’TIME and MONEY’ pleas lose steam after BATE nightmare

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Well, well, well.

It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find a line of defence when it comes to the rapid decline of the Unai Emery maiden voyage. Last night’s loss to BATE is a tough result to compute for many reasons, but before we jump into the details, let’s be real here… we will beat them in the return leg. It’ll be a destruction.

I’m just going to bullet out some concerns that the game threw out.

  • Chelsea is in freefall, United were totally outclassed by PSG and have a nasty run of games that will leave them fatigued and sad. We have just clawed our way back into top 4 contention. It’s incredibly important that Arsenal remain fresh until the end of the season. Emery just tanked away from home against a shite team and now he’ll have to rescue the game with a hard return at The Emirates when he should be resting players.
  • BATE is an out of season pub team. Their last game was December 13th vs PAOK. How can there be any excusing a loss like this with a first team that is in PEAK fitness mode? We’d be furious if the kids tanked that game. Alex fucking Hleb played. This is what he had to say on the game prior:

‘Arsenal are at the peak of readiness – for them this is a huge plus,’ Hleb told Pressball, a leading sports newspaper in Belarus.

‘It will be hard for us, and very much so. But we will try to squeeze the maximum out of the physical form that we have gained.

‘We are not yet ready (to play at) 100 per cent, but the coaching staff decided not to force anything – realising that the guys had to rest after a hard season. And now we are working – in general, everything is according to plan.’

  • A lot of fans are blaming the TERRIBLE PLAYERS EMERY INHERITED from dear old Arsene Wenger. That excuse took a sharp slice to the jugular last night because Wenger put 10 goals past them, winning 6-0 and 4-2. In the 2017 6-0 game, do you know who scored? Debuchy, Elneny, Giroud, Theo Walcott, Giroud and Jack Wilshere. Emery added £70m worth of talent and still took an L away from home. To repeat: Wenger, with a squad that had given up on breathing, still managed to turn over a pub team twice.
    • Also worth remembering at the start of the season, the people celebrating the WINNERTIVITY Emery had brought to a limp squad of Wenger babies (me), are now saying nothing can be done with Wenger’s limp lizards (not me). Are we really blaming Wenger for an away loss to Bate Borisov in mid-February?
  • The manager didn’t take Mesut or Ramsey away (the Welshman damaged a knee carpet sliding after that deal), leaving our creative outlets to be our fullbacks again. This isn’t bearing fruit. Why does Emery persist? Why not use the players who can help? Mend those collapsed bridges, because we are literally throwing away any chance of success this season by leaning on failing strategies that the players seem to have given up on. This was BATE away from home. Emery can’t even be bothered to humiliate Ozil in the hope that maybe he’ll drop a performance worthy of a Premier League start (or, dare I say it, a performance that might invite a bid this summer).
    • When the players lose faith, it cannot easily be rectified with additions. You can’t replace an entire squad, gossip memory is a thing. That’s why it’s so important for Emery to turn this around. The cracks need to be filled this season with good coaching, adding a layer of class to proceedings in the summer. You can’t prop up a toxic squad with more bodies. That’s not how it works. If Emery doesn’t have the player believing by the end of the season, he’s done by December.
  • Additionally, does anyone think the effort output of anyone in the side is greatly outshining what Mesut would bring? Is Mikhi really putting in a shift? Iwobi? Is it not time to make Mesut and Ramsey work for their money. I’d prefer lazy and class, versus meh levels of effort and meh levels of ability. We had 3 shots on target today. In the second half, we didn’t hit the target until the 92nd minute. That is shite. We need to create. A lazy creator feeding outrageously clinical strikers sounds a better plan than average creators feeding nobody.
  • We are in February and the same predictable approach of using our fullbacks to create cutbacks is being used. We have no interest in working through the middle. We are so dull to watch. If you are predictable, you are easy to plan against. This used to happen under Wenger.
  • The players can’t motivate themselves for the small games. That tells you a lot about how interested they are in the manager and his ideas. Motivation should not be an issue with top level footballers. It certainly shouldn’t be an issue in a new managers first season.
    • Emery stands on the sidelines like he’s just found out The Daily Mail has accessed his ephemeral SnapChats from 2015. Zero sauce. Total panic. You might think that’s a minor observation, but come on, who isn’t going to be affected by the weak body language?
  • If Emery is such a demon with the video analysis, why didn’t he realise the pitch would look like a WWI trench warfare simulation rehearsal had taken place on it? Playing it along the ground was never going to work. As someone pointed out, Chelsea complained about the pitch. We had no plan to deal with it.
  • Suarez. Can someone hit me up with the ‘why’ here? Light-weight, weak passing, can’t even take a corner. Why did we bother with him if he wasn’t ready to hit the ground running?
  • Finally, a lot of folk gossiping that the lack of Emery funds were down to the board worrying he wouldn’t make it past this season. Does Raul see Emery as an Ivan signing? Does he identify the folly in giving a £100m to a man who needed £300m to rectify PSG taking a spanking from Monaco in his first season? Doubtful. But come on, it’s not unreasonable to be logical about Raul and his thoughts, is it? If you’re a real football man, and you watch the game with clear eyes, do you truly believe Emery is any good? Of course not. Zero vision or style in 9 months is alarm bells for real football people. Telling the world you’d be the protagonists whilst fixing the defence needed tangible results, and they haven’t come. Why waste a summer on someone who can’t craft a style or vision with a squad that costs £220m a season is a joke, especially when you can see what Bielsa did with Leeds (a 7th place team in a lower division that had never played expansive technical football).

Before you go, GFFN has a supportive article on Emery you should read here.

“There is no success without a real relationship with the players”. Right from the start, he has been making pain-staking efforts to create strong bonds with his players. For example, he went to meet Neymar before the Brazilian left for the World Cup. “That’s the great difference between him and Emery”, surmises Canal + pundit Eric Carrière. “The Spaniard saw players as “X”, like tools he could use to win. It is the opposite for Tuchel. For him players are human beings, with a name, a personality, a sensibility and proper characteristics”.

