It’s Freddie time + The shortlist problem (Long Read)

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The new temporary era of Freddie Ljungberg starts today and I have to be absolutely honest… I am VERY excited.

He’s making smart moves, Per Mertesacker is his assistant, he might be bringing Gilberto in for a helping hand, and he told the Arsenal.com team he was all about putting smiles back on the faces of players.

Freddie has gone on the record as saying he thinks players are happier when they’re playing exciting football, we know he was raised on some of most explosive attacking football the world has ever seen, so maybe we’re about to witness Wengerball 2.0.

He has the opportunity to make a claim for the job, to do well, he’s going to have thread the needle of some very tricky situations with the players and the football. Here are some items he’ll be looking to clarify.

The Xhaka thing:

There will be a blank slate for Granit Xhaka. It’ll be very interesting to see how a man with a more attacking vision sees the Swiss. A lot of the ‘he’s highly rated from within’ leaves me aghast. It doesn’t make sense that a player with so little discipline and so many errors in his game could be seen as this absolute essential to the team… but I guess we’ll find out. If he’s in the side, what is he doing and how are they going to protect the team against his bad habits?

Pressing:

Freddie likes high octane pressing. So did Wenger and Emery. No one can keep it going for longer than 3 games. How will Freddie discipline the team to press consistently, or at least in strategic moments during the game? There are big question marks as to whether his first-team forwards are even capable of this. Is Auba going to turn into that sort of player at 29? Does Lacazette have the stamina to do that? Or might the coach pull a wild card and start his younger players. He’s far more likely to get the sort of behaviour he wants our of Saka and Martinelli.

Pepe:

Our very one-footed wide man has looked pretty poor most of the season. It’s hard to move into a tough situation and perform and he certainly hasn’t managed to raise his game. He looks shot of all confidence, but maybe a new coach with a more exciting vision could spark something in him that we haven’t seen yet. He’s certainly not a bad player. If Conte could get Victor Moses firing, then there is hope for Pepe.

Transitions:

Our short game from the keeper has been slow, ineffective and quite frankly embarrassing. We struggle to transition out of defence most of the time, then if the ball makes into midfield, the gaps between the attack are monstrous. Freddie is going to have to get in the weeds with some real basics here, because we don’t move the ball through the phases with any sort of consistency. How is Freddie going to look at this problem, will he go more direct? Will he shorten the passing lanes? Will he bin the short passes out the back? I’m very interested to see how quickly he can impact the way we move the ball. I’m also hoping that we start playing through the middle again with some exciting one-touch combination passing.

The same in reverse. We often have no real shape when we’re hit on the counter-attack or even just under sustained pressure. Midfield is our biggest problem, the two deepest players, whoever they are, offer very little protection to the defence, either by taking up positions that are too deep, or just not being present in the right places. We do not defend as a unit, it’s a lot to expect in a few games, but it’d be nice to see some thinking go into action there.

It’s not really worth hitting you with the management stuff because it’s all very early stages, but I think one thing is clear from listening to Josh K, they will be overjoyed if Freddie can take things until the end of the season. Better choices will be on the market then and Edu, Huss, Raul and Vinnai can take their time over a decision.

As I mentioned a few weeks ago, there really is no plan on the manager and we’re accruing a shortlist now because no one was thinking about exiting Emery this season. A staggering oversight when you consider that a proper club would have booted Emery in the summer. The football was quite clearly going nowhere, all the data pointed to total regression, and behind the scenes things were just as dire. Zero control. The bus driver running team motivation talks perfectly captured the managers’ approach. My point here, even if you truly believed in miracles, you’d at least get a backup list of names just in case.

The more worrying point for me about the shortlist that’s emerging is there’s no rhyme or reason to the candidates that we’re looking at. Nuno is a counter-attacking specialist that doesn’t believe in pointless possession. Allegri is the ultimate ‘get the job done’ pragmatist that builds systems around the tools he has at his disposal. Brendan Rodgers is a high pressing possession-based practitioner. Arteta will be Manchester City like entertaining possession-based attacking football. There’s no theme here, which likely means Edu doesn’t have a plan that he’s executing against.

If the club doesn’t know what it wants to be, how are they judging candidates? Your strategy can’t be a manager, because if that’s the case, your costs are huge every time you hire in a new philosophy. Chelsea, up until lately, always had deeply pragmatic managers that played a certain way. AVB, Conte, Mourinho are all cut from the same cloth. Barcelona always hire in specialists in of attacking based possession football because that’s their DNA, but beyond that, those values Cruyff instilled give the club stability. Every layer of the club believes the same thing. Every coach plays the same way. The scouting network knows what they are looking for. The fitness coaches know how to plan.

There’s a lot of talk about The Arsenal Way and whether that exists. It doesn’t. Edu is supposed to define what that is so we can build out talent that maps to the vision. My view is we should be a youthful execution of high octane pressing and intelligent possession-based football. We should be the most exciting team to watch in the world. We will never compete at the higher levels for elite adult talent, so we’ll have to grow it, or attract players like Martinelli and Guendouzi and ask them to give the first part of their careers to Arsenal. Young players need minutes and elite coaching. If we set a clear vision, it’d give clear parameters on the type of coach we need. It wouldn also focus what you’re looking for.

