Unai Emery dealt with his first major humiliation at Arsenal in a game that was of no surprise to anyone paying attention to what’s been going on over the past few months. We sent out a group with sticks and stones to respond to players with nuclear weapons. There was never a chance. It was an obliteration. The spanking was so hard, there wasn’t even a bloodbath, because we’d been vaporised.
Fans had to have seen that coming, we’ve been getting away with a lot of average over the past 5 months. There was always going to be a correction. The defence has been incredibly porous, but we’ve rode our luck. Our strikers have been outrageously efficient in every game. Our style of play has yet to be defined. This result was always on the cards, but we hoped the slap back to reality wouldn’t be so brutal.
There are two conflicting issues we’re running up against here that could cause challenges as we look to progress from 14 years of squad and backroom neglect.
The coach has to get a free pass is the first.
It’s very difficult to apportion too much blame on the manager. We don’t live in a world where there’s one man who makes all the decisions. There’s now three. No man, woman or child can look at the squad Emery has and say that he’s been given anywhere near the right tools to do a good job at Arsenal. We are woefully short across the board. Our keeper looks fragile, our defence is old, our star midfielder is slow and ponderous, and we have no wide players of note. That is not the work of Emery alone. That’s the remnants of Arsene Wenger and some teething problems with Sven Mislintat.
As a friend pointed out to me. Klopp finished 8th in his first season with Liverpool, the Poch dropped fewer points than Tim Sherwood in his debut with Spurs. You don’t build an elite side in a season unless the owners invest properly, or you get very, very lucky.
The concern I have is what comes after we invest?
As much as I want to believe in the current man in charge, I’m struggling to see what the offering is at the moment. This feels like a transition moment. Like the club is upgrading the gym, injecting some energy, and fixing the basics. We’re 6 months into this project and I can’t see what the plan is. What’s the style? How are we solving the defensive issues? Things have been so rough that we’ve only led once at halftime in half a season. That says the coach doesn’t know how to pick a good starting 11 and he doesn’t know how to fix the defence.
This is the conundrum the club is in. We have made our bed and the only way to give Emery a fair crack is to supply him with a shit tonne of money we know almost certainly isn’t coming.
So we are in a stasis situation. We’re exacerbating our problems by funnelling resource into someone who is unlikely to take us to the next level, which is probably going to put us further back. I don’t think Arsenal can absorb the cost of a transition coach like United have been able to. There’s too little interest from the owner to be able to afford that.
That’s the brutality of elite sport. Bad decision after bad decision puts you further and further out. I’m sure we’ll be in a better place by the end of the season. Things won’t be that bad. However, I don’t think the coach we have in at the minute is better than any of the coaches above us. If you want to find the next level, you have to find someone with new and original ideas. Someone who can extract more out of less. I just don’t think we have that, and unfortunately, it’s going to take us 2 years to come to this exact conclusion, because no exec team is going to own up to a mistake this early on.
So what do we have to look forward to?
Well, the club can certainly make some aggressive moves in January. We need to clear out the players that can’t help us moving forward. Say what you will about Emery, the biggest challenge he’s had to deal with is having his two best players in conflict with his vision. Aaron Ramsey has been deemed not good enough which is the correct decision. He needs to be shipped off. Mesut Ozil is a broken player who hasn’t given a fuck for 3 years, let’s do whatever we can to clear him from the wage bill.
Then we need to sign in better. We need the cream of the 22-year-old’s so we can elevate our play.
We also need to move on the players that are clearly too old or too weak for where we need to go. Mo Elneny shouldn’t be with us if he has no use outside league cup games. Lichtsteiner has been a miserable experiment. You can’t adapt to the Premier League at his age. Koscielny is finished. Love him, but it’s over. Granit Xhaka is never going to hit the level, it doesn’t matter how many passes he sprays around, he’s too slow and prone to bouts of dimness.
The squad needs to be aggressively shaken up, because everyone around us it getting better, and that’s before United find another 100m to spend with a proper manager.