And to whom you must show affection through a little hug, a little text message or some extra holiday time. “His management relies on benevolence, which doesn’t exclude authority and discipline, just like Rabiot and Mbappé experienced after being late at the pre-Classique speech and therefore sent on the bench at the Vélodrome,” says Carrière. “The strength of this manager is his ability to unite. Today, if a player doesn’t feel the kindness or thinks it is fake, he won’t fight for you. And you can tell that it is not fake with Tuchel. It is way easier to win trophies with such a team… Emery was a good tactician but didn’t have this ability”.

My narrative on Emery is fueled by good intel, not gut feel. Watch this space, Le Grove will lead the way on this one, I can assure you. He’s the Spanish David Moyes, or hopefully, the 1996 Bruce Rioch. Either way, he’s not leading us to the promised land. Be sure of that my friends. x

475 Responses to “’TIME and MONEY’ pleas lose steam after BATE nightmare”

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  1. jwl

    Joke Friday –

    A thief broke into the police headquarters during the night and took all the toilets. Cops say they have nothing to go on.

  2. jwl

    I’ll never forget my grandfather’s last words to me before he kicked the bucket. He looked me in the eyes and said, ‘Son, how far do you think I can kick this bucket?’

  3. jwl

    Dad comes to his son and tells him he’s adopted. The boy screams. ‘I knew it! I wanna see my real parents!’

    Dad replies, ‘We are your real parents, son. Pack your stuff, they’re waiting.

  4. Receding Hairline

    I’d have Wenger (and more money for transfers) this season than Emery. Club could’ve announced it was his final season and the cloud would then be lifted with us gearing towards a proper transition.

    Not buying the scenario you are painting Charlie

    You want to throw away the present season with anyone else was Emery is the vibe i get from you.

    Wenger already stayed on too long and the relative failures of the present manager does not change that.

  5. bennydevito

    RH,

    CC isn’t saying Wenger should still be in charge, what he’s saying is why bother getting rid of Wenger at all if nothing has changed at all this season in terms of defence and performances?

    That’s what he’s getting at.

  6. bennydevito

    However, despite last night and the arguable lack of style and reggae reggae sauce, points on the board, points and victories away from home being more than the whole of last season already and points distance to top 4 at this stage of the season does show real tangible progress.

    Style and saucyness is subjective and not provable, whereas our league indicators are.

  7. jwl

    Pedro – you and your mole within club expected too much this season because clubs/people don’t just radically change from one year to next. Wenger had total power for long time, he has influenced club greatly and that doesn’t change overnight.

    To compare Emery to Moyes is asinine, the Scot inherited club that won league and finished seventh while Spaniard took over club that finished sixth and now has more points than last season.

    Emery has his flaws for sure, like all managers do, but to have expected him to transform club in eight months with other people making decisions for him is ignorant.

  8. Receding Hairline

    CC isn’t saying Wenger should still be in charge, what he’s saying is why bother getting rid of Wenger at all if nothing has changed at all this season in terms of defence and performances?

    We bothered getting rid of him to effect the change.

    This man doesn’t deliver we get another. He got away with not delivering for a few years living off “what he has done for Arsenal” and “the jobs he turned down”. Arsenal football club have rid themselves of that problem now.

    Nothing that happens going forward will ever make me doubt the wisdom in sacking Wenger..NOTHING

  9. Paulinho

    What was called months ago? That we would be one point off the Champions League with injuries to several key players?

    Brilliant stuff. Incredible insight.

  10. Champagne charlie

    Benny

    Spot on. It’s little to do with Wenger other than establishing what was being offered last season vs this season.

    We retired Wenger and his staff for circa 10 mil, this is a club who could only muster a loan for Denis Suarez this past Jan.

    What I’m saying is the effort to bring Emery in was a complete waste of time and I’d have sooner kept Wenger, spent the extra in players, and made this transition process season long instead of the Buck’s Fizz equivalent during a World Cup summer.

    Basically another indication the leadership and vision of the club is painstakingly poor, we’ve gone for a hot fix after a season of toxicity and even managed to mess that up. Essentially a panic buy in managerial form. Yay Arsenal.

  11. Alex James

    Still can’t understand the Arteta love in on this blog. Benitez was the man. Don’t know whether he was approached but he would have sorted things out. He is a winner, knows the PL and can operate with a relatively poor squad. And he is tactically astute as respected.

  12. Receding Hairline

    “What was called months ago? That we would be one point off the Champions League with injuries to several key players?Brilliant stuff. Incredible insight.”

    I now understand why you do not post here often Paulinho and i think i will be following your lead going forward.

    There is nothing to discuss with anyone who believes Wenger should still be anywhere near this football club or that we would be playing breath taking football with this current lot regardless of manager.

  13. jwl

    I agree with Receding Hairline, firing Wenger was best decision because his influence over entire club had to be broken.

    If Wenger was still in charge, it is likely that Torr and Guen would not have been purchased and they are many gooners two favourite players now.

    The point of firing Wenger was that his negative influence on club has been ended and Arsenal can now try to build regular squad that competes for leagues and cups every season.

  14. qna

    Has Calciomercato ever got anything about Arsenal right? I really hope they are on the money with Kai Havertz.

    First name that we have been associated with in a long time that excites.

  15. Receding Hairline

    “If Wenger was still in charge, it is likely that Torr and Guen would not have been purchased and they are many gooners two favourite players now.”

    Apparently the new structure would have seen to that.

    The wisdom is we should have kept a man who could not take us forward with players he handpicked and forced him to play with players bought by another going forward. A man who isn’t even that good a tactician

    Did you read his interviews when the new appointments were made? He was jumping for joy..what is a director of football he asked

  16. Upstate Gooner

    Alex
    “Still can’t understand the Arteta love in on this blog. ”

    There is no love for Arteta on this blog. With the exception of Pedro, and maybe another one or two people, everyone hated the thought. Don’t think he would have done better than Emery. I’m with you on Rafa.