  • Someone open to a longer-term project
  • A manager happy to work on a budget
  • Someone who can work with data analysts and support staff
  • A person that can galvanise, not divide a backroom and a squad
  • A clear communicator
  • Someone that loves coaching
  • Has a clear-eyed vision of where the game is going and how to keep up
  • Someone with patience, because they’d be working with younger kids
  • Someone with examples of how they’ve developed players
  • A vision of how to implement a pressing regime
  • A view of football that’s exciting

It would dictate the sort of fitness approach we’d need, it’d give the scouts a very clear brief for who and where they should be looking for talent, and it’d be a clear message to the fans… this project is not for now, we are building out Arsenal to be a Champions League final four outfit in 5 years. Bear with us, this is going to be spectacular.

The ‘cast the net wide’ and see what we like approach isn’t purposeful. When you don’t know what you’re looking for, you can be easily seduced by cheap Powerpoint presentations, great Wikipedia pages, and the sweet charms of Raul who can definitely vouch. We are better than that. I hope as the club push on in this process they get a little more specific about what they want, because a warm body won’t cut it. Not for the next hire.

One managerial story that I do find amusing is the Brendan Rodgers one. We all know he’d be desperate to move to a top club again. He’s doing a great job at Leicester, a club I feel is his level… but my point of raising this particular story is that he’s on the back page of one of the red tops with a headline alluding to Arsenal being his dream job. That is poor judgement to let anyone go off the record for you in such a blatant way. I wonder if that’ll impact the focus of his players, it looks very much like the mistake Marco Silva made when he was desperate for the Everton job despite being under contract at Watford. Didn’t end well there. Confidence is fragile at a football club, if the players think you’re purring over another job, things can go south very quickly.

Anyway, a huge day for Freddie, Per Mertesacker and the fans. I cannot wait to see what the sexiest man in management has to offer us.

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  1. Pierre

    Ishola
    “Would you care to tell us why you over-rated last season’s unbeaten run so highly?”

    You still don’t get it , you shouldn’t take everything so literally

    .As you know , I never rated Emery after watching the first couple of games, the know nothing’s thought it was due to my perceived allegiance to Wenger.

    .However, going 22 games unbeaten isn’t to be sniffed at, as has been proved by our recent poor run against basically the same level of sides that we were beating 12 months ago.

    It was always my opinion that our unbeaten run was largely due to the team still having Wenger’s DNA in their play .As soon as the clowns philosophy took hold , the quality of the football deteriorated.

  2. Ishola70

    Yes we’ve got it Pierre.

    You were setting Emery up for the fail.

    How grand of you.

    And the Wenger stuff is nonsense btw.

  3. Bojangles

    What’s going on here.

    Good post Pedro. An honest assessment without once mentioning the man with the hair.

    Really hope Freddie hits the ground running, a tough ask with only a couple of trainings under the belt.

  4. Spanishdave

    An ideal game today for Freddie but only had the squad a couple of days.
    Not excited about Mertz as an assistant he was slow as a player and not a reliable player .
    Let’s get the team smiling again is a start

  5. Pierre

    Ishola
    You should have said ” the INEVITABLE fail”, as only the more perceptive ones knew it ea coming ……..unlike you..

  6. Ishola70

    Norwich haven’t won two EPL games in a row this season.

    They come off a rare EPL win at Everton.

    Losing to Norwich is a bad result.

    But Arsenal have been quite rotten on the road in EPL for a good long time.

    50/50 in whether Arsenal get the win today.

  7. CG

    A Super Sunday awaits and PedRo has served up a sensational start to the proceedings.

    Truly magnificent effort.
    Some contradictory bits – which I will off course touch upon later. But he is 85% spot on today.

    But in the meantime many many thanks.

    (How we could do with someone like PedRo in the PR department of the club.)

  8. Ishola70

    Pierre
    “You should have said ” the INEVITABLE fail”, as only the more perceptive ones knew it ea coming ……..unlike you..”

    Right that would tie in with me saying when he was first appointed that I didn’t expect much from him.

    Got ya.

  9. TR7

    My preferred Arsenal starting 11

    Leno
    Bellerin Chambers Holding Tiernney
    Torreira Luiz
    Ozil
    Auba Laca Martinelli

    Let’s see how Freddie lines our starting 11 up.

  10. Moray

    Can’t wait to see what happens today.

    A big boost from all the players on the pitch, I am guessing.

    Freddie looking great in a suit on the touchline…

  11. TR7

    Pierre

    Yes, Freddie was a smart player. He used to time his runs perfectly. Martinelli plays further up the pitch but he too is an intelligent player,his movement inside the box is good. I don’t know why Emery sidelined Martinelli when he was the one who put his faith in the player and gave him good game time early on.

  12. Danny S

    Pierre

    We do still have wengers dna in our play. It’s why the defence is so shit.

    Unfortunately emery didn’t know how to mask it with attack.

  13. CG

    If Fred is the answer this has to be the team
    Attack them Canaries.
    Man Utd even smashed them .

    Leno

    Bellerin Holding sok Tierney
    Iwobi, Ozil, AMN ,Pepe
    PEA/Laca

  14. Danny S

    It should be Pepe, Ozil, martinelli and auba/laca up front.

    I’m still not convinced you can shoehorn both into the side, and if you do I’m of the opinion that laca should go wide due to is superior work rate and auba just sit on the shoulder of the last man.

  15. Un na naai

    Champagne Charlie

    Are you still dead against Rodgers then it has his Leicester form softened your views at all?

  16. Freddie Ljungberg

    CG

    Don’t think Everton will let us borrow Iwobi for today, AMN isn’t a midfielder either, he’s barely a footballer ffs.

