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The third international break in 3 months is by far the most frustrating. It’s the guy who gets booted out of the pub and keeps trying to get in. Fuck off. You are boring.
I tried to take in some of the games, I caught a bit of Torreira at The Emirates which was fun. Neymar gave a shout out to a manager he helped push out the door.
“Now it’s easy to say because Arsenal are playing really great football,”
“They are coming from a great run in recent matches and everybody knows he’s a really great coach,”
“We know about their quality and I was really happy to work with him because he’s a really hard working guy. He really wanted to coach us and really wanted to study about football.
“I think he will bring good things for Arsenal, which is a really huge and important club here in England. I wish him luck.”
Very sweet. We are starting to play better football. It’s going to be interesting to see what the reaction of the team is after the break. We have some tough games coming up, so I’m hoping it’s a positive one.
Our first game back is going to be against Bournemouth away. Always a tough game, Eddie Howe is having a great start to the season and his side look like they’ve made strides this summer. They’re only 4 points behind us, which is staggering considering how small a club they are. We’ll have to be on our toes. We then take on Vorskla, followed by 3 really tough games against Spurs, United (A) and Huddersfield. The first two really could make or break our December. They’re certainly tone-setters for what usually is a make or break month, particularly for title chasers (we can dream).
That’s why it’s imperative we land a good result against Bournemouth. They’re not an easy side and the players will certainly feel good if they make something positive happen in that game. I obviously love playing Spurs, but the game is always a toss of a coin. The one I’m most looking forward to is United away. That’s where we’ll find out how far we’ve come. Can our new manager motivate his players to take down a cunning manager who knows how to shithouse?
The rest of our December is fairly straightforward. The smaller clubs generally struggle because they don’t have the squads to deal with the rapid-fire games. I can’t see too many of them seeing us an opp for points like they may have last season. Our big one in the fixture crunch is Liverpool on the 29th of December, nestled between Brighton (before) away and Fulham at home (after). That really is going to be an exciting game, and Emery is going to have to be very clever about how he rests and rotates. We’ll need fire in our legs.
Arsenal are being linked to Christian Pavon, Raul is pushing Boca for a deal apparently.
Right, that’s me done. It’s going to be a struggle this week for content as there’s not a lot going on, but bear with me.
SEE YOU IN THE COMMENTS. x
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Surprised no mention of England’s performance yesterday. I for one am really enjoying this new Nations Cup thing – that match yesterday was excellent, and it made a huge difference that it wasn’t just a friendly. It might not be the Euros or World Cup but getting to the semis of another tournament that has big names in it is a nice way to round off a good year for the national team. Onwards and upwards!
Do you know we have the same points as Barcelona after the same number of games. Yet we occupy 5th place in the EPl while Barca lead La liga. That is weird for the supposed best league(EPL) in the world.
Yes we have got some very tough games coming up. If we get 4 points out of both Spurs and Man Utd or at least avoid defeat I will be more than happy. That alone will show progress. Let’s be clear Arsenal are by no stretch of the imagine the finished article. We know it. What is important at this state of play is that the club are DIFFICULT TO BEAT in those games where we expected to be rolled over under Wenger. This weekend we learned more about what has probably occurred with Ramsey. Emery does not consider him… Read more »
We desperately need 2 top wide players.
Not sure Pavon is the right one though. I hope this is a nothing rumour.
We are the only top team in the PL that doesnt have a top wide player.
Hazard has scored 7 goals, Mane & Salah 6 each, Martial 6, Sterling 6 – we have absolute shit like Mykhitaryan, Iwobi and Welbeck.
In fact, not one of our wide options even likes playing wide. Its just a collection of central AMs and strikers playing out of position.
gambon Yes there are positions in our team/squad, which need strengthening. We know it, but the club needs to plan properly and not just go into market and spend money for sake of it. Wing is obviously one position where we need to recruit. However, you need to factor in that Reiss Nelson is already on books. The question is whether he is good enough to start in the team. If he is then we are saving a chunk of money in transfer market. If not are we recruiting a genuine world class player and spending at least £50-60 million… Read more »
Bournemouth away always gets me giddy. It’s a fixture I’m always nervous about.
I hope we win because I don’t want another draw as it’s getting too much.
Not entirely enthused about Pavon.
A-B+ winger will do for me with a lil experience in Europe.
