Disgusting what KSE pays for an eternal 2nd best manager. Pep is reported to be on £1,656,000-a-month (£416,000-a-week), while Arteta banks £1,237,000 (£309,000-a-week). Pep has 6 titles plus a CL trophy while Arteta has nearly Zip in the last 5 years. Time to show me the trophies or make like an egg and beat it.
Jonathan Burkardt is a Bundesliga striker making enough waves. Same no of goals as Marmoush was till Dec: 15. He is just 24; not over it, may be just right for Generational.
'Five years into the project, you could say that’s what we need.'
Come on Pedro, the phrase 'five years into the project' sums up everything wrong with arsenal over the past 20 years: I'm surprised you're still floating this nonsense.
'the project', 'in transition', 'project youth', 'the process'... all manner of phases, stages, resets, five year plans etc . We've heard it all before and it's telling that you never hear that kind of thing from other clubs.
In fact we could probably compile an arsenal fc corporate catch phrase gretaest hits list:
'we don't buy stars we make them'
'project youth'
'project youth 2.0'
'project youth 3.0'
'The project'
'the British core'
'the process'
Please, spare us the corporate bullshit and in fact I prefer 'win now'.... nothing wrong with that.
I agree. Change that is lasting is made incrementally. A new SD making big changes in his first few months sounds like sweeping our success up to now under the rug. I predict he comes in and more or less endorses the team's pre transfer work, but adds perhaps closing power or maybe a clue about a player we might not be fully aware of or perhaps looked past. My prediction is that this is a good thing and that we put together a new look team that uplifts our performance to a level of consistency that brings us titles.
Now that we have changed the entire team, sporting director, CEO, scouting team etc if we dont win anything theres only one position we need to change. Your guess is as good as mine.
Less win now more win at some point. I absolutely love how you went from giving Emery just 6 months to being the biggest advocate for even more time and more money for Arteta. And you're hearing that Berta might actually not be subservient to Mikel and lo and behold you're not so sure about his appointment...colour me shocked.
Also who knew that we're probably best equipped for a 4-2-3-1 formation with MLS and Merino...someone tell Mikel he's been getting his formation all wrong...among other things.
The amount of Liverpool fans crying online has been hilarious. What did they expect? He is a free agent and it is Real Madrid. I wouldn't expect Saka to stay in the same position. And I would be sad but I wouldn't even be mad at him. I would be mad at the board. If Saka won the things Trent has won or is about to win with us, I would send him with my blessing eventhough I would be sad. Scousers are a funny bunch.
I love Saka and Saliba. But if we don't renew them by the end of next season, it will be time to sell. I would hope it doesn't come to that though and we can sign them on a release clause for special clubs abroad. Saliba will go eventually. Just have to give him good money to delay that. Saka might want to stay here his whole career as long as we get a league title next year.
"If we don't renew them." You're just out here talking shit. In which reality would Arsenal Football Club not renew Saka? Saliba, who knows, as he didn't grow up at the club. He has said he's staying, so give it a rest. Seriously, though, stop talking nonsense!
Bro. I am just preparing myself for the worst. I didn't say they won't try. They will. I think Saka will stay. Saliba though, I have my suspicion.
We just saw Trent leave his boy hood club. I have seen many players I have loved move to rival clubs. I wouldn't be surprised if Saliba wanted to move to Madrid.
Don't hate the messenger. He has 2 years left at the end of this season.
Real Madrid have had a reputation for that. But it is not necessarily true. They will give you a reasonable fee if you let players go with a year left. They also don't want to tarnish relationships with every club because those clubs buy players from them when they don't want them.
They did so with Hazard. They wanted to pay for Mbappe too. And even with Alaba, Bayern just wanted to show that they weren't push overs by demanding more than £50m. Even with Trent, they would have paid money last summer. Liverpool were just dumb enough to think he wouldn't leave. It doesn't matter to Real Madrid. They will pay huge signing on fees either way. Players also don't mind waving it, if they get to go to where they want a year early.
