What is UP my darlings?
MESUT LOST HIS DEAL
Ok, Mesut’s deal expired and didn’t get renewed.
Ok fine, Mesut is going to blow up his own brand and he’s not signing with anyone.
No controversy here. Though it was interesting how many journos ploughed into Adidas for persecuting the German company for dropping a client over his defence of Uighurs but failed to note that he’d been, you know, hanging out with a major human rights abuser himself.
Both situations are awful, but you can’t be a moral bellwether when fighting for rights of one group, whilst giving legitimacy to abuse with your fame on the other.
In less serious news…
There are some reports saying Arsenal will keep Auba if they can’t get more than £20m for him this summer. Not sure I believe that, but I do think that at a certain point, 30 goals guaranteed might be worth more than a really embarrassing transfer fee.
The only problem you face with someone heading into their 32nd year with under a year on the contract is that at the action end of the season the player starts to protect their body. They don’t give it their all. They stop playing 3 games a week. It’s natural, if they blow out and ankle, that’s a 5 year deal, gone.
Still, quite incredible that leadership at Arsenal said they’d never let players run down their deals again and here we are, 1 year after Aaron Ramsey left us for a free, 2 years after Sanchez forced his way out of Arsenal at a knockdown rate, and we’re sitting here with a £60m striker who could move on for a very small fee.
How does that happen? We seem to have gotten closer to doing a new deal with Emery than we did Auba.
Still, on the business side of things, if we can get a fee for him, and it’s good, we’d be better to sell than anchor ourselves into a mega-deal again. Someone like Odsonne Edouard might be a good replacement, maybe we have 35 goals between Eddie and Gabriel. I’m sure there’s a solve that could work.
Most important thing for Arsenal this summer is coming out of it with a midfield that is built for the league. Power, finesse, size, and fitness. Give me those things, or I shall be furious.
Let’s talk more tomorrow, stay safe my darlings. x
Unless tierney has been identified as a permacrock, I really doubt we would be interested in selling.
When we have no midfield, it seems odd that we’d be adding around selling a player who is (probably) not part of the problem then needing to replace him
I have a nasty feeling all this odd shit is gonna come to play. We’re gonna sell auba and tierney and spend money on their replacements then roll into next season no better off but still without a midfield!
Please take these fears away. I can’t take another season of this midfield lol
CG,
When Wenger left it had been 14 years without a league title.
No champions league final in 12.
We wasn’t even close in those years.
How many last sixteen exits in the champions league. How many title chases were done and dusted by December.
We were nowhere near winning or getting close to it.
That’s why he had to go.
Totally agree CG. A Top 4 + FA cup by Arteta would be hailed as a miracle. By the way I like Arteta.
Great things happen for love or for money. When you don’t have money, you keep the people who love you.
And there has been no greater lover of Arsenal than Arsene Wenger. No wonder he says he does not want to return to the club. He left broken hearted.
So Timo Werner is off to Chelsea, and Ziyech before him. Both deal for £82m, £10m more than we paid for only Pepe. Wenger must be crying in his FIFA graveyard. These guys running Arsenal are professional fumblers, they are guys who should be taking orders, not giving them. They might just be average at the latter but total nut heads when left to make decisions. I was here at the time, daily saluting Zaha. That was our guy. He was born at a Prem big club, had been king in prem mid table club for years. He was our… Read more »
Wengaball, have you been reading too much Mills & Boon? (one for the oldies). No greater lover of Arsenal than Arsene Wenger? Lol, I expect the £150m+ in wages over his tenure had something to do with it too. What a load of trite nonsense, where were all the clubs queuing up to sign Wenger when he left our club? Nowhere to be seen as we all very well know. Great for the first decade, mediocre for the second one I’m afraid. What you people call ‘Wengerball’ was merely a lightweight pale imitation of Barca that failed. Time moves on,… Read more »
Bris, Chelsea are also linked to Leicester’s LB Chilwell, hence the linking of Tierney with the Foxes to replace him. Probably a case of 2+2=5 but knowing AFC you can never rule it out. My thought was if Chelsea want a left sided full/wing back the Saka would seem like an obvious option. Given their massive success in stealing Cole from us back in the day (another converted winger) it might make sense.
