That my friends is why Arsene can’t exist at the highest level, and part of the reason he’s off. The club went all out, purchased in some fancy red and silver flags, the fans came with their voices in full flow, but when push came to shove, we were undone by a long ball and another Koscielny big game mistake.
Wenger called the draw the worst result for Arsenal, and he’s not wrong. The only team to beat Atleti at home this season is Chelsea in the Champions League, they’ve kept 10 clean sheets in the last 11 games, and we’ve not been great on our travels this season.
Crazier things have happened, but you can’t help but think we’ve blown our best opportunity. We played seriously well in the first half, we dominated possession, we were ‘almost’ bullying them. Danny Welbeck was quite the scene, pulling defenders out of position, delivering wicked passes, and doing his ‘nearly enough’ thing with a few chances Auba would have buried.
Vrsaljko kind of spoiled the game. He picked up two bookings inside 10 minutes, fouling Wilshere and Lacazette with poor timing. That was never going to work for us, Atleti doubled down on defending, and we couldn’t find a way to make the significant gains we needed to kill the Spanish side.
We did take the lead on 60, Jack Wilshere and Aaron Ramsey had a lovely interchange, Jack looped a cross to the back post, Lacazette was on hand to score another Europa goal. A superb header.
Arsenal couldn’t hold out. Wenger didn’t find the magic to affect the game. He didn’t even think of bringing on some fresh legs to ruffle a tiring 10 man side.
You just knew we weren’t going to hold on. Danny Welbeck needlessly lost the ball deep in Atelti’s half, a hoofed long ball managed to find Griezmann, the Frenchman shrugged off Kos and made it count. A disaster. But ever so typical of Koscielny who has made a habit of dropping clangers in important moments.
It’s incredibly frustrating, part of me felt like we had a real chance yesterday evening. We were the better team, we played the best football, and we created the most chances. The other part of me knows we’ve seen it before. Back when we were only semi shit, Chelsea would let us play our way into a loss. It felt a little like that last night. This comment from Simeone was interesting.
“It’s really hard to play away at Arsenal – an extraordinary stadium, a spectacular coach in the opposite dugout – with 10 men. These Atletico players, the way they played and put up with the pressure was tremendous. The fans brought a positive energy to accompany our passion.
“You guys have no idea how difficult it is to defend. Football is about playing and playing is the fun part, but you’ve got to have balls to defend with 10 men for 80 minutes.”
I’d love to defend like kings and come away from 10 men down with the upper hand.
Is the game over? No. Is it going to be the fight of our lives in the next game? Yes.
What yesterday showed is that we have great players and we can mix with the best. Give the club a world class manager who can instill the right sort of discipline and maybe the hike to the next level won’t be quite so arduous.
As for Wenger, it is what it is. He’s not good enough, we know this. He doesn’t know how to manage a game. He doesn’t have the smarts to see out a result, or jump on it and break its neck. That’s why he’s going, no point in ranting on. Even if he wins the tournament, we know he’s washed up. I’m just glad that whatever happens, it’s over for him.
Also, Atleti weren’t that impressive. They landed the result from a poor mistake. One that we make too often. But the game isn’t dead. We still have something to play for, and on our night, we can do anything.
Fingers crossed for leg 2, #BackDoorTop4 is still on… we’re just going to have to do it the hard way. All we need is one goal, then it’s game on.
See you in Spain…
Gambon, CC & Pierre
I thought that was just an inevitable rumour. Didn’t know that was a genuine Sven signing. Fair enough, then.
No it’s called an opinion mate, don’t care that you disagree but try to respect it you fucking melt. Pot kettle black. I seem to remember making an effort and still get called a pleb and a melt. Look take a step back and look at it from the point of view that rarely do you get teams that don’t make a substitution the whole game especially a big game a semi-final. And secondly and more importantly you get to the last 10 minutes it becomes more important to keep a clean sheet than scoring again. It’s funny but in… Read more »
Sokratis being rumoured.
Not sure how I feel about that.
Sven has come in with stories of how great he is at finding gems, and this would be the third Dortmund-connected 29 year old we will have signed.
If we get 3 seasons out of him at €20m then i guess its good value, but at some point we need to start targeting 20-24 year olds.
