem

    To be the next Pep you need to have peak Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Robben, Muller, Alaba, DeBruyne, Aguero, Silva…

    We’ll be fine with Arteta being the next Arteta, let’s just hope that’s saucey enough.

  91. Champagne Charlie

    “Have you got any proof of this?“

    The composition of the squad is pretty definitive proof. As is the fact Emeryball utterly tanked which led to his dismissal.

  92. Radio Raheem

    Wenger started off well got shit and got rightly fired.

    Emery started off well got shit and was rightly fired.

    Arteta has shown some promise…

    We’ll have to wait to complete Arteta’s story at Arsenal it’s just begun.

  93. Wasi

    Solid first 2 posts.

    ‘Arteta loves and regularly uses Laca, despite very few goals. Nketiah and Balogun are faster, taller and stronger than Lacazette.’

    Arteta has clearly shown he is happy to drop Laca for Nketiah. Dont think how you include Balogun here. He has 0 top level experience.

  94. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Tr7
    Everyone getting sucked in by mustafi…

    He must be sold do must xhara they will never change.

  95. salparadisenyc

    Ish

    Thats a question for all there, Radio R just gave pretty much the ideal answer for me.

    I’ll add with the contract they put Arteta on, with his experience its clearly a long term plan with acceptance of some bumps.

  96. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Tr7
    Everyone getting sucked in by mustafi…

    He must be sold do must xhara they will never change.

    Otherwise same old same old.

  97. Champagne Charlie

    “If the players are good enough to take the lead, surely they should be good enough to keep it ? That we’re not able to see out games consistently speaks to a lack of direction on how to handle various stages of a game.“

    So there’s no progression in coaching now, it’s either mass improvement or nothing?

    We’ve gone from not establishing leads, and snatching points from defeats, to establishing leads and failing to hold them numerous times.

    But that’s cause for concern in your eyes as we should be establishing and maintaining leads within half a season of doing none of that? Sounds pretty transformational and unrealistic stuff to achieve in that timeframe.

    Haven’t more than half those points been lost beyond the 80 minute mark too? Is fatigue not a fair contributing factor?

  98. Ishola70

    I think we need clarification here that those atm who seem to have full confidence in Arteta at this early stage expect him to make a credible challenge for the CL spots next season.

    Not necessarily make top four but make a credible challenge.

    I only say this because some of the language used could be seen to be implying Arsenal take a back seat for a period from previous expectations due to rebuild and longer term.

  99. azed

    The composition of the squad is pretty definitive proof.

    I thought it was Raul and Kia doing the contacts approach thing or did that after Emery was fired?

  100. London gunner

    CC

    Fair enough pal. The comment you made to me was fair and I agree with arteta getting a summer window.

    It just grinds my gears when people embelish arteta so much like he is the messiah when currently we are being served up shit on toast.

    Not to say he won’t come go but in life I’m a centrist I hate extremes on both sides.

    I think this blog and Pedro have taken a wrong turn. Pedro used to be so focused on data and evidence now he just trumps up a specific agenda based on zero evidence. Like I said it grinds my gears because I used to love reading the articles.

  101. Pedro

    Big Perm, chances are, you’ve said something highly offensive on here before, so you are in quarantine. Likely under a different name.

  102. Wasi

    Mesut was there in the training pictures but Arteta said the situation is still the same in the prezzer.
    What happened before?
    The training or the prezzer?

  103. Guns of SF

    low-ish estimates
    AMN-10
    Guen-15
    Mustafi 20
    Xhaka 20
    Sok 10

    so about 75 right there.

    Partey in at 45

    30M left for CAM/CB
    If we get Sarr for free, then thats some money that can be spent on qualideee CAM

  104. Danny S

    Guns

    Partay will sign a new Athleti deal.

    We won’t be selling Xhaka. He’s integral to Artetas plans I bet.

  105. Guns of SF

    Danny
    you are right. If Luiz is getting a new deal, then Xhaka is too.
    Arteta does not want to lose anyone it seems

  106. Danny S

    I don’t think we are ina position for wholesale change. It’ll be gradual, and painful over the next few years.