  17. Receding Hairline

    “Receding. How are you in a 4 hour argument with AKBs justifying the decision to sack Wenger. Stop feeding the trolls.”

    apologies Qna but the fellow is a special kind of AKB. He wanted Wenger gone since 1996 you see but somehow still wants him around now but with players purchased by another.

    He wants a proper send off in fact. The endless parade last season in different grounds wasn’t enough for him.

  18. JamesH

    Laughable how the same old sausages on here stick up for Emery.

    They have no understanding of football, just experts on talking bacon.

  19. Paulinho

    Receding – Yeah it’s all really quite bizarre.

    Wenger was the rotting wood in the wine cellar. He had to be removed, and thank god he was. As you and others have said, no real attachment to Emery, and we can move him on after two years, but I still think he’s pretty much perfect for the situation where are in at the moment. A high-intensity blue-collar mentality that is okay getting his hands dirty working with mediocre players. The fact PSG picked out him out of all of Europe says a lot for his pedigree. Also the fact almost everyone(impartial) in the game rates him, whether it be coaches or ex-players in the media.

  20. qna

    James: Laughable how the same old sausages on here stick up for Emery. They have no understanding of football, just experts on talking bacon.

    Here we go. Finally some brains on here to set everyone straight. Who is the magic man that we should have. Please enlighten me great sir.

  21. Receding Hairline

    “A high-intensity blue-collar mentality that is okay getting his hands dirty working with mediocre players. The fact PSG picked out him out of all of Europe says a lot for his pedigree. Also the fact almost everyone(impartial) in the game rates him, whether it be coaches or ex-players in the media.”

    Impartial being the key word Paulinho

    Some dislike him for not being Wenger, others because they have convinced themselves that at this moment in time we can do better.

    I will draw my conclusions on two things

    1. Where we are come season end

    2. If he is allowed to stay what he does to improve the squad. He has done the giving everyone a chance bit, now get ruthless.

  22. JamesH

    qna

    Seriously I could do a better job than this bloke and that’s saying something.

    Impossible to fail more than Dick.

  23. gambon

    The fact that PSG sacked him, and that pretty much all their players had no respect for him, suggests he is not a top level manager.

    We want to be a Champions League team, and we’ve hired a manager that can only cut it in the absolutely shite Europa League.

  24. Ishola70

    Let’s not forget that those doing the hiring would be going on about the Wenger “legacy”.

    You can imagine Gazidis waffling on to any prospective candidate the importance of keeping the Wenger tradition.

    Emery probably went along with it all nodding his head.

    Benitez on the other hand would have told Gazidis to fuck off and he will do things his way.

    This is why Benitez was never an option and was more likely not even considered let alone approached.

    Emery has never said at any time that he would get the defensive players at Arsenal to actually improve defensively. All he said regarding the back players is that he would try to get them more comfortable on the ball and when in possession. This includes any holding midfielders.

    The area where he has tried to get the team to be better defensively is as a whole. The team as a whole to track back more and get behind the ball.

    And of course we all remember of course his quote about rather winning 5-4 than 1-0.

  25. Receding Hairline

    We want to be a Champions League team, and we’ve hired a manager that can only cut it in the absolutely shite Europa League.

    Isn’t that debatable? Based on yesterday apparently he can’t even cut it there

    “The fact that PSG sacked him, and that pretty much all their players had no respect for him, suggests he is not a top level manager.”

    Difficult to have zero respect for a manager you won 7/10 trophies with. But if you say they all don’t i believe you. Please no more quotes from Thiago Silva.

  26. qna

    James that’s not an answer. Who would have been a better answer. I’ll help you out:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/05/22/unai-emery-not-arsenals-original-manager-shortlist/amp/

    After everybody pulled out it was down to Viera and Arteta. Both rookies. I agree Emery probably proved he is not a top quality manager by simply taking the job in the first place. The good managers were too smart for that. Either their transfer demands were not met or they looked at the squad and said no thanks.

    I’m not an Emery man. But given the limited options he was easily better than Viera or Arteta. Those two are welcome to apply once they prove themselves elsewhere.

    Emery did ok for the most part but the last month things have gone south fast. He probably isn’t the guy, I can accept that is likely. But at least I have the basic common sense to accept that it’s only been 7 months and that is not a reasonable amount of time for anyone to take over from a 20 year manager.

    I don’t care if we sack him. But he was a reasonable choice given the options at the time. Spend some fucking money Stan and we might attract some better candidates.

  27. Upstate Gooner

    Gambon
    “We want to be a Champions League team, and we’ve hired a manager that can only cut it in the absolutely shite Europa League.”

    Correction, gambon. Based on last night he can’t even cut it in the shite Europa League.

  28. China1

    Qna total truth

    Emery started solidly

    Recently he’s done poorly. Questions can rightly be asked about if he’s the one even though he certainly deserves until the end of the season

    Lastly spot on that considering who was available at that time and the various demands or likely demands, emery was by far one of our best options on paper. Even if he turns out a failure which feels worryingly possible right now, the decision to hire him was based on sound logic at the time so we needn’t have regrets over that.

  29. Guns of Hackney

    Arsenal hired the guy who blew a 4-0 lead to Barca in 20mins. Imagine that? His credentials are basically: sacked. Can’t cut the mustard.

    It’s like hiring John Wayne Gacy for your child’s birthday party.

    Arsenal are Bantz FC. No other club comes close to Arsenal and bantering the fanbase.

  30. JamesH

    qna – I’m not sure you were on the panel for section so you neither have a clue who was on the list nor is it relevant.

    I would suggest there are 1000 managers in England, professional and amateur who could have managed a marginal improvement on last season.

