It was never the intention of management to take the cups seriously. Think about it. Our second keeper is cup tied. So the logic behind acquiring a cup tied keeper on the last day of transfers can only have been….
“
A: our first choice is Raya, however, other keepers are way too green, so let’s get a backup
B: Wait, we’re too late, can only get Neto
A: he’s cup tied though
B: yah but who TF takes those seriously
“
Similarly, let’s think about the logic behind selling ESR, loaning Fabio, and having Ethan as back up to Odergard. That conversation can only have played out as…
“
A: don’t think ESR and Fabio are competent
B: Okay, let’s plan an exit for them
A: Hey great work, sold ESR, loaned Fabio. Great. Okay, now what about the backup for Ode
B: I mean, we have Ethan
A: he’s very raw, we’ll bed him in slowly. And Ode never really gets injured does he. We’ll play Ethan in the cups (don’t give AF about them anyway) and again, Ode never really gets injured does he
We've already started the TW on the wrong foot. We need a striker and/or a winger on a short term loan but we're looking at the wrong places. Who places a loan bid for a Brazilian in the Brazilian league? Muani is waiting for a loan, we don't seem to be aware of that. Olmo's contract has been mishandled by Barca, we don't seem interested. All the noise is about a Cunha that might soon sign a new deal at Wolves and our perennially linked players like the PSG winger whatever his name is. I'm expecting us to place 50mil o the table for Cunha by transfer deadline to say we tried once again.
We need a DOF more than any other club in the whole world.
I guess they had an unbelievable finishing when they won 7-0.
Scoring 2 goals out of 3 xG is quite standard.
Scoring 7 out of 3 xG is nuts.
Yesterday the xG was:
Liverpool (2.86) 2 - 2 (1.67) Manchester United
When we faced Manure a month ago:
Arsenal (2.97) 2 - 0 (0.26) Manchester United
A bit unlucky for Liverpool not to win if we're looking at the xG but not too unlucky.
They got similarly unlucky to us:
Arsenal (2.42) 2 - 2 (1.82) Brighton (10v11)
Newcastle (0.86) 1 - 0 (0.91) Arsenal
Chelsea (1.24) 1 - 1 (1.96) Arsenal
Arsenal (1.31) 0 - 0 (0.13) Everton
And the Brighton game when they supposedly deserved the draw except that we somehow had almost 2x their xG without the never-seen-before penalty kick - 1.01 to 1.81 in our favor.
Can we take a moment to acknowledge that the odds of Liverpool drawing all 3 times we we did in the last 6 weeks must have been exceptionally unlikely.
That means we have been extremely lucky.
Or do we only comment on luck when we feel it goes against us? Please advise
Extremely lucky how? The team everyone's been hyping up to the heavens is not as good as everyone wrongly assumed? Easier schedule seems to have been a valid thing (as repeated many times). They are literally full strength and are drawing with teams that have a pulse.
We're so lucky to have been given once in a lifetime red cards, once in a lifetime penalties against us + having our best player out injured in the next months, our captain injured for 2 months, our newest signing out for a month, about 6 full backs out for months (White, Tomiyasu, Zinchenko, Tierney, Calafiori, Timber), and Liverpool still needed two of our defenders (Gabriel and Timber) to get injured during our game + our goal being disallowed + Saliba suspension to draw with us.
Salah has played in every single game
Van Dijk has played in every single game
Trent has missed 1 game
Gravenberch has played every single game
Gakpo has played every single game
Mac Allister has missed 1 game (yellow cards)
Szoboszlai has missed 2 games (yellow + illness today)
Diaz has missed 1 game (benched)
Nunez has missed 1 game (illness)
Robertson has missed 1 game (benched)
Jones has missed 2 games
The only players that have missed any games really have been Alisson (6 weeks), Konate (4 weeks), Elliott (reserve CM), Jota (reserve forward), Chiesa (reserve to Salah).
Other than Alisson and Konate out injured (both are back now), tell me what has gone wrong for Liverpool so far in the 5 months of the campaign cause I can write you an essay about Arsenal's "extreme luck".