Champagne Charlie
April 27, 2018 13:44:13
Think you’re missing the point on this one.
The idea of a substitutions is to inspire a moment of brilliance. In the second half our passage play became predictable and tedious. We were essentially banging a door that wouldn’t open (for the second goal).
Based on what we had to our disposal, the introduction of Iwobi or Kolasinac would’ve changed the dynamic of the game. Remove a midfielder for a more penetrative player.
Marko
I respect opinions even if I disagree with them. But I dont have patience for the silly bollocks stuff you pull that I’ve outed you for time and again.
Same again in your latest post. “But he’s faultless blah blah”….Wenger wasn’t the subject whatsoever, but you couldn’t help yourself.
CC,
“That’s an opinion I disagree with because we were so unbelievably on top in the game.”
For the record, 1-0 with 10 mins to go is not “unbelievable on top” and definitely not at 1-1.
Liverpool at 5-0 with 10 mins to go I would opine is “unbelievably on top”
Sokratis as Kos’ replacement? I see the logic. We’ll need to also rotate in Holding more often as I think he can go on to be a good defender.
It’s a bit like what happened with Juve recently against Madrid. Totally dominant for the majority of the game had two substitutions he could have made but didn’t even though there were like 3 players dead on their feet and he took a risk and it didn’t pay off Madrid scored late. It’s all part of management but when it blows up in your face you’re open to justifiably criticism
Carts
I’m not missing anything, I wouldn’t have made a substitution because none of the options suited what we were up against. That’s my opinion on it, getting a bit irritating to have people who disagree attempt to deconstruct it.
We’re not dealing with fact here, you would’ve changed something, I wouldn’t have. The rest is speculative.
Same again in your latest post. “But he’s faultless blah blah”….Wenger wasn’t the subject whatsoever, but you couldn’t help yourself.
The subject was conceding a goal and substitutions and who makes the substitutions. Also did I insult you?
If Sokratis is one of 2 CBs we bring in then fair enough, if he’s the only one then it’s just the cheap lazy option again.
We’re heading for another costly major rebuild in a couple of years buying all these 30 year olds with no resale value.
UT
I was referring to the performance, in which we were far more dominant than Liverpool were both possession-wise, and territorially than Liverpool were. But by all means twist words and their application
Marko
So we make a substitution and kosielny makes the same mistake and we concede. Who would get the blame for us conceding……I guarantee you and goh and coffeecakes would be on here mouthing it off about Wengers stupid pointless substitution.
So glad you made that point. Say Wenger does his usual sub of bringing on a LB for an attacker and reverts to a back 5 Koscielny has Monreal also back there it might not happen. See by doing something instead of nothing he potentially changes the course of history
CC
This is exactly the platform where posts get deconstructed. This is what drives discourse; Irritation is part and parcel of this bitch.
Not making a change, based on what we were up against was myopically amateurish from Wenger.
Each to their own.
Marko
That’s not what Pierre asked you, he said what if we made the subs you called for and Kos still makes that glaring error in which we concede (makes them all the time so I’m told).
Then where does the blame fall? Can’t be Wenger and his subs, so what’s next in line?
Basically at what point can you simply acknowledge it was a ridiculous error that cost us the result, not lack of subs, Santi warming up prior, the amount of water on the pitch etc.
That’s my opinion on it, getting a bit irritating to have people who disagree attempt to deconstruct it.
Aren’t you doing the exact same thing. We’re disagreeing with you you’re disagreeing with us
Carts
I’m aware, but there’s only so many times you can say ‘this is what I think and why’.
At some point you need to say precisely that, ‘respect it but I disagree’.
Marko
No I’ve spent the last hour defending my opinion because a number of people want to use it to suggest I’m backing Wenger or some other gash. You included.
That’s not what Pierre asked you, he said what if we made the subs you called for and Kos still makes that glaring error in which we concede (makes them all the time so I’m told). Right but if you have three CB’s on the pitch and there’s instructions that it’s 10 minutes to go don’t make unnecessary mistakes or take chances how could the result be the same as making no substitutions and doing nothing? I mean I honestly don’t get It’s reasonable to criticize a manager who makes no substitutions and then concedes a goal late on I… Read more »
It’s funny but it kind of goes back to the arguments of last summer we were having. I was arguing that we needed signings and that the individuals weren’t good enough. You were arguing that with the new formation and instructions it could work. Now I’m saying that if he made a substitution in the final 10 minutes to three CB’s with instructions to not make a mistake and I guess you’re saying what does it matter if Koscielny makes mistakes anyway.
