Arsenal head out on the road this weekend after not winning in 6 games. Fear not, Emery knows what the double-flip is going down.
“My first critic is myself. We can make the top four, but we know it’s not easy.
“We are strong at home, but I think we need to do better away. We started very well, changing our mentality to get more points away. But now we need to recover our confidence and performance.
“Also we know defensively we need to do better. We tried to play with three and two centre-backs. Be passionate, be calm but above all work.”
Away form is an odd one. It’s all in the head. I find it interesting that something like that can impact elite athletes, you’d kind of think they were a bit above that? I understand the butterflies might be on fire in Istanbul, but at Huddersfield this Saturday, I’d hope less so?
We take on bottom of the table Huddersfield. They recently agreed to part ways with the excellent David Wagner. He was replaced by Dortmund first-team coach, Jan Siewart. Not sure I can speak about him with any sort of knowledge, so I won’t even try and Google research him. Huddersfield take chances on managers in the same way I would, and it’s paid dividends for little investment.
I have my doubts they’ll have enough to take down Arsenal at the weekend. We have Mikhi coming back into the fold, which I would hope could give us a little more width and creativity from wide positions. However, it’s clear that the most important thing is to keep a clean sheet. The team really needs to get back to basics. We were overrun by Cardiff at home a few weeks ago, that’s not a good look.
Emery needs to get his season back on track, he needs to get him best players on the pitch and he needs to find a system that he can roll with for more than 24 minutes.
Finally, Hector B has dropped a fan TV channel. He’s talking about his surgery, sure, I love that, but be real, when is the high-end fashion chat dropping? I wanna see the latest Balenciaga sneakers I can’t by because I’m old. I want to know about OFF-White print shirts. I wanna know when the male sarong is coming back?
Good luck sir, and don’t get downbeat about the muppets in the comments.
JUST KIDDING GUYS, see you in the comments. x
Bamford10February 9, 2019 18:54:39 ChampagneWell,I’m still looking for that post of gambon’s, but in the interim, I’ll list a few positive things Kroenke has done, IMO:1. He replaced Arsene Wenger (thank God!), when it was clear the latter was failing. 2. He showed a great deal of respect for, and deference toward, the above, which if he hadn’t, he would have gotten all kinds of shit for. —— So,let’s get this right.Wenger a millionaire bullshitted(your words earlier) Kroenke a billionaire(who has a sports portfolio) for almost a decade ? Kroenke showed more deference to Wenger over and beyond the call… Read more »
Red
5 points better off
First real factual thing you’ve said in a long, long time. Doesn’t change the fact that we suck, big time.
Marko
Wtf are you talking about? Red was saying that the loss to City was all due to Wenger signings. And I just pointed out that 4 players in the starting lineup had nothing to do with Wenger.
Wenger last season had 45 points at this stage. Emery has 50. From game 27 to 38 Wenger won 6 and lost 6 to finish the season with 63 points. I dont think Emery is worse than Wenger as some are trying to make you believe.
Southampton(H), Bournemouth(H), Spurs(A), Man United(H), Wolves(A), Newcastle(H), Everton(A), Watford(A), Palace(H), Leicester(A), Brighton(H) and Burnley(A).
Some tight games but I can see us getting more points in our last 12 games this season than we did in our last 12 under Wenger.
1. He replaced Arsene Wenger (thank God!), when it was clear the latter was failing. 2. He showed a great deal of respect for, and deference toward, the above, which if he hadn’t, he would have gotten all kinds of shit for. 3. He has instituted a modern management/executive structure, incl. the creation of a DoF role (something Professor Dinosaur opposed). That is, he has helped to modernize and rationalize our management/executive structure. 4. He has hired intelligent, competent, ambitious men to fill the various key management & executive roles. 5. He has overseen the club while we have grown… Read more »
I keep saying it and I stand by my word, Emery isn’t doing enough with these players. Just imagine today’s game, what if we lost? What positive could we have brought out of the game? Huddersfield had more possession for crying out loud and some posters think signing big players will automatically solve our problem. I doubt it
Thorough
“”much as I like Emery I think he’s a moron.””
