I am waiting to watch this Arsenal team play a free-flowing game like the way we played in the ‘08 to ‘11. Oh! How i miss those moves. the beauty of one-touch has vanished from Arsenal.
3 losses in 5 games for the Hammers. Their owners hiring Lopetegui and that German director Steinden must be really proud of themselves. Pissed their money up the wall in the process as well.
God this Loptegui guy is such a fraud. How does he keep getting jobs? Spain national team, Real madrid, Sevilla, Wolves, and now Westham. All of them have ended in a short period with disasters.
I saw him drop a disaster class in the world cup or copa America for Argentina. I couldn't believe my eyes that he was a professional footballer. Enzo Fernandez benched him after that.
It's incredible how West Ham spent about £130m this summer and downgraded their team. Absolutely stunningly shit business by them. They loaned players to spend a truck of money on worse replacements.
I'm looking at their German director, the guy responsible for this fiasco and waiting to see how many places they drop from last season's finish.
Summerville's their only good buy.
A 10000% penalty in West Ham's favor not given. The PL is a joke.
I don't think they spent poorly apart from Fulkrug and that free signing rodriguez. Wan bissaka at 15m is good business for them. Todibo is good, and Kilman is a good player as well.
I am looking at that manager for me. He has been shit at a few clubs now. I don't know if he warranted getting that job. They would have been much better off with Graham Potter.
Straight loan (no option) for Aguerd (£0m), straight loan Zouma (£0m) and end of contract.
About £75m and not even an upgrade?!
Wan Bissaka in, Ben Johnson out (free transfer).
30 yo Guido Rodríguez in, Ward-Prowse out - loan with no option even.
I said Cornet and Benrahma out for Summerville is good and they have the random Brazilian who might be good eventually.
I'm not even going to open my mouth about that old German CF with 0 minutes in the Prem and who's already injured for almost £30m when Eddie was available and would have probably preferred them to the other London clubs.
Ward Prowse was very good for them. Now they have a 30 yo Guido. Downgraded.
Aguerd was one of their best players. Gone as well.
So much money spent for just 1 upgrade on the wings. They be pissing their money up the wall. Steinden is the fella...
Ben Johnson 😂😂😂 that guy is shit. Wan Bissaka might not be elite but he is twice the player. I guess you didn't watch Aguerd and Zouma last season. They were disastrous. They shipped in so many goals. Kilman is an upgrade on Zouma and Todibo will be an upgrade on Aguerd as well. They have better players in defense than last season.
I have seen that Rodriguez guy play before and he is shit. I agree with you on that. I would much rather have ward-prowse. I am thinking Fulkrug isn't a good longterm investment but it might workout in the shor term. We are still 5 games in to the season.
Bro, did you see the high line they got caught with for that Palmer third goal? The coaching is shit. they have better personnel. But I don't even know if this Lopetegui guy is an upgrade on moyes. It is idiotic to say other circumstances haven't changed. Conte won the PL with the same players that finished 10th. They have a better squad but they might have a worse coach.
Without Ode, Mike might want to play Saka in the middle more, and opt for Marti and Sterling as wingers -
And Id like to see Nwaneri. We threw a 16 year old Cesc into the fire and see what happened. I hope Nwaneri gets mins against city. Another baller is M'Hand. I hope Mike bleeds them in a lot this season
The biggest problems we have in this squad revolve around the absence of a pacy ball carrier through the middle … Rice is a unit but he can’t progress the ball through the lines like a Viera, Yaya or a Kessie in their pomp.
Funny thing was that a young Partey was pretty adept at that.
We also lack that on the wings. I see how Doku changes the game whenever he replaces Grealish or Silva on the wings.
He runs at defenses and routinely breaks down low blocks. While his end product is lacking, his impact is readily observable..
It’s the obvious miss in our roster and one that will help our transition from laying deep on defense to springing quick counter attacks.
If, as has been suggested, we do not have Odegaard back for three months, we can forget the chance of the League title. There is no-one to create chances and our wingers will be required to play more conservatively as in the past two matches. Fot all people defending out "tactics" last night, this was typical of Arteta away in Europe where our form last season and last night was ordinary- virtually no chances created at all. Remember Porto away, no shots on target the whole game. Arteta has six players who can play left back, but only one who can play as a 10 with any effect, Odeagaard. Havertz and Trossard are incapable of doing so. This is squad negligence of the highest order and will come back to haunt us. Also, Jesus and Sterling are has-beens, the last lauded as someone who is "hungry" and desperate to be reunited with Arteta. Shame, he's a busted flush who hasn't been able to finish for about three seaons now. Arteta has history in squad negligence- three years ago he removed all players who he didn't like or were no longer good enough ( Sokratis, Torrreira, AMN Guendouzi etc). Fine, but no replacements meant we were short in the run-in and ended up 5th. Two seasons ago, he considered the cripple Holding was ok as a Saliba replacement; did not consider Kiwior until it was too late. The latter started with Gabriel away at Newcastle and we won, despite Arteta's concerns at having two left-footed central defenders, which was why he stayed with Holding for so long! No, this manager has a lot to learn still.