The only one they didn't pay for was Rudiger. And that was because they hadn't planned on it. Chelsea just got slapped with a ban and he was an opportunity. Otherwise he was resigning at Chelsea before they came in for him.
If Bayern wanted more than €50m and Real got Alaba on a free and gave him a 5 year contract worth €20m per year and €115m in total, then it seems they have saved themselves at least €35m on that deal alone.
Then there’s Mbappe, Rudiger, TAA soon to be, and a whole bunch of players in between who declared Real as their only real interest bringing their valuations down.
Seems to me Bellingham was the only one they paid market value for post the Hazard deal.
Okay I will give you the Alaba deal marginally. Even then Bayern could have gotten £40m for him.
They offered PSG €170m for Mbappe with a year left and they declined it.
Rudiger had already agreed a contract with Chelsea. When Abramovich got kicked out of Chelsea, they couldn't offer him the same terms then Madrid came in.
Liverpool were stupid enough to let all three of their best players to run down their contracts to zero. Even then I saw Real wanted to pay for Trent in January and Pool refused any discussions let alone offers.
Real Madrid are gangsters. But they know all too well when you fuck everyone over, teams won't want to do business with you anymore. There is already bad blood between them and Bayern over Alaba and Kroos. The same with PSG with Mbappe. Now with Liverpool with Trent. Some of these teams are their primary buyers for players they want to sell.
We won't get a 100m for Saliba with a year left. It will be closer to £60 to £70m. They will pay that but we have to be willing to sell if he wants to go.
You’re not seriously saying teams won’t buy from them out of spite when they really want what they’re selling, are you?
That’s just crazy.
Wenger lost out on Higuain ( reportedly) because Napoli came in late and offered more than what had already been agreed to, yet Wenger still went back and did the Ozil deal with them.
That is what I am saying. You need good relationships with most clubs you do business with. It is part of the reason we backed off when Brighton got angry over Caicedo. This isn't like fans trolling each other. These clubs have rules of engagement behind the scenes. When you break that, then teams don't do business with you for a while.
The relationship between us and Man City is now broken. Same for Bayern and Madrid, same for PSG and Madrid. You won't see them doing business in the next 5 years.
It doesn't matter what you have, clubs will look for other alternatives rather than coming to you. Less buyers means less money because of lack of competition.
They sold Higuain because they got a better offer. That is just business. And our relationship wasn't dead with them because it didn't involve them getting our player for free. That is not breaking the rules. But encouraging players to run down their contract and not wanting to pay with a year left angers clubs. Madrid will know that.
They offered €170m for Mbappe with a year left. Why? He would have been theirs on a free a year later. They did that because there is an unspoken rule about business.
The mental gymnastics how Liverpool is a better place than Real cause they're winning the PL this season is unbelievable.
Although, I could pull the same trick next summer when we lift the title and Saliba is angling for a move to Madrid. The difference would be the age of our squad and how all of our stars would have many years ahead of them to win many more trophies. Unlike this Liverpool team where most of their top players are in the zenith of their prime.
Yeah, we have a good core of players who aren't past their primes. We even have elite prospects like Nwaneri, MLS and Dowman. So we can evolve the team and keep winning. We just have to get over the hurdle of the first league title or UCL. And we can replace players who leave with good players as long as we have good strategy.
Expecting Saliba to stay beyond the next two years is hopeful imo. He will go next summer or the summer after that unless Real Madrid and PSG find better prospects.
There are three scenarios. We sell him next summer with a year left, we sell him the summer after the next after agreeing on a new contract with a release clause, or he walks for free in 2 years. Just have to avoid the third one.
Pool fans are just funny. It is Real Madrid and they are crying like he left to Man United. I hope we don't have fans as emotional as them.
I get why they are hurting. It's their local boy who's spent all his life at the club. He's their Saka. Also, they don't have anyone even remotely close to his quality in the team from their academy. Their only 2 other academy players are Curtis Jones and Quansah. With all due respect. In comparison to our Saka, MLS, Nwaneri with Dowman soontm... They are so sad. There's nobody to soften the blow coming up either.