    Pepe Auba Martinelli/Saka

    For me up top, no more of this squeezing in both our strikers at the same time nonsense, only time that’s ok is if we’re chasing a game in the last 20 minutes.

    Is Bellerin even fit, he had a hamstring problem if I remember correctly

    Chambers Luiz Holding Tierney

    Maybe Sok for Holding if he’s still not up to speed.

    our midfield is a shambles no matter who plays so not sure what to do there.

    Torreira Guen Willock if we go 4-3-3

    if not take out one of Guen and Willock and put Ceballos in there, Ozil can’t play in an away game surely.

  17. Mark

    I’m not sure where this plan B is meant to come from? During Arsenal’s long run last season without defeat were execs meant to be tapping up managers as replacements?
    When then ? After the Baku disaster ? Senior team execs are desperate to show stability and very few teams including Real Madrid are currently projecting one result sackings . No club wants to sack mid season and most Arsenal supporters were prepared to give Unai one more season.
    The surprise to everyone was his falling of a cliff. This was not evident at the start of this season.
    Managers fail all the time. If you can sack them season end all to the good . This was likely the plan for this season . If you have to sack mid season 99% of the time the deputy takes over. The Spuds are supposedly paying twice the going rate to employ a manager who is probably past his best. Is that a plan? Lots are saying yes, others might say desperation.
    Best bet is to let things take their course and keep Freddie for as long as it works

  18. Freddie Ljungberg

    Just checked and Bellerin Holding Luiz and Mustafi are all doubtful to be playing due to injuries. Doesn’t leave many choices if all of them are missing.

    Another Sok masterclass incoming then…

    Ceballos is also out with injury so Ozil has to put on his big boy pants if he can find them if we’re going with a CAM today.

  19. Champagne charlie

    Un

    Not dead against, but more because of the poor appointment of Emery prior than his good start to his time at Leicester.

    I don’t rate him as a coach to take us to where we ultimately want to be, and he’s not what I’d consider someone for the interim. So he fills a queer void. I have my own preference for how I’d like to see us navigated and he’s not my flavour.

  20. CG

    UN

    Stop this Rogers thing.

    Missed the boat here: he cant keeping walking out of clubs for better jobs.

    Thats treachery.

    Reading Swansea, Celtic and now Leicester?

    the man is a brilliant coach but he is inherently disloyal

    how can he ask players to be loyal – when he clearly is not?

    Chalk him off the list.

    And Don’t we want fine Art returning at the Arsenal?
    He was loyal- he took a pay cut to Join us!

  21. Þorkell Einarsson

    there is a tinkel in my stomach today, not a good sign but I am counting
    on Martinelli and özil .. and auba !!

  22. Samir

    Have a feeling Freddie will start Willock ; He was a big part of his team for the U23s, did a great job.

    …………Leno………….
    Bellerin–Chambers–Luiz–Tierney
    ………….Torreira–Willock…………
    …….Pepe–Ozil–Auba
    …………..Laca…………

  23. Alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    Your list illustrating how the next arsenal manager needs to work resembles the way a manager of Southampton or Crystal Palace might need to work.

    Since when did arsenal become such a small club?

  24. China1

    Logos article Pedro

    My only gripe is the mention of aiming for a champions league final. Finals shouldn’t be the target – winning should be the target!

    Losing CL finals is one of the most painful footballing experiences ever regardless of the huge achievement in getting there

    Tbh it hurts less to lose a semi or a quarter final than a final. Took me 2 weeks to get over the 2006 final

    Bad times…

  25. China1

    And yeah I don’t think it’s the case that we can’t compete for too players

    If we have a couple of good seasons in the league and CL the finances and prestige will be there. We can’t get AAA players tomorrow in all likelihood but if the club does well in the years to come we can

    Liverpool have demonstrated the roadmap from average to elite in a few years

  26. CG

    Alex H

    “”””Since when did arsenal become such a small club?”””””

    The moment Arsene Wenger left the Huddersfield turn off on the M1 South bound.

    Shrinking ever since.

  27. Alexanderhenry

    China 1

    Liverpool have demonstrated the roadmap from average to elite in a few years.

    Hmm.. It’s taken them more like 30 years.

    The big difference was when they were bought by the Fenway group.

  28. sleeping giant

    I can’t agree with the Rogers dismissal here. . The concept of home grown is overrated but I have been saying for years this is the finest home grown coach since Ferguson. It may be a low bar, but this guy has proven time and again to be an outstanding manager. And this is not overreaction to his Leicester performance..this dates back to Swansea. I may get stick for saying it, but I believe he is a borderline great coach, he has dealt with adversity(a huge plus) and I think his real achievements will be in the future, given the right hand. The only downside is the media are not admirers..to those of us of an age, that seems like a plus, but truthfully in this day and age their endorsement is needed. I’m not saying he’s my first choice btw, but he should be a very very strong candidate.
    The Arteta love-in is increasingly problematic. However it’s dressed up, it has no basis other than fan-boy nostalgia, which I understand but can’t ever support as a rationale for hiring a manager. And please.. nobody mention Lampard…he’s done nothing that merits an influence on this process! While Arteta may have a future, and he shouldn’t be defined by this, it’s worth pointing out that this is his 1st season as a no.2(I think), and city have hugely regressed. There was previously never any metric to measure him by(other than poch and pep liked him ffs!!). Now the only metric, however slight, is a worrying one. In all truth, if there is a progressive robust selection process the boy shouldn’t even be in the discussion and never should have been last time. If you want promise..go with Nagelsman.. there is some substance there and the decision is not clouded by old boy nonsense or starry eyed Pep worship. Arteta may come off..but there is nothing whatsoever to elevate him into the conversation above any 1st time no.2 anywhere other than a decent stint as a player. This is a huge decision..a far greater one than last time in my opinion. Need to get it right and not base it on starry eyed optimism.

