Why Arsenal fans shouldn’t covet Stan’s personal investment right now

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Mikel Arteta explaining to Mustafi that his pay cut will be 20%

Arsenal players appear to have leaked to David Ornstein that the split in the dressing room is 13/14 in favor of rejection of the 12.5% pay cut. Mikel Arteta has apparently stepped in to try and convince players that they should do the right thing and work with the club to form a united front.

The leak looks like a defensive tactic to show the fans that the negotiations are ongoing, and they are close.

UPDATE: Players are basically there on the deal. WOOOOO!

The process has to speed up. It shouldn’t need to be handed over to the PFA. It shouldn’t need the input of the fans. Players should accept the small sacrifice for the greater good and hope the world returns to normal so we can finish the season and stop having this conversation (I do fear what the conversastion will be when this is over).

One argument that people keep sending my way is this.

‘STAN SHOULD PAY OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET’

I’m always happy to give the KSE org a textual boot up the arse. They’ve run Arsenal in uninterested fashion for many years, of that there is no doubt, but overall, they’re kind of the type of owners that we’d hoped for. They let the board spend what they earn, they don’t fuck about with the day to day, and they let the people at the club do their thing.

The problem is we’ve trusted people that have severely lacked in the vision department. Ivan G was weak for 10 years, letting Wenger do his thing while he reaped the big dollars on the sidelines. However, the club invested in a great ‘on paper’ plan when Wenger left… but again, they gave it to Gazidis who didn’t follow it through. He ducked to Milan at the first chance and left a huge power vacuum that was filled by… a two CEO type system. Sven was murdered. We scuttled about at the bottom of the barrel with a shite manager for 18months, ran a transfer window with no Technical Director, and no real leadership.

Outside that, Stan has been great.

Back on the topic of Stan forking out.

There are two ways that you can have your football club run.

The self-sustaining model. Spend what you earn. Leave the operation to work like a business.

This works for Liverpool. It’s now working for Chelsea. It works sublimely for Manchester United (cash wise).

Or, you can have the billionaire plaything model. That means your club is run like a hobby. Owners do as they please, they get involved in decisions, they pump cash into the system, they get the club banned from the Champions League, or they let a super-agent run the show. Things are run badly. Manchester City cheat. PSG are run by the players. Wolves do odd things. Both have murky ownership structures BUT the fans could not be angry if the owners took money out of the club. They did a deal with the devil. That’s their hateful pact and the consquences are theirs.

Stan runs us as a self-sustaining model. The deal is that he doesn’t put his own money in during the good times and he doesn’t take out during the bad.

In fact, he took £3m out the club for ‘fees’ during the bad times and the fans LOST THEIR SHIT. Rightly so. We are not a piggybank. He never did it again. He leaves it to run like any other property in his portfolio of businesses.

That’s why he’s not going to fund the players right now. That’s why Raul and Vinnai are reworking the operation to survive a period of very little revenue. That is how it should be.

Let’s get one thing straight, the club does not have to pay non-sport workers. They could bin them all off because they are not producing right now. Stan hasn’t allowed that, Vinnai hasn’t, Raul hasn’t. They are supporting the staff within the means of the club. That means taking from the fabulously rich (players/execs/coaches) to support the not so rich.

This is the correct approach.

Normal businesses are doing this the world over. Higher earners lose more of their pay-cheque to keep lower earners in the job. Bonuses are disappearing. Exec leadership are foregoing pay.

Arsenal is no different. The players are just employees. No one cares that they have short careers. Long careers don’t earn normal people £230m between 40 people. 12.5% is not affecting your pension plan. It’s not going to see anyone default on their mortgage. It’s a very, very small price to pay in the grand scheme of world football, and it’s a drop in the ocean compared to what players in Italy, Germany and Spain are dealing with.

I am firmly with Arsenal’s exec leadership here. This is a generous offer. Players should take it.

I think they will because they are good humans.

One piece of good news is that it seems absolute that the season will finish. It’ll be behind closed doors, but hopefully it’ll be on TV. Fingers crossed.

Right, see you in the comments. x

 

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grooveydaddy

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Dissenter

If I were Stan, I wouldn’t put a penny down to compensate well compensated players for services they didn’t render.
In other walks of life, people are getting hair cuts whether hey like it or not. Why is football any different?
Even billionaires have seen much of their financial worth deprecate. Emirates Airlines, one of our biggest commercial partner has 95% of her fleet parked away.
It’s laughable reading some requesting thay Kroenke to channel his money to the club to make sure that players keep getting their 100% wages. Life doesn’t work like that.