From previous post.
The “Xhaka” talk has become rather boring.
No domestic Football, Englands international team flourishing and all we do is talk about GX.
What about Simon Jordan and Gareth Southgate taking over the Brexit negotiations? Far more interesting.
As for my own POV, Xhaka is doing far better under Emery than he ever did under our predecessor.
Patience is the virtue.
DM
Agreed. A great year for England.
Arise Sir Gareth.
A new Arsenal and a new England.
What could be better?
After the international break, Xhaka will be too tired to make anything good…
(lol)
Major_Jeneral
Barcelona would find the EPL a little bit more intense and far far more difficult.
Sorry but I still cannot get enthusiastic about international football even though it has been revamped. I honestly wouldn’t care if it disappeared over night.
Chris
All to his own.
Can honestly say though that because of Southgate, international games have become watchable. Infact, I would go as far as to say that the nation now has pride in England for the first time since 1990.
Some would say 1966.
ES
With regards Ramsey, it’s a no brainer.
Graham “As for my own POV, Xhaka is doing far better under Emery than he ever did under our predecessor.” Why do you think that xhaka is perceived to be doing far better Graham…could it be ,as I have pointed out for the last few years , that playing alongside Ramsey in a 2 man midfield any player would struggle to impose himself . The one big positive from Emery so far is that he recognised after a few games that Ramsey is a very limited player who is overrated and starting him was detrimental to the performance of the… Read more »
Wait, isn’t Iwobi a wide player? Why would we need two new first-XI wide players when we have Iwobi?
I was told I was wrong to say he lacked the quality to be a top-class, first-XI player for us. Sounds like others agree with me.
Maybe we could hear from the Iwobi-is-first-XI-quality crowd?
What do people think: will or should Iwobi be in the first XI next season?
Bamford 10
Iwobi is a utility player. Moreover he is currently a member of squad and not realistically a starting X1 winger.
We know that you do not like him, but you need to be realistic. Not every player on our books needs to be world class. Iwobi is a reasonable standard bench player and he has performed adequately in that role.
Moreover he is “Home Grown” and I suspect his wages are fairly modest compared with many other players on our books.
Frankly he is good value for money.
Bamford
The “Iwobi is first team material” crowd are the same people that think every player is amazing, but cant explain why we finished nearly 40 points off the top last season.
He’s clearly an extremely average player. Possibly not even good enough for the bench.
When Liverpool can have Shaqiri on the bench, Man City have Sane, and we have Iwobi…..how are we really going to compete?
Everyone from the owner to the manager to the fans have been utterly deluded in recent years.
Everyone from the owner to the manager to the fans have been utterly deluded in recent years.
Considering you are high flyer who retire early and now spends most of his weekends in Vegas, why not buy the club and show all the deluded folks listed above how its done??
NO? Can’t afford it i hear??… Back in your box then, let the one who can afford it decide how he runs his business
Why are Nigerians so angry?
Why are Nigerians so angry?
Ever been here??
Maybe you need to see a professinal?
You seem to spend all day every day on here jumping on ANYONE who says something you dont agree with.
You seem to spend all day every day on here jumping on ANYONE who says something you dont agree with.
Say’s the man who called an entire fan base delusional because some acknowledge that a kid from the academy is doing well in the first team
Personally I have never seen anyone on here seriously suggest that Iwobi is anything more than a squad player. And that’s it really. Bamford is at this point is arguing with himself about a topic in his own head. Really he’s butthurt over a squad player getting more game time than Ramsey.
Gambon would you be happy with Pepe? I feel like eventually we’ll be bringing in two but imagine just the one this January
Receding
The delusional bit is not being happy that a young player is playing better; the delusional bit is thinking he is therefore good enough to be a top-class, first-XI player. One can do the former without doing the latter.
Iwobi isn’t even a wide player, he is just being used there. I admit i was very wrong during the summer when i argued we did not need a wide player, so so wrong.
Shaqiri moving to Liverpool, we should have looked into that at 7 odd million.
Lille won’t let Pepe go this winter guys.