  29. Ernest Reed

    Whomever Arsenal get to come in, they had better command respect because from stories circulating from various sources, the real issues may in fact lie with the players themselves. Some of them certainly are in need of a swift boot to their rears as their behaviour was flat out unprofessional.

    A lot of big names are being tossed around, but an obvious question comes to mind – why would anyone want to manage this Arsenal team? The reality may be that Arsenal are just not that attractive to the big names.

  30. Nelson

    We don’t have players like the Pool to play an efftecive high pressing game. Auba, Pepe, Ozil, Saka,Guen and Xhaka, all can’t press effectively. It is a No No if you do a partial pressing like what Emery did. He asked Torr to do the high pressing. You need the whole team to do the high pressing to be effective. Otherwise, the midfield would be all over the place.

    The two players in our team who can do high pressing are Martinelli and Willock. We’ll need two more of those in the midfield to play like Loserpool. For now, I recommend we play positional defending when we don’t have the ball. That is Jose’s tactic. Every player knows his defensive assignment. The team can recover the defensive shape very quickly.

    Of course, Jose likes fast counter football. We saw it yesterday when SPUDs played two long balls for Alli to score. We have Pepe and Auba who can do the same too. FL has only two days to train the players, I don’t expect much today though.

  31. theskywalker

    Arteta? A mediocre midfielder with no experience in managing even a school team! Yes,he is Pep’s side kick and as a Spaniard,Pep will say nice things! Vieira was a fearsome midfielder, a leader in his Arsenal days. But let Josh Kroenke as he says should take time to look for the potential coach. Freddie can at least manage for 3 months. Fresh thinking in the New Year.

  32. theskywalker

    Vieira was a fearsome midfielder, a leader in his Arsenal days,than Arteta ever was . But let Josh Kroenke as he says should take time to look for the potential coach. Freddie can at least manage for 3 months. Fresh thinking in the New Year.

  33. Rhys Jaggar

    Questions:

    1. Did Emery demand spending £70m on Pepe or was he told to work with him? Would spending £70m on a central defender and £20m on a young LAM have been a more balanced plan?

    If Emery was not shaping the squad in the summer, then whoever was is the person who needs throwing under the bus. There is a champions league strike force and a Championship level defence right now. And you win nothing with that…

    2. How many here seriously think Arsenal had a superior squad to Chelsea for the game in Baku?

    If the answer is more than zero it says a lot about true knowledge levels of the most caustic set of fans in the EPL. Emery did not fail in Europa League last year, he performed according to expectations. He lost in the final to a superior outfit.

    3. How on earth did Emery manage to win three Europa Leagues with a tinpot outfit in Southern Spain who freely admitted their transfer rivals were Swansea and Spurs of five years ago? Selling ten players every summer and bringing ten new ones in? How did Arsenal suddenly push him back seven levels?

    Well??

    The questions must be focussed entirely on Arsenal unless you bring out evidence that rampant tournament fixing was occurring over several years…

    There is no argument on earth which can contend that Emery could possibly win one Europa League, let alone three back-to-back, being a know-nothing, ignorant bullshitter without a scintilla of coaching knowledge. Why? Becuse the oh so superior EPL coaches would have taken him to the cleaners every year.

    So I return to the knowledge base of the most destructive blogosphere in world football: this site. Tell me how Sevilla could win European trophies under the clueless clown Emery when their budget was that of Swansea.

    Answer it or never ever have the right to ever work anywhere in the world, ever again. You are not world beating at anything, Peter Wood and the price for you saying you are is being thrown in front of a high speed train….

    4. If players who are too useless to play out from the back is a footballing promotion for Emery, do me a favour. He came from a tinpot small outfit with players who could play football via loadsamunnee PSG and now is responsible for a shambles of a once half-decent club frittering away tens of millions on overhyped, overpaid, preening self-absorbed dross?

    There are many people responsible for that, Emery is not one of them.

    The players are responsible for not educating themselves and blagging huge contracts as unworthy chancers. The entire recruitment operation of AFC is reponsible for poor decision-making, overpaying for AAA-rated junk.

    AFC was like credulous European banks buying worthless repackaged subprime mortgage CDOs from US sharks. The US sharks in football are called agents and cackling selling clubs.

    Emery’s failure was not asking whether the Arsenal squad could play his way. They clearly could not.

    AFCs failure, from top to bottom, was living on past glories, thinking throwing money would solve problems and failing to face reality that EPL finances now mean there are very few selling clubs in England any more. And if they are, then like Leiceter they demand premium prices like for Mahrez, Maguire et al.

    Leicester have billionaire owners, Fosun at Wolves are richer than Kroenke or Abramovitch. They are not frightened of sixty thousand fans, they have billions in the bank.

    There is very little in intergenerational Arsenal DNA other than vitriolically abusive Spurs haters. Bertie Mee, George Graham and Arsene Wenger have almost nothing in common. There is no football DNA, there is not even the ethos of To Dare is To Do as a cultural imprint, however unsuccessful that might have been up the road. Even the signature fans song merely proclaims that the head of the Catholic Church is a foul mouthed antisemitic bully.