Charlie, do everyone a favour and put a stop to this one man crusade you’re on at the moment. What an absolute bore. Nobody fancied Arsenal against Madrid, true. Why do you think this is? Because of the garbage record Wenger’s teams hold in European knockout ties or against any big teams if we’re being honest. But when circumstances favor an upset and yet you still fail completely to take advantage, its a special sort of failure. And Wenger’s no stranger to this. Remember when all the top teams flopped and the PL title was there for the taking three… Read more »
slightly baffled by this substitutions talk. we had Iwobi & Nketiah on the bench, yeah? like Charlie says, it was attack vs defence for 90% of the game. what are people suggesting, Eddie for Lacazette?
How far have our standards fallen if people believe there is nothing to criticize from that game. Imagine any other team of the big teams in Europe playing 80 mins at home against 10 men in a European semi and coming away with a 1-1 draw because of poor defense that existed all season long and lack of quality in attack which has existed all season long. People act like we’re some plucky underdog and should just be happy that the boys put in a good shift. A good shift is the bare minimum for every single game unless of… Read more »
our defence had nothing to do all game apart from help out the attack. how could they be tired? maybe bring Kolasinac on for Monreal, but outside of that…
Yeah I honestly have never seen someone make an excuse for not making any substitutions before. It’s so common that when it doesn’t happen in a game it makes you wonder. But in a Euro semi-final against a top team? It’s unheard of really
Marko You tell me, because you’re arguing the fact I wouldn’t have changed anything. If you think Kos made that error because he wasn’t told not to, there’s very little else to say. We couldve played a back 6 but if one of the 6 decides its a good idea to try and flick the ball over the attackers head, instead of boot it out of play, then it changes nothing. Individual errors aren’t removed through tactics. What is peculiar however is the deference of blame from Kos to Wenger. The reason we conceded was Koscielny, not Wenger. This substitution… Read more »
Wallace
“our defence had nothing to do all game apart from help out the attack. how could they be tired? maybe bring Kolasinac on for Monreal, but outside of that…”
Iwobi for a midfielder?
slightly baffled by this substitutions talk. we had Iwobi & Nketiah on the bench, yeah? like Charlie says, it was attack vs defence for 90% of the game. what are people suggesting, Eddie for Lacazette?
With how poor we are defensively and given we were winning in the last 10 minutes it became more important to keep a clean sheet than score another goal. And it’s not like Griezmann wasn’t given a sniff all game. There was enough to suggest that even with 10 we could concede
Marko, why go into the details. All you do is provide an olive branch for the sycophants to latch onto.
No substitutions or changes in personnel would alter the outcome. Because Wenger is a complete and utter failure in Europe and this joke has been running for two decades.
“If you think Kos made that error because he wasn’t told not to, there’s very little else to say.”
🙂
Marko
“With how poor we are defensively and given we were winning in the last 10 minutes it became more important to keep a clean sheet than score another goal.”
disagree. they’d been playing since the 10th min with 10 men. 2-0 almost puts the tie to bed. and we weren’t overcommiting, it was just an horrific mistake from Koscielny.
“Why don’t Ufraud, coffeecakes, goh etc have a go at analysing last night’s game as though we already had a new manager in place.”
LMAO,trust me you don’t want them to do that,would be a shocking revelation of how limited their footy knowledge is,its all about Wenger, anything beyond that and there’s the brain fart.
What is peculiar however is the deference of blame from Kos to Wenger. The reason we conceded was Koscielny, not Wenger. This substitution speculation is simply the last thing people like yourself are clinging onto to criticise. Have at it, it’s bizarre though. Did you anyone say it wasn’t Koscielny’s fault? Wenger gets the blame because he did nothing. That’s it he did nothing and we conceded late on. Pretty fair no? I mean it’s pretty fair of me to say that he did absolutely nothing right. What I am saying is that he should have done more than nothing… Read more »
@Chigooner – “How far have our standards fallen if people believe there is nothing to criticize from that game.”