James wood

“ I think they will because they are good human beings.”
“Well 13 of them are.”
A fractured squad causes problems.
Or was it a secret squirrel vote.

Andy1886

Good news that the season will finish? Why is it good news? Would rather write this one off and get everything in place so that next season is set up & able to run more or less on schedule.

Tom

I think the players are underestimating the size of fan backlash this will create against a struggling Arsenal side when the season finally resumes, and they will struggle.
I would imagine the group of players vetoing this wage cut are either looking to get out, are thought of as surplus to requirements, or in last year of contracts.
Either way, the fans will let them know in due time how they feel about a bunch of entitled fuck ups that couldn’t beat a Greek club valued at 80 m.

billp79

The players are board members conceptually

billp79

whats the old saying…
there is no ‘I’ in team

billp79

spot on Dissenter
even the courts would eventually rule in the owner’s favor should the players feel the need to seek legal action….

Hitman

Players (not just AFC) are a disgrace. Modern day leeches.
Govt needs to look at employments laws pertaining to player salaries and contract. It needs to be much easier to sack players and managers who are not making it mid contract. The pay and pay offs for failure is obscene. Football industry is bleeding money.
No one benefits other than the mercenary players managers and agents. Fans and clubs have lost out
The gravy train has to stop.
Leaves a bad taste in modern society.
Many of these players are less than average.

billp79

they are toying with the owners ‘good will’….mike ashley would have sack them all already…. would have made a clean slate for the new incoming regime (who would have been appreciative of him doing the hard part for them).

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Who were the 14

billp79

All it takes is the PL governing body to tell all clubs that their contracted players need to take a 20% reduction in pay…5% to cover their support staff wages…
reimbursable if the season continues and there is no loss in game day or tv revenue…

billp79

you’ll never know who the phantom 14 are….

billp79

if the losses are greater than 20% then it would be borne by KSE

billp79

everyone should have some ‘skin in the game’

Marc

“whats the old saying…
there is no ‘I’ in team”

No but there is a me!

Marc

“All it takes is the PL governing body to tell all clubs that their contracted players need to take a 20% reduction in pay”

That’s only legally binding if it’s part of the PL membership rulebook so to speak.

What we will see and it could be on a PL level, European level or even wider is a standard clause integrated into all future player contracts that allows for a reduction in salary under force majeure circumstances.

Dissenter

Marc “What we will see and it could be on a PL level, European level or even wider is a standard clause integrated into all future player contracts that allows for a reduction in salary under force majeure circumstances.” I think this is largely a premier league problem The buiggest clubs in Europe have worked with their players to accept a pay cut; Barca, Juve, Real, Bayern. It’s not an issue of contractual clauses. It’s more of leadership to face players head, open the books to them and work something out. The larger business world is shut down. I just… Read more »

Dissenter

*biggest clubs

Marc

Dissenter Amazed by the numbers flying out of Hong Kong – obviously knew numbers were down but that’s only what 2 planes worth if full. With regard to citing circumstances I’m not sure that’d stand up in court and if the players wanted to force the issue they’ll be able to afford top legal minds and the clubs could find themselves overwhelmed by the number of claims. Of course it would be better for everyone if this was seen to be done in harmony etc but modern players are mercenary’s – you can’t hire mercenary’s and then be surprised by… Read more »

Sid

Saka has to sign da ting if he believes in the Arteta project
Im telling you for free!

Sid

We should expect a minimum of 60m from Ozil, Xhakalson and Mustafinovs since Arteta has “turned their fortunes”

You heard it here 1st!

Marc

Sid

Not sure we’ve got the money to pay someone £60 million to take them off of our hands but I’d be 100% behind the idea if we did!

Cesc's Pizzeria

Who does everyone think voted against the pay cut?

James wood

Secret squirrel vote by the players .
I’ve got the picture F cowards.
Greedy fuck pigs.
This is Arsenal we had principles.

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Name n shame the fuckers..
Got a feeling maybe some of the youngsters involved tho..

That why I said should have been structured
Up to 50k 2 percent
Over 15.

