if anyone said of Havertz: "Genetically, he is a powerhouse. He is so well-built. He is a player that anything you ask him, he is happy to do: to run in zone six, to be very robust, to make long distances. His body absorbs everything. And then he really looks after himself.
"When you see the professional, how he lives his life, it is immaculate. He does more than any other player there. That is not a coincidence. And then I think he is so intelligent.
"He knows what is good for him and what is not. We know how to manage him and we believe that when he says something it is for the right reason, not because he wants to avoid something. When something works, don't touch him."
If and when, the said players then gets crocked in a R&R trip to Dubai, you would call the one whop made those comments a clown, wouldn't you.
Let's pretend it was Postecoglou that said it.
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If anyone said ""Look at the top players in the world, they play 70 matches every three days and make the difference and win the game. You want to be at the top, you have to be able to do that."
Then the fruit of those substantive comments is that now we have 4 players that would have had hammy tears, three needing surgery
Just imagine it was anyone, other than Arteta that made those comments.
There's an easy case to be made against Arteta because it is Arteta's utterances that will be tendered in evidence.
He needs help from himself same way the club appointed Shad Forsyth for Wenger
Been on ticket exchange every day since failing to get Madrid tickets in ballot. I know it’s hugely unlikely but hoping at least one person will realise they can’t make it
As best as I can remember just Rich ( wherever he might be these days)and myself at the season’s start said this would be injury nightmare season for the league as a whole.
The players have been overburdened with complete disregard for their fitness physical and mental.
Rodri told Pep he was tired and needed a break hours before he did his ACL running in a straight line.
But if I had to put money on what manager might take the biggest hit to the injury curse it probably would’ve been one saying 70 matches a season should be a norm.
I said years ago that the PL moving to 8+ mins of injury time on the regular and all these extra internationals would only be manageable long term with better rotation
As far as I can see, managers haven’t accommodated for the added load by cutting it elsewhere and have simply hoped that their best players can survive the extra work.
That was always obviously a fool’s way of looking at it and we’re seeing the fruits of that ignorance now.
The ONLY way for players to avoid semi frequent injuries like this is more frequent rotation.
That means being brave enough to understand that sometimes even in big games against tough teams when you’re desperate for points, you still have to be willing to drop or sub early a couple of your best players semi frequently.
Managers haven’t got the memo yet and are all shocked that their players can’t cope with the load.
You mean like arm chair experts telling highly paid sports science doctors the likes of David Luiz having cracked heads with Jimenez and having stayed on the ground for close to ten minutes probably should’ve been subbed out.
I mean even if he wasn’t concussed right then and there, the blood trickling down his forehead and into his eyes having headed the ball couple more times right after probably should’ve been reason enough to yank him immediately.
Q: Can I just go back to these hamstring injuries Arsenal have had four I think this season. It seems there's been 120 in the Premier League. It seems like this is just a big, almost Premier League problem now rather than specific to Arsenal. Is that how you see it?
Arteta: No, I don't think it's specific to Arsenal and it's a very difficult one to put a finger into just one motive that has caused that injury because we have four and the four of them are completely different. One is after two days off and a realisation of stopping a shot. The other one is after three consecutive matches in December. The other one is after playing for Brazil and having a few days off bringing down two good sessions and then play the first game. We don't really know. We are doing all the research and trying to understand how we can bring that probability down as much as possible. It's still a bit early.
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But he is an idiot that has no support from sport science doctors.
So the guy responsible for picking the team and responsible for player workload doesn't know why his players are getting injured and will look into it... brilliant that
We've seen Liverpool pick up our physio, United pick up our head doctor, we've seen clubs change up doctors and fitness coaches all the time hell we even saw that happen to great effect with the appointment of Shad but no some Arsenal fans will have you believe that it's bad luck nothing can be done and there's no point in complaining. Literally stupid
Arm chair experts telling everyone including highly paid sports science doctors what should be the protocol interms of loading players will forever be hilarious. By people's accounts every team should sack their medical staff because injury ridden seasons happen to teams. Klopp had it, Pep had it, United and Chelsea had massive problems last year and even this year, Spurs couldn't put out a good 11 for months this year. Even Newcastle had issues the past two years.
But, But, But it is only at Arsenal. Miss me with that bullshit.
Okay, then why did Ruben Dias, Ake, Akanji, all have missed a lot of football this season if he rotated his defenders so much?
I am not saying don't criticize Arteta btw. You can. But just admit we have had availability issues this year. And that is why he couldn't rotate key players as he wanted.
He isn't dumb. He knows key players like Saka, Gabriel, Rice, Saliba and even Timber this year have played a bit too much football. But you need quality options and you need availability.