Bamford not all members of a 25 man squad have to be “top class”
Marko I think Pepe is one of the better options. There are some top class wide players out there, but most are already at big clubs. I would like t see us sign one from: Dembele Martial Sancho Pepe Lozano Probably in that order as well. Also maybe a younger, up and coming player. I think we nearly signed Sancho, that was a big miss. The way Emery plays, he likes his full backs to create the width, so we’re probably after more “half space” players than true wingers. As a result, Pepe will undoubtedly be on our radar. The… Read more »
Marko You are so weird, mate. One, if everyone agrees that Iwobi is nothing more than a squad player, then why was I abused savagely for saying just this? Why is someone at the end of the last post saying he thinks I’m “wrong” re Iwobi? I’ll tell you why: because some people think Iwobi is or can be more than simply a squad player. Two, my opinion of Iwobi has absolutely nothing to do with Aaron Ramsey. Nothing. I literally couldn’t care less about Ramsey and I long ago moved on from that argument. I was never even a… Read more »
I was banging the Shaqiri drum pretty hard in the summer. He was a no brainer and probably would have picked our offer because he would have been a starter for us. “raptora May 31, 2018 15:35:12 You know what I’d do? Sell Ramsey for 50m to whoever wants him and is willing to pay 50m at all?!?!?! then buy Shaqiri for ~20m. Let’s make a whole starting 11 of eastern europeans. Joke aside you get at worse a player of similar quality even though I like Ramsey, I think Shaqiri is better than him and he’s looking for a… Read more »
Bamford
Shaqiri was tremendous for the Swiss vs Belgium yesterday. Second best performance this season. Only Messi against the Spuds was better.
Iwobi is a squad player at the moment. He’s having to play in a more structured framework under Emery. He’s best suited in being the link between the central midfield an final third. Because of Mkhitaryan’s up and down form, along with Danny’s injury and Aubameyang on one flank, he’ll get plenty of starts since he’s the one of the few on the ball players who can play wide.
Marko, **Personally I have never seen anyone on here seriously suggest that Iwobi is anything more than a squad player. And that’s it really. Bamford is at this point is arguing with himself about a topic in his own head. Really he’s butthurt over a squad player getting more game time than Ramsey.** I reposted it so Bamford wont miss it. He would ascribe an ulterior motive based on ancestry if I made the same point. Bamford, All we’ve ever said was that Iwobi has improved and is doing well enough when called upon to feature. He’s done better that… Read more »
One, if everyone agrees that Iwobi is nothing more than a squad player, then why was I abused savagely for saying just this? First off savagely abused I doubt it. Secondly I assume it’s because you’re being an obnoxious ass when it comes to Iwobi. It was never about him being world class or good enough to start long term for us or anything like that no matter how much you tried to make it about that. Instead it was people giving him a little bit of praise for improving and you having a bee in your bonet about it… Read more »
Dissenter
Do I really need to go back and dig up the record on this point? You and others said I was wrong to say Iwobi lacked quality and was only a squad player, and you added that you saw him doing “spectacular” things in the future. Now you agree that he is nothing more than a squad player? This is hilarious.
Not sure what you call ranking a midfielder as one of the best 6 in world football is, but I’d say that’s rating them fairly highly. Top tier, even.
Pierre
Too much waffle for my liking.
Why make it so complicated?
Top 33 players in the world yet not rated highly
You actually made up a fake ranking system just so you can rate him highly
Pierre
Sorry, forgot you play golf.
Marko Actually, it’s yet another example of you not being able to track discussions or remember what various posters have said on various points very well. I was a Ramsey critic here years ago, long before it became fashionable to criticize him. My defense of Ramsey last summer and early this season had nothing to do with my being a big fan of his and everything to do with the over-the-top criticism that was being leveled at him. My point was always simply that he was a better footballer than his critics here were saying, that he was a better… Read more »
My point was always simply that he was a better footballer than his critics here were saying, that he was a better footballer than a Xhaka, I know with you it’s all about athleticism, and even at that Xhaka is a more robust player than Ramsey,but i fail to see how Ramsey is a better footballer than Xhaka. He does not have Xhaka’s range of passing nor can he run a game, this is a player who struggled to keep a midfield ticking against Sporting and Blackpool. Scoring hollywood goals does not make him a better footballer. A new manager… Read more »
@Jamie, someone rated Ramsey as a “top tier” or a top six in the world midfielder?? Are you absolutely sure someone said that???
Receding
Well, one, “rating a player highly” — and even this wouldn’t be an accurate description of my assessment of Ramsey — and being “a big fan” of said player are two completely different things.