Its called apathy, the kind that one gets from a now all too typical result from Arsenal and its so-called manager.
You will likely find that many here really dont care any longer and are simply waiting for season end and a new manager to be announced. That is when i would expect enthusiasm to return. Your comment is very valid.
1. Short Pier
2. Long Walk
3. Do it, AuberNorthernGoof
You really are an imperialist racist, you know that AuberNorthernGoof?
disagree. they’d been playing since the 10th min with 10 men. 2-0 almost puts the tie to bed. and we weren’t overcommiting, it was just an horrific mistake from Koscielny Not conceding an away goal is absolutely more important than scoring another goal especially considering our away form and the fact that we usually rarely keep a clean sheet. And we weren’t overcommiting? Charlie says we had them penned in and the replays with Mustafi sliding to prevent the goal and Monreal busting a gut to get back suggests otherwise.Look it’s getting pointless now you’re right there’s nothing more he… Read more »
I can’t agree with the view that Arsenal have a great squad of players that will win major titles with a manager that gets the best out of them. In fact I take the opposite view: Wenger has assembled a second-rate squad from whom he manages to extract, on occasion, an excellent performance. In other words, no matter the manager, this squad is incapable of consistently competing with the best. To do that, at the very least five outstanding players are required. A problem, yes, keeping up with the best, but one that elite clubs face annually. One that a… Read more »
Marko
“Wenger gets the blame because he did nothing. That’s it he did nothing and we conceded late on. ”
so you think he should have sacrificed a midfielder or attacker for a defender when we were dominating possession and they were only playing with Griezemann up?
Marko No I make it sound like we dominated the ball, had AM pinned in their third of the pitch, had total control of the proceedings, had everything working as it needed to, and it was undone because one of our defenders was irresponsible. You do something as a manager when there is a need for it, not when there’s no threat on your goal and you’re continually knocking at the door. We weren’t desperate, we were 1-0 up looking for a killer second in the final stages when they were clinging on. You’ve been so used to blaming Wenger… Read more »
Someone mentioned it already, but you are aware that your moniker translates to a purple eggplant, a vegetable right? Actually, it explains plenty as you’ve been in a vegetative state pretty much from day one.
Marko
” There was enough to suggest that even with 10 we could concede”
Yeah.. They were making chance after chance.. They were entrenched in our half.. Our goalkeeper was man of the match
Oh hang on…. No, it was arsenal making chance after chance and we were entrenched in their half and yes of course, it was their keeper who was man of the match….
nobody was expecting Madrid to score. going into the last 15mins the question was could we get a second. of course 1-0 was a very solid result, I just think playing at home against 10 men in the first leg of a semi-final you go for that second goal to kill the tie. don’t be reckless in pursuing it, but definitely go for that second.
Final point on this completely pointless bollox we’re talking about but taking into account that at home against 10 men we could only score once coupled with the fact that our away form is abysmal at best going to Madrid without an away goal was paramount. Way more important than scoring again. We’re capable of scoring against them which means that at 1-0 another away goal would have meant them needing to score 3 and they’re not big scorers themselves but at 1-1 and them with an away goal they can go about winning the tie in more ways than… Read more »
I just think playing at home against 10 men in the first leg of a semi-final you go for that second goal to kill the tie. don’t be reckless in pursuing it, but definitely go for that second.
No one’s ever going to think this team is safe with a two goal lead
What the fvck are some of you rose tinted crowd even trying to prove or achieve? That yesterday was a one off? That it was bad luck? That we are overreacting and not making an accurate analysis? No, no and more No. This shit has been happening for years. Infact why don’t you ask yourselves this and be honest about this – If yesterday’s scenarios were put on loop and played 10 times, what would the outcomes look like? I’d confidently say it would be the same 9 times out of 10. Our offense would continue to struggle to find… Read more »
We had 85% of the ball second half, 700 passes to 170, 28 shots to 6, 11 corners to 0. CC We couldn’t have had those stats because atletico sat back and let us make 700 Passes. Let us has 85% possession. Let us do what ever we want because they knew they had it under control. This goes back to when we lost to Man U 3-1 and the same morons saying we kicked the shit out of them and we had all the shots. Possession. Passes. Yeah well Man U were up 2 nil in the first 15… Read more »
As shitty as it was, I think that we will nick a goal in Madrid. The only problem is they will have 11 men again, a raucuous stadium and Costa looking to eat alive our back line for lunch.