I get it. I would be devastated if Saka left. But calling him a traitor and rat after being part of a side that gave them that amount of success after almost a decade? That is stupid. I wouldn't call Saka that if he left after winning with us so much. He wouldn't be a traitor as long as he didn't join a domestic rival to me.
And I think Jones is a good player that will get better. I rate him. Bradley is decent too. But I agree both are nowhere near Trent.
The "win now" thing is a non negotiable now. We need to win by the end of next season or the project will have collapsed. It has already collapsed in the mind of some Arsenal fans. So we have no choice really. But that doesn't mean we should make dumb decisions. The two are not exclusive.
I wouldn't think Berta would be worse than Edu too. He has experience. And at the very least I would hope he wouldn't let the likes of Saliba leave for free. And Edu was bad at selling because he had nothing good to sell. Berta has some decent players to sell.
I liked the Spence interview. I found it hilarious. It just told me what I knew already, Spurs are nothing to worry about for a while. The dude barely has 6 months of form and he looked like a dick head. I was laughing my ass off.
Real Madrid in for Zubimendi is a good thing. Would rather have a prem' ready Guimaraes anyway. Also unlikley Newcastle sell us Isak and would rather have Sesko in the first week of the window.
Oh please all these plenty of grammar, Arteta has to win now, that's simply the next phase, we're not some experiment in a lab on some 10 year project, if he doesn't win in the next season he should be shown the door immediately
‘ Southampton want £100m for Dibling - Thursday's gossip’
Madness indeed, utter madness
We have Sterling
Am i binned here already? @Pedro?
But we did just get a win over Real!
Disgusting what KSE pays for an eternal 2nd best manager. Pep is reported to be on £1,656,000-a-month (£416,000-a-week), while Arteta banks £1,237,000 (£309,000-a-week). Pep has 6 titles plus a CL trophy while Arteta has nearly Zip in the last 5 years. Time to show me the trophies or make like an egg and beat it.
Jonathan Burkardt is a Bundesliga striker making enough waves. Same no of goals as Marmoush was till Dec: 15. He is just 24; not over it, may be just right for Generational.
100%
'Five years into the project, you could say that’s what we need.'
Come on Pedro, the phrase 'five years into the project' sums up everything wrong with arsenal over the past 20 years: I'm surprised you're still floating this nonsense.
'the project', 'in transition', 'project youth', 'the process'... all manner of phases, stages, resets, five year plans etc . We've heard it all before and it's telling that you never hear that kind of thing from other clubs.
In fact we could probably compile an arsenal fc corporate catch phrase gretaest hits list:
'we don't buy stars we make them'
'project youth'
'project youth 2.0'
'project youth 3.0'
'The project'
'the British core'
'the process'
Please, spare us the corporate bullshit and in fact I prefer 'win now'.... nothing wrong with that.
Generational needs propaganda. Wenger got all propaganda naturally.
Phase this, Phase that
I agree. Change that is lasting is made incrementally. A new SD making big changes in his first few months sounds like sweeping our success up to now under the rug. I predict he comes in and more or less endorses the team's pre transfer work, but adds perhaps closing power or maybe a clue about a player we might not be fully aware of or perhaps looked past. My prediction is that this is a good thing and that we put together a new look team that uplifts our performance to a level of consistency that brings us titles.
Saliba, Magalhaes, Saka and probably Jover shoudnt accept anything less than Transactional gets in wages.
Now that we have changed the entire team, sporting director, CEO, scouting team etc if we dont win anything theres only one position we need to change. Your guess is as good as mine.
He who will place Arteta’s name to this suggestion could get binned ASAP
Get well soon Pedro, all the best.
Less win now more win at some point. I absolutely love how you went from giving Emery just 6 months to being the biggest advocate for even more time and more money for Arteta. And you're hearing that Berta might actually not be subservient to Mikel and lo and behold you're not so sure about his appointment...colour me shocked.