The biggest concern for Emery right now though is to inject some belief into the squad. Those players will switch off from him very quickly if he doesn’t get them firing very quickly. He’s made some bold decisions, but they’re not paying off. He needs to get everyone back on side and he needs to rally those troops fast. We cannot afford to have a Wenger like flop in January and February, there’s too much riding on this season for it to be over now.
Just before I go, the absolute atrocity of the exAKB ghouls who came bounding online yesterday like they’d just won the lottery was truly shameful. If you can’t piece together the direct implication of Wenger in our current mess, you truly have no place commenting on football. Taking joy in a loss because you think your average opinions of Wenger having a rough ride over the past 14 years is the height of shit fandom. And yes, there was a lot of that yesterday. Utterly pathetic.
We are paying the direct consequence of not firing Arsene Wenger 8 years ago when it was clear we were on the slide. We let everything fail, from top to bottom. We let good people rot, we passed on innovation, we didn’t bring in great players and we failed to maintain a grip on an elite mentality. That’ll take any coach longer than 6 months to fix.
Right, that’s me done, see you babes in the comments.
Confidentgoner December 30, 2018 15:08:34 “Our defenders can do better as a unit if peoperly coached. Van Dyke is over hyped. He is good, but if gou close your dtes to how Kkop and his team have got these POOL players defending then you are not a good analyst.” Confident – our defenders are a combination of players that cannot work together as a unit – an inheritance (take it or leave it) from Wenger. Coaching them will make no difference per se as their natural defensive instincts will kick in when faced with scenarios that require their own decision… Read more »
how can you listen to anyone with Sanogo in their sign on?
‘Very true. He’s not a defensive manager and to expect HIM to be able to sort out the defence is fanciful. ‘
Expecting our manager to sort out the defence is fanciful ? What will he improve then ? Our attack ? We create fewer chances than we have in the last few seasons. What’s his mandate then ?
“, a war with an a absent owner who’s only interest is money”
Auba £56m
Lacazette £52m
Ozil £42m
Xhaka £35m
Mustafi £35m
Sanchez £35m
Mykhitaryan £34m
Torreira £27m
Leno £22m
Perez £17m
Chambers £16m
Welbeck £16m
£45m on the new training and academy complexes.
£350k per week – second highest paid player in the PL.
Paulinho of course you have better CM’s capable of controlling the ball in tight areas and controlling the game as well as genuine outlets in attack that can stretch and punish the opposition would help dramatically with the amount of pressure on your defence (hence why the argument that you should leave Ozil from the defensive side of things to be a bit silly everyone has to put in effort) but in saying all that it comes to nothing if you still have defenders making errors. I totally agree with you though but I just think we’ve gone down the… Read more »
Sanagoals
We had the third highest net spend over 5 seasons before this summer. Kroenke has not stopped the club spending.
Did I read or hear the other day that Ozil only has 1 assist this season?
Apparently so. The mighty Ryan Fraser is pissing all over him this season. And before his favorite fan chimes in with he’s barely played this season he’s played 16 games. 1 assist 16 games
Marko
I reckon Pierre has just had a stroke.
Tough one TR7 what’s Emery ever been good at?
Arsenal went wrong when they lost against 10 men in the 1999 FA Cup Semi Final. From Bergkamp’s missed penalty to Vieira’s misplaced pass lead to conceding a shambolic winner…
Arsenal went wrong when they lost against 10 men in the 1999 FA Cup Semi Final. From Bergkamp’s missed penalty to Vieira’s misplaced pass which lead to conceding a shambolic winner…
Is it not beyond the realms to approach Dortmund and offer them
Ozil and 25 mill for the yank….