I see people talking a lot about our attack. Anyone that saw the game last night and thought our attack is our biggest problem isn't seeing the game the in detail. Sure some of our forwards are seriously off form (Martinelli and Jesus in particular), but what we are severley lacking is midfield balance.
We are back to having the 6's and the forwards in midfield. RIce, Jorginho and Partey all are better playing deeper, while Havertz and Trossard are better closer to goal. We are missing the 8 and we are missing the 10. There is no connection or linkup that is good enough to break through a team like Atalanta or spurs at the weekend. All we get is one or two clear cut chances at best. After City, we need to throw in Nwaneri to achieve that balance because at least he is an attacking midfielder and he has shown he can knit things together.
You are right about us not pressing as high so far because we are lacking physical attributes in Partey and Jorginho. But we rarely look fluid when Odegaard isn't there these days.
Part of the reason we played fluid football and were winning games with Xhaka, Partey and Odegaard plus Zinchenko inverting was the midfield balance. We haven't quite looked the same or as brilliant since Xhaka left. We were smashing teams in a run last season at one point with Jorginho and Rice at the base, but we were an aggressive team rather than a team to really watch playing sexy football. We can still have that back and win games along with it. But we really need Merino and Odegaard back ASAP.
Having referees against us and perma crock players has become part of Arsenals DNA. It all started because of that cunt Fergi who used to bend and twist the FA / referees as per his will and discretion. One also needs to note that it started post retirement of arsenals very English back 4 (Adam’s et al). The “foreign” manager and his “continental and black players” were looked at as having a soft underbelly.
Note: fucking racist FA
This resulted in referees ignoring some truly horrible challenges at Arsenal players, with certain players like Pires and Rayes really having to deal with a lot of bad challenges. But things came to a boil when Arsene was trying to develop this new team of young players. And we lost player after player to horrible challenges.
Dan Smith on Abou Diaby
Ryan Shawcross on Aaron Ramsey
Martin Taylor on Eduardo
There were other numerous horrible challenges and tackles on Walcott, Rosicky, Persi, and we started developing this reputation for soft players and perma crocks. At one point we would have RVP, Rosicky, Diaby, Wilshere, Gibbs, Walcott, Vermaelen, Gallas, all very frequently injured from that era.
Arteta has changed a lot about our culture. And he now needs to address this one more aspect of our club. He needs us as a club to be voice which is revered and respected. We need to have the FA be biased for us, rather than against us. We need to lose injury prone players. For the first, we need to have more English players. FA / England / football in general are all massively racist and the only way to deal with it is have more English players. Who don’t mind getting “stuck in”.
Then we need more robust players as otherwise, if you have a reputation as a soft team who generally has a lot of injured players, the janta would assume our players are generally brittle, rather than give due consideration to opposition being overly aggressive if and when a player would get injured. I mean today, if Jesus gets injured again due to a bad tackle, people would mostly assume that he’s just a weak guy who tends to get injured rather than giving due consideration to the bad tackle.
I am waiting to watch this Arsenal team play a free-flowing game like the way we played in the ‘08 to ‘11. Oh! How i miss those moves. the beauty of one-touch has vanished from Arsenal.
Ward-Prowse with 7 goals, 11 assists last season, wanted gone by the duo at West Ham. In his place, a bunch of duds. They must be having a laugh.
Maybe this Soler fella from PSG is decent but why would he not be starting ahead of Guido?
3 losses in 5 games for the Hammers. Their owners hiring Lopetegui and that German director Steinden must be really proud of themselves. Pissed their money up the wall in the process as well.
God this Loptegui guy is such a fraud. How does he keep getting jobs? Spain national team, Real madrid, Sevilla, Wolves, and now Westham. All of them have ended in a short period with disasters.
Bob
“Observer rhymes with stirrer, coincidence? I think not!“
Fuck me Bob, good thing you don’t write poetry or song lyrics.
Spitting bars off the dome!