Two, what I said about Ramsey was that in form he is a top-class player, the kind of player who could make, not a first world XI or a second world XI, but a third world XI. There is nothing “fake” about such a rating system. It was simply a way of saying how much quality I think this particular player has.
Jamie
I never said he was top six in the world. That was your own bogus invention.
Is Ramsey a better footballer that Xhaka?
Honestly, this is a question that would have sounded crazy last season, now it’s not too far out.
@Jamie, someone rated Ramsey as a “top tier” or a top six in the world midfielder?? Are you absolutely sure someone said that???
Bamford said that
Ramsey will make the third of a world best 11, meaning that if all three teams play two man in midfield, Ramsey can be classed as a top 6 midfielder in the world.
Culled from the book Understanding the game by Bamford
Receding – It was suggested that Ramsey would slot into the World 33 (the third World 11 squad), which ranks him as one of the top 6!! central midfielders in world football by my count (2 CMs for each World 11, 6 CMs total for all three squads). All the other positions in the world 33 are irrelevant, as only the CM role applies to him, unless someone wants to introduce the notion that Ramsey would make the World 33 as a keeper.. Ramsey top 6 CMs in the world based on the entirety of his 10 years at Arsenal?… Read more »
Receding –
Beat me to it.
“Why are Nigerians so angry?”
I’m not angry Gambon.
“Wait, isn’t Iwobi a wide player?”
Iwobi is as much a wide player as Aubermayang.
Is Ramsey a better footballer that Xhaka?
Both are footballers with limitations.
Not great not bad either. Both can do a job if you are willing to accept they will both let you down at some point. Not even similar players if we are being honest so don’t get why Bamford sees the need to compare them
@ Azed do u stay in Nigeria??
Receding Ramsey has been out of form for a little while, so I guess I can’t blame you for thinking Xhaka is the better footballer. I personally don’t think the two are even close, though. Re-watch that ten minute highlight video of Ramsey’s passing that Paulinho posted a little while back. It might refresh your memory: in form, Ramsey is a way, way better footballer than Granit Xhaka. Whatever Ramsey’s failings — and I have never denied he has them — he has at times been widely regarded as one of the best midfielders in the world, a player who… Read more »
I personally don’t think the two are even close, though. Re-watch that ten minute highlight video of Ramsey’s passing that Paulinho posted a little while back. It might refresh your memory: in form, Ramsey is a way, way better footballer than Granit Xhaka
You lost me at Paulinho
he has at times been widely regarded as one of the best midfielders in the world
Never happened
Unless of course you are now accepting Wenger’s ratings as gospel, in which case all our players are world class and we cannot find better anywhere in the world
Ramsey may never play to that level again, but that he has played to that level in the past is a plain and undeniable matter of fact.
Why??
He is 28, this should be his peek
What’s holding him back??
@Receding
No anymore. I left Nigeria last year.
I’d rather not get into all your waffle Bamford but suffice to say you were a fan of Ramsey a big one in fact these last couple years but now you’ve tucked your tail between your legs and tried to rewrite history in a really embarrassing way because everyone and I mean everyone has seen you rate and gush over Ramsey time and time again.
Jamie Yeah, that’s not how it works, guy. One, a top XI would have at least three central midfielders in it. Two, to say he could make a top XXXIII isn’t to say he was the 7th, 8th or 9th best central midfielder in the world at that time, but that he was more or less as good as those players. Three, I said this was when Ramsey is in form. So again, my claim was that in form Ramsey would not be out of place in a World XXXIII, i.e., not out of place among the 7th, 8th and… Read more »
No, Marko, you just can’t deal with nuance or complexity. Not that we’re talking about a huge amount of complexity or nuance here, but it is apparently too much for you all the same.
Yeah, that’s not how it works, guy. One, a top XI would have at least three central midfielders in it.
Says who?
or is this just another one of your convenient facts that somehow proves you were right and “everybody” agrees with you
No anymore. I left Nigeria last year.
Well azed permit me to inform you that we are indeed quite angry over here
Like they say in the streets, boys are not smiling
he has at times been widely regarded as one of the best midfielders in the world, a player who could play for a Barcelona or a PSG…Ramsey may never play to that level again, but that he has played to that level in the past is a plain and undeniable matter of fact. Are you sure you’re not a big fan of Ramsey? I mean are you really sure. By the way never been one of the best midfielders in the world never ever come close. Couldn’t play for PSG or Barcelona either. Considering those teams over the last few… Read more »
Receding
“Never happened.”