It’s very far from widely agreed that the fixture list is unfair.
What has happened is we started the season slowly so it was blamed on us having lots of difficult away games (even tho that means later we’ll have more easier and homes games…)
Then we got to one of the most congested, difficult periods of the season at Christmas and sure enough we have an easier set of fixtures than our rivals. Go figure. But people went quiet on that because we still managed to drop points 3 times.
They've visited exactly 2/9 top 10 teams in their 19 PL games played.
Arsenal - 2-2 Gabriel and Timber got injured during the game + suspended Saliba + a legit goal was taken from us.
Newcastle - 3-3.
That's it. Of the top 10, they've still got visits to Forest (who beat them away), Chavs, City, Bournemouth, Fulham, Villa, Brighton.
For us, we've played away to 7/9 top 10 teams. We've visited Chavs, City, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Fulham, Villa, Brighton.
We've still got to visit Liverpool and Forest.
I bet you'll have a follow up to straight up facts regarding how Pool's first half of the season wasn't easier than ours.
I haven't said it's unfair although now I will mention it as they were allowed to gain momentum and belief by having easier 1st part of the season. Getting wins after wins at the start is important as it's really tough to play under pressure while chasing the 1st placed team when you know you have no other option but to win.
I said "Easier schedule seems to have been a valid thing" in regard to how they were called a winning machine and people have been overhyping the shit out of them. 2/9 visits to top 10 clubs (0 wins) compared to our 7/9 visits confirms that their schedule has indeed been easier. Facts.
"we started the season slowly" aka we were on course to beat Brighton, City and Liverpool and have 11 wins in 14 games but the refs had a different idea and turned wins into draws. Agreed.
With this is you'd now expect pool to have a much harder second half of the season if this is the logic while we have a smoother run at it, obviously looking forward to how that pans out, hopefully in our favor
Gosh surey this victimhood stick has to get boring at some stage for you doesn't it? I mean the past two seasons bar the Saliba injury, we have been pretty lucky on the injury front and yet didn't win anything so what's with this constant need to be the victim and come off like other teams don't suffer adversity and deal with it
Depending on Liverpool to drop points 3 times in their last 6 odd matches and it happening just so we can stay 6 points back on a game more AND IT ACTUALLY HAPPENING is the literal definition of luck
FML
A kind reminder if Liverpool hadn’t bailed us out on even just a couple of those 3 matches we’d be finished in the race
We are hanging on by an absolute thread and can only catch them by winning points when they drop them and matching them elsewhere. Instead we match them elsewhere and match them when they drop points, keeping ourselves eternally on PL title life support and never making inroads or being put out of our misery
It would appear the likes of Danni Olmo,Kingsley Coman,Omar Marmoush,Nico Williams are all potentially available this window.I would take ANY of them to improve our attack.Any of them.
No pleasing some.The mousers dropped points at home to a poor manure who they were expected to give a spanking.We dropped points in an away fixture at a far better side than Manure ,Brighton.zIll take the positive,naturally.
Brighton are in 10th, 12 point behind us and are on dreadful form over their last 8 or so games. Yes how happy we should be to get a draw against them!
I see under Pedro's tweet someone commented on how Liverpool had Szobo out (illness and will probably be back for next game) and it was Konate's first game after a long while.
These motherfuckers have no idea what having injuries is.
I know next to zero about their new manager but if he’s even close to being as good as some say he is, United have plenty of talent to cause anyone problems on any given day.
There’s winning on a good day, which any EPL team can pull off, and there’s what United did to Pool yesterday because they have talent.
Don’t pretend for a moment in the event they knocked us out on Sunday, you wouldn’t go through their line up pointing out all their international players.
This is more than a job for him. He is a scouser. He is weighing leaving for the biggest club in world football or staying at a place he grew up in.
Footballers lose their heads all the time due to transfer speculation and offers. Remember Sadio Berahino? Remember Alexis Sanchez laughing on our bench when we were losing after dropping a stinker? Just say you haven't watched football.