Has to be the line of the day!!
Bamford10February 9, 2019 18:54:39 ChampagneWell,I’m still looking for that post of gambon’s, but in the interim, I’ll list a few positive things Kroenke has done, ———— “1. He replaced Arsene Wenger (thank God!), when it was clear the latter was failing. ” -At the very least -5 years too late. “2. He showed a great deal of respect for, and deference toward, the above, which if he hadn’t, he would have gotten all kinds of shit for. ” -A billionaire putting the interests of a manager before the interests of the club.Plus being fearful of the fans for pulling the… Read more »
Red
You’re desperate expecting defensive players to shoot for goal when the forwards whose job it is were so inept.
I expect my defensive players to defend. And I expect the manager to make better substitutions than Mavrapanos for Mustafi when we’re down 3 goals to 1 after 70+ minutes. Offense (I assume you’re talking strikers) can only so much without any creativity up front. Here’s a thought, Ozil was on the bench. So yeah, I didn’t expect guys like Lichsteiner shoot at goal but I certainly didn’t expect Mavrapanos do it either.
Champagne Still looking for that post of gambon’s, but the question itself is sophistic. When I asked you what positives the previous ownership contributed, you said: “they oversaw Wenger’s successful years”. This is tantamount to admitting they did nothing save that they happened to be watching over the club when Wenger was ahead of many of his competitors in England. You didn’t point to anything ownership did during this time; all you pointed to, really, is what WENGER did. Right, and if Stan Kroenke happened to have been owner in those first ten years, he too would have “overseen” all… Read more »
Upstate
Care to explain how Unai Emery is “a fraud”. I would love to hear this.
Upstate
Your initial point was Arsenal’s failure in front of goal not defending…now you’re moving the goalposts…lol
‘5. He has overseen the club while we have grown from £201 million in revenue (in 2007) to £388 million in revenue (in 2018). That’s nearly a doubling in revenue and size.’
That’s mostly down to EPL becoming more and more lucrative rather, kind of a natural secular growth that all the top clubs have seen in last decade. Stan has had little to do with it. If anything some credit goes to Wenger for keeping us in top 4 for 8 of these 11 years.
Bamford
I replied a while ago. Not going to repeat myself.
Red
My point is that I don’t see any improvement under Emery, is all. We’re still in sixth place, we can still score goals when we fancy it, and our defense still sucks, maybe even more so than it did under Wenger. You can argue all you want but those are actual facts that you seem to like so much even though tend to steer off course every once in a while.
‘6. Taking nothing out of the club isn’t a positive.’
Well if not for an uproar by fans Stan would have continued charging ‘ consultancy fee’ every year. Takes some spin to paint it as a virtue. All the 6 arguments are bogus.
Isn’t it a simple case – of not comparing Emery ‘s Arsenal to Wengers appalling last season or stating we have a chance of top 4- but just to: WHERE THE HELL ARE WE GOING- with this non descript man.
In boxing parlance
We have gone from an ageing punch drunk heavyweight in Wenger to an innocuous diffident, glass-chinned flyweight in Emery…
And yet he still has his backers…on here..
“Right, and if Stan Kroenke happened to have been owner in those first ten years, he too would have “overseen” all of that success. Would that have made him a good owner? No, he would have been the exact same owner he has been since 2007. Hands off, let the football men make the football decisions.The question is bogus, the argument is bogus.“ If Stan had employed the right people that then led to the club living some of its most decorated and historic moments as a football entity then there would be no questioning of him. You’re unbelievably entrenched… Read more »
TR7
What did previous ownership do — please don’t point to Wenger’s accomplishments, btw, or to Graham’s — that current ownership has not done or is not doing? What kinds of things are you lot even looking for here, exactly?
Charlie George
It’s pretty much only here and on Twitter where people want Emery sacked. And maybe some of the morons on Arsenal Fan TV. Says a lot really. I think most sensible people can see things aren’t quite right yet but also realise it won’t happen overnight. And in the mean time we WON today and are a point back from top four. Your Emery bashing is interminable.