So good you said it twice red
@Guns of Hackney I would say when the greed shareholders sold out the club to Kroenke is when everything went wrong. @Redtruth Don’t forget Seaman shocking goalkeeping lying down on the floor opening up the entire goal for Giggs to score. ____ Another thing I don’t get with Arsenals fans base is the general smugness. Turning up their noses at players. We’re not exactly Barcelona who can pick and choose. Shaqiri is not good enough for Arsenal but apparently he’s good enough for Liverpool sitting 16 points ahead in the table. You couldn’t make it up. We needed a wide… Read more »
VVD is not “overhyped”. He is quality. He is a class act who oozes self-confidence and self-belief. He had Aubameyang in his pocket yesterday. There was a moment where Auba had a sniff of getting past him, but VVD put on the afterburners and shrugged him aside. Auba doesn’t have these attributes. If he knows he’s in a 50:50 situation, he tends to back off. That’s why Lacazette should be starting ahead of him. Emery spent two minutes talking to Lacazette before he entered the field. God knows what he was saying to him. Yep, as you can see, still… Read more »
The earlier you lot forget Wenger and face the reality on ground the better. It’s high time we start to worry if the likes of banega, sokratis, lich e.t.c. are the types of players we are eyeing. if smaller teams can improve their defensive unit then nothing is stopping us from doing likewise. Mislintat or whoever is in charge just have to look at what other teams are doing and try to do better with limited capital. I don’t follow the line of reasoning that its when you spend 100million that our defence can come good. If Emery can be… Read more »
Stan kept Wenger till he failed to bring in CL money
Funny how it is always Wenger’s fault when something goes wrong during a game. During the overhyped run, it was all done to Emery. Yes the team is still unbalanced, but tactically and personal wise Emery and Arsenal got spanked. A lot of the result should be on Emery’s shoulder. 1) Personnel choice When I said that a defender considered to be too slow by and old by the Juventus to even play in the Italian league would be a disaster waiting to happen in the Premiership, I was told that Lichsteiner was a hidden gem. I think that we… Read more »
Unless and until Emery gets a chance to replace at least 70% of the squad with his own players, it’s not possible to judge how good or bad a manager really is. Why? Because we know from the past 5 years that the set of players we have aren’t League winning material. We have to give him time and I’m not talking about 22 years either – just 2 or 3 would do. People can be so impatient, forgetting that even the best managers with the best teams can sometimes fail and conversely (once in a while) a mediocre manager… Read more »
Emeryoila
Pepemery
Glad to see that Arteta has got city back on track.
Marko
You’re absolutely correct
The ONLY way to sort out any defence is so spend hundreds of millions of pounds on players emery or Sven minislat seems worthy ala Sokratis Lichtsteiner and Leno
What kind of idiot would expect, no no no, hope even, that our new manager might be able to coach the defence to a top 4 standard
Even wenger managed that for 20/22 seasons. Let’s see if emery can. So far so bad
Valentin
You’re not a plumber by any chance are you?
Jeff
We don’t need to replace 70% of the squad
We need a better starting 11 and an actual game plan.
Man city were missing fernandinho..
He got injured and it all went tits up for them..
Pep also kept walker out today, he has been a liability in the last couple of games ..
I guess he has enough quality to change things around
If that was Man City struggling…
Nice little 3-1 win against the team that battered us.
Valentin
Yesterday was a defensive shambles. Michael Owen clarified everything after the game. “Kids at school are taught the basics of defending. These are grown men. It’s just not good enough”.
Two penalties, a scrappy first goal, naive defending for Mane’s goal and Roberto Firmino’s mazy dribble, where three players went to ground. It was comical.
It just beggars belief that Bould is still at the club. Years of sitting nodding his head like a poodle and he still continues to hold the defensive reins. If anyone has to leave in January, it has to be Bould.
Ludicrous.
You’re absolutely correct
The ONLY way to sort out any defence is so spend hundreds of millions of pounds on players emery or Sven minislat seems worthy ala Sokratis Lichtsteiner and Leno
About 19 million and 15 million… hardly hundreds of million. And yes it is the only way expecting the defenders we have to be better than they actually are is ridiculous
A mixture of trusting youth and clearing out dross in the next 6 months..,
Leaving us geared to start next season…
We only see what occurs on the pitch day To day behind the scenes is what management see … players need to turn it on second nature not only when 5hey fancy,,
I think if we play a front 3 o
Laca Eddie Auba
We would seestrikers complimenting each other
The player City missed is David Silva. creme de la creme of playmakers. Fernandinho can be replaced. Silva less so. If he stays fit they will get back the swagger
Livsrpool’s first goal was keystone cops…..,..whacking a clearance against your own player .lol
Marko
That’s not what you said though is it dopey??
