That has to be one of the worst man U performances I have ever witnessed live. No ambition no drive, just wait for a chance. We hardly have them any timber was great, Kiwior did really well with some lovely passes and that midfield of ours is not getting out muscled. Martinelli continues to be an enigma my son said to me last night. That's his ceiling he is never going to get better than that is he?
Nope is the answer. He needs to be replaced IMO and we need another striker for sure and considering we collect left backs and defenders in general the bench looked threadbare of them.
Anyway 7 points now I have a feeling Everton will roll them at the weekend and we get revenge on Fulham. COYG
And then it was 7……. Gone from being a Liverpool are rolling it. To it’s all to play for in one week. Got to love the media. Good win for us without hitting the heights. Players got out of that game in one piece as well which is a bonus as you never know when a UTD player will wildly swing out. For Arteta that’s 4 on the trot against UTD which is an Arsenal managed record. Great stuff
It's insulting when players like Isak do the things dey do weekly and we hear a poster say Haverts is top 5 CF in the world.
Unai and Pep got much needed wins yesterday as well lol. Men have they been in a rot! Villa tumbled down to 12th before yesterday's game. Everton also getting a 4-0 win for the first time in 4 years? I'm surprised they are still in the PL honestly
Nothing else matters other than we won yesterday against United. Wasn't a vintage performance but a clear win nonetheless. Just like I expected. Liverpool's Kelleher was our biggest hero yesterday leaving that floating ball only for Schaar to equalise back post. Onto Fulham. Not talking about titles. Just lukewarm. At this point, I'm more excited about the Carling cup
There is one set piece blind spot which even the King Jover seems to have tho - kick offs
Whyyyyyy from every kick off do we play the ball back to the keeper who in turn just hoofs it long???
I’ve been desperately trying to work out what the objective is with this one and I’m yet to see it adding any value at all
Half the time we lose the ball outright. A third of the time it ends up going for a throw in just past the halfway line. The remaining time Havertz or whoever wins the header and it goes backwards to a midfielder near the halfway line…
I’ve never once seen it achieve any clear goal like catch a team cold and win a corner kick or create a chance or anything. Given how it usually ends with us just losing the ball or at best keeping it with minimal advantage gained, surely keeping the ball from kick off makes far more sense?
We spend all this time coaching Raya to play one twos with CBs rather than hoof it long, but every kick off we turn into Peter Kay shouting ‘about iiiiit’ like the old John smiths beer advert
It's a 'field-tilt' tactic. If we pin the oppo into their end-- for the first action-- we may win the ball back and possibly score quickly. If not, it's almost assured-- the oppo will not score on us-- early in that half.
We are controlling the first segment of a half-- by decree.
Not necessarily a fan of it-- but do grasp what Mikel is dictating-- by eliminating the first 2-3 minutes of one half from contention-- unless it's Arsenal who have advantage.
On another note the United path has really been a thing to behold, wasn't so long ago we'd shutter when that fixture appeared, god forbid it being a UCL encounter like the one CR7 abused the entire side and I drank myself silly.
They now rock up playing a Christmas Tree formation and pray for a counter attacking goal. Trust thy process they made fun of... well dig in chaps it's just begun.
I honestly think Jover just borrowed the bunched group at the far post from watching what other sports do from set plays . Basketball stacked formation on inbounds play or Nfl Bunched formation with all the receivers in a group. These are zone buster plays as the defenders don't know who to mark and they have to turn their head away from the direction the ball is coming to find somebody to mark or they don't know who is coming into their area. And it's almost impossible to man mark as you have natural picks and moving screens. And to adapt it to Football is pretty genius.
I also think tbh he’s doing what set piece coaches/managers should’ve been doing 50 years ago. Honestly the amount of damage you can do with a bit of creativity on set pieces is untold and is by far the most untapped potential in the sport.
99% of all set pieces are entirely routine and are basically just hit and hope at a certain spot rather than clever.
The one that really irks me is when two players stand relatively near a free kick. One takes a step forward and pretends to lean in then pulls out. AFTER first guy pulls out the second guy runs up and takes it. That pause is so dumb. You’d cause far more confusion by having the first player and second player start their approach at similar times, have the first player follow through with a full dummy and the second player arriving to hit the ball only a second after (of course mixing the routine up, it’s just one example)
There’s honestly so much that can be done on free kicks and corners to catch teams with their pants down and it just never ever happens.
Jover is at the cutting edge of this time in that he’s clocked that nobody has any idea how to defend this current batch of routines so we’re milking it now. But eventually he should consider adding some other mix ups once teams get slightly wiser to it
Middy you're probably right because there have been articles like this for past few years.I assume the Kroenkes encouraged Arteta and McVay this relationship.
