So it appears the summer transfer dealings are coming to a close. Arsenal are welcoming medicals for Matteo Guendouzi and Lucas Torreira. That’s two DMs, one for now, with the other pegged for future greatness. Here’s a little snippet about the Frenchman, who comes with discipline issues.
On the pitch, Guendouzi’s lanky frame and floppy hairstyle have drawn comparisons to Adrien Rabiot, and while that seems overly simplistic, there are some similarities to the two. Not really comfortable as a six, but not so skilful on the ball or direct enough to be used as a relayeur, Guendouzi instead relies on a lovely range of passing to affect play. At Lorient, this often manifested itself as balls played out to the flanks, or over the top, allowing him to play almost as a regista, dictating play on the counter whilst another midfielder retained the responsibility of breaking up the opposition’s play.
Despite not having the dribbling acumen of Rabiot, Guendouzi has shown flashes of realizing how to use his frame when in possession. Not particularly quick, he instead relies on a wiry strength to retain possession, using his long limbs to shield against opponents. That said, this same lanky aspect of his build can make him a bit lazy or prone to fouling when defending, as he is wont to leave a foot in or be somewhat lazy with his positioning in hoping to rely on his size, exemplified by a horror challenge against Auxerre last season. Too, while his inventiveness in terms of a range of passing is impressive, he can also be overly ambitious or seem to lack much in the way of a rapport with his teammates.
What a summer.
Most of the issues appear to have been addressed outside the new contract we’re hoping will head the way of Aaron Ramsey.
In 6 months, we’ve mostly rebuilt the core of the squad.
We’ve ripped out a fair chunk of the dross.
We’ve seen an elevation of some very promising young talents.
We’ve reshaped the coaching staff.
We’ve changed the manager.
We’re as ready as we’ve ever been to tackle the new season.
Everyone lands a fresh chance. Duff players might come good, key players might be relegated to the bench, the old style will certainly be canned, a new era for Arsenal is taking shape.
I’m not dreading the start of the new season. No one is battling to justify why we’ve only signed a Costa Rican 19 year old with a month until the start of the new season. No one is wondering why our manager is commentating at the World Cup. No one is under any confusion about what the new regime is trying to do the squad.
You don’t need to pick through a wreckage to retrofit a positive spin.
It feels good. From a writing perspective, it’s hard to know where to head. We’re all buckling up for a ride, unsure of the destination for once.
Bernd Leno has arrived at Colney, the club have announced he’ll be taking over the famous number 19 shirt for the new season. In his Arsenal.com interview, it’s clear his English is up to scratch, he also knows a lot about the club. He mentioned Thierry Henry, Highbury, and Alex Hleb who used to pay for Stuttgart.
I’m very happy we’ve managed to bring in a keeper. He’s come with quite a hefty price tag for a keeper many said lost his way last season, but hopefully there’s a plan for him and we’ve brought him in because of specific skills we hope to bake into the way we play. My biggest gripe about Petr Cech is his lack of ability to play with intelligence out the back. The hoof has been the standard distribution method for years. To have a keeper that can break the lines with clever passing will add a different dimension to our game, it’ll also be good to have someone who can act as an auxiliary sweeper when needed.
Outside that, we need a keeper who can pull off stunning saves. We haven’t had a keeper who can do miraculous things since Fabianski. The Polish keeper had that part of his game sussed, just a shame that’d come with horrendous errors. He was a good keeper though, gone too early in my opinion. But hey, I’ll take a steely German manning the goal for the foreseeable.
Jack Wilshere made it official and joined West Ham. The most predictable transfer of the summer. Content here.
I think that’s about all I have for the day?
ENGLAND on Wednesday. On that, can you imagine being the guy that got naked in the bar and has a snap of his arse flying around the world on a Monday morning? How embarrassing. I’m dying just typing this. That is why I NEVER get naked at the pub, even after a strong win.
No…… Creating 7 chances v s korea is dreadful…
No goals no assists and two defeats in the games he played in. Pretty good alright
Number 1 he has to be a good humanitarian.
2, I think lot’s of cuddles for supporters who are cold.
3, maybe he can help direct traffic after the match. That would be a big help cos getting out of London can be a real bitch
4, probably could do with some more homeless shelters in the area
5,I guess as long as he does all of the above he doesn’t have to do anything but just finish top 4 for 9 years.trophies don’t matter. Am I right
Stop trying to make yourself sound dim.. I’m sure it’s just an act….