Banford Wenger and Graham we’re the accomplishments you donut. Leadership is precisely that, it’s recruiting the right people to bring a vision to life. WE had Graham who did fantastic for the club, but then we were tasked with finding the ‘next Graham’ in terms of success. The fact we made the right moves and negotiated our way to Wenger is testament to the people above being switched onto the needs and desires of the club and fans. Stan hasn’t displayed this one iota, how are you missing this? If he was engaged he would’ve been alert to Wenger waning… Read more »
Upstate
You’re deluded, we are under transition at the moment…You are expecting a marked improvement even though we finished a distant 6th lol lol lol
Parma vs Inter (my team in Serie A) – Gervinho sighting. Btw, Spalletti is someone I would absolutely love at Arsenal. Only 16 goals conceded so far, second only to Juve’s 15. Now that’s a manager who recognizes that you need to build from the back. Imagine him drilling our defense, and not having just Icardi scoring goals.
Yeah I’m not sure previous ownership had the right people either considering some of these people sought out convincing others to sell to Kroenke and there was penny pinching before he got involved it’s not like investment ceased once Stan got involved. Couple with the fact that once Dein left Wenger insisted on running the club himself. Also the overseeing declining stuff when we were already declining. Look he’s a shit owner sure but I feel like certain types are more than happy to blame him for some of the stuff Wenger was responsible for. Though they won’t admit it.… Read more »
Gervinho smashes the crossbar
“Look he’s a shit owner sure but I feel like certain types are more than happy to blame him for some of the stuff Wenger was responsible for. Though they won’t admit it. “
No, this is your typical outlook on matters discussed on here. Your take sides, play a blame game, look to jump in and make a remark here or there.
Alex mentioned Kroenke today in terms of his influence to date, I’ve said my piece, and it’s been defended by Banford. Nothing more or less to it so wipe your arse and cut the stirring.
Gervinho smashes the crossbar
With the ball, or with the fivehead? Details Upstate, details.
Champagne One, I’ve never argued that Kroenke offers positives per se; my argument has always been that he isn’t a negative — i.e., that he wasn’t to blame for Wenger’s failures, that he is hands off, that he allows the football men to make the footballing decisions, that he doesn’t restrict what they can spend, that he is not some snake who doesn’t care about Arsenal succeeding. Two, so previous ownership steered us from Graham to Wenger, with a hiccup or two in between. Who is to say that current ownership is not doing the exact same thing? No one,… Read more »
Red
Am I somehow out of line to expect any sort of improvement? Isn’t it why Wenger was sacked? Clubs fire their managers all the time, do they do it just for fun? They want results. I want the same. To sack one guy who couldn’t sort out his defense and finished sixth, and hire another one who does the same is staying still, not going forward, and that’s what fans, including myself, want to see. For me, if Emery delivers CL football next season, he deserves another shot. If not, I’d like to see someone else take charge.
Champagne
Right, so previous ownership found Graham or found Wenger. But not without making a “mistake” or two first. No one gets everything right the very first time. FFS, look at Liverpool. It’s not like Klopp is the first manager they hired.
So until current ownership bungles decision after decision — and you can’t even say yet that they’ve bungled this one — or until they demonstrate that they are not interested in seeing Arsenal compete, you don’t really have an argument. Sorry.
CC
LOL. Gervinho doesn’t change. A bit of trickery here and there but no finished product. Kind of like Iwobi.
Yeah inter are struggling for goals though. Spent a bit too if we’re honest. He’s a decent manager though. Not an obvious improvement on Emery. Spent 200 million in his 2 seasons recouped about 140 though. Spent about 160 million on defensive players in two seasons. Fuck me you’d expect some level of improvement on the defence with that kind of investment
Bamford
‘ What kinds of things are you lot even looking for here, exactly?’
Stan fiddled while AFC burnt. We kept losing top players year after year strengthening our rivals, never did Stan bother. Never did he care to infuse funds, rather used ‘self sustainable model’ as a shield/excuse for not investing. Had kept a strict wage policy during most of his reign leading to us missing out on top players. Our revenue from commercials and sponsership is still significantly less than our rivals. Did not help us reduce our debt burden. Did nothing really.