  31. Guns of Hackney

    “I would suggest there are 1000 managers in England, professional and amateur who could have managed a marginal improvement on last season”

    You forgot the pub sides and Eddie Howe.

    Emery makes Peter Reid look like Marcelo Lippi.

  32. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    You’re a joke. Instead of constantly reimagining what I’m saying why don’t you simply read the words.

    There’s no pining for Wenger, there’s no absolving of his responsibility, there’s no expectation of anything you’ve suggested.

    Pure deflection after yet another shocker. Something I predicted would come immediately after the fact, so you’re nothing if not predictable.

    Emery is delivering nothing more than Wenger. Period.

  33. Guns of Hackney

    Champagne

    Funnily enough during the Wenger reign of terror, we had a couple of run ins…now I am 100% behind you with regards to emery.

    You are correct.

  34. MuddyGooner

    Arsenal hired the guy who blew a 4-0 lead to Barca in 20mins.

    I remember that game. Di Maria & Cavani missed sitters in that game that should have finished off Barca. It took a worldy free kick from Neymar to claw Barca back into the tie but we all know the referee killed the game by giving shocking decisions in favour of the Spanish giants.

  35. Champagne charlie

    Guns

    I’ve taken some more contentious POV here previously and I don’t shy away from a difference of opinion, but I thinks it’s difficult to argue the merits of this one wouldn’t you agree?

    It’s not simply an Emery thing though, there’s a big slice of fuckery from the suits at the club at present, which in no way helps the manager.

  36. qna

    James. GOH. This is the nuts and bolts though. Anyone can say sack the manager. When things are going badly those people even look like they make a bit of sense. But you have to wait and see what their solution to a problem is. Not that they can state the obvious.

    I can tell all I need to know about a person’s understanding of football by who they suggest to take over as manager. Howe? Arteta? Calls for Dyche, 1000 managers in England etc. Enough said.

    I can see we have a problem too. But I respectfully suggest you wouldn’t have a clue how to solve it.

  37. Guns of Hackney

    CC

    Mate. I am on your side. I too have taken some horrible abuse for suggesting that Emery was not fit for purpose. In fact, way back after we got handed our arse at the start of the season (early I know) I said and so did Lucky Pierre that “emery wasn’t the right guy”. I think after the past few months, my initial opinion has been justified. And this isn’t a “I told you so”…it’s a “why does it take some people so long to see problems developing”?

    Muddy

    Stop. The ref might have made a mistake or two but you are coming across like Wenger after the Bayern slaying.

    “The penalty influenced the result”.

    After losing 10-2.

    I say it all this time. In boxing there’s a saying “knock the guy out…no need for judges or dodgy decisions”.

  38. Guns of Hackney

    Qna

    Tuchel. Arteta. Vieria. Nagglesmann. Allegri.

    Five names I believe could do a better job than emery. Five guys I thought should have got the job ahead of emery…and some!

    Fat frank could probably do a better job than Unai is at the moment.

  39. bennydevito

    James H,

    What has he improved?

    More points away from home and victories away already than the whole of last season.

    1 point off 4th place when last season at this juncture it was 10 I believe, maybe wrong on that. Also we’re only 13 points away from last season’s finishing total.

    That’s improvement.

    It might not be pretty.

    It might not be saucy.

    But it is real factual progress.

    The Emery haters hate this fact but it is indisputable.

    Out of all the candidates interviewed Emery was the best choice.

    Won more than David Moves could ever dream of.

    Won more than Wenger had won when Arsene who? took over from the J league.

    These are again indisputable facts.

    Wasn’t my choice, not really inspiring, doesn’t seem likely to be improving Levi Roots’ Reggae Reggae sauce anytime soon, but he can only be judged against his targets at the end of the season.

  40. DivineSherlock

    Typical knee jerk reactions really. Was last night disappointing ? Yes. Is the tie over ? I believe its Not. The only thing similar to Wenger here is Emery’s stubborness to not use Ozil . It shows in players performance , they believe in Ozil . Last night game was ideal for him , could’ve coasted the entire game yet might’ve produced a killer assist for Lacazette or Aubameyang . Instead we saw Iwobi killing off attacks over and over again. Wenger was stubborn enough to not play according to the opposition. Emery is stubborn enough to not see his team chances getting hurt without Ozil. How long will this continue.

  41. Champagne charlie

    Benny

    Can I stop you there. The “Emery haters” don’t hate the fact we’re 5 points better off in the league.

    They point out how flimsy that one piece of ‘evidence’ is. For instance I can counter your stat by saying if we had Aubameyang from the start of last season (and not Jan) we would’ve been 5 points better off than we are this term.

    Basically you’re highlighting one variance and giving praising Emery because it’s suitable. Meanwhile other elements of the season (4 clean sheets from 26 games, no clean sheet away from home) are because of the players he inherited.

    Am I wrong?

  42. JamesH

    Hey Benny, thanks your comments and respect to you.

    However, we are so bad I’m now getting a hard on at the mention of David Moyes.

    At my age every hard on is well received !

  43. Moray

    How quickly everyone forgets… we had a reasonable amount of time to replace Wenger and there wasn’t a lot available to us. The big names were either settled elsewhere or backed away presumably when they heard about the state of our finances. Allegri was one of those.

    Since Emery joined, three of the supposed new management team have left. There has obviously been dissatisfaction behind the scenes for some time. On top of that, no incoming manager could have known how badly the club has been run this past decade or so or how poor your contracts have been managed (with no lessons learnt since Edu went on a Bosman all those years ago). He also inherited Bould, who is no more effective as an assistant as piss in snow.

    He’s also had critical injuries to deal with, and invariably it takes time to get used to the premiership as a manager (which nobody seems to credit).