It will be interesting to see where the fan base is on Arteta come the end of the season if we fail in our pursuit of the league/CL and don't even have a consolation cup to fall back on.
That would be 5.5 years and a sole FA Cup trophy to show for it despite serious investment.
I'd let him go if we won nothing eagle but Arteta will be here another 5 years whether he wins anything or not, it's Arsenal, hardly any pressure on him. He's got us competitive again which is great but he's won nothing with his own squad and you can also give him credit for improving our best players in Saka and Saliba and Gabriel as well but these were all here when he came in, his own signings have been nothing short of a waste if you ask me
It's a tricky one because we've been much improved from the Emery days and the late Wenger ones albeit it took a long time and a lot of investment for Arteta to achieve that.
However on paper we've won fuck all and at the end of the day that is the only thing which people remember and really matters.
I'd struggle to name you every PL runner up since the 90s for a reason.
I don't think he'd be in sacking territory but next season would be it, you cannot go 6.5 years winning nothing.
The biggest knock on Arteta for me is that he has never outperformed his circumstances to date.
I mean by that beating the odds.
His loyalists can point to referees decisions in the EPL with some traction, but his European failures are hard to defend.
If his greatness , according to Pedro, hinges on having the most expensively assembled squad in Europe( another three top shelf signings), then not much of a greatness to me.
Funny Utd doing us a solid, I still think it's pretty much over but you never know.
I have no doubt that Pool will drop points here and there but so will we. Us being 9-10 points better than them for the rest of the season without our best attacker in Saka is the part I find too far-fetched to get my hopes up again for inevitable heartbreak.
Chief I think you’re gonna be unpleasantly surprised. Liverpool had the final nail in the coffin and missed the mark. They haven’t even gone through a dip yet and it will come
I love reading ‘another call you’ll never see given again’ takes from Arsenal fans, as if the fouls we get penalized for happen on the reg and are let go.
It’s been three years since Martinelli’s dumb as shit double foul vs wolves he got two yellows for.
How many similar actions by a player have we seen since?
did I see a player trying to block a throw in and then making a standard foul and being sent off? no
have I seen instances when a player committed two offenses that can end up in two yellows? yes I have, just take broja everton against us. around the 85th minute he made s foul, got the ball in his hands, waits till the ref whistles and reaches to his pocket and he throws the ball away. and I bet you have seen multiple instances of players trying to foul for tactical reasons, advantage played by the ref and the same player made a foul in the same sequence.
I wanna point out as well that we have heard back then this will happen regularly as oliver was the first and opened it up for others. bullsh*t
same as leo needs to get sent off irrelevant of the game and having arguments weeks later why gvardiols foul on hojlund is ‚not enough to be given in a game lile that‘
I know you want to point out that we shouldn‘t focus on refs but it is hard as they are soooo bad
you are right to avoid stupidity but it isn‘t as others don‘t do stupid things like kicking the ball away in frustation when on a booking (szoboslai) or making dumb penalty fouls against weaker opponents in close games (kelleher). the problem is we are penalized for it every time while pool or city don‘t. you can‘t eliminate all of it and as long as we are penalized while others don‘t we have a 4,5 points handicap
Looks like its TR7 as dof is it?
Dunno what to make of it
Regarding the CC semis today……
It was never the intention of management to take the cups seriously. Think about it. Our second keeper is cup tied. So the logic behind acquiring a cup tied keeper on the last day of transfers can only have been….
“
A: our first choice is Raya, however, other keepers are way too green, so let’s get a backup
B: Wait, we’re too late, can only get Neto
A: he’s cup tied though
B: yah but who TF takes those seriously
“
Similarly, let’s think about the logic behind selling ESR, loaning Fabio, and having Ethan as back up to Odergard. That conversation can only have played out as…
“
A: don’t think ESR and Fabio are competent
B: Okay, let’s plan an exit for them
A: Hey great work, sold ESR, loaned Fabio. Great. Okay, now what about the backup for Ode
B: I mean, we have Ethan
A: he’s very raw, we’ll bed him in slowly. And Ode never really gets injured does he. We’ll play Ethan in the cups (don’t give AF about them anyway) and again, Ode never really gets injured does he
”
This is not a serious set up !