Wengaball have you considered why it would be a big deal for Arteta to get top 4 and win an FA cup? Because we steadily declined. Under wenger. Lol. Emery made it worse, but the goalposts moved already on Wengers watch because he built increasingly poor teams For half of wengers reign he was coasting and doing the bare minimum and allowed us to slide to the extent that what used to be considered below our level and a failure would now be considered an achievement. It’s very simple If you are in great shape and running 5k every night,… Read more »
I have made consistently the case that Arsenal should bring in “selectively” a maximum of two or three new players rather than the wholesale changes that so many on here advocate. Most posters acknowledge that Arsenal has acquired too much dead wood and are paying them inflated wages. Most like Ozil are unsaleable or untransferable. So for this reason I would focus this summer on improving one department and that for me is midfield. The players on our books are at best top 10-12 level. By keeping Aubameyang we can evaluate the potential of our young forwards. If they make… Read more »
Wasi “”””Neymar deal being the perfect example””””” Indeed it is the perfect example of Raul. Because it ended up in court, the tax authorities involved and the Barcelona President sacked. And on the footballing side- with Messi and Suarez up front – Barcelona and Raul should surely have been better buying defenders and strengthening in other areas with the £200 million they spent on Neymar. Buts that difficult, painstaking and does not get your name out there in lights. He has done same thing as Arsenal too. The totally needless and indulgent signing of the one footed and ill suited… Read more »
China, thanks for succinctly describing my exercise regime with that analogy…..
Gentlebris you’re prince elect has only managed 3 goals and 3 assists in 28 appearances (27 starts) this season. He’s hardly been terrorizing most teams this season – as throughout his whole career, he lacks end product Pepe is not only younger but in his first season – in which he has struggled, hasn’t yet looked settled, been in and out of the team, played under 3 different managers and has been considered poor value for money (inspire of having a similar price tag to zaha) – Pepe still has 4 goals and 6 assists in 17 appearances (only 7… Read more »
andy1886 – with your moniker, you clearly do have some sense of history. What I call Wengerball started with Johan Cruyff in the mid 70s, was back at the peak in 1988 when Netherlands walked the Euros with Gullit, Van Basten and Rijkaard, Koeman etc. and then was again visible in the Ajax of the mid-late 90s. All of them before Barca fully adopted it. As for money keeping Wenger at Arsenal, what’s to say if he would not have made the same or more money hopping from club to club? What’s to say he wouldn’t have had more glory… Read more »
Bahaha Andy you’re welcome. Better than mine anyway!
Timo werner is overrated
Sorry typo, Pepe has 10 starts I think
Ziyech is the one we missed
CG and Wengaball – of course it would be a fantastic result for Arteta to get us into the top 4 and win the FA Cup. That was not the case in the end for Wenger as he was in charge for 20 years and presided over massive decline for at least half of that time. Yes he was stymied by the Emirates move but largely it was his strategy that caused the decline – over-egging salaries of young never-will-BEPS like Denilson, Bendtner etc, use of too many small ineffective players, lack of interest in a defence and decent goalkeeper… Read more »
Be not BEPS
‘You on the other hand are clearly taken with our little tubby Spaniard!’
Whatever you want to believe CG.