If he had created 2 chances and the strikers took those chances would that mean he had a great game.. Of course not.
“What would be your definition of success for the new gaffer?”
Being a good humanitarian ??
I don’t want the manager to compete with Mother ‘bloody’ Teresa for a sainthood – I want him to win football matches.
I couldn’t give a shit if he saved the kids in a cave, achieved peace in the Middle East and invented a machine that removed all plastic from the oceans. I want him to win football matches.
Your Comment Here
Clearly those 7 chances created weren’t all that good otherwise you’d imagine one would have been scored. It’s a pointless stat really. I mean Mesut created just a couple more chances than Pascal Gross last season and he’s not nearly considered the best number 10 in the world.
Though firmly in the he had to go camp,can I just remind people that Arsenal were never really a team that contended for the title. This 14 years since we last won it,I had to wait 18 years to see a GG team achieve the feat. And that was something I never thought possible watching arsenal through the mid 70’s through to that day in May. Before then it was one FA cup win to shout about. We were spoilt rotten in Arsene’s first decade,which ultimately done for the fella as the bench mark he set,he could not repeat,for the… Read more »
And a league cup,sorry forgot that,how can you forget doing the scousers in that decade they dominated.
Wenger certainly upheld humanitarian values, he kept on a bunch of under-performing yes men around him on big salaries.
Few others would have been so benevolent to the likes of Gerry Peyton and Tony Colbert.
I admire his tolerance for his mates who run a slave state where workers die building stadia. Then, there is his stated admiration for that well known humanitarian, Stan Kroenke.
The club clearly rate humanitarian values having kept Wenger for so long, I am sure they are scouting the next Mother Teresa should Unai Emery fail.
pessimistic pat
8. they have to talk about values.
Coach 15
Correct
We also went 18 years without a title from 1953-71 so going by that reckoning put a bet on it being 2022 before we win it again.
I believe that following the departure of Wenger the club’s new management have put together a squad of players who will be hopefully “competitive” next season. I don’t think that we are at the point where we will win the League Title next season, but I would hope that we could manage a top 4 finish and therefore qualify for Champions League. Arsenal’s major difficulty will be that we are competing in Europa League on Thursdays and the EPL on Sundays. That leaves very little recovery time and the scheduling of matches by Sky and BT last season did not… Read more »
Marko
“Clearly those 7 chances created weren’t all that good otherwise you’d imagine one would have been scored”
Still acting dim.
Hummels header from 3 yards out was probably the easiest of the lot.
correction Welbeck’s contract expires June 2019.
““A manager who has always upheld humanitarian values over personal gains…”
Did Wenger manage at Arsenal for free? Wasn’t he paid a salary in the millions a year?
Give it a rest.
As for gentlemanly compassion? Wenger is no Southgate! 😉
#GarethSouthgatewould
Wenger’s failings have been well recorded over several years and the club’s mistake was to hold onto him well beyond his sell by date.
No-one disputes that he was a well respected manager for much of his career,
but he did not merit staying at the club for over 20 years.
That was unhealthy and led to the club’s decline in recent times.
https://www.football365.com/news/from-chaos-to-clarity-arsenal-crack-the-transfer-puzzle
The problem with the chance created star is that the following all count as the same thing
a 2 yard pass to an open goal,
a 60 yard punt upfield leading to a header,
a square midfield pass 30 yards out to a team mate who has a shot on target,
and a perfectly weighted through ball that splits the defence in two leading to a shot.
Practically useless when determining contribution in any specific way unless you watch the match back through again with stats and notes available.
Mother Wengeresa….
lol
Pessimistic
It’s the same criteria for every other player in the league so if özil gets an assist for a 2 yard pass so can eriksen or debruyne and they do.
Martin Luther Wenger….