Bamford,
Upstate said Emery is a fraud because he poses as other people namely a clown and a vampire.
Seeing as I am yet to see him in a clown suit or fake fangs and a cape I have absolutely no idea what he’s going on about.
“One, I’ve never argued that Kroenke offers positives per se; my argument has always been that he isn’t a negative “ This is you looking for a semantic duck and roll (not Chinese). “If they continue to bungle the manager question, or if they seem indifferent to Arsenal succeeding, THEN you will have some evidence, then you will have an argument. But as of right now, you don’t. You just have your antipathy” Not entirely wrong, but enough for my view to very much be valid. The previous ownership oversaw transition from *Great, to not so much, to Great* and… Read more »
Well said truth
19,51
TR7
Nah, that’s nonsense. He believed in Wenger, and he entrusted much if not all of those things to Wenger. Wenger failed, and it took Kroenke too long to see that Wenger was not only falling but that he was incapable of doing what he thought he was capable of doing. So that is on Kroenke. But only that.
Most of what you are laying at Kroenke’s feet belongs to Wenger.
Chris
“” Says a lot really. I think most sensible people can see things aren’t quite right yet”””
We don’t want sensible. We want innovation and we want to be bold!
Reading and Swansea do sensible!
We are Arsenal.
We are unique.
We are Pioneers- from Chapman to Wenger .
The Emery way ain’t The Arsenal Way.
Read Herbert Chapman’s biography
And then you can decide of Emerys your man!
Benny
I know. Ridiculous.
TR7
You never said which moniker/s you posted under previously.
Your take sides, play a blame game, look to jump in and make a remark here or there. That’s literally what you do. You have taken a side you blame Stan (for overseeing the decline though already declining) and you jumped in on a discussion between Bam and Alex. I mean am I wrong here. Also you continue to dodge the decline stuff he took over in 06 we stopped competing for the league 3 seasons prior. There’s one recurrence in our decline and it’s Arsene Wenger. Now the onus is on Stan’s hires to correct things. That will take… Read more »
Benny
Lighten up, dude. That bit was meant as a joke obviously. Point was that he poses as someone he is clearly not, a football manager. Maybe real Emery was abducted by aliens.
Huddersfield shots on target -6
Arsenal……………………………………….-4
Huddersfield shots ………………..15
Arsenal …………………….-……………….9.
Abysmal stats from us against the bottom of the table.
The 3 points being welcomed.
Bamford10February 9, 2019 19:44:33
What did previous ownership do — please don’t point to Wenger’s accomplishments, btw, or to Graham’s —
—————
Can’t believe this -I’m stupified by what I’ve just read!!
Absolutely incredible…
Right,I’m off…
“I mean am I wrong here“ Marko you should save yourself a bit of time and just assume you are on most things. This case is no different. I’m not remotely similar to you, please don’t even go there. I’ve not jumped in on anything to take sides, I have an opinion on a football subject and have spent time arguing the merits of that. I’m not siding with particular folk, or against particular folk, i’m not responding half-cocked, or looking opportunistically for when someone trips up so I can act the jester. That’s you, go ahead and be you,… Read more »
James
The only relevant stat is the scoreline
Redtruth.
As I said 3points welcomed against a deserving gutsy Huddersfield.
Charlie George
You misunderstand. Most sensible fans can see that it will take longer than 8 months to turn things around completely, whilst fully acknowledging that we are witnessing some worrying performances and decisions. I doubt you will find many people completely satisfied with Emery’s performance thus far. I’m certainly not.
Your personal feelings towards him is clouding your sensibility. I suggest you go watch Fever Pitch of the Invincibles dvd on Repeat until after the summer of 2020. He may be gone at that point. I doubt he will before. Your banging on a drum nobody else is hearing.
“Wenger is testament to the people above being switched onto the needs and desires of the club and fans.”