The line’s kinda funny tho. Its a good-Un
China, agree about Tiernay. Hope that his injury issues are a blip, if that’s the case I’ve already seen enough to think that he could be another in our long line of great left backs…Sansom,Winterburn, Cole. I know this is a big leap but he appears to tick all the boxes – if he stays fit! Great post earlier re. Trump. The fact is that virtually on a daily basis he embarrasses himself, the presidency and the USA. His narcissism, shamelessness and lack of empathy is astounding. Makes you wonder what the Republicans are planning being his back, readying to… Read more »
China1, If Pepe had been playing for Crystal Palace, I can guarantee that his return would have been much worse than Zaha. Compare who Pepe played with and was meh Aubameyang and Lacazette with whom Zaha played Benteke, Conor Wickham (injured mostly) and Jordan Ayew. Even the assists are misleading because Pepe in on corners duties. Lacazette and Aubameyang scored from them. At CPFC, Benteke did not score a single goal in nearly a year. Of course his annual goal was against us. Both played in the same position for their national team. One was an outcast and is now… Read more »
Northbanker, agree with every word that you just posted.
I try not to listen to those doom mongers who have already made up their mind about Arteta and give the impression that they want him to fail just so they can say, ‘told you so’. The limited evidence so far would suggest he could be the man to turn us around over the next 2/3 years if he’s given the support in the W that he obviously needs.
“Wengerball started with Johan Cruyff in the mid 70s”
Wengaball, if that’s your definition that’s fine but it’s one that’s usually used to define AW’s post Invincibles philosophy. As you know the teams of 98-2005 were very different to the ones he built around Cesc, Nasri et al. As you can tell I much prefer the earlier style of play and of course it was far more successful. Again you can interpret Arsene’s post-2005 stay at the club in terms of loyalty but you could also consider that joining the likes of RM would be a huge risk requiring instant results and almost no job security. AW was getting… Read more »
Trump is like one of those people you hear in the pub – there are some bits that make sense and resonate, but mostly you know what they’re spouting is utter shite and God help us if they were ever consulted on their views officially, let alone give them the keys to the White House. Normally the US system doesn’t let that kind of Washington outsider anywhere near the presidency, but if someone is rich enough and megalomaniac enough, then it becomes possible with such a loose party system controlling the election and who can stand. Wonder what President Zuckerberg… Read more »
Our focus this season is to get the best possible results from our remaining games and not worry where we finish in the league.
The prospect of qualifying this season for Champions League is in my view zero when you factor in our current position, the points and goal difference with Chelsea and Man Utd.
What I want to see is a good end of season performance unlike in recent years
and some good results against Man City, Spurs, Leicester and Liverpool.
Bob16, As much as it pains me to admit it, but in all likelihood Trump will be re-elected. There are some people who will vote Republican no matter who is their candidate. Like he said, his base is so polarised and should be viewed as a cult that he could kill somebody on broad day light in front of their own eyes, they would still accuse the democrat of fake news. Look at that GOP Texas representative who is now accusing the death of George Floyd to be fake news and an actor playing dead to make Trump look bad.… Read more »
Trump will lose in November, and the GOP will lose the Senate majority.
What actually is interesting is the market has a down turn a little bit but not that much for big clubs. PSG with Icardi and Now Chelsea with Werner are going to be the bench mark now. I reckon we could sell Auba for 35 mil in this market the way it is going right now. I would absolutely sell him for that price and get partey making up the difference of 9 mil. If we then sell Laca though we need a replacement.
Wasi
“”””‘You on the other hand are clearly taken with our little tubby Spaniard!’Whatever you want to believe CG.
The line’s kinda funny tho. Its a good-Un”””””
It must have been a good -un- because its left our Wasi nearly speechless
(Because that’s your shortest post for a while 😂)
CG 1 Wasi 0?
Jamie,
If that happen, the first thing the democrat needs to do is to change the presidential election system. Replace the elected college by direct representation. One person one vote.
Suddenly politics will change. Parties will know pandering to small narrow minded communities in specific place will not work any more for the presidential election. Presidents will need to be president of the entire country and not chief of the nastiest gang.
Valentin all fair points and I always say stats deserve context for which you provided a lot, but I don’t think the context can still explain away zaha’s unremarkable stats. He’s a great dribbler but has always been less than remarkable in terms of end product. Genuinely top end talent normally shines through even at smaller clubs even though there can be some leeway given for weaker team mates. Zaha is now well into his prime and no one apart from us appears to be seeing anything remarkable in him to justify anything close to the prices being touted for… Read more »
I don’t know how chiwell is valued 85 mil? How do the papers come up with these numbers?