“To expect HIM to coach the defence is a bit fanciful”
“He’s not a defensive manager”
“The only way” is to spend.
Fuck me the gift that keeps on giving. Christmas continues with marko and his pearls of wisdom.
Who’s gonna coach the defence then marko? Santa? A leprechaun? The Easter bunny?
No other side in the history of football managed to coach their defence to not lose 5-1 without throwing cheque books around did they?
Un na naai “We need a better starting 11 and an actual game plan.” That is not an argument – it’s an aspiration that is impossible to disagree with. Every team, every club and every manager needs that. It’s HOW you get a better starting 11. What you seem to be saying is that if we took this squad and put it into a computer simulation and let it run for a few days trying out every combination that perhaps in one of those combinations out of the billions we might actually win the league. Yes, that is true. But… Read more »
Allegri said no because our owner is a stiff idiot So who else really would have got us defending better with a 70 million outlay and a defence that had a past it captain, no reliable LB, 2rookie defenders, one massively stupid senior defender and a RB who would rather be a winger. Some of you underestimate the power of a manager really, there are so many undisciplined and error prone players in our squad only a miracle working manager would have fixed it without spending ridiculous sums. Look at the goals yesterday, even championship team defenders wouldn’t make that… Read more »
My sudden frustrations have nothing to do with Wenger or the fact we just got stuffed 5-1 by Liverpool. It’s based on what I’m seeing being played out infront of me and, in particular, the way Emery is handling a problematic period. It’s like he’s accepting things, which I wasn’t expecting.
Wenger was Wenger, but if Emery starts to come across as a Wenger #2, I will get pissed off very quickly. It won’t take the players long to feed off this negative acceptance philosophy.
Batistuta, look at Spurs. That is a great manager. Great managers do great things.
Outrageous assist from Rashford
Utd are playing good watchable football ffs
The over reaction and even inherent gloating by some posters to be able to say “See i was right” is in bad faith though bit not unexpected considering we have the most divided fan base in world football but some of you need to get a hold of yourselves and be realistic with what you wanted to see from the manager. What we need at the moment more than anything else is an owner that cares about the club and an end to our self sustainable model. We’re so far behind only significant investment for 2 or 3 consecutive transfer… Read more »
Oh here we go
Clearing out the dross…..
Zzzzzzz
We cleared out the ox and Theo and Giroud and podolski and Gabriel and flamini and many many others in the last 3 years not to mention our 3 best players in sanchez Wilshere and cazorla
We don’t need to clear out the squad
We need to add to our first 11 and get rid of ozil
Squads need depth
Pedro Yea look at Spurs and all that trophies they’ve won with their great manager. Has he got them competing yea to an extent but you can’t call any manager a great manager until they you know….win something and that’s all that matters to us as fans, trophies to celebrate and not how competitive we are compared to others. I like Pochettino mainly due to how he’s done with little to no financial support but until he wins something, all he is will be a decent mannager plus he actually has a much stronger and better squad than Arsenal, has… Read more »
The goals we conceded against Liverpool were just as comical as the ones we conceded against manure ..and let’s not forget the two penalties we gifted to Crystal palace, totally unnecessary..
These players shit their pants every time the ball get in the box, no composure whatsoever..how can you coach that?
I don’t know
Well, Auba had only 13 touches yesterday and 6 of them were from kick off. That is the very epitome of what one would call poor. Ozil didn’t even play. So how would that go down in the greater scheme of things? What’s the likeliest explanation when faced with a side on form?