Well up until the last season of Wenger’s tenure Kroenke would’ve been met with rounds of “One Arsene Wenger” on the rare occasion he ventured to the Emirates. So by keeping him on for as long as he did, he was very much switched on the sentiment expressed by match-goers up until the 2017/18 season.
‘He believed in Wenger, and he entrusted much if not all of those things to Wenger. Wenger failed, and it took Kroenke too long to see that Wenger was not only falling but that he was incapable of doing what he thought he was capable of doing. So that is on Kroenke. But only that.’
Gross oversimplification ! Blame Wenger for what he was culpable of but this black and white approach by a few people on here is nonsensical.
We have two charlie’s on here who are both clowns.
Kosielny and Monreal had decent games today..kosielny ‘s positional play was spot on, monreal looks back to full fitness. Arsenal as a team surrender possession way too easily , the possession stat was 68% in favour of Huddersfield at one stage in the 2nd half which is unacceptable, we will never control a game without possession of the ball. We looked sharp whenever we did have the ball in the final third , Mhkitaryan movement and intelligence made a difference..iwobi was iwobi . I actually think Saurez did what the game needed when he came on , kept it simple… Read more »
CC &TR7
Save yourself the energy and trouble-You will be here all night just going round in circles.Not worth it..
I don’t know why I get involved if I’m being honest.It’s just all garbled b/s on that guy’s part.You get more sense out of watching a bird perched on a tree, sqawking in order to locate it’s mate or flock.You can see from a mile off-what’s what.
Have a good evening once again.
Paulinho
Don’t take a remark so literally in order to try and counter it or undermine the premise of the argument. If Kroenke had surrounded himself with the right people he would’ve been questioning Wenger from circa 2010.
He didn’t do that because he’s a shit owner, one who’s valued the personal wealth generated from Arsenal over being interested in unifying a vision that saw us compete among the very best.
I’m not bothered whether we finish 2nd or 10th as only winning titles matter.
And winning titles can only be delivered by huge investment regardless of who is manager.
PhD, you’re probably right on this one as the stock ‘dismantling’ of the argument presented is under way. A tactic so often seen on here when the subject can’t be reasonably argued. Alas, my feet are up and i’m chilling so all is well. Best to you also!
I’m not siding with particular folk, or against particular folk, i’m not responding half-cocked, or looking opportunistically for when someone trips up so I can act the jester. That’s you, go ahead and be you, just away from me if you don’t mind.
Baaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa
Phd
‘I don’t know why I get involved if I’m being honest’
That’s exactly what I think everytime I engage with Bamford. Perhaps it’s the certitude with which he spreads falsehoods/makes claims that coaxes me in to countering them.
Good evening ! I hope you are doing well.
To think we could have signed Hazard but Wenger thought Gervinho would be the better option.
Obviously after watching him on Star Trek the next generation he thought he’d be useful on a football pitch.
The writing was very much on the wall back then and alarm bells were deafening.
Top 4 takes the edge off from winning a title….
Scrapping top 4 will see a more competitive league.
Charlie – You didn’t see a problem with Wenger being manager at the start of the 16/17 season – it was transfer policy/personnel the issue in your eyes(delighted with Xhaka, unhappy we didn’t get Higuain). If you are criticising Kroenke for not getting the wheels in motion for removing Wenger back on 2010, I would’ve expected his dismissal to be front and centre of your concerns by that time. Shouting it from the roof tops. But it wasn’t and you weren’t. So the question I would ask you is, why was that?
Scrapping top 4 will also revive the FA Cup ..
Kronke’s only concern was Arsenal operating on a self sustaining model that kept hitting top 4 and bringing in the Champions league money, he had no need to intervene until then.
As soon as we fell out 2 years running Wenger got the boot proving very much that he does have his eye on the ball.
I guarantee that if we don’t hit top 4 during the 2 years of Emery’s contract he won’t get it renewed and another manager will be brought in.
Boring boring Arsenal.