Wengerball Ref to your 08:26 post. 😩👎 You come across as someone that was still salivating over the 1996-2006 period and consequently always gave Wenger the benefit of the doubt. Failure to act on basic footballing weaknesses, that was visible to each and everyone of us, was the main reason Wenger was hounded out of the club. Financial restrictions was a smokescreen as far as I was concerned. There was money available, and you know that, of course not along the lines of Chelski/MC/ MU but certainly more than enough to sort out the visible problems. How can you say… Read more »
Chelsea signing Timo Werner… even without the benefit of a new stadium. Didn’t we move to the Emirates Stadium so we can sign top talents like him? We had a decade head start on our London rivals and we wasted it indulging the whims of a majority shareholder that could care less about taking Arsenal forward. Whilst our rivals strengthen with top talents we struggle to keep ours. Arsenal Vision’s podcast on KSE is really enlightening. The long and the short of it? The Covid pandemic has hit the Kronkes very hard… and we shouldn’t expect any change in generosity… Read more »
Valentin –
I completely agree. Get rid of the electoral college, then stack SCOTUS and the federal circuit courts with left-centre judges.
Trump is going down in flames, though. Take that to the bank. Senate races much more difficult to call.
https://play.acast.com/s/arsenalvision/ca1c0e21-4597-43ac-8293-8d0771681972
The aforementioned podcast… worth a listen… (after Pedro’s offering of course.)
China1,
Zaha’s problem is that he is the main man at CPFC. Everybody expect him to get them out of trouble.
At a bigger club the pressure will be less on him. Better players means that defenders would not be able to focus just on him.
Less defensive system (let’s be honest CPFC is a counter-attacking team) means that attacking players will have more opportunities not only to score but also to grow in more rounded team player rather than individual.
Valentin
“One person one vote.”
Now you’re talking one man one vote – I say that man with the vote should be me.
And I vote for me – Brutal Dictator, that’s what we need it’ll solve all the problems.
GB
“”””””If Steven G. who had actually been leading Rangers opined that he was not ready for Liverpool. What qualified Mikel for the Arsenal job?”””””””
Sensational.
Maybe that’s why Liverpool are European and soon to be thoroughly deserved English League Champions. They make great and thoughtful decisions.
I guarantee Stevie G has learned more from his Rangers experience than Arteta has with Pep and in his Man City La La land.
Tierney is not going anywhere. Its just newspaper murmur 2+2 = 5 just like someone stated.
CG
If you are keeping scores it should be
Wasi 1 CG 1
Remember you still haven’t been able to answer my questions and then deviated the topic. 😉
Pepe in Lille did better than Zaha at man u.
Tierney is going nowhere. If he is it will be for a minimum 50 mil this summer.
https://talksport.com/football/702617/mikel-arteta-arsenal-kieran-tierney/
Getting rid of the electoral college means whites could be overwhelmed by minorities coming together to form a majority, not happening
Im telling you for free!
Un
My concern is more why are we letting players who have performed / look promising whilst still having some really high paid dross stinking the place out.
the year 2044, when white Americans were projected to fall below half the population and lose their majority status.
group size is a marker of dominance and a group getting smaller could feel threatened
“I guarantee Stevie G has learned more from his Rangers experience than Arteta has with Pep and in his Man City La La land.”
Funny how the SPL is a great place to learn the ropes in management but is a terrible place to bring in a LB from.
ES I tried to explain to you that Chelsea were not in the dire straights you and your Spurs supporting mate suggested. I don’t know which is the most ironic the fact that Chelsea seem to be getting a top top prospect or the fact that THFC have had to seek a £175 million Government Loan. I have been banging the drum about the impact that historical transfer debt was going to have. Arsenal owed circa £53 million and that was prior to the Summer 2019 incomings whereas Chelsea were actually owed a million or two and even though they… Read more »
Walt
“”””Funny how the SPL is a great place to learn the ropes in management but is a terrible place to bring in a LB from.””””