GunnerDNA

Hector Bellerin is the player representative at Arsenal and Arteta is the head coach, so it’s understandable why the players are dragging their feet. An average player and a rookie coach have no clout to demand any respect. SK and Josh needs to sort this out sooner than later because it’s laughable, Arsenal is a big circus!

dialsquarehank

I dissent. You’re advocating continuing as a ‘self-sustaining model’, a part of KSE’s empire. This dooms us to continue struggling to finish in seventh or eighth place in the PL.
I advocate encouraging KSE to sell AFC; we have never been a good match. There are Gooner billionaires out there who would relish the opportunity to own AFC. We really need a proactive, forward-thinking owner, someone who can lead us back to where we belong, at the head if the pack.
I respectfully disagree with your well-presented argument.

gnarleygeorge9

You are my Arsenal,
My only Arsenal,
You make me happy,
When skies are grey,
You’ll never know just,
How much I love you,
So please don’t take my Arsenal away.

Danny

I saw another live match yesterday from Belarus. The standard’s not too bad and of course it’s a bit of a novelty to see live football nowadays. Tomorrow there are games at 17:30 and 19:30 so if you’ve nothing else to do, might as well check them out.

Danny

That’s why he’s not going to fund the players right now.
——————
Pedro, maybe he’s going to:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8227163/Arsenal-close-pay-cut-agreement-players-following-intervention-Mikel-Arteta.html

Freddie Ljungberg

“Even before the coronavirus pandemic, the Gunners were under significant pressure to reduce their inflated wage bill and there is a concern among the squad they are using the current climate to achieve their long-term pay plans. ”

Probably wouldn’t be too difficult to name a couple of those with 100% accuracy.

And no, it’s not because of Raul, or Emery, or Arteta that we have said inflated wage bill. Hint: he has a book coming out soon, that I’m guessing is going to be full of excuses.

Freddie Ljungberg
CG

Barcelona 70% cuts agreed emphatically. Juventus 50% cuts agreed emphatically. Arsenal 12.5% cuts agreed dragging and screaming. Once again, illustrating the ineptitude of Arsenal ‘executive’ team( they have 14 of the buggers , remember) For all this fuss, these cuts just save the club a miserly £460 000 a week. (Which is far less than Ozil and Mikkis combined weekly wages ) A minuscule amount in the big scheme of things, that will make no difference whatsoever- but will cause serious unforeseen consequences. Eg. A) No further player sales until players remunerated. B) No players receiving individual pay increasss, without… Read more »

Pierre

Fred “And no, it’s not because of Raul, or Emery, or Arteta that we have said inflated wage bill. Hint: he has a book coming out soon, that I’m guessing is going to be full of excuses.” It doesn’t take a genius to work out the reason why we went from under paying our players to over paying them. Losing Ashley Cole to Chelsea due to our refusal to pay him what he was worth was the start of it. Then city came along ( before they were successful) and took Adebayor, Nasri, Cliche , Toure. Barcelona took silvinio, Hleb,… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

Pierre Showing your giant blind spot again when it comes to Wenger. Of course I want to pay Saka and Martinelli what they’re worth, that’s not 150k a month at this stage though. You would have a point about your whole Saka getting injury prone rant if we kept giving him new and increased contracts after he had already been injured constantly for years and years. CG You’re just an idiot. No clue whatsoever. 456k a week for 12 months small change? That’s 23m saved you imbecile. Plus the 33+% from the execs salaries. Hardly peanuts. There are also bonus… Read more »

Marc

Pierre

Tell me how do the Spud’s keep their players when they don’t pay many anywhere like the type of money you are referring to?

They have Kane and Ndombele on £200k per week – no other player earns over £150k per week and both of those deals are recent.

Freddie Ljungberg

Considering the fact that Arsenal so far is the only club that has agreed any wage cuts to players whatsoever (if it’s actually done) and all the other clubs players are still dragging their feet on deferrals it’s a bit moronic to to call our execs useless. Sure, more would have been better, but it is what it is in the PL. Dragging up players on loan and asking what they think about it is useless on the other hand since the loaning club pays all or most of their salary, Roma does with Mikhi at least, and there’s very… Read more »

Marc

CG once again whipping himself up into orgasmic delight at the unlikely prospect of Arsenal going bust and he calls himself a fan.

Not so long ago Pedro was supporting CG as a poster, CG’s views haven’t changed the only thing that’s different is that he is no longer slagging off Emery.