    Point is, it’s been a tough time for the manager. For me he desperately needs to show some improvement in our defensive shape and tactical flexibility or else he should go in the summer. As for now., we should stop re-imagining the past. The time to sign Guardiola or Klopp was a few years ago, when I believe both were interested. We are now a top 6 team with top 3 expectations and an absentee owner and an out of control club executive. Our problems lie much deeper than what formation we are playing.

  44. Rich robbins

    It’s a shame that management does not read the blogs??? The passion that was so heightened, is diminishing. In the world of finance, the only way to get the strategic plan changed, is to cost them money or value. The manner in which the ownership has dismissed the loyal fan base; showed no ability to bring football expertise to the board; and has not seen their so called responsible financial model failing now for nearly a decade, is a terrible joke on the club’s history and the fan base. Hearts are broken with management clueless

  45. Guns of Hackney

    There appears to be just as many Emery apologists as there was Wenger apologists. Which is just plain dumb.

    The last decade of Wenger was pretty much indefensible but…he had earned a lot of reprieves due to the first half of his tenure. THAT is what kept Arsene in a job!

    Emery has done the sum total of piss £70m up a wall and created a worse defence than the one Arsene did!!! Which is mind boggling.

    Arsene was finished but holy shit…the guy was still a draw. Emery is yawnsville and it doesn’t play well.

    If he gets to the start of next season it means one of two things:

    1. Arsenal just don’t care. (Probable).
    2. We *guffaws* get fourth.

  46. bennydevito

    Our defence is shite without question.

    But we’ve had injuries and the season isn’t over.

    Emery will be judged by whatever targets the board set. If they were to make top 4 and we don’t, he failed.

    If they were to finish 5th with less points to 4th than last season and that’s what happens then that’s target met.

    I just think there’s a massive amount of an over inflated sense of entitlement with unrealistic expectations based on denying the actual mess left behind by Wenger and Gazidas.

  47. bennydevito

    GoH,

    Emery hasn’t pissed anything up the wall.

    The massively earth shattering sum of £70m was spent by Raul and Sven.

    Keep up.

  48. bennydevito

    GoH,

    We might get forth and then the ‘guffaws” will be on you.

    Of course the club care. What a stupid thing to say to suggest they don’t.

  49. Bob N16

    The fact that Emery persists with 3 CBs and 2 wing backs makes me question his coaching ability. We are creatively inept in our present set up. Against weaker teams playing this line is ridiculous.
    Four at the back, two in front of them and then play an attacking mid to link the attack and provide cohesion.

    Whether he inherited a pile of sh*t, suffered from key defensive injuries or is unable to talk convincingly due to his limited English- none of these excuse what we’re witnessing.

    Unless he finds a cohesive line up before the end of the season, I can see the management looking elsewhere. Hopefully the coach they want insists on a respectable budget too!

  50. bennydevito

    James H,

    No worries.

    Moyes? C’mon man get real, anyone who seriously think he would do a better job than Emery can’t be taken seriously.

  51. azed

    “Tuchel. Arteta. Vieria. Nagglesmann. Allegri.”

    GOH

    4 of those in the list ruled themselves out for certain reasons…..

    As for Arteta, please give me facts/data why you think Arteta would be better.

  52. bennydevito

    At the end of the day I want Emery gone.

    It’s become more boring and more frustrating in here amongst the comments already than it had got with Wenger.

    I’m sick of it.

    I’m sick of the fan divide.

    I want Vieira this summer.

  53. Chris

    At time of appointment. Emery ticked all the boxes.

    Sometimes, like in any other walk of life, that person for whatever reason just doesn’t succeed at the role.

    And last night was a bad result and we really need to see a big improvement , but Emery hasn’t failed yet. He is in a tough spot right now though, no doubt.

    As CC says, we also need improvements from the owner and his team.

  54. Champagne charlie

    “Emery hasn’t pissed anything up the wall.The massively earth shattering sum of £70m was spent by Raul and Sven.Keep up.“

    So didn’t matter who was manager then, which makes the argument for letting Wenger see out his contract and having the club put more due diligence in replacing all the more compelling. Pass that along to RH.

    Benny can I ask what your expectations of the season were the day the summer window closed?

  55. Chris

    The initial burst of excitement and unity for the fan base were Vieira to be appointed, hypothetically, would be huge.

    However if things went south halfway through the season with no sign of improvement, would the atmosphere turn for the worse again, in the club, in the stands, Twitterverse etc

    A club legend would be an exciting appointment, but it would have to be the right decision to take.

  56. azed

    “There appears to be just as many Emery apologists as there was Wenger apologists. Which is just plain dumb.”

    There are no Emery apologists, just folks who know we can’t afford to the sacking and paying off managers every season.

    Rumours have it that our summer budget is 50M, and I for one would rather use all that money to buy players than use a part of it to pay off Emery and his crew.

    I survived 10 years of Wenger, 2 years of Emery is a walk in the park in the summer.

  57. qna

    GOH: QnaTuchel. Arteta. Vieria. Nagglesmann. Allegri

    Tuchel chose PSG. Allegro and Nagglesman turned us down. So you’d have chosen a rookie manager in Viera or Arteta.

    At least your willing to put a name to your choice. Giving a rookie the job to take over from a long standing manager would be incompetence in my opinion.

    But you may get your wish soon enough. We won’t attract any top line manager any time soon. Not unless we are willing to put up some money to build a proper squad.

  58. bennydevito

    It did matter Wenger going because he can’t do tactics and only knew one way to play without making allowances for the opposition.

    Even if we had £500m to spend and Wenger had no say on how to spend it I would still have wanted him gone.

  59. Ishola70

    That Wenger finished so many points away from fourth place in his last season compared to the previous and before that getting in the CL places could well indicate that the wheels had completely fallen off by the end of his tenure.

    As Moray said there doesn’t seem to be enough acknowledgement that Emery took over a tricky and what can be seen as a difficult situation, A tough job as Moray put it.