I so hate this cup tied rule thank God its going away. How we could have used Auba and a healthy Mikki.
Its over, but then again we all kinda expected this.
Jo.e
“Same morons saying you can’t blame Wenger. Well who didn’t change tactics? Who didn’t make a sub? Clueless.”
we were dominating the game. completely. yes, if you have Auba or Mkhi on the bench you would bring them on, but we didn’t, we had Iwobi & Nketiah. you don’t sub one of the best forwards in Europe when he’s playing excellently and put on an 18yr old with about 15mins first team experience.
The lethal Frenchman, who has now scored 14 goals in his last 14 games, forced David Ospina into two smart saves but an eventful first 45 minutes came to an end goalless.
See Pierre enough to suggest
Take me back to Highbury (it’s in North London Jo. e)
Are you actually saying that Atletico Madrid let Arsenal have 28 shots on goal (many of those clear cut chances)…..
Are you talking tactics?
“That yesterday was a one off? That it was bad luck? That we are overreacting and not making an accurate analysis?”
yop,this right here is the accurate analysis:
Koscielny has a brain fart,its all on Wenger,Mustafi has a rush of blood,Wenger’s fault,Welbeck misses a sitter,hang on..its the Weng man, Laccazette hits the post,your guess is as good as mine.never in my life have I come across such simplistic and myopic view of the game.
my grief would be if posters are not as objective in evaluating performance of the new gaffer
If Wenger threw on another defender and Atletico scored you’d have likely bemoaned If he did anything IF. But he didn’t. Look you seem to be fine with it all that’s okay I’ll flip it around for you give you a little Charlie-ism. It’s my opinion that in a game of such magnitude and importance that we should have made a substitution of any kind especially when we were winning with 10 minutes to go. It is my opinion that a team that makes ZERO substitutions in a game leaves themselves up for reasonable criticism if said team concedes late… Read more »
Wallace
Wellbeck. Jack. Could have been taken
Off.
Pep has no problem playing an 18
Year old
Marko
That was in the first half.
Did you actually watch the game or do get your information from Jo. es comments.
Take me back to Highbury (it’s in North London Jo. e)Are you actually saying that Atletico Madrid let Arsenal have 28 shots on goal (many of those clear cut chances)….. Are you talking tactics?
They sat back you clueless akb
Shots come as a result of sitting back.
Why are akbs so thick
How did your “ it’s going to finish 2-0” prediction come out Pierre.
Really got your finger on the pulse
Pierre
Tell me how many shots we had v Man U when totally out played them. At home during the 1-3 match.
Marko
The first half doesn’t count. It’s not part of the match.
I really am not sure how the players, in particular Koscielny can have let wenger down with what happened considering it was broadly predictable Kos is my favorite arsenal player of the last 5 years and he’s put in some brilliant performances but let’s call a spade a spade. The guy is error prone in big matches. Mustafi as well but even more so. If you put an error prone player on a football field without even any instructions and then you don’t even give any further direction during the game, you have no right to blame him or be… Read more »
Marko
Fine with it all?
No I’m defending the fact we performed well and managed the game well for all but one ridiculous decision from Kos.
Good result? Anything but.
You can pretend substitutions, formations, or jumping up and down on the touch-line would have made a difference, but individual errors happen irrespective of all other factors. Blaming the manager for action or inaction based on an individual error is plain bizarre. Short of clairvoyance and subbing off Kos, nothing would’ve avoided it.
The substitutions are kind of irrelevant last night, and a distraction from the real issue, of just how soft and fragile this Arsenal team is. This team is a reflection of its manager, as all teams eventually become – weak, unaccountable and lacking any kind of balls. This wasnt bad luck, this was bad preparation. These kind of things have been happening to us for years, particularly in tough games. The lack of concentration, lack of defensive toughness and inability to focus are all guarantees with a Wenger team. – Look at how many CL knockout ties we have absolutely… Read more »
“Short of clairvoyance and subbing off Kos, nothing would’ve avoided it.”