"The Arsenal head coach spoke to his Los Angeles Rams counterpart this week to get insight into training methods"
My thoughts exactly Habesha.Once again,there’s was no need for a check.It was a clear goal.But that c**t Gillet saw an opportunity to intervene.Did his best to find an excuse not to allow it but sadly for him.No chance.There would have been an uproar the PGMOL. Outdoor do without.
We *need* to win our next few games and see where it leaves us. Doing so well definitely improve our placement relative to the big six teams as they take chunks out of each other. Everton play a few big six teams so have a real role to play in the standings in this period
What did we glance from this day in the EPL? 7 points of the top, Chelsea is also a real competitor maybe not for top spot but definitely for top 4. Never seen the top 10 places so congested and it will be tough as almost from now on it seems like every game is a must win.
Arteta lacks nous in setting up the starting 11 as well as the subs. Martinelli was terrible for 70 minutes all our attack came down our right side. Trossard did more in 5 minutes then Martinelli did in70. Why he was not subbed at half time only Arteta knows but more likely he doesn't know. In the Jan TW we need to bring in players for the left side that can finish and score goals.
The set piece coach needs a salary increase or he will be gone in the summer.
I can't bring myself to answer that rat but on top of what you said JW1 jover never worked out at Brentford or City he was offered a job in the summer and turned it down. He has found his home and is well paid as a coach for us
That has to be one of the worst man U performances I have ever witnessed live. No ambition no drive, just wait for a chance. We hardly have them any timber was great, Kiwior did really well with some lovely passes and that midfield of ours is not getting out muscled. Martinelli continues to be an enigma my son said to me last night. That's his ceiling he is never going to get better than that is he?
Nope is the answer. He needs to be replaced IMO and we need another striker for sure and considering we collect left backs and defenders in general the bench looked threadbare of them.
Anyway 7 points now I have a feeling Everton will roll them at the weekend and we get revenge on Fulham. COYG
And then it was 7……. Gone from being a Liverpool are rolling it. To it’s all to play for in one week. Got to love the media. Good win for us without hitting the heights. Players got out of that game in one piece as well which is a bonus as you never know when a UTD player will wildly swing out. For Arteta that’s 4 on the trot against UTD which is an Arsenal managed record. Great stuff
It's insulting when players like Isak do the things dey do weekly and we hear a poster say Haverts is top 5 CF in the world.
Unai and Pep got much needed wins yesterday as well lol. Men have they been in a rot! Villa tumbled down to 12th before yesterday's game. Everton also getting a 4-0 win for the first time in 4 years? I'm surprised they are still in the PL honestly
Nothing else matters other than we won yesterday against United. Wasn't a vintage performance but a clear win nonetheless. Just like I expected. Liverpool's Kelleher was our biggest hero yesterday leaving that floating ball only for Schaar to equalise back post. Onto Fulham. Not talking about titles. Just lukewarm. At this point, I'm more excited about the Carling cup
There is one set piece blind spot which even the King Jover seems to have tho - kick offs
Whyyyyyy from every kick off do we play the ball back to the keeper who in turn just hoofs it long???
I’ve been desperately trying to work out what the objective is with this one and I’m yet to see it adding any value at all
Half the time we lose the ball outright. A third of the time it ends up going for a throw in just past the halfway line. The remaining time Havertz or whoever wins the header and it goes backwards to a midfielder near the halfway line…
I’ve never once seen it achieve any clear goal like catch a team cold and win a corner kick or create a chance or anything. Given how it usually ends with us just losing the ball or at best keeping it with minimal advantage gained, surely keeping the ball from kick off makes far more sense?
We spend all this time coaching Raya to play one twos with CBs rather than hoof it long, but every kick off we turn into Peter Kay shouting ‘about iiiiit’ like the old John smiths beer advert
Drives me mad lol
It's a 'field-tilt' tactic. If we pin the oppo into their end-- for the first action-- we may win the ball back and possibly score quickly. If not, it's almost assured-- the oppo will not score on us-- early in that half.
We are controlling the first segment of a half-- by decree.
Not necessarily a fan of it-- but do grasp what Mikel is dictating-- by eliminating the first 2-3 minutes of one half from contention-- unless it's Arsenal who have advantage.
Winning-- by whatever margins available.
Keep on pushing 2x points slashed, we move.
On another note the United path has really been a thing to behold, wasn't so long ago we'd shutter when that fixture appeared, god forbid it being a UCL encounter like the one CR7 abused the entire side and I drank myself silly.