Charlie I fail to see how you can say that if Kroenke had been listening to the right people, he would have dismissed Wenger in 2011, when you yourself were open to retaining Wenger as late as the summer of 2017. You said in these very pages in the summer of 2017 that if you had to choose between the two (Wenger or Kroenke) you would choose to retain Wenger because when he was last “held accountable,” he had been winning trophies. This means that you thought Wenger was still capable of winning trophies. Well, then you and Stan Kroenke… Read more »
Bamford10February 9, 2019 20:12:06 Most of what you are laying at Kroenke’s feet belongs to Wenger. ——- Total bollocks. Yes Arsene was culpable on the footballing front.He made the decisions with regards to players he wanted,tactics,substitutions,formations,,etc,etc.. Kroenke was culpable for overseeing the demise under Arsene’s stewardship as manager. There is also the small matter of Gazidis,which of recent ,you have now changed tack and agreed(albeit rather late in the day) that he was partly to blame in the machinations of the club.When previously,you resolutely claimed -that ‘Gazidis was towing the company line and was a paid suit.’ Funny,how now you… Read more »
Paulinho I could still think Wenger is right man for the job, it has zero relevance when discussing Stan Kroenke and what he should’ve been wise to. If you think angling a retort to frame me as ‘for Wenger’ during whatever period serves to belittle the point being made you’re wrong. Stan is majority’s shareholder of the club, not Dan and Tom from the local who follow the Arsenal. He has a duty of care to be the most informed of anyone at the club as to the competency of X,Y, or Z. By not being as such he failed… Read more »
Yes and Kronke’s business was letting Arsenal run itself as a self sustaining model that kept getting top 4. As soon as it was obvious after 2 years of failure it was never going to happen again under Wenger he got the boot.
Pretty simple really.
Well done Kronke.
And if we don’t get top 4 next season Emery will also get the boot.
TR7
One, please identify one “falsehood” I have “spread,” guy.
Two, you told us that you have been posting here since 2010, but you have yet to tell us which moniker/s you used to post under. Is there some reason you’re not being up front about this?
(And by the way, let’s just note that the guy you’re commiserating with above has been binned at least once because he is a bit of a lunatic.)
“You said in these very pages in the summer of 2017 that if you had to choose between the two (Wenger or Kroenke) you would choose to retain Wenger because when he was last “held accountable,” he had been winning trophies. This means that you thought Wenger was still capable of winning trophies.“ Predictable as you like. I answered Paulinho above with much of what applies here, he is also keen to hold me (and any other fan) to the same standard as the majority shareholding owner of the club. Go figure. No it didn’t mean ‘i thought Wenger was… Read more »
Bamford10February 9, 2019 20:52:52 CharlieYou said in these very pages in the summer of 2017 that if you had to choose between the two (Wenger or Kroenke) you would choose to retain Wenger because when he was last “held accountable,” he had been winning trophies. This means that you thought Wenger was still capable of winning trophies. Well, then you and Stan Kroenke were apparently of the same view, and I fail to see how you are in any position to criticize the man. ——- Total bollocks again.. Now,you are deliberately misrepresenting facts and trying to spout falsehoods. I remember… Read more »
TR7February 9, 2019 20:44:49
I’m well.Going to catch an early night hopefully.Busy day ahead tomorrow.
Will be interesting to see how the Man City vs Chelsea game pans out.
Have a good one.You should do a guest post on the financials.Would be awesome..
PS
I should heed my own advice.Not bite. 🙂
PhD, hah breathe mate don’t let it stress you. Tomorrow’s game should be interesting, hoping City win because Liverpool don’t need any help this year and I can’t bear the thought of that lot winning
Charlie – So would you admit your view/criticisms of Kroenke are shaped by a large dollop of retrospective hindsight, considering you didn’t hold the same view at the time/s you(now) think Wenger should’ve been removed? You can answer that without referring to Kroenke.
Wanting Guardiola doesn’t mean you think Wenger leaving was necessary. You saw it as an upgrade, not as a necessity. Kroenke was supposedly to have known it was a necessity as early as 2010.