G8
That’s exactly my point, there are/ have been for a while now so many error prone players pulling on the Red and White for us so yea, how does a manager coach that
Jeff I’m not saying that at all. I’m also not talking of winning the league. Just to get ourselves into the top four for now. I think we have enough decent/good/great squad players but what we need now is to improve the starting 11 That means less sideways purchases like Sokratis and Leno and more like guendouzi and Torriera while coaching the good players we do have into something resembling a tight cohesive unit. Had we signed maguire instead of Leno and Sokratis I’d have been happier. I don’t rate either highly enough to start for us. Or maybe they… Read more »
Sevilla are interested in signing Mavropanos in January or next summer. They’re looking for a defender who’s good in the air
A bad workman blames his tools.
The Egyptians built pyramids that far exceed acceptable tolerances considered totally fine, now!..with little more than a drawing device and mathematics.
If Emery or his team cannot get professional defenders to, um…defend, then something is amiss.
It’s not like he’s asking a forward to hominem goal or vice versa. Sheesh.
Early days for Emery
But Dixon Winterburn Donkey Adams weren’t great individual players
They were coached into a defensive unit though
Hominem???
That was meant to be “play in goal and vice versa”.
What about going down a division to the championship? Perhaps the defenders there are more akin to actually defend.
Hill wood
My sentiments exactly
UTD looking good again.
They have a better group of players than us.
Depressing that we are gonna finish 6th.
Absolutely awful stuff from WengEmery
The good thing is that Emery must know he only has till May to impress, No way should we take up the new season if we are just as bad as before
I do not agree with the statement that says He has made some bold decisions but they’re not paying off, I think he needs time to make more such decisions. For instance Ramsey is not gone yet we haven’t seen his replacement. Decisions still pend on all players of the Wenger era as the new coach stamps his own authority. Decisions pend on Chambers Mustafi Kos Iwobi Mkhi Cech Monreal Sokratis Ozil Lichtsteiner etc
Howe is incredibly over-hyped.
Looking at the squad we have (including youth), the players we are due to lose for nowt in the summer, and the lack of interest in the club from the owner (other than as a financial doorstop), we realistically have to accept that our guaranteed place in the top 4 is now just a memory. We may take advantage of Spurs, whose manager is likely to leave and whose stadium move will hamstring them, but that still leaves Chelsea and Man Utd – both clubs with much bigger resources than we have. Emery, Guardiola, Klopp, Nagelsmann or whoever we have… Read more »
Un na naai
Let’s see what Emery does in this window. I would expect him to make the most of his time at Arsenal because he knows the clock is ticking on his contract.
Ad for top four, I wouldn’t discount that just yet. We’re only half the season in and five points behind Chelsea and they’re not firing on all cylinders either – same as Tottenham beaten by Wolves. So I think top four is still very much to play for.
You dont win three Europa leagues in succession beating Klopps Liverpool in the process, whilst being shite at tactics..
Give the man some time and back him in the transfer market.
Six months, six months! That’s all emery has had, and people are saying get rid, were not challenging we’re only fifth. Etc etc. News flash, squad wise we’re sixth best in the league, and maybe not even that. Squads not balanced it’s piss poor quality and it will take a huge mountain of money to change that. Maybe the five signings wasn’t emery choice? Maybe the fees and wages we were prepared to pay wasn’t good enough to buy better and more expensive players? Like other people have said, klopp and poch have poor first seasons and 3-4 years in… Read more »
Batistuta, look at Spurs. That is a great manager. Great managers do great things.
True but they bought incredibly well when we had a manager who brought incredibly poor or in the case of 2015 while Spurs were buying Son, Trippier and Alderweirald we had a manager who didn’t think there was anyone else available who was better than what we had and bought no outfield player. That’s what we were dealing with for years. Basically we’re behind
And have to add , the only possitve yesterday was err Iwobi. He didnt hide and kept demanding the ball, was good to see.
Gambon quick question how does one go from being the right man for the job after beating Spurs 4-2 at home to should be sacked/there should be protests after a 5-1 away defeat to Liverpool? How do you justify going from one extreme to the other? Is it possible you’re being a bit hysterical?