The managers job s to balance the risk and reward. Let's say we didn't play our best player and we pulled off some crap result, would fans still tolerate it?
I saw last season a lot of people crying about Odegaard being subbed off in that Villa home game where we lost the title.
1. How many times the likes of Kiwior, Zinchenko were sitting on the bench the game against not a top opponent, like Leicester?
2. You will always have a quality drop when you don't select your best 11. But it has a lot of benefits - shared load, more players in shape, motivation for competition etc.
3. Manager's job is also to keep players fit and not talk about "genetic freak" when everybody saw your player collapsing on the pitch after the final whistle.
The Leicester game where we won in the last 10 minutes? Has slot subbed off Van Dijk for Quansah in a game they hadn't won by the last 10 minutes?
He subbed MLS for Calafiori, would have done the same if White or Tomiyasu were available on the right side.
I can criticize Arteta on Havertz. That one is fair. We all saw the end of the wolves game. But we also have to admit he was begging for a forward in the window not to play Havertz. He left him out for Jesus to the surprise of many at times this season.
You know funnily enough when teams go through seasons like that they do a deep dive into it and usually change something or hire new whatever so they don't keep making the same mistakes. Meanwhile at Arsenal it's why are complaining and bad luck excuses from dumb fuck fans.
Okay last year, apart from injury prone players like Partey, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu and Jesus, we had a fairly fit squad. Even timber had an ACL which had nothing to do with Arteta. it was the same the year before.
We have had the first season in 3 seasons where this happened. And you thinking Arteta won't look at that is hilarious. You didn't even watch the entire interview, you just qouted one piece of it.
You can't even recognize the difference between the two.
Me saying you don't throw in players from the start after longterm injuries isn't an opinion. It is because I saw doctors and managers in the past talk about it. That is what exactly happened with Saka too. It is protocol. And it isn't my opinion.
You thinking Gabriel was injured because of lodaded minutes is your opinion based on nothing.
An opinion based on nothing? There's literally data literal data that says players now a days are playing more football running more all that shite and you have a manager who's already shown that he doesn't rotate and that players have gone down just this season under his workload. That's not an opinion based on nothing.
Re January TW, I don’t blame the club for staying put.
The value wasn’t there, Arsenal top four was never in question, the league was done, and Arteta hasn’t shown he’s got anywhere close about him to win in Europe.
But to keep on harping about Villa’s business when they are in the top four mix, CL quarters, and FA cup semis is stupid.
Ask their fans if they think they’ve wasted money on any of the players they’ve brought in, not Arsenal fans.
And before people start bringing up this club and that player...I literally don't give a fuck I'm talking about Arsenal here. We had Wenger with his training regimes get a tonne of injuries and it was avoidable you can tell that when we hired Shad Forsyth and now we have a lot of injuries and it's very easy to tell that by the sheer lack of rotation that's been going on for 5+ years. He got away with it early on because it wasn't his squad it was someone else's it needs time. But 5+ years later and it is his squad and he barely rotates. Hence the injuries hence the lethargy come the tail end of the season every season.
The fact he says the sample is very small and we were very fit last year makes me think that he is in fact a thick cunt. I say this because let's say you have this beautiful whatever and you pound the absolute shit out of them for one two three years straight without rest...what do you think is going to happen come year 4? Well I mean Gabriel was fit as a fiddle and playing every game at 24, 25 and 26 and it's really hard to explain how at 27 and after more or less 4 straight seasons of a workload that he's gotten a bad injury. It's a small sample really. Absolute clown
Excellent counter argument. Just keep quiet. Fantastic. I suppose it's better to talk about transfers in the summer rather. You know there's a season still going on right?
You dont need to be a sport science doctor to know shoving an injured player into the field is psychotic
if anyone said of Havertz: "Genetically, he is a powerhouse. He is so well-built. He is a player that anything you ask him, he is happy to do: to run in zone six, to be very robust, to make long distances. His body absorbs everything. And then he really looks after himself.
"When you see the professional, how he lives his life, it is immaculate. He does more than any other player there. That is not a coincidence. And then I think he is so intelligent.
"He knows what is good for him and what is not. We know how to manage him and we believe that when he says something it is for the right reason, not because he wants to avoid something. When something works, don't touch him."
If and when, the said players then gets crocked in a R&R trip to Dubai, you would call the one whop made those comments a clown, wouldn't you.
Let's pretend it was Postecoglou that said it.
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If anyone said ""Look at the top players in the world, they play 70 matches every three days and make the difference and win the game. You want to be at the top, you have to be able to do that."
Then the fruit of those substantive comments is that now we have 4 players that would have had hammy tears, three needing surgery
Just imagine it was anyone, other than Arteta that made those comments.