Champagne charlieFebruary 9, 2019 21:09:44 PhD, hah breathe mate don’t let it stress you. Tomorrow’s game should be interesting, hoping City win because Liverpool don’t need any help this year and I can’t bear the thought of that lot winning —– I get your resentment towards Liverpool. 🙂 But it would be interesting to see Man City win the EPL title on the one hand.Can’t remember the last time a club won the EPL back-2-back?Probably under SAF right?Might be wrong.That being the case,it would be interesting to see how Pepe copes next season defending the title(should they win it) and… Read more »
“Kroenke was supposedly to have known it was a necessity as early as 2010.“ No, he should’ve been finger on the pulse and known things were stagnating from around this mark onward. The fact it took a further 8 years serves to suggest he wasn’t. “So would you admit your view/criticisms of Kroenke are shaped by a large dollop of retrospective hindsight, considering you didn’t hold the same view at the time/s you(now) think Wenger should’ve been removed?” No, because i’ve never been privy to the information of an owner so I was always more reserved in what action I… Read more »
Charlie
What information did Kroenke have access to that you did not? Given that you know something about football — based on the tenor of your commentary, I’d say you seem to think you know a great deal about football — doesn’t this mean you were actually better-positioned than Stan Kroenke to make a judgment about Wenger? If you thought Wenger was still potentially capable of winning titles — you said this, after all — why is it that Kroenke should not have thought the same? Again, what information did he have access to that you did not? Please explain.
Stan was happy when Wenger was getting CL money
When that stopped he sacked him
Banford
Seriously? What information did the majority owner of the club have over a fan?
The operations of the club, the responsibilities of those employed (without speculation), the finances and where they were designated/anticipated, the short/med/long term plan of the club etc.
All of the above in detail no fan could ever dream of. Stupid question if you ask me, but from your engagement on here i’m certain you’re poised ready to look for any slither of a counter-argument to pounce on and this is you fishing.
“Romantically I’m sure I gave Wenger too much leeway, but that would make me wrong and vindicate Stan in no way whatsoever.” Fair enough. Back at the time you’re referring to (2010) I wanted Wenger sacked, but I also realised Kroenke was in an awkward spot. If he had sacked Wenger he would’ve got absolute pelters from every angle, fans, pundits etc, and at that point (and for a while after) Wenger was getting into the champions league so not necessarily ‘failing’, even if the rot was setting in. Meanwhile, on his vaunts back to the US Kroenke would’ve had… Read more »
If Emery fails to get CL money Stan will sack him
Paulinho I don’t mean to sound like these decisions were by any means easy to initiate and follow through with, I totally get your point there. I’m merely of the view that Stan failed in his duty to be ‘on the ball’ and cognisant of precisely what he needed to be in order to progress the football club. Being a visionary and progressive isn’t easy, I appreciate that believe me, but intending to be preparing for such is a basic requirement of which Stan hasn’t shown. I’m not calling for Emery to be sacked, I don’t think it would be… Read more »
Fans detained for mocking Sala death
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/11633141/police-detain-southampton-fans-appearing-to-mock-death-of-emiliano-sala
Jeez what is wrong with people seriously??
But putting that to one side – can the Police do that? What crime was commited and why can the Police detain people just because?
Unless maybe breech of the peace or inciting violence?
HillWood,
Yep, exactly, that’s what I’ve been saying. Kronke had no need to micro manage everything because he trusted the board, Chief Exec and Wenger to run the club just like they did before he bought them. Once it became obvious the top 4 gravy train had derailed Kronke acted and got rid.
Really odd how some are struggling to grasp this very simple concept.
Champagne Yes, I’m well aware that the owner would have access to all sorts of information that you would not have access to, but I don’t think any of that info would help one answer the question: is Wenger still capable of competing for or winning a title? I think that that comes down to watching the man’s teams, listening to the man talk about the game, looking at the decisions he made re personnel, tactics, etc. You had access to all of this, and unlike Stan Kroenke, you know something about football. So, sorry, but I remain unconvinced that… Read more »
Kroenke’s weakness is listening to the fans..
Abramovich is ruthless and cares not what fans think….