    So my advice is to stop blaming a manager who won bigger trophies than Wenger in the past eight years, with a far smaller club, and focus on the organisational and cultural cesspit that AFC has descended into.

    Then ask who would take on the thankless job before the alcoholics have finally said MY NAME IS ????? AND I AM AN ALCOHOLIC.

    Well, who in their right mind would?

  34. Un na naai

    CG

    Wind it in. I like Rodgers. He’s doing very very well and we are being linked with him. Naturally it will arouse some curiosity. I don’t see us paying £14m for him, poch is almost certainly looking to take a break and Arteta is looking like he’s clearly the front runner but it’s as worth discussing as any of the bullshit on here.

  35. bennydevito

    We became a small club after years of being the banter club and the butt of all jokes defensively culminating in being dumped into the EL by Wenger leaving us 6th in the league.

    Anyway, thankfully Wenger the original clown is no longer with us and the clown apprentice that was Emery has also left the building.

    Onto today, I fancy a euphoric 4 nil win with Pepe to score a couple a d put in a man of the match performance.

  36. Emiratesstroller

    Let’s be honest Ljungberg supported by Mertesacker cannot do a worse job than his predecessor Emery.

    What Ljungberg needs to do is play attacking and direct football and play to our strengths and not our weaknesses. Arsenal has attacking players in its squad who are amongst the best in EPL but they need delivery.

    Everyone knows by now that Arsenal’s achilles heel is the defensive department of our game so the starting point needs to be”discipline, “organisation” and above all” concentration.”

    The goalkeeper [Leno] needs to stop his short goal kick passes, the centre backs need to move the ball quickly and decisively out of defence, the full/wing backs need to be in right position when we are defending and also not attack as has been too frequent at same time.

    Above all we need to find stability and the right balance in midfield. We have been completely outplayed in that department this season. Part of the problem is inexperience. My view is that Guendouzi is a serious weakness and
    that has shown in far too many games this season.

    At the moment some of our younger players are clearly struggling in many games. We should avoid playing too many at the same time. We saw vividly what can happen in such a situation against Eintracht.

    Arsenal need to resolve problems with our defence. I don’t know whether there are any potential centre backs available in January, but that needs to be
    our priority. The current personnel on our books are not fit for purpose by any
    figment of imagination.

  37. CG

    UN

    Ill take it on board- I was not quelling the debate- apologies if you thought I was-just observing that the man is albeit clearly talented an inherently disloyal man.

    He comes to Arsenal and Real Madrid come calling – he will depart.

    Celtic fans detest him- and he won every trophy going there.

    Says an awful lot

  38. habesha gooner

    “Arteta will be Manchester City like
    entertaining possession-based attacking football.” Pedro I know arteta’s hair is sexy but Is there an alternate universe where you have seen him manage one game let alone him managing an entertaining possession-based attacking football? How do you know enlighten us please.

  39. Cesc Appeal

    Looking forward to today.

    Really want Ljungberg to do well. He looks at this club like a fan, you can hear it in his words, that should translate to the players. You play for the shirt is one of the first things he said to them.

    I’d like him to have the confidence to send out the team he wants to and not think he has to keep some consistency and send out the most obvious choices.

    I want to see Martinelli start today. I want to see Chambers get a go at CB because I think he’s earned it. I want to see Pepe fired up and direct in a front line with Martinelli and Aubameyang.

  40. bennydevito

    CGDecember 1, 2019    10:13:12

    UN

    Stop this Rogers thing.

    Missed the boat here: he cant keeping walking out of clubs for better jobs.

    Thats treachery.

    Reading Swansea, Celtic and now Leicester?

    the man is a brilliant coach but he is inherently disloyal

    how can he ask players to be loyal – when he clearly is not?

    Chalk him off the list.

    And Don’t we want fine Art returning at the Arsenal?
    He was loyal- he took a pay cut to Join us!

    >>>>>

    Agree 100%. What’s to stop Rogers leaving us in the lurch 1 year down the line after he’s got us up the league and back in the CL then Madrid, City or Juve come calling?

    Man’s got no loyalty.

  41. Nelson

    Rhys Jagger

    Emery wanted Zaha. The board decided on Pepe. In fact, Emery wanted two of his former Sevilla midfielders and was given Torr and Guen instead. Emery wanted to keep Iwobi, Monreal and Kos but the board traded them away.

    But Emery and his assistants also had major weakness. After 18 months, they still can’t train the players to play out from the back. Of course, trying to train PapaSok was almost impossible. Emery misused Torr and Xhaka in midfield was a major mistake. He can’t integrate Pepe was also a failure. He created a fight with Ozil. He changed formations continuously. He became weak and timid and focused only on opponent’s strength. He offered boring football.

  42. GillespieRoadNoMore

    Just plundering the management hierarchy of Ajax would be one way to achieve a youth oriented culture, Overmars has Arsenal DNA already.

  43. Un na naai

    CG

    No need to apologise to me mate. All good but I disagree that all Celtic fans despise him. I’ve got a lot of Glaswegian Celtic fans in my family and that think he’s great. Better than Neil Lennon.

    Benny.
    Yeah he may well leave us for a better club but he’d have to be a success first and I’d not begrudge him that if he offers up anything as good as what spurs were getting off Poch.
    You think Pep is loyal to city? The coaching world is a fucking merry go round in the modern world.

