Arder Guler isn't the one we take. He'd incredibly limit Nwaneri's chances who's as talented (not like Arteta has consistent plans to develop him anyway). Who we take is Brahim Diaz. He's very gettable and uber talented as well.
Now that Pep's signing a new deal, I guess we have push back our expectations further eh. Cos our plans for EPL domination was hinged on Pep leaving eh.
The Talent spotting at Madrid is second to none. Any Madrid player is worth taking a punt on. Even old Dani C did an OK job for us. Guler is another animal altogether. We need a CM CAM that can dribble like a mother F er. He is it.
We could have shelled out coin for Dani Olmo too. Imagine that?
I would take Arda Guler any day. Why did we get Raheem then? Should we have not pinged Madrid for Guler? Again, the Raheem thing was a panic loan. Guler more is going to be world class. A kid with something to prove. A super Ozil. sheesh. If there is any truth to this, I would take him on. Any Madrid player for that matter aged 16 who cares
Pedro your comment below is a straw man argument. We must not concern ourselves what what other premier league teams do and must instead ask ourselves are our kids ready to play a bit more than they have - I suspect most people would say a resounding yes. Your argument below was used to justify Arteta’s fear of using Saliba ‘how many young CBs get games at this level???’ Whilst he was out there winning awards left and right on loan and was clearly the exception to the rule. Nwaneri needn’t be expected to start every game - we just need to stop looking first and foremost at his passport as a decider for whether or not he comes off the bench or starts games here and that. Nwaneri is clearly an exceptional, prodigious talent playing in a position where our star player has been injured most of the season. If that doesn’t say ‘give him a chance here and there’ then nothing does. Pep or Klopp would not be frightened of giving him a chance sometimes. There’s good reason for that
‘Only four teams in the league gave more than 1,000 of them last season. So why do you, a fan sitting there eating your morning Pop-Tart, think that 80% of Premier League managers are getting it wrong?’
There's a simple fact that proves that Arteta didn't manage Nwaneri minutes properly:
- His longest cameo was against Newcastle away: one of the toughest stadiums in the league against one of the most physical teams, when own team is dismantled.
Is this planned youngster development? No, this is desperation.
Another aspect: If youngster is a risk, it means they should be introduced either when the team is already winning to minimise their impact on a result or when the opponent is clearly not strong.
Fact: Nwaneri was given minutes against Inter (0-1), Newcastle (0-1), Liverpool(2-2), Leicester(2-2), Spurs(1-0) - the only game when we had a lead.
Nwaneri was not given minutes agains Shakhtar, Southampton (even after 3-1), PSG (after 2-0).
So it a planned youngster development or is it throwing in the 17-year old to save the game?
Guardiola has signed his extension for two years. Man City will be active in January. Arteta has till the end of next season imo. Not winning the league this season might also sap the energy and the belief from our players.
Furthermore, any talk of Arsenal terminating Arteta’s contract regardless how this, or the next season pans out, is just whistling in the wind to pass the time.
Also, me nipping at your ankles was never about not appreciating the job he’s done, but rather pushing back on the best young manager in the universe narrative , which is a bid of nonsense.
Context matters. I wouldn't sack him in that scenario. My faith in him winning wouldn't be great though just like most of the Arsenal fan base by that point.
At some point he has to win. Otherwise the players will lose belief in what he has been trying to do these past few years. We have come nearly close twice already. And If we are close this season again, which I believe we will be, (and next season as well in your scenario), then that will be 4 times in a row that we couldn't overthrow city. I really dont think players will go the extra mile because they will feel like no matter what they do they will not win under him. That is my main issue rather than my belief in him. I have seen what sacking a really good coach that might go somewhere might cost you with spurs and pochettino.
It isn't a question of ability for me. Arteta is one of the the best coaches on the planet already imo. But timing matters in football aswell as talent. Salah and Debruyne are premier league greats that never made it at Chelsea. And I am sure if Arteta leaves he will win big things wherever he goes. But if he gets that first big trophy over the line, we will win a lot of big things.