Marc

Freddie

What everyone needs to do with CG’s comments is to think what the response would be if they were copied and pasted into a Spud blog with the banner “been a Spur’s supporter since I was a boy”.

You’d actually have some Spud’s supporters saying he was being extreme!

Nelson

“all the other clubs players are still dragging their feet on deferrals ”

That’s because our wage bill is one of the highest in the league and we are not playing in the CL. Just look at our current league position, it is almost certain that we won’t be playing in the CL next season. All the star players don’t deserve their pay.

Bob N16

Can’t remember who said it but CG is a buzz kill.

Pierre

Fred
“Of course I want to pay Saka and Martinelli what they’re worth, that’s not 150k a month at this stage though. ”

Slightly naive to think that they will sign for Arsenal at less than 150 grand a month when city , liverpool or united would pay them treble that amount…

Saka is worth paying 100 grand a week now as he is potentially a £100 million player, we cannot afford to lose players of his quality.

Pierre

Fred
“Tell me how do the Spud’s keep their players when they don’t pay many anywhere like the type of money you are referring to?”

Eriksen….gone
Kyle Walker…..gone
Trippier ………….gone
Danny Rose ……..gone
Vertonghen …on his way , out of contract

It starts with a slow trickle and then the damn bursts..

It’s happening as we speak.

Pierre

Last comment to marc not fred

Jamie

£100k a week for Saka? Jesus Christ. A couple years ago we were paying Alexis £140k a week and he was banging in 30 goals a season from the left flank.

Behave.

Freddie Ljungberg

Pierre. You backed away from your empty “but what if they’re injury prone” argument pretty pretty quick I see. Slightly naive to think we’re going to pay 150k a week to 2 19 year olds when we only have 4 players in the squad earning that or above and only Auba is actually earning it. Also highly doubtful Real or anyone else is going to put either on 450k a month. If that’s their plan we should demand a cool 200 mil from them. 70-80k or thereabouts should be the ceiling, they both still have a lot to prove. Trickier… Read more »

CG

“Tell me how do the Spud’s keep their players when they don’t pay many anywhere like the type of money you are referring to?”

And tell me how one man- the peerless Arsene Wenger managed to win 3 league titles and 7 F Cups in 20 years and Spurs have won only 2 League titles and 8 F A Cups in 130 years?

Folk question my Arsenal loyalty……

you lot-have been undermining the club with your Wenger treachery for 15 years.

Traitors Gate the lot of you- if you had my way,

( Pierre excepted off course)

Tom

Pierre
You want to put a couple of eighteen year old prospects on 150k a week out of fear we might lose them to Liverpool or City?
That’s crazy.

Marc

Pierre I agree with your comment in part but look at the players you’ve listed. How many of them were earning over £100k per week at the Spud’s? What was the age that they’ve moved on at? I agree that the Spud’s have under paid some of their players compared to what they could earn elsewhere but Saka (who I really rate) is in his break out season – going from zero (so to speak) to £150k per week is crazy. Players like Rose (who I’ve never rated) is / was on £60k per week, Trippier was on a similar… Read more »

Pierre

Jamie
“£100k a week for Saka? Jesus Christ. A couple years ago we were paying Alexis £140k a week and he was banging in 30 goals a season from the left flank.
Behave.”

It wouldnt surprise me if Saka already has a better goals and assists per minute ratio than Sanchez .

And Saka played at LEFT BACK.

Will add that Sanchez was quality in his time at the club before he had his head turned, something I’m sure he regrets as many have shown since they left the club.

Marc

Out of interest if Saka were to go to City or Liverpool what position would he play and would he be first choice in that position?

Uwot?

Cg & flagellation now there’s a thought…….

Marc

Pierre

“Will add that Sanchez was quality in his time at the club before he had his head turned”

You can’t put every player on crazy high wages because they might get their heads turned – the moment you do that I guarantee heads will be turning as a negotiating tactic.

If a player who daft enough at 18 / 19 to risk damaging their long term career for short term gain there’s nothing you can do about it.

Pierre

Tom
“Pierre
You want to put a couple of eighteen year old prospects on 150k a week out of fear we might lose them to Liverpool or City?
That’s crazy.”

Did I say that…no

Read my comments and I’m sure you will come to that conclusion.

I did say I would pay Saka l00 grand a week because it’s a risk worth taking as we may lose him.
Martinelli is already on a long contract so the need to increase is not so great.