Champagne
“My big issue is I’ve no clue what Arsenal/Stan want of Emery, or even the next 3 years.”
Ummm, they’ve been pretty clear on this: CL football. Then upward from there.
You are on much better ground when you criticize Emery and say that, based on what we’ve seen so far, you are unclear about what he is trying to do. That’s a much better point.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11743/11633007/eddie-howe-argues-the-case-for-var-after-liverpools-opening-goal-against-bournemouth
Liverpool getting yet more jammy dodgy decisions their way.
I’m really looking forward to VAR next season, having it in Rugby & Tennis shows how great it is and I for one can’t wait for football to be dragged kicking and screaming into the digital age where can finally rid the game of terrible decisions, offsides, handballs and cheating.
About time.
Banford If you’re well aware then you wouldn’t have asked such a redundant question. Also, you’re suggesting that the average football fan knows as much about the competency of a manger as the owner of the football club even after acknowledging the owner is privy to details no fan ever would be – details that undoubtedly influence an informed decision on what the manager is offering. So i’d spend a bit less time remarking about what I should or shouldn’t say as far as content goes on here. Especially as you’ve spent much of the day tripping over yourself and… Read more »
Back at the time you’re referring to (2010) I wanted Wenger sacked, but I also realised Kroenke was in an awkward spot I’d say. 4 years into owning Arsenal and he was expected to sack a popular manager who was there 14 years? Not going to happen. I thought you made an interesting point Paulinho back then there wasn’t enough people asking questions of Wenger and in 2019 to criticize the vacant owner for not doing something back then is ludicrous. I think the FA Cup win against Chelsea is another example. Literally the first game Stan goes to that… Read more »
Bennydevito
“I’m really looking forward to VAR next season, having it in Rugby & Tennis shows how great it is and I for one can’t wait for football to be dragged kicking and screaming into the digital age where can finally rid the game of terrible decisions, offsides, handballs and cheating.”
Shame it wasn’t introduced a few years back as it was reported that Arsenal would have been crowned league champions the year Leicester won the league…
Pierre,
Agreed. I read a stat somewhere that for a number of years we have had the most offsides, bad tackles and other such decisions go against us than any other team.
Charlie “If you’re well aware, then you wouldn’t have asked such a redundant question.” Except that wasn’t the question I was asking. Obviously. The issue we were discussing was Kroenke’s decision re Wenger, and your claim was that Kroenke had access to information that you did not. When I asked, “what info did he have that you did not?,” I was obviously asking about information that would help one determine if Wenger was still capable of competing for titles, not information about the club’s inner workings in general. Everything else you said after that was equally dishonest and even more… Read more »
Bennydevito
The penalty stats regarding Arsenal are proof enough that we have been on the end of too many dodgy decisions the last 10/12 years or so.
Has anybody considered that should Ole G not get the job permanently at Utd next season that we should go for him to replace Emery? Afterall, many in here seem to think he is a tactical genius who has completely turned Utd around, and those same people think the Utd squad is no better than ours, so Ole G should have no trouble getting us into the top 4 with no money spent. He’s proven himself more than Arteta has so if he doesn’t get the Utd job shouldn’t we be calling for him to replace Emery? Incidentally I’ve tweeted… Read more »
Oooh so far 60% Emery stays, 20% each Ole G and PV4 and 0% on Arteta!! 🤣🤣
Funny that people demanding flair and style of play yet at the same time defending the likes of AMN.!.total hypocrisy !
He is too careless and too dumb to play at this level..
Bring back jenko or even play gunnersaurus!
Same thing, when you have serial bottlers and losers like Mustafi, iowbe, kola, mikhi, and Elneny, you don’t ask for style, you pray for a miracle!
Ian Wright on Motd pointing out that Iwobi is improving and showing promising signs of potential.
Well said Wrighty!
What the hell was Kolasinac doing?
Mihkitaryan looked good and seems to have brought some good play to our attack.
Leno with some good saves and Kozzer with some good tackling and cutting out chances.
Good signs of improvement.
Southampton at home really should be another 3 points.
Things are looking good.