They now rock up playing a Christmas Tree formation and pray for a counter attacking goal. Trust thy process they made fun of... well dig in chaps it's just begun.
I honestly think Jover just borrowed the bunched group at the far post from watching what other sports do from set plays . Basketball stacked formation on inbounds play or Nfl Bunched formation with all the receivers in a group. These are zone buster plays as the defenders don't know who to mark and they have to turn their head away from the direction the ball is coming to find somebody to mark or they don't know who is coming into their area. And it's almost impossible to man mark as you have natural picks and moving screens. And to adapt it to Football is pretty genius.
I think that’s a good summary.
I also think tbh he’s doing what set piece coaches/managers should’ve been doing 50 years ago. Honestly the amount of damage you can do with a bit of creativity on set pieces is untold and is by far the most untapped potential in the sport.
99% of all set pieces are entirely routine and are basically just hit and hope at a certain spot rather than clever.
The one that really irks me is when two players stand relatively near a free kick. One takes a step forward and pretends to lean in then pulls out. AFTER first guy pulls out the second guy runs up and takes it. That pause is so dumb. You’d cause far more confusion by having the first player and second player start their approach at similar times, have the first player follow through with a full dummy and the second player arriving to hit the ball only a second after (of course mixing the routine up, it’s just one example)
There’s honestly so much that can be done on free kicks and corners to catch teams with their pants down and it just never ever happens.
Jover is at the cutting edge of this time in that he’s clocked that nobody has any idea how to defend this current batch of routines so we’re milking it now. But eventually he should consider adding some other mix ups once teams get slightly wiser to it
Middy you're probably right because there have been articles like this for past few years.I assume the Kroenkes encouraged Arteta and McVay this relationship.
"The Arsenal head coach spoke to his Los Angeles Rams counterpart this week to get insight into training methods"
https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/mikel-arteta-arsenal-stan-kroenke-18221049
Jover is a fucking evil genius.
Jover MVP
Long balls / Accurate long balls
Raya - 16 / 7
Kiwior - 11 / 5
Partey - 6 / 6
Clearly instructions from Arteta.
My thoughts exactly Habesha.Once again,there’s was no need for a check.It was a clear goal.But that c**t Gillet saw an opportunity to intervene.Did his best to find an excuse not to allow it but sadly for him.No chance.There would have been an uproar the PGMOL. Outdoor do without.
Most goals from corners in the PL since Nico Jover signed for Arsenal in summer 2021
Arsenal 48 (one goal every 16.4 corners)
Liverpool 41 (21.7)
Man City 40 (24.1)
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Surprise, surprise - best teams score from corners.
Arsenal (2.97) 2-0 (0.28) Man Utd
A well deserved win.
Choked the life out of United-- at their probable best.
We *need* to win our next few games and see where it leaves us. Doing so well definitely improve our placement relative to the big six teams as they take chunks out of each other. Everton play a few big six teams so have a real role to play in the standings in this period
Arsenal next 3 games
Fulham away
Everton home
Palace away
Pool next 3 games:
Everton away
Fulham home
Spurs away
City next 3 games
Palace away
Utd home
Villa away
Chelsea next 3 games
Spurs away
Brentford home
Everton away
Spurs next 3 games
Bournemouth away
Chelsea home
Southampton home
Utd next 3 games
Forest home
City away
Bournemouth home
What did we glance from this day in the EPL? 7 points of the top, Chelsea is also a real competitor maybe not for top spot but definitely for top 4. Never seen the top 10 places so congested and it will be tough as almost from now on it seems like every game is a must win.
Arteta lacks nous in setting up the starting 11 as well as the subs. Martinelli was terrible for 70 minutes all our attack came down our right side. Trossard did more in 5 minutes then Martinelli did in70. Why he was not subbed at half time only Arteta knows but more likely he doesn't know. In the Jan TW we need to bring in players for the left side that can finish and score goals.
The set piece coach needs a salary increase or he will be gone in the summer.
'The set piece coach needs a salary increase or he will be gone in the summer.'
Immature take, grasshopper.
Not only is Nick Jover respected, and well compensated-- he and Mikel are close friends as well.
I can't bring myself to answer that rat but on top of what you said JW1 jover never worked out at Brentford or City he was offered a job in the summer and turned it down. He has found his home and is well paid as a coach for us
He did fine at City-- but was coaxed by Mikel to follow to Arsenal--
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/sep/15/best-in-his-field-arteta-lauds-arsenals-nicolas-jover-for-set-piece-dominance
I thought the check for the 2nd goal was a bit too long. And what do you know, it is Liverpool fan Jared Gillet on VAR. Cunt.