Maybe not having so many error prone players on the pitch would help?
We have conceded more goals as a result of defender errors than any team in Europe this season.
Marko
“It’s my opinion that in a game of such magnitude and importance that we should have made a substitution of any kind especially when we were winning with 10 minutes to go. ”
but who, and why? seems like you’re confusing movement with action.
When not that great players do Dumb/ crap stuff how on earth are we to blame them? You blame players who know and can do better. Mustafi for example is dropping clangers every other week and welbz has missed chances in the 6 yard box regularly for years. Kos has been shitting the bed in major games since the day he joined us. How on earth can you blame these guys? This is their level. Ironically the one guy in our entire squad with insane talent (ozil) is the one who has the attitude problem and yet criticizing him is… Read more »
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Here is an example of Arsenal being ahead (1-0 up) and with 10 minutes to go he made substitutions with the intention of not conceding of running the game out. The classic throw on another LB. Last night he did nothing. Oh how can you criticize him you’re an obsessive. No substitutions late goal conceded open to criticism. End of
PierreApril 27, 2018 12:29:56
Tony talking tactics… Now that’s funny
Haha Pierre’s only retort when he doesn’t have a proper response
It’s gold coming from a clown who’s supported a manager and still does who doesn’t have a clue about tactics.
The entire footballing world has clairvoyance considering everyone and their uncle expects random errors and arsenal to shit the bed in european knockout games.
Funny that.
What has my nationality have to do with anything, eggplant? You are aware that football is a world sport, right? You make an awful lot of assumptions, faceplant – none of which actually have anything to do with football.
Blah blah blah, you are nothing but a bag of wind coated in shit.
You’re just another hero China, I’m sure you would’ve taken Kos off right before he made the error because you expected it.
No I’m defending the fact we performed well and managed the game well for all but one ridiculous decision from Kos. How could we have managed the game well when we made no substitutions and conceded late on? Honestly how? Managing the game well would have been making sure that you don’t concede an away goal late. Doing this would have entailed substitutions and instructions not nothing. You can pretend substitutions, formations, or jumping up and down on the touch-line would have made a difference, but individual errors happen irrespective of all other factors. So glad you said this. Do… Read more »
“Are you actually saying that Atletico Madrid let Arsenal have 28 shots on goal (many of those clear cut chances)…..” What’s your point? Isn’t it their job as our attack and midfield to create those chances? What should we give them “Well Done” gold star stickers for all of them — for carrying out their roles? Isn’t that why we pay them a bleedin’ great salary? As I said previously, I don’t have an issue with our attack… they did their job. Our defence didn’t… they needed to concentrate for the whole game and for some unknown reason known only… Read more »
No, I wouldn’t have taken him off Charlie. If I wasn’t able to stop kos being error prone in big games I’d have sold him years ago. And if I had managed to coach that out of him and he was still here and playing, I’d have been bellowing at my team to keep it simple and play safety first in the latter stages of the game You know even my first manager used to bellow that at me when I was a six year old left back. It’s absolutely comical that you think it’s takes a ‘hero’ to save… Read more »
““Short of clairvoyance and subbing off Kos, nothing would’ve avoided it.””
In other words, let me guess, wait for it…. was it bad luck?!?!?
We’ve heard this before haven’t we?
So much for learning from our mistakes then.
*SIGH*
Marko Give it a rest ffs, you’ve already tied yourself in knots about how substitutions would’ve changed the outcome. No substitution changes the fact Kos makes an error, bar taking Kos off. Now you’re going to try and claim some victory about wanting new defenders? Jesus Christ, you’re “so glad” about it but fail to remember you wanted Manolas. The same Manolas that was abysmal against Liverpool and was at fault for at least one of their 5. Not to mention you were suggesting Wenger should’ve made a tactical substitution, and played with a back 5 for the last 10mins.… Read more »
Whoever could’ve predicted that’s Arsenal’s highly error prone CBs would make errors?
WHO COULDVE IMAGINED???