Jeff
Let’s see. I was a lot more confident before yesterday. You will of course drop points over a season but to hand a beating to yourself like that against a rival is highly disconcerting. And make no mistake we defeated ourselves yesterday. Not Liverpool
I hope you’re right
Spurs might look great, and for the last couple of seasons finished above us because we’ve been so poor. But bottom line they still haven’t won anything with poch in four years, and doubt they will this year either. They came runners up behind the champions Chelsea and never looked like actually winning it. They laughable came third when we came second to Leicester after falling apart on the last day of the season losing 5-1 to ten men Newcastle. They’ve had an inform Kane the last 3-4 years getting the golden boot and still poch can’t get them to… Read more »
I dont see why Emery should get 2 seasons, Many have said on these pages that almost any manager would instantly improve this team. Meaning, not turn us immediately into title contenders but cut out the glaring mistakes and he piss poor purchasing which were endemic Wenger traits. Koscielny instead of Cahill, Gabriel/Mustafi instead of VVD. If we end up lower than 6th and endure more tennis scores this season against top 5 teams. He wont have a leg to stand on. I hated Wenger but will not indulge any new manager with a wait and see approach. He must… Read more »
You don’t win three Europa leagues in succession beating Klopp’s Liverpool in the process, whilst being shite at tactics..
Yea….he’s a Europa coach at best. Not a champions league coach. Besides Liverpool had Mignolet, Kolo Toure, Lovren, Clyne and Moreno in their defense. Mark you only Firmino is a saviving starter from the team that lost to Seville. The rest were deemed not good enough and shipped out. Lovren, Sturridge and Milner are used as substitutes.
Up 4 grabs now Not blaming Steve Bould but am saying he was a critical part of the regressive Wenger regime. He sat there for years, milked the club and ourselves and now he’s been given another chance by Emery, or is it the case the club are getting him to run down his contract before releasing him. I don’t know. The fact of the matter if I was a player coming in each day listening to the same old monotonous rhetoric that Bould is obviously dishing up, I’d find it difficult to motivate myself. Change should mean 100% clear… Read more »
We got beat 5-1 yesterday by the better side, a side that will either win the league or come runners up.
Yes we had a couple of soft penalties given against us and the bindippers got lucky with the deflection. It wouldn’t have made a difference as we were still poor.
We didn’t deserve to win. Injuries caught up with us and players going missing didn’t help. And the General poor condition of our squad contributed as well.
Doesn’t mean the season is over yet though.
Offsides don’t apply to Utd apparently. PL refs: the worst money can get
Graham, does bould coach the defence now? I thought emery brought in his own defensive coach? Maybe bould is the bridge between the players and the new set up I don’t know? Boulds not really the issue, it amazes me that people let Wenger get away with murder for the last 8-10 years but emery gets 20 league games and its no he’s not good enough, get rid. If you put pep, Alex Ferguson, Maureen, klopp, or any other top ten manager from the last 100 years into the hot seat with that squad and 70 million to spend I’d… Read more »
“Batistuta, look at Spurs. That is a great manager. Great managers do great things.”
Does losing the league to Ranieri count as a great thing?
PS: How many of the current Spuds players were inherited by Pochettino?
It was the manner of the defeat not the defeat itself.
All 5 goals were schoolboy errors.
The result shows Wenger has definitely not left the building..no.
“Yea….he’s a Europa coach at best. Not a champions league coach. ”
Sure, remind me again how many European cups Wenger won? Or for that matter Klopp?
.”Besides Liverpool had Mignolet, Kolo Toure, Lovren, Clyne and Moreno in their defense. Mark you only Firmino is a saviving starter from the team that lost to Seville. The rest were deemed not good enough and shipped out. Lovren, Sturridge and Milner are used as substitutes.”
So what you’re suggesting here is that Klopp wasn’t happy with the squad he inherited and went about upgrading it?
Strange that !
Marko Or is it possible I was wrong? Is this what it is with you? You backed Emery so heavily that you’re too embarrassed to admit you were wrong? I wanted Emery before he was mentioned….I was glad we got him. However he is delivering nothing. This isn’t even in question. There’s no grand plan. No playing style. We’re not building towards anything. Emery spoke about the need to improve the defence and improve performance against top teams. It’s not happening. We are the same team we were last season. A mess against top teams, can’t defend, ok going forward.… Read more »
It was the manner of the defeat not the defeat itself.