Frank
Arsene Lincoln. helped free Kim badback from a sad life in the second division…
#whatwouldsouthgatedo
Pessimistic Some say a cross into the box shouldn’t be counted as an assist but I disagree. If Bellerin crossed the ball ten times into the box it would maybe find it’s target 1/2 times. If Trippier crosses ten times into the box it would be 5/6 times so why shouldn’t someone who is good at his trade be recognised. It’s the same for a 5 yard pass for an assist… Sometimes the hardest thing for a player to do is to play the simple ball with the correct pace..that’s what makes a great player. Look at brazil’s 1970 team… Read more »
I know that. My point is that the chance created stat is flawed in my opinion. I rate ozil as a creative player,but he has a lot to prove this year. Your argument that money doesn’t matter I thought was wrong yesterday. If one player in a squad uses up vast wage resources then it’s to be expected that they will come under closer scrutiny. Personally I think aubameyang could work great with ozil,but as none of us have any idea how we’ll set up yet this year it’s all guesswork. what isn’t guesswork is that if ozil doesn’t contribute… Read more »
Any news on Reiss Nelson? Has he signed his new contract yet?
“Any news on Reiss Nelson? Has he signed his new contract yet?”
I must confess i do not understand the hype.
Is he a winger?? A number 10?? What exactly are his strengths supposed to be??
Every time i have seen him play i have been left scratching my head. He is probably ripping it up with the U23’s but so was Jay Emmanuel Thomas and Sanchez Watt not to forget Arturo Lupoli
Gilles Favard, who has worked as an advisor at Nantes and Bordeaux, claims Wenger paid a high price for missing out on the 27-year-old.
“‘People around this table know how profound my respect is for Arsene Wenger, but N’Golo Kante participated in the retirement of Arsene Wenger,’ Favard told L’Équipe du Soir. ‘The day that Wenger decided not sign Kante, he committed career suicide
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/10/ngolo-kante-participated-arsene-wengers-resignation-arsenal-claims-french-pundit
Receding
Good poitnanoutmReiss Nelson
The other day, “guns of Hackney “ was asking that we nit sign a winger and use Reiss Nelson in that position.
He has zero goals and zero assists in senior competitive games yet people can’t stop the hype.
I find him underwhelming so far. Someone wake me up when he’s actually done something.
So here’s what I have learnt.
1. Le-Grove is majorly an anti-Wenger forum
2. Then an anti-ozil
3. Then anti-arsenal
4. Pro whatever the other top 4 or 5 clubs are doing.
In that particular order
@ Dissenter
He has not even completed a take on in a senior competitive appearance , he feints to dribble then turns around and passes the ball backwards. I just don’t understand the hype. Loan him out to the championship, i am pretty sure no premiership team will touch him, let him go and play there week in week out
Sanmi –
Examples of this blog being anti-Arsenal?
‘So here’s what I have learnt. 1. Le-Grove is majorly an anti-Wenger forum 2. Then an anti-ozil 3. Then anti-arsenal 4. Pro whatever the other top 4 or 5 clubs are doing. In that particular order’ If you went to the Wenger apologist school of selective learning, probably. You must have selectively and quite by accident not read the praise for Emery, praise for Carcedo and his coaches, praise for the signings, praise for Gazidis etc Because of course none of that fits with the Wenger apologist narrative that there was nothing wrong with Wenger, Ozil etc and that all… Read more »
Reiss Nelson has serious ability.
He was voted the best U23 league player last season.
He has also scored 13 in 23 for England youth teams.
We have to give him opportunities, otherwise we may as well just shut down the academy.
The problem is Wenger completely lost it in recent years, and didnt know how to manage him,
He played him mainly at right wing back, which is ridiculous.
Nketiah looks a real prospect as well.
Maitland Niles, Mavropanos, Nketiah and Nelson look like the young prospects most likely right now.
3. Then anti-arsenal
4. Pro whatever the other top 4 or 5 clubs are doing.
Care to elaborate, with examples on these ones?
Pessimistic
‘I know that. My point is that the chance created stat is flawed in my opinion.”
Do you think goals scored stat is flawed.
As an example.. Kane could get the golden boot (or whatever they call it) in this world cup due to scoring 3 pens, a deflection off his heel and 2 tap ins (though I thought his header was not as easy as it looked)…
gambon,
Regarding Reiss Nelson, i’ll like to be proven wrong.
It’s just that he has zero assists and goals at the senior level so far.
We have a tendency to hype our youth. He needs to go on loan to the championship or league one to get games.
I’ll reserve the word “serious ability”for players like Ryan Sessegnon who’s the same age as Reiss Nelson.
There’s a first.