Actually, that Barcelona were interested in Ramsey — and willing to pay upwards of £40m for him — was a matter of open public discussion for more than a year in 2015-16.
Do you follow Arsenal / world football?
“Aaron Ramsey admits that interest from Barcelona is ‘flattering'”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11761964/Aaron-Ramsey-admits-that-interest-from-Barcelona-is-flattering-and-would-one-day-like-to-follow-Bale-to-Spain.html
“My defense of Ramsey last summer and early this season had nothing to do with my being a big fan of his and everything to do with the over-the-top criticism that was being leveled at him.“ Curiously you don’t seem sympathetic to others when they have defended Wenger in the past from over-the-the top criticism, Xhaka the same… Odd that, don’t you think? Or is it you simply aiming to shape previous pov’s that haven’t aged well? I seem to recall on more than one occasion you sniping at posters on here, myself included, that our “hero” Wenger is this… Read more »
Hold the phone, Paulinho agrees. Case closed.
“Actually, that Barcelona were interested in Ramsey — and willing to pay upwards of £40m for him — was a matter of open public discussion for more than a year in 2015-16.”
Bam!!!!!!!! 🙂
Now you’re pulling out agent-generated made up tabloid stories to back up you Ramsey love.
“Actually, that Barcelona were interested in Ramsey — and willing to pay upwards of £40m for him — was a matter of open public discussion for more than a year in 2015-16.”
Bam!!!!!!!! 🙂
Now you’re pulling out agent-generated made up tabloid stories to back up your Ramsey love.
No, Marko, you just can’t deal with nuance or complexity. Not that we’re talking about a huge amount of complexity or nuance here, but it is apparently too much for you all the same.
Nah can’t deal with shameless liars and bullshitters who act like they’re football sages. Time and time again you show yourself up and then change the narrative to make it seem like you didn’t.
That should have posted just once.
Receding
Given that I was the one coming up with these world XI’s, I think I get to say how many central midfielders I was picturing them having. And I was picturing them with three CMs. And btw, the last two World XI’s have had three CMs, so I am right to think that this would be the default or assumed set-up for such a selection.
I love seeing Bamford go. He loves being right. lol.
Nobody said iwobi is first team player. What people said is that he has improved a lot and if he keeps it going, he COULD be a spectacular player. He has all the tools. I wonder what was so hard for you to understand.
Everybody here wants atleast 2 wingers but are realistic that we might get 1. Trust Bamford to make a mockery of himself always.
Why is LeGrove only getting 79 comments?
Where’s the controversy?
Is everyone bored of Arsenal?
Given that I was the one coming up with these world XI’s, I think I get to say how many central midfielders I was picturing them having. And I was picturing them with three CMs. And btw, the last two World XI’s have had three CMs, so I am right to think that this would be the default or assumed set-up for such a selection. Yes Bamford …you are right You are always right Out on interest how many times do you say “i am right” in a face to face conversation?? And how many pinches have you received as… Read more »
Out of interest how many times do you say “i am right” in a face to face conversation?? And how many punches have you received as a consequence
Fixed it..sorry for the typo. Multitasking
Bamford i will send you are Christmas card with the inscription “Never stop being right” because i have decided trying to change you is hopeless
Actually, that Barcelona were interested in Ramsey — and willing to pay upwards of £40m for him — was a matter of open public discussion for more than a year in 2015-16.
Weird how that summer they went from being interested in world class midfielder Aaron Ramsey but landed on Arda Turan and Alex Vidal for over 50 million. Weird
ok, 3 CMs each team. That’s top10 CMs in the world? lmao.
“When in form”? When Almuinia was in form he almost gained an England cap. When Giroud was in form he scored 14 goals in 9 games. When Jenkinson was in form he got one England cap and a 5 year Arsenal contract. Did it change any of the players quality? They are reverted to type.