  44. Pierre

    Rhys
    “There is no argument on earth which can contend that Emery could possibly win one Europa League, let alone three back-to-back, being a know-nothing, ignorant bullshitter without a scintilla of coaching knowledge. ”

    To be honest, the last few weeks he has been giving a fantastic impression of “being a know-nothing, ignorant bullshitter without a scintilla of coaching knowledge. ” , don’t you think ?

  45. Edu me a favour

    “ It was always my opinion that our unbeaten run was largely due to the team still having Wenger’s DNA in their play .As soon as the clowns philosophy took hold , the quality of the football deteriorated.”

    I agree with this. We were still our usual flat track bully selves during this run. And then we fell off a cliff after being pushed by emery.

    Not expecting too much from today’s game. Hoping Freddie does away with playing out the back and the back 3.

    If it’s high octane pressing he’s after , he’s only going to get that from the kids. A lot of our seniors have been a disgrace.

    Hoping the relief of emery gone will give us a bit of a nudge in the right direction.

    Also hoping that Freddie is still the same guy that dropped his note book and put his head in his hands after xhaka gave away a pen against spurs. That guy knows how atrocious xhaka is.

  46. Un na naai

    NelsonDecember 1, 2019 11:46:23
    Rhys JaggerEmery wanted Zaha. The board decided on Pepe. In fact, Emery wanted two of his former Sevilla midfielders and was given Torr and Guen instead. Emery wanted to keep Iwobi, Monreal and Kos but the board traded them away.

    Nelson
    So instead of being a grown up he sabotaged the team and misused everyone available. He was never the right man for arsenal. There is absolutely no reason why this squad should not be up there with Leicester and Chelsea this season and we aren’t because of emery. Rodgers and Poch are doing a lot more with a lot less than he’s been given. He’s 3rd rate. And that’s being kind. The players knew it, they knew every day that his muddled instructions were counter productive and now he’s gone

    CG and Pierre called this over a year ago when he benched Ozil and Ramsey and they were spot on.

    I called it before a ball was kicked but was willing to give him time.
    It all went to shit once he fucked around with Torreira for me. After Xmas he dropped him then played him further forward when deployed and we then had to pretty much rely on xakha and Guendouzi. A cmf pairing made of straw.

  47. Edu me a favour

    Pedro

    I’ll ask you again

    Why is Rhys jaggar allowed back on this blog ??? He used openly racist language towards black footballers on here – you clearly binned him and now he’s back ?

    Why have you let him back on here ?

  48. Un na naai

    Edu me a favourDecember 1, 2019 11:58:41
    “ It was always my opinion that our unbeaten run was largely due to the team still having Wenger’s DNA in their play .As soon as the clowns philosophy took hold , the quality of the football deteriorated.”I agree with this. We were still our usual flat track bully selves during this run. And then we fell off a cliff after being pushed by emery.

    I concur.
    The whoopings we dished out to Leicester and Fulham were classic wenger football and a world away from anything Emery can muster.

  49. Guns of Brixton

    Freddie needs to get hair implants.

    Then dye his hair red.

    That would be a legend move. The shithousery it ll cause in the Managerial world.

  50. CG

    Playboy Josh

    “””“Our process is already underway. It’s going to be led by Raul, Vinai, Edu & Huss here internally. I look forward to getting with them & working closely with them throughout this process”””

    We are snookered then:

    Put 5 Prized Pillocks together in a room- guarantee they will pick another one!

    This sorry lot some who came up with the Clown with their first process.
    And indeed they even wanted to extend his contract post Baku

    They wont go and find the best guy- someone who actually wants to win at all costs or even challenge them….

    They will simply pick the best candidate that keeps them in their lofty and lucrative positions and doesnt challenge them.

    Vinny ” “”i would not change a thing”””
    Josh “”the final piece of the jigsaw”””- when Edu arrived

    One Clown down and another batch pop up!

  51. Ernest Reed

    English may not have been Emery’s best language, but reading what some of you write on here daily, English isn’t yours either. At least Emery tried.

  52. That Dreamcast Kid

    CG I may be having premature ejaculation but I’m content enough with the backroom setup of former players that way the new generation can understand the actual culture and pride of the club. The history and what it actually means to play for the shirt.

    These days it feels too soulless and cynical. I just want to feel the excitement again and togetherness again.

    Victoria Concordia Crescit

  53. Edu me a favour

    “ English may not have been Emery’s best language, but reading what some of you write on here daily, English isn’t yours either. At least Emery tried.”

    What’s this got to do with how badly he failed at Arsenal ?

  54. Ishola70

    The unbeaten run wasn’t even impressive when looked at more deeply.

    Home form apart which in itself doesn’t mark a truly good team Arsenal didn’t play an away side that finished in the top ten half of the table and the run was littered with second tier europa league games and some beer cup matches.

    And it is ironic if people are saying that this over-rated run had Wenger DNA in it because I distinctly remember many stating the performances not actually very good for enough of the matches and it was a case of churning out results.

    So instead of keep slobbering over Arsene Wenger the more likely scenario is that the team responded to a period to a new face in charge coupled with a nice run of fixtures.

  55. Ishola70

    And what a load of tosh written by the Wengrites on here last night about no need for pressing.

    Arsenal have clearly suffered for being shit off the ball now for well over a decade and these Wenger lovers have the bare faced cheek to state that there isn’t any need to work off the ball and the nasty man Emery was evil to try to implement it.

    Newsflash

    Arsenal suffered for years and years under Wenger for being shit off the ball and the club could have gone onto better things if not being so shit off the ball. Being shit off the ball finally caught up with Wenger as we saw in his last few seasons.