Pierre

Marc
“You can’t put every player on crazy high wages because they might get their heads turned”

It’s not every player , it’s ONE player and a player who is coming into the last year of his contract and he is a player that we would be foolish to lose.

Valentin

The issue with Saka is that he and his agent know that he is an exceptional talent. There will be clubs willing to offer him any inflated salary especially if they can get him on a Bosman. So some may disagree that he is worth £150kpw, but the reality is that ManCity, ManUtd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs do think so. He literally has the best clubs in the world ready to fight over him. If you were his agent, you would try to get as much money as possible from the club’s that would give the better progression prospect. Outside of… Read more »

CG

Jamie “”””£100k a week for Saka? Jesus Christ. A couple years ago we were paying Alexis £140k a week and he was banging in 30 goals a season from the left flank. Behave.””””” Remind me – who bought him again? And the reason a superstar like him wanted to join the club over Liverpool? It would not happen now that for sure. 30 goals Alexis Sanchez goals a season. Only Wenger has got the best out of Sanchez. Remember that afternoon! Arsenal 3 Manchester United 0- after 10 minutes on the clock, Soccer played at a speed never even seen… Read more »

Marc

Pierre I don’t want to lose the player and reports are he’s about to sign an extension (yes I know it’s the press!) but and forgetting the current situation if you put one player on a high salary it raises the bar for other offers as well. That’s my only point – I don’t know what our offer is but I’d offer a very good basic £70 – £80k per week that’s also heavily incentivised over 4 years with a written clause to review after 2 years. If Saka continues his current career trajectory he’ll be worth £150k per week… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

CG We’re in a temporary decline, caused by mismanagement of the squad, transfer and wages by Wenger, it will take time to fix because it permeated the whole club and nearly the whole squad needed purging, has to be done slower than we would like because of the crazy contracts and low value of many of the players though. We will get through it though because the right decisions are finally being made and the days of dithering are over. You just hope it’s terminal so you can feel justified in your hero worshipping of the man whose blow up… Read more »

Valentin

Marc,

Saka and his agent currently hold all the cards. Arsenal may offer him all you discussed, but he may demand £150kpw and refuse to sign for less.
What Arsenal do then?
Do nothing and hope that he sign next season?
What would you do if ManUtd were to offer £10 millions for him in the TW?
Is it worth losing him for nothing next season?

Tom

If Saka has his head screwed on right money will be important to him only to a certain extent at this moment. Having the right environment for developing his talent and adequate playing time should take priority over a huge pay increase and maximizing his salary at this moment. Would he get minutes at City or Liverpool right now? Doubtful. United? Maybe, but highly risky as well. That leaves Chelsea and Tottenham and we all know how piss poor Mourinho’s record has been developing young talent. That leaves Chelsea and Lampard then and Chelsea don’t throw money at players the… Read more »

CG

The G

“”””Saka and his agent currently hold all the cards. Arsenal may offer him all you discussed, but he may demand £150kpw and refuse to sign for less”””””

How can they offer him a pay rise the precise moment all other players are taking a pay cut?

I think you are underplaying the difficulties the Dopes have caused with this ridiculous 12.5 % pay cut.

If you are going doing a pay cut- do The Juventus type one ( 50% ) or just don’t bother.

Clueless the bloody lot of them.

Jamie

Shut up, CG. No one gives a shit.

Tom

Trent Alexander Arnold, who’s market value is five times higher than Saka’s, is on 65k per week playing for runaway PL leaders and CL holders.
And he’s got 2 goals and 12 assists to his name vs Saka’s 3 assists and no goals in the PL.

Marc

Valentin I agree it’s a difficult choice – what if Saka proves to be a one season wonder and you’ve just given him a 4 year contract on £150k per week – that’s £31.2 million. Dele Alli at the Spud’s is only on £100k per week. I’m not sure Saka would get the minutes at City or Liverpool, ManU is a shit show and Arsenal are certainly a better environment to develop for a couple of years. I find it strange that Arsenal are facing financial Armageddon because of Corona but Liverpool, City (who are under FFP pressure), ManU, the… Read more »

Valentin

Freddie, You seem to have an unhealthy obsession on the wrong that Arsène Wenger did to Arsenal, while giving a pass to those who followed him. Since David Dein was pushed out, nobody has replaced him with the same level of competence. Wenger was spreading himself too thin and that damaged his main role which was to manage the team and not the club. I always thought that Gazidis was an snake oil salesman over promoted. And in view of his spectacular success at Milan, I am not going to change opinion of him. Emery was just the epitome of… Read more »

Marc

Does anyone know what Saliba’s basic is?