Straw man Charlie
Gerard and RVP consistently delivered and were not error prone. Conversely they put their teams on their back in countless big games
You were saying…?
China
Which infallible defender would you have replaced Kos with?
Chiellini fucked up against Madrid and cost Juve a goal. I hear he’s had a decent enough career.
In fact nvm, you think Wenger was at failt because he didn’t shout “make no mistakes lads” onto the pitch second half. You’re right, what a cunt he is.
RVP, the guy who carried a horrifically average UTD to a league title and Gerrard who won an average liverpool team a CL
Let’s compare these guys with kos and Mustafi shall we? Please be my guest Charlie. Make my day.
China Ssssshhhh, its bad luck and you know it. Its bad luck that our hugely error prone defence made an error last night. Its bad luck that we are 6th in the PL. Its bad luck that we conceded the most goals of the top 6 last season, and the season before. Its bad luck that we routinely have the worst record against other big teams in the PL Its bad luck that we no longer play CHamps League football. Its bad luck that we havent won the PL for 14 years. Its bad luck that we havent got past… Read more »
last night encapsulated everything that’s been wrong with Arsenal in Europe under wenger the last decade, wasteful in front of goal and even when the opposition are not particularly interested in scoring they will present them a goal with some mind numbing defending all those years with him in Europe and really nothing has been learn’t same old errors . I’m all for most of those players to have another go under a new manager I’ve heard Allegri ? but as far as Koscielny I think that ship’s sailed he too lngrained in wenger’s ways
Charlie Charlie Charlie read what you write.
We don’t need infallible. We don’t ask for infallible. We ask for not error prone.
By following your exact thought process everyone is equal because everyone has made a bad mistake at some point in their careers.
I couldn’t care less about *this* or *that* mistake. I care when a player is widely known as being *prone* to making them.
But I don’t know why I’m explaining this to you. You literally cannot possibly be of the opinion that cheillini and kos/Mustafi are comparable. You simply can’t be that dense.
Charlie, is Welbz comparable to Henry?
We both remember in the CL final when Henry missed a chance or two that could’ve made the difference.
There we go. Henry and welbeck have both missed chances in their careers – ergo we cannot possibly predict that welbeck is likely to miss chance after chance because even Henry has missed them before
This is the extent of your argument Charlie
Give it a rest ffs, you’ve already tied yourself in knots about how substitutions would’ve changed the outcome. No substitution changes the fact Kos makes an error, bar taking Kos off. Say he does his usual bringing on another LB and brings on Kolasinac as a full back tells him and Bellerin to be careful going gungho gives instructions to the back three of Monreal, Kos and Mustafi to sit deep because because we struggle with long balls over the top and asks those two dumbshits Xhaka and Ramsey to sit and be disciplined let the others hit them on… Read more »
I remember when one of the chelsea players said that their strategy against Arsenal was to keep it tight and wait for us to make the inevitable mistake.
Its actually a gameplan thats used, ‘wait for the bizarre and nonsensical error’.
Remember when we were chasing Leicester for the PL, and Mertesacker inexplicably got himself sent off after 18 minutes against Chelsea…..then Costa scored a few minutes later.
China
No you’ve lost sight of the argument entirely, and you’ve not understood the point of comparing Chiellini. You said you’d have replaced error prone Kos, I asked for who and gave an example of one of the greatest defenders ever making mistakes. Illustrating mistakes are part of the game no matter the quality.
You’re spouting bollocks about us being error prone, but what exactly could be done about that against Atletico? Nothing, just a lamentable moment in an otherwise good performance.
Remember when Bayern came to the Emirates, we absolutely steamrolled them at the start,
Ozil completely bottled a penalty then went back into his shell.
Then Szczesny got sent off in the first half.
Bad luck of course.
Not to mention you were suggesting Wenger should’ve made a tactical substitution, and played with a back 5 for the last 10mins. So which is it? You’re all over the place.
Right cause to protect a lead that’s all we can do because Wenger accumulated such shite. We can’t replace error prone players which is what you’d like to do now so we’re stuck with sitting deep with 5 defenders and hoping for the best. It’s better than doing nothing
Marko
Done with this issue, it’s been flogged. You want to flap your gums about subs that would’ve influenced an individual mistake have at it. There were 5 players back and one Atletico player. Could’ve been 8 and if the mistake occurs the goal is still conceded.