All 5 goals were schoolboy errors.
The result shows Wenger has definitely not left the building..no.
Exactly. It’s all Wenger again in less than seven months. Look at his choice of first eleven, its like Wenger benching Sanchez against Liverpool.
Been 6 months ?
Aren’t we jumping to conclusions a bit too soon?
We all knew this year was gonna be tough.
Globalgunner
In some respects, I agree with you.
Watching how we defend as a unit, no matter who the unit are, should not be a painful experience.
Under Wenger/Bould it was both painful and embarrassing. Emery should work on the basics of defending before trying to create new and potentially suicidal systems.
I reiterate, these players are not kids. They should all know and understand the concept and art of defending. The 3 C’s – Communicate, Cooperate, Clear the fudging ball , should be engrained into any defenders mindset.
“Yea….he’s a Europa coach at best. Not a champions league coach. Besides Liverpool had Mignolet, Kolo Toure, Lovren, Clyne and Moreno in their defense. Mark you only Firmino is a saviving starter from the team that lost to Seville. The rest were deemed not good enough and shipped out. Lovren, Sturridge and Milner are used as substitutes.” So it’s ok for Klopp to lose because the the team wasn’t his but Emery has failed because he lost to a team Klopp has been building for 3 years? Klopp finished 8th in his first season, finished 4th last season but you… Read more »
Comedy gold here on Le Grove yesterday and today. Valentin and Dissenter – some good points that I agree with. Un na naii – thanks for a good laugh, man. That leprechaun and Easter bunny stuff was hilarious.
True but they bought incredibly well when we had a manager who brought incredibly poor or in the case of 2015 while Spurs were buying Son, Trippier and Alderweirald we had a manager who didn’t think there was anyone else available who was better than what we had and bought no outfield player. That’s what we were dealing with for years. Basically we’re behind
Marko
We finished second that year…
Let’s get real Everton reject Mustafi and Xhaka are shit players who would struggle in a Championship side.
No1 intellectual strikes again
Did you ever play football marko or was it just computer games?
Or is it possible I was wrong?Is this what it is with you? You backed Emery so heavily that you’re too embarrassed to admit you were wrong? I haven’t really backed him I’m just a little more measured in both my praise and criticism of Arsenal these days given the state of the playing staff. I’ve never said he was the right man for the job during the win streak and I’m not about to say we should protest and he should be sacked after a heavy defeat. I wanted Jardim so what do I know. Point is with regards… Read more »
Gambon quick question how does one go from being the right man for the job after beating Spurs 4-2 at home to should be sacked/there should be protests after a 5-1 away defeat to Liverpool? How do you justify going from one extreme to the other? Is it possible you’re being a bit hysterical?
Marko
Is it possible that you don’t expect the head coach to coach our professional defenders??
Gambon, Do you not think emery deserves a couple of transfer Windows and more cash to see what he can do with a better squad of players that are actually his? He inherited a piss poor team that wouldn’t get into any of the teams that finished above us last season. His supposed star players in Ramsey and ozil are awful and won’t generate funds by selling them on. If they are his actual buys, he got a promising keeper, torriera a great bargain, guendouzi who was bought for the future but soon realised he was better than what was… Read more »
I think that comparing us to Klopp is a bit misleading. Liverpool has owners that are ambitious, and willing to spend the $. VVD a prime example. We are not in the boat. We are in lets try to extract a miracle out of average players to make top 4. Our owner is not ambitious like Liverpools. We literally have to beg and take the crumbs he throws us. All this self sustaining crap. If Kronke is out for $- he should sell the club as there will be a lot of willing buyers whom he can profit from. I… Read more »
We finished second on SEVENTY ONE points behind LEICESTER…lol
wrong?I haven’t really backed him I’m just a little more measured in both my praise and criticism of Arsenal these days given the state of the playing staff. I’ve never said he was the righ
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You mean since wenger left
Before that you were far from measured- screaming from the roof tops like some demented loonie and rebelling in our losses
Maybe wenger was good for you. Tested your nihilistic tendencies….
gambon
It’s not just performances against big clubs. Soton, Burnley, BHA. That was supposed to be 9 EASY points. We got 4. That and yesterday’s embarrassing defeat is solely on Emery. Thing is if we lost say 1-0, or 2-1, I think it would have been different and much easier to swallow. But the manner in which we lost the game was truly pathetic. Even Ever Average Everton would have drawn 0-0 with Pool if it wasn’t for the idiot Prickford.