How many chances did we create yesterday that needed a striker to bury?
https://understat.com/match/26794
Jesus got 2 good chances against Brighton - 0.50 and 0.29 xG.
That's 0.79 xG missed out of our 1.81 xG total. That's quite a high number to not score a goal but not unusual.
Sam C
A host of Premier League clubs have been offered Vlahović.... 👀
_______________________________________________
I'd rather we not sign anyone than get Vlahovic.
Better than anything we have for that postion so not sure what you're turning your nose away from
We've already started the TW on the wrong foot. We need a striker and/or a winger on a short term loan but we're looking at the wrong places. Who places a loan bid for a Brazilian in the Brazilian league? Muani is waiting for a loan, we don't seem to be aware of that. Olmo's contract has been mishandled by Barca, we don't seem interested. All the noise is about a Cunha that might soon sign a new deal at Wolves and our perennially linked players like the PSG winger whatever his name is. I'm expecting us to place 50mil o the table for Cunha by transfer deadline to say we tried once again.
We need a DOF more than any other club in the whole world.
‘Liverpool created more xG against Man Utd today (3.01) than when they beat them 7-0 (2.91)’
I saw the above tweet after Pools United draw.
Not sure if correct. Where are my xG nerds?
I guess they had an unbelievable finishing when they won 7-0.
Scoring 2 goals out of 3 xG is quite standard.
Scoring 7 out of 3 xG is nuts.
Yesterday the xG was:
Liverpool (2.86) 2 - 2 (1.67) Manchester United
When we faced Manure a month ago:
Arsenal (2.97) 2 - 0 (0.26) Manchester United
A bit unlucky for Liverpool not to win if we're looking at the xG but not too unlucky.
They got similarly unlucky to us:
Arsenal (2.42) 2 - 2 (1.82) Brighton (10v11)
Newcastle (0.86) 1 - 0 (0.91) Arsenal
Chelsea (1.24) 1 - 1 (1.96) Arsenal
Arsenal (1.31) 0 - 0 (0.13) Everton
And the Brighton game when they supposedly deserved the draw except that we somehow had almost 2x their xG without the never-seen-before penalty kick - 1.01 to 1.81 in our favor.
Fulham (0.15) 1 - 1 (2.43) Arsenal
Now, that's severely unlucky.
xG values from different sources can be pretty different so hard to take it that literally
For the Brighton game you were citing sources as us on close to 2xG whereas Skysports reported us as 0.8xG
Can we take a moment to acknowledge that the odds of Liverpool drawing all 3 times we we did in the last 6 weeks must have been exceptionally unlikely.
That means we have been extremely lucky.
Or do we only comment on luck when we feel it goes against us? Please advise
Extremely lucky how? The team everyone's been hyping up to the heavens is not as good as everyone wrongly assumed? Easier schedule seems to have been a valid thing (as repeated many times). They are literally full strength and are drawing with teams that have a pulse.
We're so lucky to have been given once in a lifetime red cards, once in a lifetime penalties against us + having our best player out injured in the next months, our captain injured for 2 months, our newest signing out for a month, about 6 full backs out for months (White, Tomiyasu, Zinchenko, Tierney, Calafiori, Timber), and Liverpool still needed two of our defenders (Gabriel and Timber) to get injured during our game + our goal being disallowed + Saliba suspension to draw with us.
Salah has played in every single game
Van Dijk has played in every single game
Trent has missed 1 game
Gravenberch has played every single game
Gakpo has played every single game
Mac Allister has missed 1 game (yellow cards)
Szoboszlai has missed 2 games (yellow + illness today)
Diaz has missed 1 game (benched)
Nunez has missed 1 game (illness)
Robertson has missed 1 game (benched)
Jones has missed 2 games
The only players that have missed any games really have been Alisson (6 weeks), Konate (4 weeks), Elliott (reserve CM), Jota (reserve forward), Chiesa (reserve to Salah).