Liverpool fans and Klopp acknowledge that, the UCL they won under him against Spurs was a relief and it opened the door for more success. He has to get that first one. If he doesn't the pressure will take its toll, players will lose belief and another team under Arteta will reap the rewards we should have gotten.
Still coming short multiple seasons in a row isn't good enough. It clearly shows he hasn't or doesn't learn from his mistakes. He needs to pull out that extra to win either PL or CL. How many managers get this golden opportunity to achieve that? Not one but two opportunities to win a trophy. Nearly men shouldn't be given more time to continue being just that 'nearly men." How did you enjoy the Wenger era? 4th -2nd means sweet FA.
Didn't Pep win the CL? I don't think he has the know-how in Europe, tbh, so I added the CL as an alternative to the PL, and that's wishful thinking looking at how the format has changed. Arteta will likely end up going into how many seasons without lifting the PL? Can't be rewarding that with more seasons. Looking like another Wenger situation nobody wants. This is his sink or swim season. If he doesn't turn it around with a PL win, who really has the energy to accept another season of him doing the same shit again? 17-year-old ain't saving our season, and whose fault is that? Man who can't build a proper squad and keeps buying crocks, weird loans, and wth is this Merino guy? Sociedad is a club full of meh players. Poor transfer when you're making an attempt to close those fine margins and win the PL.
It took Pep 7 attempts, at his third club (all three clubs the richest in their league) to win Champions League.
Arteta is up against a City team awaiting its fate for allegedly paying lots of people off the books. We have progressed the last two seasons. But you are already thinking about sacking him after 11 games.
Izzo, you've spent years telling us how bad Arteta is and that we should change manager. That Kai Havertz was a terrible signing. That we'd be crying if Balogun left us. Caicedo over Rice.
'Mudryk can pass the ball better than Martinelli and is probably on par with Saka'
When you standard opinion is 'everything Arsenal do is shit' it's hard to take these takes seriously.
"Should he have been fired considering the budget City was spending?"
Lol. Wasn't he already winning multiple titles and trophies to soften the blow of not winning the CL? I'm sure the City faithful were distraught.
At Arsenal, Generational can go nearly 5 years without a trophy after spending 800m, and you have the audacity to compare this barren trophyless run to Pep. Laughable.
Does pointing out your ridiculous comparison warrant another week's ban?
Ciro, Arteta doesn't have the biggest budget that has ever existed in football and he didn't inherit a title winning side that was already being worked on.
Taking Arsenal to where they are is generational. He is the hottest manager in the world right now outside Pep G. Every club wants an Arteta.
I will absolutley ban you for another week if you continue to post like this.
Thank God football is back. I was bored out of my mind. Nothing beats weekends with PL football. And this time, with no breaks till January.
Rumors that Trossard is to be given an extension. As long as it isn't more than a 2 year deal plus not extortionate wages, I am cool with it.
Sterling will need to leave in the summer and we have to find a buyer for Jesus. Then we need to bring in two forwards. A CF and a LW that can play on the right as well.
I totally agree. He's seriously lacking as a manager in this area. Others before him gave youngsters an opportunity. It's not as if Nwaneri will be played every week. He only comes in when Odegaard is injured and does not have to be replaced in 70 minutes if it does not work out for him. As terrible as Troussard was, Arteta kept playing him.
Just because the kid is from Real does not mean he is good. He did the same to Smith Rowe who only got his chance because Willian was stuck in Brazil during COVID. He never started Willian again after that! He said he favours experience. But he wasn't experienced when he took over at Arsenal.
You can't have a talent like nwaneri and play merino in number 10. I try to find any reason for him to neglect such a prodigy for more than two years after he was forced to bring him on to break the record of the youngest ever played in the premiership. Then I try to go a little bit into his biography, and I realized he didn't get a chance as a teenager. He didn't make a single senior team appearance for Barcelona. He left at twenty despite their history of giving opportunities to youth team players. He had to go on loan in another country at 19 to get a taste of senior team football. He didn't have it easy and maybe the reason he isn't ready to make it a piece of cake to the youth team players. He probably wants them to go out and prove their worth. Just maybe.