Ces Appeal posted a comment without mentioning how much Wenger or özil earn…
Dissenter Nelson is 18, how many goals and assists is an 18 year old supposed to have? Mo Salah scored 4 goals in the Egyptian league at the same age. He was only 17 when the season started. Even to be in the squad at 17 is significant. He also played almost all his minutes at right wing back due to the clueless Wenger, who got sacked you may remember, for being so useless. I would judge Nelson after a number of games in an AM position. He could be the next Gnabry, could be the next Luke Freeman. Ability… Read more »
“We have to give him opportunities, otherwise we may as well just shut down the academy.”
Gnabry was a warning. He was completely misjudged by Wenger, he could have been the winger that was supplying this side. .. and would have cost us nothing.
By the time he started to show his true potential, Wenger was too late and he lost him to the Bundesliga.
Wenger’s declining powers of player potential and ability really cost us millions. He stuck by players that didn’t deserve it and lost players that did.
Oh well, that’s hindsight for you.
Pierre
Well thankfully Wenger earns nothing from Arsenal now.
Earn is a strong word as well, to earn something doesn’t fit, maybe we should start saying what Wenger and Ozil get from Arsenal or are given?
I am enjoying how obsessed with me you’ve become and your raving here this morning. There’s a tiny little club of three or four of you now who just say ridiculous things in support of the man that made you all look like total idiots.
Pierre and Victorious,
Why don’t you start your own Wenger based blog. There is one already running – you would be welcomed with open arms.
http://untold-arsenal.com/
No one is disputing what he has done for the under 23’s.
In the 2004-2005 season Arturo Lupoli had 27 goals in 32 appearances at reserve level too. We all know how that one panned out.
Reiss Nelson has shown absolutely nothing in all the appearances he has made at senior level. No one is saying he should be sold, all i am saying is we should stop planning with him in the first team and rather look for a loan move for him where he actually gets to play
Someone teach those 2 to fuck. They need to F.O.
Rightly said “ Wenger is just a fucking Fraud “.
No wonder those 2 specimens sound like been fucked up by Wenger.
Whew new times with us with ambition not Tro4phy bar of mediocrity. Would not be surprised if we overtake the Alsoran Trophies of the last 22 years in 6 years.
Nketiah can be our answer to Harry Kane. He was born to score. Use him or losehim.
Sell Welbeck, Mustafi, Campbell and Akpom etc and invest that money into two one out and out wingers capable of playing on either flank and we have a good balanced side for the first time since 2008.
Refreshing changes I’m looking forward to:
> tactics/game plan suited to opposition
> substitutions when needed (not just at 70 minutes)
> animated/encouraging manager and coaching staff on touchline
*two not one
Cesc, just write a couple posts mocking and deriding Ramsey. Pierre will then become your new bestie.
Do you think goals scored stat is flawed
Goals scored actually counts for something as does the assist stat count for something. Chances created account for fuck all. If Ozil were to create a thousand chances in the season but ends up with only 4 goals and 8 assists does that mean the googlely eyed fucker had a great season? But he only contributed to 12 goals. It’s a deceptive pointless stats that his fanboys trot out every time he’s criticized for being a moist blanket
the “ITKS” seem to think that we will go after Dembele this window, or Dybala based on some twitter talks. Dembele one seems more believable as we need someone on the flanks.
Dybala, would play in place of Ozil (can’t see this one happening), but that being said – Juve would need to balance books if they manage to get the deal over the line for CR7.
Not sure either would happen, but thats just the pessimist within speaking.
Pierre Above you say “if Ozil had assisted twice against Korea and only created two chances, would he have had a good game? The answer is no.” The answer is probably yes. Unless he had an own goal, some terrible lazy play that allowed the other team chances, gave the ball away a ton, etc. then no. But if everything else was standard and he bagged two assists and the team wins the game, then yes. Do results matter in the work you do? Do you get a pat on the back and a promotion for doing a good job… Read more »
Used to be firmly in the Ozil camp when it came to the Ozil v Erikson debate but 41 goals and 48 assists in 171 games for Spurs for me puts it to bed. Ozil 42 million pounds far more expensive with significantly less goals and only 2 more assists than Erikson. Do the math
Would anyone take Zaha, he’s apparently rejected new terms at CP?
Another difference between the two if Erikson was on the market or nearly ran down his contract you better believe someone would be in for him. Ozil on the other hand ran his contract down to 6 months and not one single club bid for him.