Other than Alisson and Konate out injured (both are back now), tell me what has gone wrong for Liverpool so far in the 5 months of the campaign cause I can write you an essay about Arsenal's "extreme luck".
Three best players out of contract surely has to be what derails their season.
Salah taking yacht trips mid season.
Trent secretly meeting with Don Carlo.
VVD ……..well, not sure what he’s up to , but it’s got to be something too
That's true. It's a bit self inflicted having literally your 3 best players running their contracts down with the club at the same time.
Similar to how we decided to keep our crocks (Tomi, Zina, Jesus) and even add another one (Calafiori).
It’s very far from widely agreed that the fixture list is unfair.
What has happened is we started the season slowly so it was blamed on us having lots of difficult away games (even tho that means later we’ll have more easier and homes games…)
Then we got to one of the most congested, difficult periods of the season at Christmas and sure enough we have an easier set of fixtures than our rivals. Go figure. But people went quiet on that because we still managed to drop points 3 times.
They've visited exactly 2/9 top 10 teams in their 19 PL games played.
Arsenal - 2-2 Gabriel and Timber got injured during the game + suspended Saliba + a legit goal was taken from us.
Newcastle - 3-3.
That's it. Of the top 10, they've still got visits to Forest (who beat them away), Chavs, City, Bournemouth, Fulham, Villa, Brighton.
For us, we've played away to 7/9 top 10 teams. We've visited Chavs, City, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Fulham, Villa, Brighton.
We've still got to visit Liverpool and Forest.
I bet you'll have a follow up to straight up facts regarding how Pool's first half of the season wasn't easier than ours.
I haven't said it's unfair although now I will mention it as they were allowed to gain momentum and belief by having easier 1st part of the season. Getting wins after wins at the start is important as it's really tough to play under pressure while chasing the 1st placed team when you know you have no other option but to win.
I said "Easier schedule seems to have been a valid thing" in regard to how they were called a winning machine and people have been overhyping the shit out of them. 2/9 visits to top 10 clubs (0 wins) compared to our 7/9 visits confirms that their schedule has indeed been easier. Facts.
"we started the season slowly" aka we were on course to beat Brighton, City and Liverpool and have 11 wins in 14 games but the refs had a different idea and turned wins into draws. Agreed.
With this is you'd now expect pool to have a much harder second half of the season if this is the logic while we have a smoother run at it, obviously looking forward to how that pans out, hopefully in our favor
That's the logic, yes. We'll see how it goes.
It’s not logic it’s a fact and exactly why the schedule against us line is a BS lie
If the earlier matches are harder the later matches are easier. It’s THAT simple. That IS fair
If Liverpool have enjoyed the fruits of an easy start to the season then they will be punished with a hard end. It’s THAT SIMPLE
If we had a hard start we have an easy finish. There’s nothing else to discuss on this nonsense.
And people ignoring that we had an easy Christmas period compared with basically all our rivals because that doesn’t fit in the narrative is pathetic
Gosh surey this victimhood stick has to get boring at some stage for you doesn't it? I mean the past two seasons bar the Saliba injury, we have been pretty lucky on the injury front and yet didn't win anything so what's with this constant need to be the victim and come off like other teams don't suffer adversity and deal with it
Raps is obviously a fucking genius.
He alone figured out injuries are detrimental to a successful season campaign.
How are we lucky when we haven’t clawed back any of the points despite their stutter, the burden is on us, not otherwise.
It’s no wonder rival fans love making fun of gooners
This is like a boxing match where one fighter is ahead on points and just has to avoid a K.O. until the fight is over.
They are 6 points ahead with a game in hand, that’s 3 games ahead as buffer. Then you consider the +7GD
They were relaxed today because they can’t feel any hint of pressure from us or anyone else.