    If he does get in the top four in his first season (don’t think he will) then he should be very much congratulated on a very good achievement .

    He would need to show more though in how his team is playing going forward but there isn’t enough acknowledgement that it looks like he took on a post where there were serious repairs needed.

  60. Words on a Blog

    Benai – you need to work on another tactic other than getting Iwobi to pass to Kola haring down on the left!

    The opposition has that one worked out!

  61. bennydevito

    My expectations were for us to be extremely lucky to be anywhere near top 4 come season end.

    5th place with visible signs of improvement in our defence was my realistic expectation.

  62. bennydevito

    Ishola70February 15, 2019    16:56:00

    azed
    “I survived 10 years of Wenger, 2 years of Emery is a walk in the park in the summer.”

    Exactly

    >>>>>>

    My sentiments too.

  63. Champagne charlie

    “Charlie. Just to clarify. You would have chosen Arteta, kept Wenger or gone for a British manager from a lower club?“

    I’d have gotten my shit in order and made sure I lured Allegri whilst I had his interest.

    But after that, I’d have decided how I wanted to manage the next 2/3 seasons transition first before making a decision on the profile of manager.

    Personally I value a more aggressive and exciting offering in “potential” (a Nagelsmann, Arteta, Jardim type = raw and big upside).

    Failing that I can understand a more conservative approach, but to me the first option there is to let Wengers contact expire and save on the culling of him and his staff. If you desperately wanted change before then, I’d have gone for a guy who could offer a safe pair of hands, knows the league, is a motivator/coach etc (Benitez, Ancelotti type)

  64. Words on a Blog

    The reality is, if we somehow end up fourth, or even more improbably, win the Europa League, Emery will get another season to enact his “plan”.

    But if we start drifting down into fifth or sixth with more weak performances, particularly away, then his position will be under threat

  65. G8

    If Benitez is the man, why did real Madrid sacked him before the season over?
    Genuine question?
    Is it because the job was too big for him?
    Is it because he couldn’t handle big players due to his poor man management?
    Is it because he didn’t know the Spanish league or speak spanish
    Is it because he is chubby and dosnt wear tailored fit suits?

    And before that why did he fail at inter Milan, a team that just won the champions league?
    Why is he in Newcastle now?
    answers on a postcard please..

  66. Words on a Blog

    And to get fourth or (yes, I know) win the Europa, Emery needs to rethink his cautious approach to formations and the personnel he has at his disposal.

    It’s one or both of Ramsey and Ozil – one last hurrah from a player on his way out and another in accelerated decline.

  67. Alexanderhenry

    Qna

    ‘We won’t attract any top line manager any time soon. Not unless we are willing to put up some money to build a proper squad.’

    You’re right.

    Arsenal’s ‘values’, project youth 2. 0 and self sustainability just won’t cut it.

    In the end, arsenal’s future must come down to how paying fans react.
    However the club try and spin it, if we finish 6th and there isn’t a serious statement of intent this summer, I think a lot of arsenal fans will turn their backs on the club.

  68. Moray

    It seems in all this Emery out clamourthat one Steven Bould is getting a free ticket.

    Could we not instead campaign for Bould our and Keown in as Assistant? He could sort out defensive shape out and has done it before (under an even more attack minded manager).

    Bouldy is starting to look like a common thread here. A death’s head at a feast kind of character.

  69. Samesong

    If Benitez is the man, why did real Madrid sacked him before the season over?

    Benitez isn’t a yes man and not one to get the crowd over excited.

  70. qna

    Charlie. So apart from naming people that were ungettable the only name you suggested that was possible was Arteta.

    So Arteta? Good to know.

    Everything else you say is just a straw man argument. Any degree to which what you say could possibly be true is only relative to having Arteta instead of Emery.

    Luxury position to be in because your hypothesis will take years to prove. Arteta would need to get a job at a good club and prove his worth before any argument you make can have any weight.

  71. qna

    By the way Charlie. Most of us wanted the club to get its shit together many many years ago. It must be a shock to you to only just learn that we aren’t a club with its shit together.

  72. qna

    Alex. I wouldn’t hold your breath. I’m hoping that Stan will allow the club to spend its cash reserves, but on form it isn’t going to happen.

    If we can’t get access to a LOT of money then project youth 2.0 is the only way. Which is why it’s disappointing that the only guy at the club with a good project youth track record just left.

    I am really putting my hopes in Raul. I’m not saying that I’m backing him. I really have no idea if he is the right man. Just mean that he is the guy that can either make us or break us.

  73. Champagne charlie

    Qna

    All of those managers except Nagelmann were gettable so idk what you’re talking about. Also, let me just set the record very clear here. It’s not up to a random fan on an internet blog to come up with a strategy – including names of whom are suitable for the role. I can say something isn’t good enough without having the cure for it, I’m not employed by them.

    Arsenal have millions of pounds and untold resources at their disposal to strategise a better transition from Wenger. Let’s not pretend that anyone on here has the necessary information at all times to make decisions for or against particular moves being made.

    “Most of us wanted the club to get its shit together many many years ago. It must be a shock to you to only just learn that we aren’t a club with its shit together.”

    Well seeing as I’ve been one of Stan Kroenkes biggest critics for years I’d say you’re about as clued up and relevant as the “Akb” jibes you trot out at your convenience. I’ve known for years the hierarchy at the club was a joke, but you’ll find the story has been very much told with one pantomime villain of the piece, and that’s not Stan.

  74. qna

    Charlie. No they weren’t mate. That’s why everything you say is a straw man argument. We weren’t prepared to make the investments that the good managers we spoke to asked for. We lost them because of that. Not surprising when you look at our squad. It needs more money than we have.

  75. Bob N16

    It’s interesting how people seem to have inside knowledge on the options the club had when selecting Emery.

    QNA ‘We weren’t prepared to make the investment…..’ Sounds like you were interviewing.