Bring them down from Glasgow, by all means.
Just don’t bring broken ones down ( and pay £30 million for the privilege)
Because that silly. Especially as money is tight and you already have Sead K and Saka already on your books.
We would have been better off donating the money to help a proper left back – Kenny Sansom to get fit and healthy again.
A total waste of money.
So now wengaball started with cryuff in the 70s ??
Fucking delusional.
Valentin that’s all true, but the underlying problem is really about the price His price tag was that of a world class, elite winger or one expected to be due to high ceiling/potential etc He ain’t that. Put a realistic price on his head and conversations about him as a Pepe alternative can carry more weight But if we’re paying that much I’d either expect a beast or a player who looks like he’s about to be. Not a good player whose record needs to be justified so to speak. Whether or not he’s at a small club/counter attacking style… Read more »
“So now wengaball started with cryuff in the 70s ??”
That’s right. And Fergie Time started with Miguel Muñoz in the 60s.
It’s going to be highly amusing when the next set of “fees paid to agents” numbers are released. Obviously there will be a correlation between the number of transfers made / total amount spent and the amount paid to agents.
We’ve had posters on here exaggerating the amount we paid for players last summer ie Tierney £30 million when he cost £25 million so suddenly they will be looking to make the numbers look as bad as possible so I’m guessing history will be rewritten and Tierney’s transfer will be under £20 million.
China
Re: Zaha or Pepe
The Clown wanted Zaha but he got Pepe.
How can a club function like that?
Even The Clown knew Zaha was a much superior signing than Pepe.
(Pepe will always be a player- that causes you just as many problems as he solves.)
“The Clown wanted Zaha but he got Pepe.How can a club function like that?”
Er Klopp didn’t want Salah he wanted Julian Brandt but was overruled by others at the club.
Weren’t you praising Liverpool earlier?
“. Especially as money is tight and you already have Sead K and Saka already on your books.”
Er one a terrible signing because he’s a wing back not a LB and because of the high wages Wenger gave him we now can’t move him on, the other was a kid who is
a LW not a LB who was pushed into that position as temporary cover.
the whole hate campaign and slur against a player still in the ranks is unexplicable. Let the club sack him, sell him ….whatever. Run a solid campaign as well did to sack Wenger.
Also, run some campaigns to buy and bring in talent on the right back, Left Winger and a Ozil 1.0 level assist king.
the whole hate campaign and slur against a player still in the ranks is inexplicable. Let the club sack him, sell him ….whatever. Run a solid campaign as well did to sack Wenger.
Also, run similar campaigns to buy and bring in talent on the right back, Left Winger, a CB to stop the likes of Werner and Sancho and a Ozil 1.0 level assist king.
Why do we need a LW? We have Saka.
That’s the whole point of not letting the manager be in full charge of signings. A manager will always look for the short term success and would rather have players that need little adaptation. That’s not always the best for the long term of the club though. Younger and higher potential trumps quick settling in most cases, especially in a rebuild.
I understand that this is way over your head CG but I thought I’d explain anyway.
Saka? Saka may be good on the L of CM but for a team happy with mid of table. Saka is developing. Pl accept he is good enough for Cup matches. not PL.
Marc
What will you do when the report comes out and justifies the point Pedro is making about profligacy with agent fees.
Better start putting throwing some mud in the water. You are staking too much on this report.