If that’s luck on our side then god help us all
Depending on Liverpool to drop points 3 times in their last 6 odd matches and it happening just so we can stay 6 points back on a game more AND IT ACTUALLY HAPPENING is the literal definition of luck
FML
A kind reminder if Liverpool hadn’t bailed us out on even just a couple of those 3 matches we’d be finished in the race
We are hanging on by an absolute thread and can only catch them by winning points when they drop them and matching them elsewhere. Instead we match them elsewhere and match them when they drop points, keeping ourselves eternally on PL title life support and never making inroads or being put out of our misery
It would appear the likes of Danni Olmo,Kingsley Coman,Omar Marmoush,Nico Williams are all potentially available this window.I would take ANY of them to improve our attack.Any of them.
Kingsley coman is a crock
No pleasing some.The mousers dropped points at home to a poor manure who they were expected to give a spanking.We dropped points in an away fixture at a far better side than Manure ,Brighton.zIll take the positive,naturally.
Brighton are in 10th, 12 point behind us and are on dreadful form over their last 8 or so games. Yes how happy we should be to get a draw against them!
I see under Pedro's tweet someone commented on how Liverpool had Szobo out (illness and will probably be back for next game) and it was Konate's first game after a long while.
These motherfuckers have no idea what having injuries is.
Rap, total jokers man. 7 days rest, the most in form team in the world, vs the worst ever United... and they choked.
Careful now, we play that worst team shortly.
God forbid they should find form and turn into a decent, dare I say, chock full of international stars side.
We beat them 2-0 in December Tom, FA Cup is not the same
I know next to zero about their new manager but if he’s even close to being as good as some say he is, United have plenty of talent to cause anyone problems on any given day.
'any team can win on a good day'
Thanks, Tom.
There’s winning on a good day, which any EPL team can pull off, and there’s what United did to Pool yesterday because they have talent.
Don’t pretend for a moment in the event they knocked us out on Sunday, you wouldn’t go through their line up pointing out all their international players.
You know you would Pedro
There is still a chance man u helped us out
Trent had an almighty stinker. That is what having your best players on the last year of their deal does.
Jesus, Trent is a risk taker type player, on both ends of the pitch.
I couldn’t think of a better candidate for a stinker of a game in freezing rain than him.
How did VVD do ?
Also in his last year.
Can you make an effort to sound less dumb?
VVD didn't have an offer a week ago though. That is the difference. Others can turn your player's head.
He’s leaving.
It was one game in icy slick conditions you drama queen.
Salah was poor too, another risk taker type.
Was he offered a deal from somewhere we need to know about.
When Trent has another stinker in the next game or two I’ll send you your flowers
Yes, another lucrative job offer usually makes professional people shit the bed.
Makes sense.
"Professional"
Such a stupid argument.
This is more than a job for him. He is a scouser. He is weighing leaving for the biggest club in world football or staying at a place he grew up in.
Footballers lose their heads all the time due to transfer speculation and offers. Remember Sadio Berahino? Remember Alexis Sanchez laughing on our bench when we were losing after dropping a stinker? Just say you haven't watched football.
It will be interesting to see where the fan base is on Arteta come the end of the season if we fail in our pursuit of the league/CL and don't even have a consolation cup to fall back on.
That would be 5.5 years and a sole FA Cup trophy to show for it despite serious investment.
Klopp in that time frame had a PL and CL title.
I'd let him go if we won nothing eagle but Arteta will be here another 5 years whether he wins anything or not, it's Arsenal, hardly any pressure on him. He's got us competitive again which is great but he's won nothing with his own squad and you can also give him credit for improving our best players in Saka and Saliba and Gabriel as well but these were all here when he came in, his own signings have been nothing short of a waste if you ask me
What do you think?
I personally would give him one last shot at it. But I understand some wanting it to be over.
It's a tricky one because we've been much improved from the Emery days and the late Wenger ones albeit it took a long time and a lot of investment for Arteta to achieve that.
However on paper we've won fuck all and at the end of the day that is the only thing which people remember and really matters.