Marc

“Who thought that it was a good idea to give a pay rise to Xhaka, Elneny?
Who negotiate that insane contract with Aubameyang which results in him getting £10k per appearance?”

All done under Gazidis – Sanllehi wasn’t even at the club when we signed Auba.

Valentin – you have your own unhealthy obsession – blaming Sanllehi for everything that goes wrong even if he wasn’t at the club when “whatever” happened.

Freddie Ljungberg

Valentin

Unhealthy obsession? Merely some clap back to all the absurdities spewed by the village idiots.

There is no official account published that accounts for the changes in the wage bill since last summer. There is something called maths though. Look it up.

Can’t be bothered with the rest of that drivel tbh.
We get it, you hate Raul. Some might even call it an unhealthy obsession, not me though, nope.

Freddie Ljungberg

Pretty sure Raul ate Valentins Dingo. Bad Raul.

Freddie Ljungberg

Damn, got that all wrong, could work though I guess.

Valentin

Marc, Who says Arsenal is facing financial Armageddon? I think that both Liverpool and Spurs are in a much more precarious situation than Arsenal. However they just see getting Saka on the cheap or free with a high salary as an investment worthwhile. Even if the market takes 2 years to recover, they would in position to resell him for a minimum of £50 millions. Spurs is facing meltdown. A huge debt to be repaid and no revenue. Even if the season restart they will not be able to fully use their stadium. Behind close door means no gate/concession revenue.… Read more »

Marc

Valentin

There are many on here (beyond CG) who are talking about “football never being the same again”, “salaries dropping” and no more crazy transfer fees.

That comment was not directed at you.

CG

Raul arrives . Arsenal 5th/6th. A constant in euro tournaments.

two seasons later
and £250 000 000 spent on assorted rubbish.
and His Clown now back in the circus with his Witch.

Arsenal 9th/10th.
And skint.
No euro tournaments,

Just the person you would want to be overseeing the biggest crisis in Arsenal 134 year history.

Valentin

Freddie,

Accounts have been published by Arsenal since Wenger departure. It’s call public record.

You should not talk about mathematics and accounting because that make you look stupid.
You were the one arguing that Arsenal was making lots of money and that it was stashed away when I kept saying that was not the case. Oh behold the last official numbers showed not only an operational loss but a financial loss. AST and Swiss Rambler published the same conclusion but you know better.

Marc

Valentin

Freddie never said we hadn’t published accounts since Wenger left he said:

“There is no official account published that accounts for the changes in the wage bill since last summer.” – Wenger had been gone a season last summer.

Terraloon

“All it takes is the PL governing body to tell all clubs that their contracted players need to take a 20% reduction in pay…5% to cover their support staff wages… reimbursable if the season continues and there is no loss in game day or tv revenue…” Ok we are in uncharted water but from what little I know about both employment contracts and indeed FIFAs rule surrounding players contracts then my take on it is that any enforced reduction in pay or conditions of a footballers contract would in mean those players current contracts would be voided. Players and indeed… Read more »

Marc

Terraloon

!00% spot on – you actually had someone praising Mike Ashley the other day saying “he’d make the players do it or sack them all”.

You really makes you wonder how some of these people managed to get through life.

Freddie Ljungberg

“You were the one arguing that Arsenal was making lots of money and that it was stashed away when I kept saying that was not the case” Have you gone fully delusional now? Was that the voices in your head claiming that because it sure as fuck wasn’t me. I’m fully aware of the low value of our squad thanks. That’s being improved though. “Accounts have been published by Arsenal since Wenger departure. It’s call public record.” Yeah. The summer after he left when we still had masses of players on inflated wages that we couldn’t move and some that… Read more »

Sid

Saka is the real deal anyone can see that,

If Arteta’s is the real deal Saka should be Messi or Mbappes levels with his coaching .

Leroy Sane was on 90k at the same age so thats the region Saka should be aiming for

Nelson

If the situation worsens and a number of EPL teams go belly up, it would threaten the stability of the EPL. The government should have the power to pass a law to force a reduction in player salary. Since all the players are taking money out of UK, the government should have the overall power to address an emergency situation.