Andy ” As you know the teams of 98-2005 were very different to the ones he built around Cesc, Nasri et al. As you can tell I much prefer the earlier style of play and of course it was far more successful.” Have you ever thought that it was far more successful due to there being less competition . The Arsenal sides from 98-2005 only had United to compete against and we competed extremely well. Would we have been so successful if Chelsea and City arrived on the scene ten years earlier with their bottomless pit of money ….. I… Read more »
Dissenter Not at all – I’ve said I will make a judgement based on official figures not on some bullshit printed in the media. Now my guess is we will have spent more than we did the previous year – we spent more on transfers so that is not unreasonable. However if Pedro is correct we will have spent a number way out of proportion compared to our and other clubs transfer spending. If Sanllehi is spending club money on agent fees over and above what is required when we need to cut money from the wage bill and strengthen… Read more »
If you’re wondering why people match in the states, this video encapsulates it I a nutshell A 75 year old man gingerly walks up to the police after curfew, god knows what he’s rambling at them- he could have been a dementia patient wondering away from home The police shove him to the ground and don’t even bother to check up on his well being. He fractures his skull. The immediate press release the Albany police make is that; a 5th person was arrested during a skirmish with other protestors and also charged with disorderly conduct. During that skirmish involving… Read more »
Pierre there was less competition and we were miles better
It clearly wasn’t an either or situation
Have 2004 arsenal out today and they’d have been beasting the league and challenging Liverpool for the title imo.
We need a wholesale rethink about how we approach policing.
The policing doctrine is akin to an occupying conquering force that exist to dominate the populace.
People of color get the brunt but it affects everyone else too.
A 75 year old dude that probably needed directions to get back home had a fracture base of skull.
Dissenter that’s such a fucked up thing
Dissenter
“A 75 year old man gingerly walks up to the police after curfew, god knows what he’s rambling at them”
Do me a favour the guy’s doesn’t “gingerly walk up he strides with more purpose than your average 15 year old. He also looks a good 6 feet plus.
You are just as bad as those you are criticising for “lying”
The full sentence reads “what I call Wengerball started in the 70s…”
It was not the most eloquent expression .
What I meant was Wengerball was inspired by what Cruyff started. And I am sure you all got that, but troll away if that makes you feel good.
Won’t bring back the glory days. And Sid, I tell you this for free 😜
Speaking of cesc, really wanted him to rejoin the club after he left barca, but a part of me is glad he went on to win the PL with chelsea, there was no way he would have won one if he would have joined us.
Same goes for RVP, but he turned out to be a dk.
‘We’ve had posters on here exaggerating the amount we paid for players last summer ie Tierney £30 million when he cost £25 million so suddenly they will be looking to make the numbers look as bad as possible so I’m guessing history will be rewritten and Tierney’s transfer will be under £20 million.’
Marc
Spot on this. Suddenly.
Sad that the team of 04 could not win the CL. I don’t see arsenal winning the CL in my life time and I’m in my 20s. (Fine,fine, late 20s)
By next summer, Mesut Ozil will have cost Arsenal FC £130,000,000 + VAT.
Marc
You’re s foolish pig
You don’t see the unsteady gait of the guy?
Are you so dim that you missed the gait of an elderly dude. WTF is wrong with you?
You’re more concerned about ‘lying’
Seriously what is wrong with you?
Habesha.As regards prices in relation to the meejah.It clearly goes two ways.If Arsenal are buying,linked,interested or negotiating the price is exaggerated upwards.iF Arsenal are selling its exaggerated down.Both of these potential outcomes are designed to make whoever Arsenal are dealing with more stubborn or unrealistic if you like.Take the Zaha price & palace as a shining example.The meejah luvvies hate us & will stir the pot in whatever negative way they can.They HATE to see us get a good deal.Believe me.
“”””and with what Josh Kroenke is on record saying he’ll get the sack.”””” I don’t honestly think Josh is actually capable of sacking anyone. I don’t think he has it in him. Gives the impression of being totally happy with the way things are going at the club. And gives the impression of being totally disinterested and very gullible. If he didn’t sack Emery after Baku gate ( in fact he congratulated him for the humiliation) And if he does not sack Raul for choosing Emery and wanting to extend his contract or after these Luiz figures come to the… Read more »
“By next summer, Mesut Ozil will have cost Arsenal FC £130,000,000 + VAT.”
Cheap at half the price or as it is joke friday
A sign in the butchers said lamb £10 reduced to £5 ………sheep at half the price.