I'd struggle to name you every PL runner up since the 90s for a reason.
I don't think he'd be in sacking territory but next season would be it, you cannot go 6.5 years winning nothing.
It won’t matter WEagle.
He’s not going anywhere.
Spot on.
As long as Arteta is top 4 Kroenke Sr (and Jr) will keep him on.
Worrying to say the least as managers who get sacked allow them to think through their philosophy and perfect it.
Agreed Tom but this period of success we were seemingly in for could be more barren than the last half decade under Wenger.
And Wenger didn't spend much, Arteta cannot say that. I'd guess we've spent the same or even more than Liverpool did to assemble that Klopp team.
The whole Artera Klopp comparo was always silly.
One was a complete novice taking over a big club , the other an established manager with a winning track record.
Arteta’s FA cup trophy gave the debate some legs for awhile but that’s about it.
The biggest knock on Arteta for me is that he has never outperformed his circumstances to date.
I mean by that beating the odds.
His loyalists can point to referees decisions in the EPL with some traction, but his European failures are hard to defend.
If his greatness , according to Pedro, hinges on having the most expensively assembled squad in Europe( another three top shelf signings), then not much of a greatness to me.
Klopp had a CL final in his third season as well.
Had Arteta done that, as he had planned when signed Willian, very few would’ve been talking about replacing him.
Funny Utd doing us a solid, I still think it's pretty much over but you never know.
I have no doubt that Pool will drop points here and there but so will we. Us being 9-10 points better than them for the rest of the season without our best attacker in Saka is the part I find too far-fetched to get my hopes up again for inevitable heartbreak.
The only way I can see us turning this around is adding 2 quality forwards before the window closes and beating both Spurs and Villa at home.
If we do that, there is a chance with Liverpool going to a lot of tough away grounds. But the margin of error has become 0 now if it wasn't already.
Chief I think you’re gonna be unpleasantly surprised. Liverpool had the final nail in the coffin and missed the mark. They haven’t even gone through a dip yet and it will come
What is the sense of talking about Liverpool points if we just don't have creative players that will win matches?
last year we hit highest numbers in points, goals scored. we have the same points as last year and scored two goals more ?and conceded 2 less)
Last year we had Bukayo Saka fit and Odegaard in form, who could both open up defences. Now we are left only with hopes of Odegaard finding his form.
I love reading ‘another call you’ll never see given again’ takes from Arsenal fans, as if the fouls we get penalized for happen on the reg and are let go.
It’s been three years since Martinelli’s dumb as shit double foul vs wolves he got two yellows for.
How many similar actions by a player have we seen since?
Zero.
tom
did I see a player trying to block a throw in and then making a standard foul and being sent off? no
have I seen instances when a player committed two offenses that can end up in two yellows? yes I have, just take broja everton against us. around the 85th minute he made s foul, got the ball in his hands, waits till the ref whistles and reaches to his pocket and he throws the ball away. and I bet you have seen multiple instances of players trying to foul for tactical reasons, advantage played by the ref and the same player made a foul in the same sequence.
I wanna point out as well that we have heard back then this will happen regularly as oliver was the first and opened it up for others. bullsh*t
same as leo needs to get sent off irrelevant of the game and having arguments weeks later why gvardiols foul on hojlund is ‚not enough to be given in a game lile that‘
I know you want to point out that we shouldn‘t focus on refs but it is hard as they are soooo bad
Are you suggesting Broja should’ve got two yellows for delay of game on one play?
That’s asking a lot even from this bunch of EPL misfits.
Focus on refs , by all means, but also avoid stupid actions whenever you can.
Trossard could’ve gotten his second yellow for barging into Silva.
could have, but didn‘t
you are right to avoid stupidity but it isn‘t as others don‘t do stupid things like kicking the ball away in frustation when on a booking (szoboslai) or making dumb penalty fouls against weaker opponents in close games (kelleher). the problem is we are penalized for it every time while pool or city don‘t. you can‘t eliminate all of it and as long as we are penalized while others don‘t we have a 4,5 points handicap