Pedro….the guy telling us signing Sterling was a master stroke. Yeah right. Arteta is going to struggle this year. His tactics have been rumbled. The team look broken. £700m spent hit and miss. The club is now a joke more concerned with woke stuff than winning stuff.
This is big billy bullshit take from an internet nut job FFS we have had 3 sendings off 2 which were absolute jokes and our best player out for 3 months. We have also played a lot of the major teams away plus pool at home they all still have to play each other. There is miles to go in this race.
'mediocrity' is your comments over the past 5 years. You are so desperate for Arsenal to fail, you're celebrating us not winning the title 11 games in. Crazy.
I am desperate for Arsenal to win and be restored to their former glory. Unfortunately that will not happen until our checkbook manager has left. Next will be the exodus of players that want to win trophies. Since you nailed your reputation to the Arteta mast, it will not be a soft landing for you when he will be sacked or his contract will not be renewed.
Rumbled tactically? Fucking hell Terrence, what a bad take. Let's see where we are in Feb. Raising the white flag 11 games in. The weakest of sauces. Mayo off a summer window sill.
Biggest surprise so far after being touted as this season's title winner, Arsenal after 11 games is 9 points behind top of the table Pool. You are flogging the dead horse of Arteta winning the title.
Never a white flag from me. I want us to fight. I can’t help knowing back in the summer this squad was too weak to compete. All the shit XG mob saying we bought wisely. No we didn’t. We had obvious flaws. Arteta, Edu and club management/owners ignored and chose not buy. We will not win a title with Havertz as the main man. As for tactics. We are now becoming easy for other teams to deal with. Slow and one dimensional. TBH I hope I am massively wrong in Feb and you are right but without some smart trading in January I can’t see it.
We finished 2 points off the title last season - and Kai Havertz has scored a winner in a Champions League final. Not sure why a big game players like Kai is the problem here.
As for one-dimensional, there is literally no coach in the league that would say that about Arsenal, because we're the total opposite. Multi-dimensional. Can play any way. Against any system. If you're watching us and you think we're tactically limited, you are not watching right.
This is Hurzeller the other week: “have solutions for all phases of the game”
There are so many examples of managers saying Arsenal can play any way and are one of the toughest teams to play against.
The results are the proof. Maybe we are watching different games. Our game is give it to Saka and hope he can do some magic. We thought we could win the title on set pieces - again we have been rumbled. Arteta was a very stodgy player. Those of us who have been around remember him as “Squareteta” - always a sideways pass. Really look hard at Havertz. He just plays it safe. We have clown fans who clap a two yard back pass - a Havertz special. He doesn’t have the athleticism and nous to be an impact player. Top 4 is best we can hope for.
If we are so flexible how then we lose points so many games in a row?
I think that the teams have adapted. Our setup is overly defensive (Timber instead of a proper left back), overly conservative (Partey,Rice,Merino midfield) and we can't create enough chances(teams double up on Saka) and can't close in the result, because we don't dominate the possession.
I don't think they are very flexible actually. Their man tactics is just so strong that it works most of the time: they recycle the ball and pressure the opponents until exhaustion.
As long as their opponents can keep the ball under pressure (and City players are not prepared) they start having problems.
Arder Guler isn't the one we take. He'd incredibly limit Nwaneri's chances who's as talented (not like Arteta has consistent plans to develop him anyway). Who we take is Brahim Diaz. He's very gettable and uber talented as well.
Now that Pep's signing a new deal, I guess we have push back our expectations further eh. Cos our plans for EPL domination was hinged on Pep leaving eh.
The Talent spotting at Madrid is second to none. Any Madrid player is worth taking a punt on. Even old Dani C did an OK job for us. Guler is another animal altogether. We need a CM CAM that can dribble like a mother F er. He is it.
We could have shelled out coin for Dani Olmo too. Imagine that?