Also the season Leicester won the league even though we ended up finishing second at no point were we even close to contending for the league title.
Don you’re all over the place it’s probably the loss of blood from your arse. That and you’re dumb
Marko
You said we’d fallen behind that year
That was the one year we finished above all of our rivals you mug
Hahaha
He’s gown and done it again
Make it a hat-trick
Do they call you lightning at work??
Don you’re all over the place it’s probably the loss of blood from your arse. That and you’re dumb
Good one
I’ll have to write than one down and stick it into the best comebacks of all time
I remember gambon creaming over Cech and Lichsteiner claiming thè former would propel us to the title.
Klopp finished 8th in his first season, finished 4th last season but you expect Emery to do the magic in half a season?
Klopp joined in October when Liverpool were on downward spiral. He steadied the ship and managed to take them to Europa League finals. In that season, Arsenal finished 2nd with majority of the current players, meaning Emery got Arsenal in a better shape than Klopp got Liverpool. Emery joined in May and had a full pre season with the players. Thus this Klopp comparison is embarrassing to say the least.
It’s not just performances against big clubs. Soton, Burnley, BHA. That was supposed to be 9 EASY points.
Pep Guardiola lost at home to Crystal Palace at home and lost to Leicester. I’m guessing he’s also rubbish because that should be 6 easy points right and he got 0?
Klopp joined in October when Liverpool were on downward spiral. He steadied the ship and managed to take them to Europa League finals. In that season, Arsenal finished 2nd with majority of the current players, meaning Emery got Arsenal in a better shape than Klopp got Liverpool. Emery joined in May and had a full pre season with the players. Thus this Klopp comparison is embarrassing to say the least. No matter how much you try, you can’t change history. Klopp inherited a team that was a Gerald slip away from winning the league while Emery inherited a team that… Read more »
Finishing second on 71 points shows how poor the quality of the Premier league was that seaso
Arsenal actually regressed that season while all the big boys had stinkers.
ManU will get the 5th, maybe even 4th. We’re turning into Everton of old. Pretty soon we’ll be battling with them, Watford, Bournemouth, Wolves, etc for 6th spot. And people were saying Wenger’s days were gloom. I’m usually not the one to jump the gun after one bad result but in reality it was a long time coming and we’ve looked like crap in over a month now. As Pedro mentioned in his post, I just don’t see what the future holds with Emery. And I certainly don’t see any improvement from last season.
Up4grabs
£70m with zero improvement.
No…I wouldn’t want to give him another penny.
Get this team conceding less than 40 per season and lower the xGA massively and then he should be allowed to spend.
Why do people think he will make improvements with £150m that he couldn’t make with £70m?
azed
Yes on Klopp. He’s a checkbook manager. Always was, always will be. They should have beaten both CP and Leicester. The went into both games fully expecting the opposition to bend over and take it from behind. They paid for been too cocky. That’s on the manager. Same goes for Emery.
Azed ‘So it’s ok for Klopp to lose because the the team wasn’t his but Emery has failed because he lost to a team Klopp has been building for 3 years?Klopp finished 8th in his first season, finished 4th last season but you expect Emery to do the magic in half a season?’ Everyone knew Klopp was a top class manager when he signed for Liverpool. So even when he struggled early on, people knew he would eventually set things right. People like Pep ,Klopp etc. have a defined and successful footballing philosophy and a proven track record. Besides Pep… Read more »
azed
Once again, get your facts straight. Klopp didn’t inherit Suarez. He got Benteke. Emery got Auba and Lacazette.