Also who knew that we're probably best equipped for a 4-2-3-1 formation with MLS and Merino...someone tell Mikel he's been getting his formation all wrong...among other things.
The amount of Liverpool fans crying online has been hilarious. What did they expect? He is a free agent and it is Real Madrid. I wouldn't expect Saka to stay in the same position. And I would be sad but I wouldn't even be mad at him. I would be mad at the board. If Saka won the things Trent has won or is about to win with us, I would send him with my blessing eventhough I would be sad. Scousers are a funny bunch.
I love Saka and Saliba. But if we don't renew them by the end of next season, it will be time to sell. I would hope it doesn't come to that though and we can sign them on a release clause for special clubs abroad. Saliba will go eventually. Just have to give him good money to delay that. Saka might want to stay here his whole career as long as we get a league title next year.
"If we don't renew them." You're just out here talking shit. In which reality would Arsenal Football Club not renew Saka? Saliba, who knows, as he didn't grow up at the club. He has said he's staying, so give it a rest. Seriously, though, stop talking nonsense!
Bro. I am just preparing myself for the worst. I didn't say they won't try. They will. I think Saka will stay. Saliba though, I have my suspicion.
We just saw Trent leave his boy hood club. I have seen many players I have loved move to rival clubs. I wouldn't be surprised if Saliba wanted to move to Madrid.
Don't hate the messenger. He has 2 years left at the end of this season.
And how would you go about selling Saliba if he decided to run down his contract for a big Real pay day?
Real Madrid have had a reputation for that. But it is not necessarily true. They will give you a reasonable fee if you let players go with a year left. They also don't want to tarnish relationships with every club because those clubs buy players from them when they don't want them.
They did so with Hazard. They wanted to pay for Mbappe too. And even with Alaba, Bayern just wanted to show that they weren't push overs by demanding more than £50m. Even with Trent, they would have paid money last summer. Liverpool were just dumb enough to think he wouldn't leave. It doesn't matter to Real Madrid. They will pay huge signing on fees either way. Players also don't mind waving it, if they get to go to where they want a year early.
The only one they didn't pay for was Rudiger. And that was because they hadn't planned on it. Chelsea just got slapped with a ban and he was an opportunity. Otherwise he was resigning at Chelsea before they came in for him.
If Bayern wanted more than €50m and Real got Alaba on a free and gave him a 5 year contract worth €20m per year and €115m in total, then it seems they have saved themselves at least €35m on that deal alone.
Then there’s Mbappe, Rudiger, TAA soon to be, and a whole bunch of players in between who declared Real as their only real interest bringing their valuations down.
Seems to me Bellingham was the only one they paid market value for post the Hazard deal.
So yea, their reputation is fully deserved.
Okay I will give you the Alaba deal marginally. Even then Bayern could have gotten £40m for him.
They offered PSG €170m for Mbappe with a year left and they declined it.
Rudiger had already agreed a contract with Chelsea. When Abramovich got kicked out of Chelsea, they couldn't offer him the same terms then Madrid came in.
Liverpool were stupid enough to let all three of their best players to run down their contracts to zero. Even then I saw Real wanted to pay for Trent in January and Pool refused any discussions let alone offers.
Real Madrid are gangsters. But they know all too well when you fuck everyone over, teams won't want to do business with you anymore. There is already bad blood between them and Bayern over Alaba and Kroos. The same with PSG with Mbappe. Now with Liverpool with Trent. Some of these teams are their primary buyers for players they want to sell.
We won't get a 100m for Saliba with a year left. It will be closer to £60 to £70m. They will pay that but we have to be willing to sell if he wants to go.
You’re not seriously saying teams won’t buy from them out of spite when they really want what they’re selling, are you?
That’s just crazy.
Wenger lost out on Higuain ( reportedly) because Napoli came in late and offered more than what had already been agreed to, yet Wenger still went back and did the Ozil deal with them.
And no one was more principled than big Weng.