A CAM RW / Striker is needed badly
I would take Arda Guler any day. Why did we get Raheem then? Should we have not pinged Madrid for Guler? Again, the Raheem thing was a panic loan. Guler more is going to be world class. A kid with something to prove. A super Ozil. sheesh. If there is any truth to this, I would take him on. Any Madrid player for that matter aged 16 who cares
We need the positivity fanboys to come to Pedros rescue. He is having it rough here.
The issue with giving kids game time is they lose you points all well and good 5 years ago when we had a bunch of shite players doing F all
It's much higher stakes now
As long as they get plenty of minutes in the cups and maybe 15 mins in games we are good.
I also think that with our best players back and playing the lesser teams the young guns will get more mins. Especially if we are 3 up
Pedro your comment below is a straw man argument. We must not concern ourselves what what other premier league teams do and must instead ask ourselves are our kids ready to play a bit more than they have - I suspect most people would say a resounding yes. Your argument below was used to justify Arteta’s fear of using Saliba ‘how many young CBs get games at this level???’ Whilst he was out there winning awards left and right on loan and was clearly the exception to the rule. Nwaneri needn’t be expected to start every game - we just need to stop looking first and foremost at his passport as a decider for whether or not he comes off the bench or starts games here and that. Nwaneri is clearly an exceptional, prodigious talent playing in a position where our star player has been injured most of the season. If that doesn’t say ‘give him a chance here and there’ then nothing does. Pep or Klopp would not be frightened of giving him a chance sometimes. There’s good reason for that
‘Only four teams in the league gave more than 1,000 of them last season. So why do you, a fan sitting there eating your morning Pop-Tart, think that 80% of Premier League managers are getting it wrong?’
There's a simple fact that proves that Arteta didn't manage Nwaneri minutes properly:
- His longest cameo was against Newcastle away: one of the toughest stadiums in the league against one of the most physical teams, when own team is dismantled.
Is this planned youngster development? No, this is desperation.
Another aspect: If youngster is a risk, it means they should be introduced either when the team is already winning to minimise their impact on a result or when the opponent is clearly not strong.
Fact: Nwaneri was given minutes against Inter (0-1), Newcastle (0-1), Liverpool(2-2), Leicester(2-2), Spurs(1-0) - the only game when we had a lead.
Nwaneri was not given minutes agains Shakhtar, Southampton (even after 3-1), PSG (after 2-0).
So it a planned youngster development or is it throwing in the 17-year old to save the game?
Very very good points
Guardiola has signed his extension for two years. Man City will be active in January. Arteta has till the end of next season imo. Not winning the league this season might also sap the energy and the belief from our players.
What if he finishes second at the end of next season by one point (98 point season) and finishes runner up in Champions League (loses on penalties)?
12 to 11 on pens with Raya missing his and he can stay.
Thanks Tom, glad you're onboard with the new contract
I am.
Furthermore, any talk of Arsenal terminating Arteta’s contract regardless how this, or the next season pans out, is just whistling in the wind to pass the time.
He ain’t going anywhere.
Also, me nipping at your ankles was never about not appreciating the job he’s done, but rather pushing back on the best young manager in the universe narrative , which is a bid of nonsense.
He has big clubs searching out his name. Arsenal is the best place now. But we won’t keep hold of him forever. Don’t be so sure he’s staying.
Context matters. I wouldn't sack him in that scenario. My faith in him winning wouldn't be great though just like most of the Arsenal fan base by that point.
At some point he has to win. Otherwise the players will lose belief in what he has been trying to do these past few years. We have come nearly close twice already. And If we are close this season again, which I believe we will be, (and next season as well in your scenario), then that will be 4 times in a row that we couldn't overthrow city. I really dont think players will go the extra mile because they will feel like no matter what they do they will not win under him. That is my main issue rather than my belief in him. I have seen what sacking a really good coach that might go somewhere might cost you with spurs and pochettino.
It isn't a question of ability for me. Arteta is one of the the best coaches on the planet already imo. But timing matters in football aswell as talent. Salah and Debruyne are premier league greats that never made it at Chelsea. And I am sure if Arteta leaves he will win big things wherever he goes. But if he gets that first big trophy over the line, we will win a lot of big things.