Charlie You and I don’t agree about Wenger, so why would we agree on what was over-the-top or not over-the-top criticism of the man? We wouldn’t. You think it was over-the-top to say that he was a bad tactician. I think this is absolutely correct, as do most people here. So why would I push back against such criticism? Because YOU think it’s over-the-top? No. I make arguments based on what I think, not based on what you think, guy. Two, please tell me how I have revised my take on Iwobi. And please paste in the comments where I… Read more »
Xhaka getting discussed was dubbed boring and tedious, but here the blog is stinking with the must of Banford as he goes on another attention seeking rendition of “I was right….look at me (…and ask Paulinho)”.
“Actually, that Barcelona were interested in Ramsey ”
Barcelona bought Song.
Barcelona bought that Ukrainian defender (Chy……)
Vermaelen is still on the books of Barcelona.
Barcelona being interested in a player is not necessarily a sign of quality.
Weird how that summer they went from being interested in world class midfielder Aaron Ramsey but landed on Arda Turan and Alex Vidal for over 50 million. Weird
he was obviously too good for them, He gave Paulinho a call and was advised against going anywhere near the frauds Messrs. Messi, Busquets and Rakitic..they will pollute his football with their predictability
Charlie
Actually, it’s you and your ilk who are making it about me. I’m just trying to discuss the players in question.
Bamford thinks he’s the only one that understands written English here. LMAO.
Banford Except you’re not simply just posting your opinion on a player, you’re revising previous positions and arguing against others who have noted you’ve done exactly that. Then it spirals into you labelling and criticising various posters along the way with your typically arrogant tone. Marko, Receding, Jamie, now myself getting the “guy” treatment. Must be another case of that “savage abuse” you seem to get so frequently right? That’s the only explanation clearly. Not your argumentative and pompous conversational style with anyone who disagrees with you, or calls your bluff on previous comments. No, it’s the victim thing toward… Read more »
Charlie
Again, please tell us how I have revised my opinion of Iwobi.
Azed
Right, but Receding was denying that Ramsey had ever been talked about or thought of as that caliber of player. He was. Whether he should have been talked about or thought of as that caliber of player is a different question.
Again, please tell us how I have revised my opinion of Iwobi.
Changed the narrative really. It’s never been about him being world class or good enough to start but you made it about that after he was getting some praise for improving. And you’ve kept it up. Now it’s I’ve never really been a big fan of Ramsey but you’re arguing he’s one of the best midfielders in the world. You’re a joker mate…or guy
Again, please tell us how I have revised my opinion of Iwobi.
Again, please tell me how I have revised my opinion of Iwobi.
Fixed it for you
No One Cares!!!!
Marko
No, you’re just getting everything wrong again.
Charlie
Many here said that for all intents and purposes, Wenger didn’t do tactics.
Was this over-the-top criticism, in your opinion?
No, you’re just getting everything wrong again.
I’m right everyone else is wrong is that it? Well enjoy thinking your right and being utterly oblivious to all things football
“Again, please tell us how I have revised my opinion of Iwobi.“ Who is us? You and Paulinho? You changed tact as Marko pointed out, originally it was Iwobi is no better, just runs around more and is more hardworking. Now it’s evolved into him being an adequate squad player when you were challenged on his input being much more than just some added sprints. You have a knack for augmenting previous engagement, it’s all aimed at keeping your view as ‘the truth’. It’s why you went quiet on Xhaka for the past couple of months until a daft dummy… Read more »
Listen, I’m glad that everyone here now agrees that Iwobi lacks quality and is nothing more than a hard-working squad player. When I said this a month or so back, I got all kinds of shit for it.
I’m just going to leave it there, though, as dealing with some of the other nonsense being said above is more of a headache than it’s worth.
Most people on here won’t pick up on these types of comments, but the regular viewers will whether they comment on it or not.
Nah he’s pretty notorious for it
Listen, I’m glad that everyone here now agrees that Iwobi lacks quality and is nothing more than a hard-working squad player. When I said this a month or so back, I got all kinds of shit for it.
No one remotely agrees he lacks quality and yes you deserve everything you get on here for the simple fact you are a horrible excuse for a human
Iwobi doesn’t lack quality.
With him it’s all down to belief and self-confidence.
Trust in Emery.
“Listen, I’m glad that everyone here now agrees that Iwobi lacks quality and is nothing more than a hard-working squad player. ”
Iwobi at 23 is better than what Drogba was at 23. Like everyone has said, Iwobi is improving and as far as he keeps his head down and works on his game, he has a chance.