Another one who can’t just appreciate anyone is capable of mistakes. Forget it
Do you blame Rogers for Gerrard slipping that season? Or was it Wenger at fault again when RVP missed from 4 yards against Milan? Back to the drawing board Marko, players make errors sometimes. It’s almost like they’re human beings and not video game characters. We’re not talking about mistakes here grow up we’re talking about criticism of the manager for not doing anything for not making any substitutions in a game where we conceded late on. Just answer me this and then we can move on because this will never stop and its getting boring. Do you think that… Read more »
‘Nothing could be done’
What the hell lol. Could anything be done about anything? What is this some kind of fate we’re talking about now?
Stuff will happen today. Hopefully it will be good. Bad luck if it’s not. We have absolutely no say in what takes place – Charlie’s philosophy straight from the Wengerite ‘go express yourself’ football university of Alsace
Marko
I’ve already stated how I feel about yesterday’s and and the subs/lack of. It’s you and the obsessive types that are harping on about it because you’re hell bent on assigning blame to Wenger. Crack on with it
Comment of the day surely goes to Guns of Hackney w/ I blame Wenger for WWII.
Charlie lol this hole your digging as frankly bizarre
You are literally saying nothing can be done to reduce our number of errors, including signing one of the worlds best players – because he has made some errors at some point in his career
Let’s play this game. By your logic you can’t expect much success by signing up all the worlds best players because every one of those players has made mistakes before. A Messi Neymar Ronaldo front 3 doesn’t guarantee you goals any more than a welbeck chamakh park chu Young attack.
Everyone makes mistakes!
You want to flap your gums about subs that would’ve influenced an individual mistake have at it.
I’m saying substitutions influence a game. With 10 minutes to go you don’t think that they would have made a difference?
Another one who can’t just appreciate anyone is capable of mistakes. Forget it
Says the guy who’s arguing with another guy for criticising Wenger for not making any substitutions and doing nothing.
We’re two peas in the same pod
China
Mistakes occur even with the most meticulous preparation and attention to detail throughout. Otherwise mistakes would be totally eradicated at the very top level, they’re not.
The fact you don’t get this is mildly amusing, even moreso given the faux intellectual swagger you’re displaying 🙂
These are seeds we have sown. It is no accident. There is nothing lamentable about a defense and defenders who constantly make mistakes, making more mistakes. A shocking transfer policy and ridiculous squad building that has been going on for the better part of the decade. The ridiculous over playing of players because there are no backups. The fact there isn’t even a backup RB at the club right now. How we sold our best defender this summer and replaced him with no one. How Kos is crocked but our only options are two players that no one, including the… Read more »
When you’re done with the starting lineups look at the fucking bench. No shock your boy Weng didn’t bring anyone on.
Time for the excuses to end. Have some pride.
Marko
I’m not arguing with anyone about it, I said my piece long ago. But I am stubborn enough to keep batting back when posters want to chirp up about my opinion.
You think lack of subs cost us. I think that’s a daft assertion because the game wasn’t lost tactically, but via an individual error. Believe what you like
Ah, so mistakes are equally as likely to happen regardless of preparation, players, tactics and coaching.
Gotchya!
Speaking of which, I assume the number of errors in which case is broadly similar amongst all footballers is broadly similar right?
Errors are like a lottery-based merry go round randomly assigned on a one off basis to players. Bad luck if you made one today. Nothing could’ve been done to prevent any of your errors and there’s nothing you can do to prevent or mitigate against future errors
Fate boys. It’s fate!
Gambon,
That game was peak Arsenal. My god.
Also on the ozil topic. I understand he can do some things on the pitch that others can’t but the performance last night wasn’t acceptable. He goes missing in big games all the time. Every mistake he made was immediately followed up with him yelling at his teammates for his own error. He absolutely stunk the place out. Watching him try to shoot is hilarious.
350k a week gets a much better player than Mesut Ozil.
Champers going into a rabbit hole over 10 vs 11, has to be a symptom of a larger snap coming in the mourning process of Wengers dismissal.