Liverpool fans and Klopp acknowledge that, the UCL they won under him against Spurs was a relief and it opened the door for more success. He has to get that first one. If he doesn't the pressure will take its toll, players will lose belief and another team under Arteta will reap the rewards we should have gotten.
Still coming short multiple seasons in a row isn't good enough. It clearly shows he hasn't or doesn't learn from his mistakes. He needs to pull out that extra to win either PL or CL. How many managers get this golden opportunity to achieve that? Not one but two opportunities to win a trophy. Nearly men shouldn't be given more time to continue being just that 'nearly men." How did you enjoy the Wenger era? 4th -2nd means sweet FA.
How many times was Pep G a nearly man in Champions League for City?
Should he have been fired considering the budget City was spending?
Didn't Pep win the CL? I don't think he has the know-how in Europe, tbh, so I added the CL as an alternative to the PL, and that's wishful thinking looking at how the format has changed. Arteta will likely end up going into how many seasons without lifting the PL? Can't be rewarding that with more seasons. Looking like another Wenger situation nobody wants. This is his sink or swim season. If he doesn't turn it around with a PL win, who really has the energy to accept another season of him doing the same shit again? 17-year-old ain't saving our season, and whose fault is that? Man who can't build a proper squad and keeps buying crocks, weird loans, and wth is this Merino guy? Sociedad is a club full of meh players. Poor transfer when you're making an attempt to close those fine margins and win the PL.
It took Pep 7 attempts, at his third club (all three clubs the richest in their league) to win Champions League.
Arteta is up against a City team awaiting its fate for allegedly paying lots of people off the books. We have progressed the last two seasons. But you are already thinking about sacking him after 11 games.
Izzo, you've spent years telling us how bad Arteta is and that we should change manager. That Kai Havertz was a terrible signing. That we'd be crying if Balogun left us. Caicedo over Rice.
'Mudryk can pass the ball better than Martinelli and is probably on par with Saka'
When you standard opinion is 'everything Arsenal do is shit' it's hard to take these takes seriously.
He's probably right on all points. Mudryk played on par with saka then. Even you were all over him..
"Should he have been fired considering the budget City was spending?"
Lol. Wasn't he already winning multiple titles and trophies to soften the blow of not winning the CL? I'm sure the City faithful were distraught.
At Arsenal, Generational can go nearly 5 years without a trophy after spending 800m, and you have the audacity to compare this barren trophyless run to Pep. Laughable.
Does pointing out your ridiculous comparison warrant another week's ban?
Ciro, Arteta doesn't have the biggest budget that has ever existed in football and he didn't inherit a title winning side that was already being worked on.
Taking Arsenal to where they are is generational. He is the hottest manager in the world right now outside Pep G. Every club wants an Arteta.
I will absolutley ban you for another week if you continue to post like this.
You should ban yourself for a week.
Leave Ciro alone, Pedro.
Legrove needs him.
Do you not believe in the concept of freedom of speech? Shame that living in the US of A hasn't rubbed off on you.
It's odd that no one else seems to get the ban hammer for pointing out uncomfortable truths.
Thank God football is back. I was bored out of my mind. Nothing beats weekends with PL football. And this time, with no breaks till January.
Rumors that Trossard is to be given an extension. As long as it isn't more than a 2 year deal plus not extortionate wages, I am cool with it.
Sterling will need to leave in the summer and we have to find a buyer for Jesus. Then we need to bring in two forwards. A CF and a LW that can play on the right as well.
I totally agree. He's seriously lacking as a manager in this area. Others before him gave youngsters an opportunity. It's not as if Nwaneri will be played every week. He only comes in when Odegaard is injured and does not have to be replaced in 70 minutes if it does not work out for him. As terrible as Troussard was, Arteta kept playing him.
Just because the kid is from Real does not mean he is good. He did the same to Smith Rowe who only got his chance because Willian was stuck in Brazil during COVID. He never started Willian again after that! He said he favours experience. But he wasn't experienced when he took over at Arsenal.