    Appreciate there are certain assumptions we all make but sometimes it does sound like people are ‘flies on the wall’.

  76. MuddyGooner

    GOH

    Just stick to the game I was talking about. You can’t assume I blamed the ref for the 10-2 loss to Bayern. We were absolute crap in both games. End of.

    You singled out the PSG game loss to Barca and blamed Emery for it.
    You ignored he masterminded the 4-0 thrashing of Barca in the first place.
    The 2nd leg, like I said earlier, was due to Di Maria & Cavani missing sitters, a World class freekick by Neymar and dodgy reffing in injury time.
    Barca won, ok fair enough but it’s way too harsh to blame Emery, in my opinion.

  77. azed

    “We couldn’t have appointed Jardim, Benitez, or Ancelotti? Yea ok then..”

    Jardim was with Monaco.
    Ancelotti was going to Napoli.
    Benitez with Newcastle.

    You really think Arsenal was going to pay off Wenger then pay off the contract of another manager?

  78. 5am

    For some positivity…..

    Emery in one of his interviews pre Arsenal talked about winning cups where in that journey there had to be a suffering at some point along the way. This was to mentally charge the group focus in order to achieve.

    So maybe that’s the overall strategy here to make it through to the Europa Leugue Final 🤞🏽

    Perhaps he has some sort of longer term strategy for Ozil as well 🤔

  79. qna

    Bob. Not me. But plenty claimed to be. Google is your friend.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/958920/Arsenal-Massimiliano-Allegri-Arsene-Wenger-next-manager/amp

    Whether it’s true or not, fact is that they had turned their backs on us BEFORE we went for Unai. He wasn’t even on our shortlist until the list only had Veiria and Arteta left. Hardly looks like we went out and headhunted Emery.

    Who would you have chosen Bob out of Emery, Arteta, Veiria or some British manager. Humour me that these were the only choices left.

  80. Ishola70

    MuddyGooner
    “You ignored he masterminded the 4-0 thrashing of Barca in the first place.”

    And in that match PSG won the match in midfield with the unheralded Matuidi playing a blinder.

    Interesting that when you hear that Emery is devoid of any thought regarding midfield and just relies on flank play. Not on that night against Barca.

  81. Champagne charlie

    “You really think Arsenal was going to pay off Wenger then pay off the contract of another manager?“

    How much would it have taken to secure any of those names Azed? You talk like it’s uncommon for a managerless club to get a manager at another club.

    Wasn’t Ancelotti a free agent that summer too before moving to Napoli?

  82. Luteo Guenreira

    As many have said since the beginning, time will tell regarding Emery and 2019 thus far has not been a great endorsement. If he’s not good enough, he’s not good enough, and we’ll all see it eventually because everyone gets found out sooner or later, but this clamouring to be the one to be able to say “Well I knew he was shite first” seems juvenile.

    Based on history the discussion shouldn’t be “Emery is shite, sack him” it should be “If Emery is obviously shite after a season or two, will Arsenal have the fortitude to move on in the right direction or will they maintain with the dismal status quo like they’ve done before?”

  83. MuddyGooner

    I clearly remember many posts on this blog criticising Pep in his first season at City, saying that he’d been found and is hugely overrated.
    Following season, after spending in the right areas he smashes the league record.

    We’ve been patient with Wenger for all these year, give Emery another year at least before shooting him down.

  84. Ishola70

    Luteo Guenreira
    “If Emery is obviously shite after a season or two, will Arsenal have the fortitude to move on in the right direction or will they maintain with the dismal status quo like they’ve done before?”

    As there are no emotional ties to Emery then you can only think that he will be moved on if there is no discernible positive outlook from the team and he fails to qualify for the CL in the two seasons.

    Fans will not turn up to home matches just like at the end of Wenger’s reign. This in turn will force those above to act.

  85. Graham62

    CC

    Thanks for the response.

    You see it as ” being in neutral for 5/6 years”, whereas others, myself included, saw it as a slow and painful regression. Infact, I would say we were thrown into reverse by a regime and mindset that took us all for a ride.

    Whoever came in was going to encounter the same problems as Emery. Like yourself though, I would have assumed that after nine months he would have been able to create an identity that we could all relate to.

    Last night’s game was painful to watch, both from the playing side as well as the off field persona of our manager.

    Has he bitten off more than he can chew?

    Time will tell.

  86. Graham62

    Muddygonner

    You’re right about the Pep criticism.

    The difference is he was given a shit load of money the next season and Bob’s your uncle.

    Emery on the other hand will be plodding off to Poundland with his shopping list.

  87. Graham62

    Nice to hear Donald give us some backing by saying the US will be increasing it’s trade with the UK.

    Maybe we can become the 51st state and build a wall between ourselves and Europe.

    Works for me.

  88. Champagne charlie

    Graham

    Matter of perspective, I don’t think we regressed but we stood still and allowed others to progress – so you could argue regression that way for sure. Much of a muchness.

    Either way we lost ground on rivals by inaction. That wasn’t confined to the manager though and that’s my overall issue with fan discontent. That loss of touch (from Wenger) was allowed by leadership that themselves were out of touch, so it was/is a mess.

    When the question was posed wayyy back about whether we needed to get rid of Wenger or Stan I made the case for getting shot of Stan. My premise was that a proper owner would install the right people and mindset which would drip its way down.

    My big concern here is that we don’t have the right personnel installed at board level to orchestrate the development of a new modern/competitive Arsenal. None of the guys behind the scenes give me cause for optimism, it’s all a bit “we’ll surely they’ll get it right”.

    That concerns me a bit, and this Emery appointment is looking more and more a result of that enigmatic cluster of bodies vs thoughtful, precise, and articulate leadership.

  89. Valentin

    From the Evening standard report, it looks like it suddenly down on our Spanish overlords that maybe Emery is not the right man and that they are in deeper shit that they thought.