Bob N16

I would hope that Saka is given a healthy rise 60-70k a week with built in increases over the length of his contract. Hopefully that will happen but I would have thought that announcing a chunky contract, even if it’s justifiable, would be difficult right now!

Bob N16

Nelson, same argument could/should be applied to those billionaires who live ‘off shore’ and whose tax contributions are minimal…Branson, Barclay brothers, Ratcliffe (Ineos), Dyson, Green. Tough to get them to contribute more now that they’re out of the country’.

What about the city based hedge fund company who announced that they had made £2.4 billion betting right on the Covid 19 slump in the markets?

Not sure the footballers should be made out to be the ‘baddies’!

Uwot?

So the prem have decided to kick the can down the road once again in the forlorn hope that they can complete the fixtures to a) ensure the scousers grab their first prem title & b) to stave off the threat of tv money not being paid.naive & clutching at straws springs to mind.Theyve got no chance of this happening in the time frame they have planned.putting off the inevitable.

Tom

Saka is the real deal anyone can see that, If Arteta’s is the real deal Saka should be Messi or Mbappes levels with his coaching .Leroy Sane was on 90k at the same age so thats the region Saka should be aiming for

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Sid
Sane was on 55k per week in 2016-17 in his first season with City
and he wasn’t 18 but 20 then.
I’m telling you this for free.

Bob N16

Does anybody have any idea what the protocol would be if when they start playing again, a member of the team catches Covid 19?

If they give themselves a deadline to finish fixtures, what would happen if a team has to go in quarantine for two weeks?

NEEG

Bob N16

Insurance. Top level clubs (and lower) insure their players to the value of their contract. At the same time footballers insure themselves against injury just as top musicians do. It will be interesting how the players will respond to the demands of clubs if and when they try and complete this season – they are being paid but now possibly to a lesser amount – they may argue against the clubs.

Sid

Tom
Sane has been on 90k per week since 2016 -2017 when he signed a 5year contract which will expire 2021.
Saka will be 19 in september

Im telling you for……(completing the statement)

Bob N16

NEEG not sure how your post explains how fixtures could be fulfilled in a limited timescale if a team has to go in to isolation if a player (or for that matter, coach, physio etc) tests positive for covid 19.

alexanderhenry

Pedro I agree, players should take the cut and Kroenke is this case shouldn’t have to make up the shortfall. As far as the rest of the article, I totally disagree, which won’t surprise you. To quote: ‘I’m always happy to give the KSE org a textual boot up the arse. They’ve run Arsenal in uninterested fashion for many years, of that there is no doubt, but overall, they’re kind of the type of owners that we’d hoped for. They let the board spend what they earn, they don’t fuck about with the day to day, and they let the… Read more »

NEEG

BobN16

It doesn’t really explain however players will insist insurance is in place by the clubs and by themselves. Without adequate cover I cannot see a re-start anytime soon. You can insure against any eventuality but the premiums may be prohibitive.
Penalties anyone?

Spanishdave

It would be possible to play keeping two meters apart like table football, it would be fun and there would be a lot of goals.
Maybe not.
The press are making up so much stuff now it’s laughable, could this, would that, a university report from some country you’ve never heard off.
It’s really boring.

Valentin

Regarding recouping some money from tax exiles, it is not that difficult. It is just a political decision that nobody wants to make because once implemented it opens a can of worm. For example, the USA have something call tax extraterritoriality. And they make full use of that principle. First thing if you are an American resident you have to pay tax in the USA, no US resident but foreign domiciled status. Secondly if you are US resident for tax perspective and have foreign revenue you have to declare it, even if you have already paid tax on it. Depending… Read more »

Valentin

Tom, You don’t take into account the financial context of the time. When Sané joined ManCity and then signed his contract worth £90kpw, most top players were on no more than £150kpw. So as an incredible prospective talent he was earning 60% of the top players. Nowadays top talents command £250kpw. I am not including extraordinary talent (Messi, Ronaldo, Griezman, Sanchez, …) or exceptional deal a la Özil or Ramsey at Juventus. Lacazette is on £183kpw before appearance bonus. Aubameyang is on £200kpw plus £10,000 per appearance and a further £10,000 per goal. 60% of £200kpw is £120kpw, so that’s… Read more »