You can't have a talent like nwaneri and play merino in number 10. I try to find any reason for him to neglect such a prodigy for more than two years after he was forced to bring him on to break the record of the youngest ever played in the premiership. Then I try to go a little bit into his biography, and I realized he didn't get a chance as a teenager. He didn't make a single senior team appearance for Barcelona. He left at twenty despite their history of giving opportunities to youth team players. He had to go on loan in another country at 19 to get a taste of senior team football. He didn't have it easy and maybe the reason he isn't ready to make it a piece of cake to the youth team players. He probably wants them to go out and prove their worth. Just maybe.
I'm no Sterling fan. Anything but, but people were saying the same about Havertz at this point last season.
I have huge doubts, but Sterling could still contribute.
Pedro….the guy telling us signing Sterling was a master stroke. Yeah right. Arteta is going to struggle this year. His tactics have been rumbled. The team look broken. £700m spent hit and miss. The club is now a joke more concerned with woke stuff than winning stuff.
This is big billy bullshit take from an internet nut job FFS we have had 3 sendings off 2 which were absolute jokes and our best player out for 3 months. We have also played a lot of the major teams away plus pool at home they all still have to play each other. There is miles to go in this race.
Excuses, excuses for dishing out mediocrity by Arteta
'mediocrity' is your comments over the past 5 years. You are so desperate for Arsenal to fail, you're celebrating us not winning the title 11 games in. Crazy.
I am desperate for Arsenal to win and be restored to their former glory. Unfortunately that will not happen until our checkbook manager has left. Next will be the exodus of players that want to win trophies. Since you nailed your reputation to the Arteta mast, it will not be a soft landing for you when he will be sacked or his contract will not be renewed.
Rumbled tactically? Fucking hell Terrence, what a bad take. Let's see where we are in Feb. Raising the white flag 11 games in. The weakest of sauces. Mayo off a summer window sill.
Biggest surprise so far after being touted as this season's title winner, Arsenal after 11 games is 9 points behind top of the table Pool. You are flogging the dead horse of Arteta winning the title.
Never a white flag from me. I want us to fight. I can’t help knowing back in the summer this squad was too weak to compete. All the shit XG mob saying we bought wisely. No we didn’t. We had obvious flaws. Arteta, Edu and club management/owners ignored and chose not buy. We will not win a title with Havertz as the main man. As for tactics. We are now becoming easy for other teams to deal with. Slow and one dimensional. TBH I hope I am massively wrong in Feb and you are right but without some smart trading in January I can’t see it.
We finished 2 points off the title last season - and Kai Havertz has scored a winner in a Champions League final. Not sure why a big game players like Kai is the problem here.
As for one-dimensional, there is literally no coach in the league that would say that about Arsenal, because we're the total opposite. Multi-dimensional. Can play any way. Against any system. If you're watching us and you think we're tactically limited, you are not watching right.
This is Hurzeller the other week: “have solutions for all phases of the game”
There are so many examples of managers saying Arsenal can play any way and are one of the toughest teams to play against.
The results are the proof. Maybe we are watching different games. Our game is give it to Saka and hope he can do some magic. We thought we could win the title on set pieces - again we have been rumbled. Arteta was a very stodgy player. Those of us who have been around remember him as “Squareteta” - always a sideways pass. Really look hard at Havertz. He just plays it safe. We have clown fans who clap a two yard back pass - a Havertz special. He doesn’t have the athleticism and nous to be an impact player. Top 4 is best we can hope for.
If we are so flexible how then we lose points so many games in a row?
I think that the teams have adapted. Our setup is overly defensive (Timber instead of a proper left back), overly conservative (Partey,Rice,Merino midfield) and we can't create enough chances(teams double up on Saka) and can't close in the result, because we don't dominate the possession.
Manchester City, the best team in the world, just lost 4 away games on the bounce.
Does this mean they are not tactically flexible?
I don't think they are very flexible actually. Their man tactics is just so strong that it works most of the time: they recycle the ball and pressure the opponents until exhaustion.
As long as their opponents can keep the ball under pressure (and City players are not prepared) they start having problems.