    There was also an interesting quite from Cech. We could have played 90 minutes more without scoring. To me that looks like a player who already know he is not getting another contract and the need to toe the party line tell it like it is. We’re shit and that system is not working. I wonder if others feel the same way and are too afraid to say so.

    Regarding top manager, I have already said that I would rather we go for a young upcoming coach than a seasoned veteran who want a bigger budget than we can afford.
    ManUtd went after the established names and neither did well enough. Chelsea went the same road and only by spending fortune have they maintained the star position.
    We don’t have a 200 millions budget for the next two transfer windows. So we need somebody who can work within those financial constraints and can improve players. Somebody who has charisma and tactical acumen.
    Past successes is not a guarantee of future success.

  90. Bob N16

    QNA, I would have been happiest, and this is not hindsight, if Vieira had been chosen. The thing is though, I always have the hope that when Arsenal make an appointment, they are being thoughtful and have a wise vision for the club- naive possibly! With that in mind, whoever Arsenal pick I’m up for it. I wasn’t disappointed by Emery being selected, I certainly would have been more excited by Vieira.

  91. Graham62

    Someone on here the other day was comparing Chippy Brady to DB10.

    Both exceptional players from two different eras.

    Let me say this, if Liam Brady or DB10 had been playing last night, they would have carved out chances for Lacazette and Co and Arsenal would have won at a canter.

    They’d probably have scored as well.

  92. bunga party

    “Let me say this, if Liam Brady or DB10 had been playing last night, they would have carved out chances for Lacazette and Co and Arsenal would have won at a canter.”

    I hate comments like this. We don’t know and we will never know.

    And footy is such that everybody has a bad day and I am sure they have had their share of shittery.

  93. Valentin

    @bunga,

    You’re right, because it is clear that Iwobi, Kolasinac, Suarez and Xhaka are way better than Db10 and Liam Brady ever were. They offer a lot more than those two legends at their peak could ever offer.

    Just in case (sarcasm)

  94. Graham62

    December 23rd, 1978, will go down in Arsenal folklore.

    I was 16 and I was there with my Dad.

    Jesus, only 41 years ago.

    What memories.

  95. zimmie2652

    “I’ll leave the exact details to the finance guys, but the loan was for around £260m and will likely be paid off over 20-30 years. It’s been 14 years or so, I believe. We pay £20m a year on it.”

    Bamford- I’m pretty sure you are wrong about this. The stadium debt has been paid off since 2014 if I recall correctly.

  96. Valentin

    You can’t turn turn mare into studs, but you can turn studs into gelding.

    To me Emery is neutering all our attack.

  97. Graham62

    bunga party

    What’s to hate.

    Did you ever see Liam Brady play( or DB10 for that matter)?

    Brady was an artist. Just ask the Juve supporters. He was the jewel in their crown between 1980-82.

    Go on you tube, take a look for yourself.

  98. Guns of Hackney

    Bunga

    I agree. Totally. Like…there’s no way for sure we know that Bergkamp is better than Mikki or Iwobi, right? Totally no way of knowing. Or Marco Van Basten probably, without direct comparison is better than Lacazette…we will never know.

    Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson would both struggle to get Kell Brook out the ring! Because, you know…there’s just no way of knowing, right?

    OMG. FFS.

  99. Bob N16

    Graham, it would be preferable if you went over and snuggled up to Trump if you don’t mind.

    No offence to you intended but that man is such a d**k it’s not even funny!

    Liam Brady, my boyhood hero. Until Bergkamp came he was on a pedestal alone, then Dennis joined him.

  100. bunga party

    Emery is a coach not a magician.

    Aha! That’s it then. Emery please stop being a magician and just coach the team.

  101. bunga party

    Nobody’s suggesting Liam Brady and Bergkamp weren’t better players than what we got.
    Just saying that anyone can have a bad game like yesterday and both Brady and Bergkamp have had fair share of those.

  102. Graham62

    BobN16

    Agreed. DT is a “d**k”.

    Got to widen your horizons though. We need a pre-Brexit boost.

    The US are still our allies whether it’s Trump at the helm or Homer Simpson.

  103. Bob N16

    Bunga, the fact Brady and Bergkamp are two of the greatest players who ever wore the shirt suggests that they generally turned up and performed at a level which was above everybody else.

    Yes they had the odd bad game but to equate that with what we watched yesterday is facetious at best.

  104. TR7

    ‘Bamford- I’m pretty sure you are wrong about this. The stadium debt has been paid off since 2014 if I recall correctly.’

    Stadium debt will be paid off by 2033.

  105. Guns of Hackney

    Bob

    Don’t engage!

    I would say that in DB entire career (probably outside inter) you could count the number of ‘bad’ games on one hand…if that hand had been put in a blender.

    DBS bad games probably still resulted in him getting a 9/10 on every rating metric going.

    Bunga is bongo.

  106. azed

    “There was also an interesting quite from Cech. We could have played 90 minutes more without scoring. To me that looks like a player who already know he is not getting another contract and the need to toe the party line tell it like it is. ”

    Cech is retiring at the end of the season…..you need to keep with the news Valentin.

    He announced his retirement since last year.

  107. Guns of Hackney

    Bunga

    To be honest, right now I could do with what you’re on. I’ll cut you some slack you drugged up, wanker.

    Bunga is the new redtruth. I actually like that.

  108. Bob N16

    Agreed Graham, USA are our allies but with Trump in charge he would ditch us if he felt it was in his own best interests. He’s gone in 2020 so we’ll move on……

  109. bunga party

    Bunga is the new redtruth. I actually like that.

    Doubt it.

    You sound like truth is something you are not accustomed to

  110. Guns of Hackney

    Bunga

    You write like the heavy machinery has crushed your skull, dude.

    But as I said, you and redtruth are drugged up wankers. Le Grove doesn’t have enough drug addicts…way too many serial killers, weirdos and drunks, but not enough dope fiends. Keep on trucking!