Pierre
Have you started preparing for Ozil’s exit?
Start bracing yourself, the le-grove chaplains will. be available to provide emotional and spiritual support during this difficult upcoming season.
Habesha-another up to the minute example.The latest headline from The standard “ Arsenal in partey blow.” AM star told to reject Arsenal by Freddie kanoute( ex spud)when in reality the “ quote” merely states la Liga should keep their best players in their league.But look at the negative slant put on it.C****ts!
Dissenter
“Pierre
Have you started preparing for Ozil’s exit”
Why , he will sign another 2 year contract.
Now that we have rid the club of Emery who never respected ( or understood) quality, I expect Ozil to continue to impress under Arteta and be the fulcrum of our attacking play and creativity.
Pierre’s been drinking his mouthwash again
Uwot I get some of it. There is a lot of negativity around the club since Wenger overstayed. People just think it’s okay to shit on Arsenal. But we have made everything easy for them. There are also valid criticisms. For Example A couple of days ago Neville criticized why we gave Aubameyang, A 52 mil player only a 3 and half year contract. I guess we were cautious not to hamstring ourselves with another Ozil but they could have added an optional year on the contract like man United do. We need to improve and those negativities will start… Read more »
to go quiet
Dissenter
You are suffering from a massive case of “I need to be offended, I need to find something to be outraged about”.
If the guy was so addled why does he have the wits to wear a face mask to protect him from Covid?
There are many things to find outrage at – you’re just looking for reasons to attack Trump.
Why do you need more reasons than what he actually says or does?
Can anyone recommend a good mouthwash vintage?
I’m getting low on beer.
So Timo Werner is off to Chelsea, and Ziyech before him. Both deal for £82m, £10m more than we paid for only Pepe.
Correction
£4m more than we paid for Pepe and Martinelli.
@Dissenter, Marcs trying to be funny, hes as awful at it than his fart in the subway
Sid
I was actually being serious about the “old” guy. I hope I’m as steady on my feet when I’m 75.
Marc, the guy was 75 years old, tall but thin.
Don’t argue for the sake of it; an old, solitary, unarmed man was pushed over by an overly aggressive policeman, who was walking with a line of officers wearing riot gear. Nit picking on ‘gingerly’ is a slightly embarrassing position to take.
Don just get the official FBI data on murder, rape, burglary, larceny-theft theres a false narrative
Bob
It’s faux outrage over someone doing something really stupid. Don’t approach riot police – they’ll kick the shit out of you – it’s their thing. Dissenter made it sound like someone on a fucking zimmer frame.
Sorry but I believe people need to take some self responsibility in life. I know that’s a heinous political view in the modern world and the truth is everything is someone else’s fault.
Get a grip.
Thats till its Dons head being stepped on then he will cry wolf how his incident was worse than the minneapolis incident
Sid
I’ve asked the Met Police to send me a DVD of that – it’s got to be some of the funniest viewing all year!
Sorry, but in a real democracy no police officer has the right to kick the shit out of anybody.
Protect and Serve indeed, the question is just who’s interests is it that they are there to protect and serve?
andy
Yes but in a real democracy no has the right to riot, burn and loot either. Riot Police are trained to take an aggressive stance – I’d prefer to not need them but on occasions we do.
We do not live in a perfect world.
Marc, you do spend a tremendous amount of time on here ‘taking a position’. You write of ‘faux outrage’. Do you not think it’s reasonable to expect that everybody going to demonstrate should remain calm and ‘polite’? Of course the man in retrospect might think that he shouldn’t have got into the face of a policeman, as he ended up in hospital with a fractured skull. The policeman still used too much force, clearly! Do you mind me asking if you’ve ever gone on a protest march or is your experience of them from the perspective of someone else’s camera… Read more »
Bob
There’s never been a protest march for something I believe in.
Marc,
Without wishing to patronise you, I would suggest checking one out even if you don’t feel strongly about the reason for the march.
Un
About fucking time!