Lots of rumours suddenly that Arsenal are working on one massive signing but there will be a lot of outgoings to fund it, lots of fringe players sold.
Interesting times ahead.
Also, have you ever played competitive sport? I’m sure Ozil himself would feel he had a much better performance with two chances created, two assists, and the team winning compared to 7 chances created.
He might think “well it was a decent effort, I played pretty well, didn’t have any huge fuck ups and thought we had some good play that I was involved in but it wasn’t enough clearly, we didn’t score and are going home.”
Marko
Thanks for that link earlier, it actually confirmed what I was saying regarding özil and Sanchez work rate… Thanks again.
Copied from the link that marko kindly gave us.
” is also an interesting comparison. The Chilean is frequently lauded for his work rate and off-the-ball industry, but the tracking data shows he ran an average of 1.5km less than Ozil per 90 minutes last season. Perhaps Wenger has a point about his body language after all.
im definitely one of the ozil supporters. close control, vision, skill, dribbling, passing. He has it all. Just needs to be more influential like cesc was. Maybe emery can bring it out of him. Cesc played as CM though, and ozil is a CAM. maybe a bit of defending in the opposition half or pick up a tactical yellow card from time to time. But when he and sanchez played, they looked for each other.
Also, I think we should keep Perez this season and sell welbz.
“Ozil on the other hand ran his contract down to 6 months and not one single club bid for him.”
Were these clubs meant to alert you if they bid for him? Are u his agent?? How can you state this as a fact without any proof to back it up.
My issue with you Marko is everything is black or white with you and you present your opinion as if they were facts. You do not like Ozil, every man and his dog knows that by now, no need to go over the top with this smear campaign
How anyone can believe that Mesut Ozil will become a free agent and not a single club will offer him a contract beats me.
It’s actually hate clouding reason.
Cesp Appeal
Hopefully a top class wide player.
Zaha would be a good buy… I reckon he would be £50m+ though. I would imagine CPFC would want a similar fee to Mahrez… and he apparently went for £60m.
I don’t know if the club would have the stomach for it… but we could afford him if we concentrated all our sales from fringe players into one signing.
With the fringe players gone we could afford his wages too without any trouble.
zaha is average but if he’s a freebie, gladly take him…
Gambon
That’s what I’m hoping. It would be the best summer ever and a real statement from Gazidis and everyone else about where they want to take the club.
“Lots of rumours suddenly that Arsenal are working on one massive signing but there will be a lot of outgoings to fund it, lots of fringe players sold.” Better to have one or two great players… rather than 5-6 average players. It was always quantity over quality for Wenger. Season after after season, after when the team fell short again of the title, he would hide behind the size of his squad and proclaim (without a hint of irony) how how he thought we had a big squad, and how we would challenge again for the following year. “Next year”… Read more »
Zaha, imo, was the best player outside the top 6 last year. He already has tremendous power and pace, and is a solidly built winger… he is very direct, loves taking players on and is capable of playing right or left.
A good buy.
“Next year” never came.”
Neither the next level.
Seri apparently has agreed terms with Fulham.
So Seri quits Nice for… Fulham ??
Why not…
“A manager who has always upheld humanitarian values over personal gains”
Yep, too bad he hadn’t been “that” generous to improve his squad.
Or that generous to realize the fans aren’t multi millionaires and deserve better than the sh*t he’s players put up season after season.
Indeed.
Cesc
If that’s correct I can only imagine that Ramsey is on his way.
Marc It could be. Although everything I have seen on that is that if Ramsey went then the club would look to bring in someone like Gomes which is not a massive signing. What I’ve read, whether there’s any truth to it or not, is that we will sell a lot of players to fund the move but more sort of marginal or disposable players like Perez, Welbeck etc. I’ve always thought we have more than the £50 Million people have said but there may also be a thing of if we’re signing a player worth £80 Million or more… Read more »
Victorious
“What would be your definition of success for the new gaffer?”
No more humiliations in Europe and no more thrashings, 8-2, 6-3, 5-1, 6-0.
Leedsgunner
I agree with you that Zaha would be an excellent acquisition. He looks to be a
very gifted winger.
What should also make him interesting is the fact that he has got considerable EPL experience.