There's an easy case to be made against Arteta because it is Arteta's utterances that will be tendered in evidence.
He needs help from himself same way the club appointed Shad Forsyth for Wenger
No no no he can't be blamed for anything. He's completely blameless for everything and forever. Bad luck is what it is.
White and Timber may be available for Madrid (hope neither play v Everton). If they do then our defence should still be robust.
Been on ticket exchange every day since failing to get Madrid tickets in ballot. I know it’s hugely unlikely but hoping at least one person will realise they can’t make it
We clearly need a bigger squad.No shit.Will he then rotate more often?
As best as I can remember just Rich ( wherever he might be these days)and myself at the season’s start said this would be injury nightmare season for the league as a whole.
The players have been overburdened with complete disregard for their fitness physical and mental.
Rodri told Pep he was tired and needed a break hours before he did his ACL running in a straight line.
But if I had to put money on what manager might take the biggest hit to the injury curse it probably would’ve been one saying 70 matches a season should be a norm.
I said years ago that the PL moving to 8+ mins of injury time on the regular and all these extra internationals would only be manageable long term with better rotation
As far as I can see, managers haven’t accommodated for the added load by cutting it elsewhere and have simply hoped that their best players can survive the extra work.
That was always obviously a fool’s way of looking at it and we’re seeing the fruits of that ignorance now.
The ONLY way for players to avoid semi frequent injuries like this is more frequent rotation.
That means being brave enough to understand that sometimes even in big games against tough teams when you’re desperate for points, you still have to be willing to drop or sub early a couple of your best players semi frequently.
Managers haven’t got the memo yet and are all shocked that their players can’t cope with the load.
Fair point Tom.But will he learn this seasons lessons which are beyond doubt now?
You mean like arm chair experts telling highly paid sports science doctors the likes of David Luiz having cracked heads with Jimenez and having stayed on the ground for close to ten minutes probably should’ve been subbed out.
I mean even if he wasn’t concussed right then and there, the blood trickling down his forehead and into his eyes having headed the ball couple more times right after probably should’ve been reason enough to yank him immediately.
Or not.
Q: Can I just go back to these hamstring injuries Arsenal have had four I think this season. It seems there's been 120 in the Premier League. It seems like this is just a big, almost Premier League problem now rather than specific to Arsenal. Is that how you see it?
Arteta: No, I don't think it's specific to Arsenal and it's a very difficult one to put a finger into just one motive that has caused that injury because we have four and the four of them are completely different. One is after two days off and a realisation of stopping a shot. The other one is after three consecutive matches in December. The other one is after playing for Brazil and having a few days off bringing down two good sessions and then play the first game. We don't really know. We are doing all the research and trying to understand how we can bring that probability down as much as possible. It's still a bit early.
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But he is an idiot that has no support from sport science doctors.
So the guy responsible for picking the team and responsible for player workload doesn't know why his players are getting injured and will look into it... brilliant that
Happy St. Totteringham's Day for yesterday people. Cheers 🥂
We've seen Liverpool pick up our physio, United pick up our head doctor, we've seen clubs change up doctors and fitness coaches all the time hell we even saw that happen to great effect with the appointment of Shad but no some Arsenal fans will have you believe that it's bad luck nothing can be done and there's no point in complaining. Literally stupid
Arm chair experts telling everyone including highly paid sports science doctors what should be the protocol interms of loading players will forever be hilarious. By people's accounts every team should sack their medical staff because injury ridden seasons happen to teams. Klopp had it, Pep had it, United and Chelsea had massive problems last year and even this year, Spurs couldn't put out a good 11 for months this year. Even Newcastle had issues the past two years.
But, But, But it is only at Arsenal. Miss me with that bullshit.
If you ever followed Pep and City, he rotates all the time. The only players he didn't rotate were Haaland and Rodri. Guess what? Both are broken now.
But full-backs, centre-backs, wingers, attacking midfielders are being rotated by him constantly.
Okay, then why did Ruben Dias, Ake, Akanji, all have missed a lot of football this season if he rotated his defenders so much?
I am not saying don't criticize Arteta btw. You can. But just admit we have had availability issues this year. And that is why he couldn't rotate key players as he wanted.
He isn't dumb. He knows key players like Saka, Gabriel, Rice, Saliba and even Timber this year have played a bit too much football. But you need quality options and you need availability.
The managers job s to balance the risk and reward. Let's say we didn't play our best player and we pulled off some crap result, would fans still tolerate it?
I saw last season a lot of people crying about Odegaard being subbed off in that Villa home game where we lost the title.