That is what I am saying. You need good relationships with most clubs you do business with. It is part of the reason we backed off when Brighton got angry over Caicedo. This isn't like fans trolling each other. These clubs have rules of engagement behind the scenes. When you break that, then teams don't do business with you for a while.
The relationship between us and Man City is now broken. Same for Bayern and Madrid, same for PSG and Madrid. You won't see them doing business in the next 5 years.
It doesn't matter what you have, clubs will look for other alternatives rather than coming to you. Less buyers means less money because of lack of competition.
They sold Higuain because they got a better offer. That is just business. And our relationship wasn't dead with them because it didn't involve them getting our player for free. That is not breaking the rules. But encouraging players to run down their contract and not wanting to pay with a year left angers clubs. Madrid will know that.
They offered €170m for Mbappe with a year left. Why? He would have been theirs on a free a year later. They did that because there is an unspoken rule about business.
The fact Real want a player alone can torpedo negotiations , especially in times when no one can tell what’s real and what’s bs anymore.
We’ll see how you feel about them when the Saliba renewal comes about, but I’m not seeing it in pretty colors.
The mental gymnastics how Liverpool is a better place than Real cause they're winning the PL this season is unbelievable.
Although, I could pull the same trick next summer when we lift the title and Saliba is angling for a move to Madrid. The difference would be the age of our squad and how all of our stars would have many years ahead of them to win many more trophies. Unlike this Liverpool team where most of their top players are in the zenith of their prime.
Yeah, we have a good core of players who aren't past their primes. We even have elite prospects like Nwaneri, MLS and Dowman. So we can evolve the team and keep winning. We just have to get over the hurdle of the first league title or UCL. And we can replace players who leave with good players as long as we have good strategy.
Expecting Saliba to stay beyond the next two years is hopeful imo. He will go next summer or the summer after that unless Real Madrid and PSG find better prospects.
There are three scenarios. We sell him next summer with a year left, we sell him the summer after the next after agreeing on a new contract with a release clause, or he walks for free in 2 years. Just have to avoid the third one.
Pool fans are just funny. It is Real Madrid and they are crying like he left to Man United. I hope we don't have fans as emotional as them.
I get why they are hurting. It's their local boy who's spent all his life at the club. He's their Saka. Also, they don't have anyone even remotely close to his quality in the team from their academy. Their only 2 other academy players are Curtis Jones and Quansah. With all due respect. In comparison to our Saka, MLS, Nwaneri with Dowman soontm... They are so sad. There's nobody to soften the blow coming up either.
I get it. I would be devastated if Saka left. But calling him a traitor and rat after being part of a side that gave them that amount of success after almost a decade? That is stupid. I wouldn't call Saka that if he left after winning with us so much. He wouldn't be a traitor as long as he didn't join a domestic rival to me.
And I think Jones is a good player that will get better. I rate him. Bradley is decent too. But I agree both are nowhere near Trent.
Get well soon Peter.
The "win now" thing is a non negotiable now. We need to win by the end of next season or the project will have collapsed. It has already collapsed in the mind of some Arsenal fans. So we have no choice really. But that doesn't mean we should make dumb decisions. The two are not exclusive.
I wouldn't think Berta would be worse than Edu too. He has experience. And at the very least I would hope he wouldn't let the likes of Saliba leave for free. And Edu was bad at selling because he had nothing good to sell. Berta has some decent players to sell.
I liked the Spence interview. I found it hilarious. It just told me what I knew already, Spurs are nothing to worry about for a while. The dude barely has 6 months of form and he looked like a dick head. I was laughing my ass off.
Charles Watts
If things go to plan, Saka could make the squad against Fulham on Tuesday.
Real Madrid in for Zubimendi is a good thing. Would rather have a prem' ready Guimaraes anyway. Also unlikley Newcastle sell us Isak and would rather have Sesko in the first week of the window.
Guimares over him all day
Oh please all these plenty of grammar, Arteta has to win now, that's simply the next phase, we're not some experiment in a lab on some 10 year project, if he doesn't win in the next season he should be shown the door immediately