The only minus is that Crystal Palace would almost certainly demand inflated
price and there would be a lot of competition for his signature.
I assume our original budget is now spent, which means if we sign an attacking player of real class, it will be funded by sales.
I think we could offload the following (without really missing them)
Ospina
Martinez or Macey
Jenkinson
Mustafi
Elneny
Perez
Welbeck
Campbell
Akpom
I reckon we could get £75m for them, which means we could buy a very good attacking player.
Cesc
It’s hard to say of course Welbeck is also down to a year. We might look to move on Ramsey with no direct replacement and use the money for a wide player. a base of 2 midfielders – new guy + AMN / other new guy / Xhaka with Ozil playing higher up then with Mikki and new winger playing wide.
Anyone on here who sees the Community Shield as being a notch on Wengers belt, clearly has no concept of what competitive football is all about.
What next, our Emirates Cup achievements?
The Community Shield is nothing more than a glorified, non-contact, friendly.
gambon
You’re thinning the squad out too much and would also cause us issues with the home grown quota.
Im not sure there would be much competition for Zaha.
UTD arent going to go there.
Man City have Sterling & Sne, so no chance
Liverpool have literally no need for this type of player
Chelsea have Hazard, but you probably could make a case for it
Spurs were interested before but couldnt get a deal done
So I think Spurs would be the only definite challenger, but who knows what their plans are this summer.
BTW – i dont think we will sign Zaha, just saying im not sure there will be huge interest.
Michael24
The only person in existence who has ever counted the Charity Shield (whatever you call it) as a “trophy” is Mourinho.
For everyone else it’s a pre season match to see any new players and maybe a little bit of bragging rights before the season gets going.
Has Mahrez actually signed for MC.
Seems to have gone very quite.
“I reckon we could get £75m for them, which means we could buy a very good attacking player.”
I’d be surprised if we can get £20m for those..
The only talk out there as to who we’re interested in is Dembele and Dybala and that basically the Ronaldo move will spark a lot of big transfers.
Likely will be Neymar to PSG, some rumours of PSG having an interest in Coutinho which makes sense then, Juventus might have to sell after buying Ronaldo which might mean that Dybala is the one to be sold, if Barcelona go for him then that could mean Dembele moves etc
*Neymar to Madrid
Zaha is an Everton Level football.
Cesc
Dybala to Liverpool keeps going the rounds maybe there’s a bit of agent at play looking to generate interest.
Pierre
I thought i was pretty clear about what i said. Chances created stat isnt entirely useful in determining performance without additional data to help inform it. in my opinion that is.
Marc
Dont be so stupid.
Apart from Ospina, Mustafi, Welbeck and Elneny……every single player in that list was on loan last year.
They have all been replaced:
Ospina – Leno
Mustafi – Sokratis
Elneny – Guendouzi
Welbeck – New attacking signing
As for homegrown, only Welbeck counts.
Marc
I cannot see that.
Fabinho, Keita, Oxlade is their midfield, they’ve got Salah, Firmino, Mane as a front line. Who do they drop? Oxlade and play Dybala behind the front line? Firmino and play him as the ST? They could do those things but it then presents problems to Klopp in terms of squad management.
Interesting though, I don’t know if he has a release clause or what sort of value you would be looking at. In this market with no release clause you must be looking at £100 Million, at least?
I dont like this feeling of mine on Torriera’s deal…hope no hijack on the cards
“Ospina
Martinez or Macey
Jenkinson
Mustafi
Elneny
Perez
Welbeck
Campbell
Akpom”
I would add players like Bielik, Zelalem and Julio Pleguezelo as well.
We should be able to get a £1m for them each?
If we raise £50m for the lot of them AND completely REINVEST the funds by bringing in a quality winger (or two).
I’d rather, we sell czech instead of ospina, or else we will be looking for a good no. 2 next season.. But maybe ospina doesn’t want to be no. 2 so he’ll want to move away… heartbreak for RT…
… I would be pleased. It would be our best window, in well, at least 12 years!
Bamford! Bamford!! Bamford!!!..come on out from early retirement mate.
gambon
I’m not being stupid I’m thinking towards playing a reserve team in the EL. Three outfield players that aren’t “kids” would weaken that significantly. Not saying we shouldn’t look to generate some cash but I think your valuation on some players is a little optimistic and you still need some cover.