1. How many times the likes of Kiwior, Zinchenko were sitting on the bench the game against not a top opponent, like Leicester?
2. You will always have a quality drop when you don't select your best 11. But it has a lot of benefits - shared load, more players in shape, motivation for competition etc.
3. Manager's job is also to keep players fit and not talk about "genetic freak" when everybody saw your player collapsing on the pitch after the final whistle.
You say this
The Leicester game where we won in the last 10 minutes? Has slot subbed off Van Dijk for Quansah in a game they hadn't won by the last 10 minutes?
He subbed MLS for Calafiori, would have done the same if White or Tomiyasu were available on the right side.
I can criticize Arteta on Havertz. That one is fair. We all saw the end of the wolves game. But we also have to admit he was begging for a forward in the window not to play Havertz. He left him out for Jesus to the surprise of many at times this season.
He could have started either Kiwior or Zinchenko. That's the definition of rotation.
Also in Leicester game defence was not a problem definitely.
You know funnily enough when teams go through seasons like that they do a deep dive into it and usually change something or hire new whatever so they don't keep making the same mistakes. Meanwhile at Arsenal it's why are complaining and bad luck excuses from dumb fuck fans.
Okay last year, apart from injury prone players like Partey, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu and Jesus, we had a fairly fit squad. Even timber had an ACL which had nothing to do with Arteta. it was the same the year before.
We have had the first season in 3 seasons where this happened. And you thinking Arteta won't look at that is hilarious. You didn't even watch the entire interview, you just qouted one piece of it.
But you were doing just that before the Fulham game with Saka
C'mon, Mr Pot.
You can't even recognize the difference between the two.
Me saying you don't throw in players from the start after longterm injuries isn't an opinion. It is because I saw doctors and managers in the past talk about it. That is what exactly happened with Saka too. It is protocol. And it isn't my opinion.
You thinking Gabriel was injured because of lodaded minutes is your opinion based on nothing.
An opinion based on nothing? There's literally data literal data that says players now a days are playing more football running more all that shite and you have a manager who's already shown that he doesn't rotate and that players have gone down just this season under his workload. That's not an opinion based on nothing.
Okay Marko, what is your profession?
minutes played
Van Dijk - 3807
Big Gabi - 3500
Re January TW, I don’t blame the club for staying put.
The value wasn’t there, Arsenal top four was never in question, the league was done, and Arteta hasn’t shown he’s got anywhere close about him to win in Europe.
But to keep on harping about Villa’s business when they are in the top four mix, CL quarters, and FA cup semis is stupid.
Ask their fans if they think they’ve wasted money on any of the players they’ve brought in, not Arsenal fans.
And before people start bringing up this club and that player...I literally don't give a fuck I'm talking about Arsenal here. We had Wenger with his training regimes get a tonne of injuries and it was avoidable you can tell that when we hired Shad Forsyth and now we have a lot of injuries and it's very easy to tell that by the sheer lack of rotation that's been going on for 5+ years. He got away with it early on because it wasn't his squad it was someone else's it needs time. But 5+ years later and it is his squad and he barely rotates. Hence the injuries hence the lethargy come the tail end of the season every season.
The fact he says the sample is very small and we were very fit last year makes me think that he is in fact a thick cunt. I say this because let's say you have this beautiful whatever and you pound the absolute shit out of them for one two three years straight without rest...what do you think is going to happen come year 4? Well I mean Gabriel was fit as a fiddle and playing every game at 24, 25 and 26 and it's really hard to explain how at 27 and after more or less 4 straight seasons of a workload that he's gotten a bad injury. It's a small sample really. Absolute clown
God you are such a whiny dude. Is there a moment you won't whine about something related to Arsenal?
Excellent counter argument. Just keep quiet. Fantastic. I suppose it's better to talk about transfers in the summer rather. You know there's a season still going on right?
If Arteta had a legendary 32 year old winger like Salah, he would break that player in record time.
He would insist that player run up and down the line like a mechanical hare until their attacking edge is all but blunted.
That's essentially what he did to Aubameyang after he signed the extension.
He's the breaker of hamstrings, like a hammer meeting a nail.
Slot had the sense to realize that Salah need to be kept fresh so he reduced his defensive workload.
I don’t recall a single defensive action by Salah vs Everton in his own half, even when Everton were on top.
People comparing his and Saka’s work load when comparing minutes played are clueless.
So Galaxy Brain says that we need to find different solutions in order to keep competing...hmm...
Might I suggest a different training regimen so that players aren't dropping like flies at the back half of the season?
Remember, Arteta is one of the most revered managers in the world!
Why can't we figure this out?
Slot has an older squad AND fewer injuries...just sayin'