  56. That Dreamcast Kid

    I think Pierre meant the Fulham match where we got our groove to play one touch counter attacking footy. Remember that Ramsey goal? From back to front with Ozil involved in that play too.

    That was orgasmic one of the few happy memories of last season.

  57. Ernest Reed

    The man tried and yes, he did fail in his role – but accountability lies more with the same cast of characters that ultimately tuned out Wenger as well, the players.

    I dont think that it actually matters who they bring in, if you have the same toxic group of players then nothing will change.

  58. That Dreamcast Kid

    Yeah as if the only way to defend is to press eh?

    Try to mark the space instead? Control the space for passes instead? Don’t have to run around headless chicken-like trying to hunt down their men.

  59. Ishola70

    More shit.

    It’s called working off the ball whether it’s press or anticipating or whatever you want to term it.

    It all falls under working off the ball.

    And Arsenal have been shit at it for well over a decade.

  60. Ishola70

    Brother we can look to be positive for the future yes but certain people also need to be called out for the shit they spew in the present.

    And it’s all Wenger related.

    Why don’t they fuck off and become FIFA groupies.

  61. Un na naai

    Ishola70December 1, 2019 12:29:04
    It was like fucking Untold on here last night.Absolute trash Wenger talk.

    Boohoo snowflake. Still the greatest manager we’ve ever had and still better at his worst than anything we’ve had since

  62. That Dreamcast Kid

    Ah yeah Ishola70 and off the ball movements are what we are sorely lacking anyway in defense and attack.

    So someone that are class at it managing this squad now will improve I’m sure.

    I’m just a bit optimistic again due to the potential of this squad that’s all.

  63. Leon

    The problem – the real problem is the Arsenal board and management system.
    What exactly does Edu do?
    And Raul Sanhelli ?
    Josh Kroenke talks about getting back to basics and having fun?
    I really don’t understand this at all.
    They are paid tens of thousands of pounds a week to kick a ball around and doing what they enjoy and they are not having fun ?
    The Arsenal ownership and management are a complete and utter joke.
    What has Sanhelli done to benefit Arsenal?
    Paid 70 million for a player that we didn’t need.
    And what exactly does Edu do?
    What does a Technical Director do that a club manager couldn’t do himself?
    Nothing from what I can see.
    Emery was part of the problem at Arsenal.
    Just a part of it.
    The real problem lies with the ownership of the club and “management team” that Kroenke has assembled
    Arsenal are a shambles…

  64. Edu me a favour

    “ So instead of keep slobbering over Arsene Wenger the more likely scenario is that the team responded to a period to a new face in charge coupled with a nice run of fixtures.”

    Who’s slobbering over wenger ?

    At the start of last season We were crap , flat track bullies as per – like we’re we’re under wenger – as soon as emeryball took over we were shit

    Hardly a ringing endorsement for wenger was it

  65. Gentlebris

    ‘There’s no theme here, which likely means Edu doesn’t have a plan that he’s executing against.’

    You have to know that the shortlists you have seen are all fake, the media dreamed them up.

    I have my doubts but I think Josh has a clear idea of what he wants to do with Arsenal. He’s in charge now, and I feel he’s inclined to prove that the Kroenkes American family are capable of fulfilling the potentials of a big British football club.

    I knew why they crawled a bit on firing Emery even before Josh gave the reasons, Emery is a complete gentleman, and you would have to be a very ruthless businessman to fire a gentleman from such a lofty seat even when he’s failing to deliver.

    So I believe we have an idea of what football we want to play and how to play it. Emery gave a good presentation but couldn’t implement the vision he sold in the interview. It can happen in business. Our guys in charge have learnt a big lesson with Emery, and that’s why I’m sure they will be more interested in the concept history of a prospective hire much more than another explosive vision; and dear Pedro, that’s why I know they will surely not hire Arteta.

  66. China1

    Alex it hasn’t taken them 30 years

    They yoyod for 30 years with no clearly defined or sustained progress outside of a single one off CL run and one or two decent league runs

    They have otherwise been nothing other than an afterthought at the upper end of world football

    The last handful of years is when they turned a corner and kicked on in seriousness. They almost won the league under Rogers and then within a few years of Klopp appear to have developed a genuinely elite team rather than just a good team punching above their weight

    This current Liverpool team is strides better than any they’ve produced in decades and they’ve demonstrated that with smart recruitment and great management this can be done without being run by a sugar daddy

  67. Paulinho

    Gotta laugh at Flores getting sacked.

    Said at the time it was a laughable nonsense appointment. Supposed ‘defensive’ coach yet still conceding bucketfuls.

  68. China1

    Alex there’s a huge change in Liverpool since they started going for modern and charismatic managers.

    Before Rogers and Klopp there was a whole bunch of relative meh going back decades

  69. China1

    Alex there’s a huge change in Liverpool since they started going for modern and charismatic managers.

    Before Rogers and Klopp there was a whole bunch of relative meh going back decades

    It’s only in the last 5 years when they combined great modern and charismatic management with good recruitment and its completely transformed them

    There’s no point in us copying their first 25 years of meh. The blueprint to follow is their last 5 years

  70. DaleDaGooner

    Few things,

    Some folks are asking why Vieira isn’t mentioned constantly, in my opinion, he shouldn’t even be considered. We forget that he agitated for a move towards the end of his time with us and when he did come back, he went straight to City. He isn’t interested in the legacy he has with Arsenal.

    In regards to the shambles we are In right now, Sanllehi, Venkatesham, Kroenke (Josh) and to a small extent, Edu are a bit clueless.
    Yes, the 70m on Pepe was crazy having not straightened the defense out. I agree we needed a statement signing, but Pepe isn’t worth what we have committed.

    Ishola70, stop it…..you’re toxic

  71. Paulinho

    We should give Rodgers wide berth now. The time to get him was 2018 but we fucked about, and getting him now would lead to inflated expectations due to fans thinking we have the same tools as Leicester, when the reality is they have talented high-level players spread around the pitch and our talent pool is top heavy, and heavily flawed, to go with it.

  72. That Dreamcast Kid

    The mistake with Emery is he brought his own backroom staff who just charge in not knowing what the club is all about. Just imagine some guys that know nothing about your footballing culture trying to tell you what to do incoherently. Will you have faith and take their words for it? Will you execute their plan? What will happen when it doesn’t work?

    Thus we dither on it due to the high cost of wholesale firing Emery and his staff too. Either way the next proper manager should first learn the values of the club not just the players. In fact, Kroenke SHOULD learn the values of the club.

  73. TR7

    Zaha would have been a much better signing than Gervinho MK II. £70M poorly spent. Or we could have spent the money on a quality DM/CM.

  74. Zizi

    For me, Chris Wilder should be our next manager. Read the article about him in today’s Sunday Times. He is the embodiment of of what George Graham was like at his best. An almost perfect track record wherever he has managed.
    The Arsenal Board will take against him because of his unshaven look and dodgy suits!
    The man is a winner.

  75. That Dreamcast Kid

    Even Klopp knows and respects Liverpool because of what they were before. Their history, their fans and all that. Look how he took him to their 6th (sixth) CL wins now.

    The fact that he is a charismatic manager that can communicate well with the media and most importantly with the millionaire players is what makes him a very successful manager indeed.

    The thing that is sorely missing from the waffling Emery. No respect from everyone ahaha.

  76. Savage

    “…As I mentioned a few weeks ago, there really is no plan on the manager and we’re accruing a shortlist now because no one was thinking about exiting Emery this season…”

    Pedro is so full of himself. Anyone can look like a genius at pointing out things they think are wrong.

  77. That Dreamcast Kid

    TR7 I know you’re just bantering about Gerboue Mark II but under Emery I won’t discount his TRUE ABILITY yet.

    His confidence was low he was mismanaged badly. The potential is there in the few brilliant flashes that we’ve seen.

  78. Nelson

    Arsenal XI confirmed: Leno; Chambers, Mustafi, Luiz, Kolasinac; Xhaka, Guendouzi, Willock, Ozil; Aubameyang, Lacazette

  79. Pierre

    China
    ” This current Liverpool team is strides better than any they’ve produced in decades ”

    In 3 months time you may not be thinking this.
    They are scraping by at the moment, they are relying van dyke and trent Arnold to stay fit or they may be due for an almighty fall.

    They haven’t had a convincing performance for a while now and they look to me like they are close to twitchy bum time, which is a little early in the season.

  80. That Dreamcast Kid

    Savage you just need to remember now PedRo just need something to write on everyday and for that he’s going for this persona to incite discussion. You will be tired and bored too blogging for almost 13 years without a change of tune or rhythm. Used to have Geoff to interchange and all that. Don’t know where that Grizzly Geezer gone now. Primetime for him to come back now!

    And I off course thank him for that!

  81. China1

    Let’s see how pepe is doing by February. If he’s still doing poorly then we are probably not getting any more out of him

    But a player who is not settled, low on confidence, being replaced by teenagers, can’t speak the language and playing in a toxic environment and under a crap manager is unlikely to show you his best

  82. Paulinho

    Willock so not ready for this level but his natural movement is vertical, and we need that from deep midfield, so I can see why Freddie has put him in.

    He could play shit yet his natural movement could help others.

    Not looking forward to this though, and not expecting much.

  83. Samesong

    He could play shit yet his natural movement could help others.

    Spot on with this P

    What a game for Willock to prove that he can do something. Willock often tries to run a players also.

    I’m very optimistic today.

  84. Ishola70

    lol Emery would have been slaughtered for picking that line-up.

    Anyway let’s see how it goes.

    Five words.

    Attack! Atack! Attack! Attack! Attack!

    That’s how Arsenal can do something.

  85. Batistuta

    Wouldn’t be a bad time to take Doucoure from Watford.. Not sure he’d want to go down with that shower of shite

  86. Ishola70

    May be wise though from Ljungberg to split up the two shit sandwiches Luiz and Sok.

    Worry is another shit sandwich comes in though in the shape of Mustafi.

    At least there is a bit more pace in the centre of defence now that Luiz and Sok have been split up.

  87. Ishola70

    Batistuta
    “Wouldn’t be a bad time to take Doucoure from Watford.. Not sure he’d want to go down with that shower of shite”

    Watford raid for me.

    Deulofeu as well as Doucoure.

  88. CG

    Ominous for Pepe.

    Fred not a Fan.
    Love to scrutinize the paperwork trail in this Pepe Deal

    Zaha all day long.

    Proven and a Gunner to boot!

  89. bennydevito

    What a terrible lineup!

    Xhaka, Mustafi and Ozil all starting.

    No pace or pressing with those 3 and accidents waiting to happen in 2 vital areas of the pitch.

    A very conservative, negative and safe selection nothing bold, dynamic or exciting there whatsoever.

    How very disappointing.

    Did Emery pick this team??