Guido Rodriguez taken out after 30 minutes. They loaned Ward-Prowse to get this guy? Bahahaha...
Btw, that penalty not given is a horrible, horrible decision. I'd be pissing of my ass if that was Arsenal v Chavs.
I saw him drop a disaster class in the world cup or copa America for Argentina. I couldn't believe my eyes that he was a professional footballer. Enzo Fernandez benched him after that.
It's incredible how West Ham spent about £130m this summer and downgraded their team. Absolutely stunningly shit business by them. They loaned players to spend a truck of money on worse replacements.
I'm looking at their German director, the guy responsible for this fiasco and waiting to see how many places they drop from last season's finish.
Summerville's their only good buy.
A 10000% penalty in West Ham's favor not given. The PL is a joke.
I don't think they spent poorly apart from Fulkrug and that free signing rodriguez. Wan bissaka at 15m is good business for them. Todibo is good, and Kilman is a good player as well.
I am looking at that manager for me. He has been shit at a few clubs now. I don't know if he warranted getting that job. They would have been much better off with Graham Potter.
Kilman and Todibo in.
Aguerd and Zouma out.
£40m on Kilman, £34m on Todibo.
Straight loan (no option) for Aguerd (£0m), straight loan Zouma (£0m) and end of contract.
About £75m and not even an upgrade?!
Wan Bissaka in, Ben Johnson out (free transfer).
30 yo Guido Rodríguez in, Ward-Prowse out - loan with no option even.
I said Cornet and Benrahma out for Summerville is good and they have the random Brazilian who might be good eventually.
I'm not even going to open my mouth about that old German CF with 0 minutes in the Prem and who's already injured for almost £30m when Eddie was available and would have probably preferred them to the other London clubs.
Ward Prowse was very good for them. Now they have a 30 yo Guido. Downgraded.
Aguerd was one of their best players. Gone as well.
So much money spent for just 1 upgrade on the wings. They be pissing their money up the wall. Steinden is the fella...
Ben Johnson 😂😂😂 that guy is shit. Wan Bissaka might not be elite but he is twice the player. I guess you didn't watch Aguerd and Zouma last season. They were disastrous. They shipped in so many goals. Kilman is an upgrade on Zouma and Todibo will be an upgrade on Aguerd as well. They have better players in defense than last season.
I have seen that Rodriguez guy play before and he is shit. I agree with you on that. I would much rather have ward-prowse. I am thinking Fulkrug isn't a good longterm investment but it might workout in the shor term. We are still 5 games in to the season.
Yeah, 5 games in but every game matters.
That upgrade on their defence is looking real good. 3 losses in 5 games. 4 points. Holy shit...
Bro, did you see the high line they got caught with for that Palmer third goal? The coaching is shit. they have better personnel. But I don't even know if this Lopetegui guy is an upgrade on moyes. It is idiotic to say other circumstances haven't changed. Conte won the PL with the same players that finished 10th. They have a better squad but they might have a worse coach.
There are 2 types of knowledge, paid and for free.
Professional and amateur..
Without Ode, Mike might want to play Saka in the middle more, and opt for Marti and Sterling as wingers -
And Id like to see Nwaneri. We threw a 16 year old Cesc into the fire and see what happened. I hope Nwaneri gets mins against city. Another baller is M'Hand. I hope Mike bleeds them in a lot this season
or Sterling in the middle Saka wing. we need better movement in that final third
All of Wengers mids could create. Its why they were pure money to watch. Even Song
The biggest problems we have in this squad revolve around the absence of a pacy ball carrier through the middle … Rice is a unit but he can’t progress the ball through the lines like a Viera, Yaya or a Kessie in their pomp.
Funny thing was that a young Partey was pretty adept at that.
We also lack that on the wings. I see how Doku changes the game whenever he replaces Grealish or Silva on the wings.
He runs at defenses and routinely breaks down low blocks. While his end product is lacking, his impact is readily observable..
It’s the obvious miss in our roster and one that will help our transition from laying deep on defense to springing quick counter attacks.
Hopes it’s addressed in January …
I expect a defensive set up as usual against City and a smash and grab style win (maybe)
a draw I would take.
I think KDB plays. We need to assume he is gonna be there.
If, as has been suggested, we do not have Odegaard back for three months, we can forget the chance of the League title. There is no-one to create chances and our wingers will be required to play more conservatively as in the past two matches. Fot all people defending out "tactics" last night, this was typical of Arteta away in Europe where our form last season and last night was ordinary- virtually no chances created at all. Remember Porto away, no shots on target the whole game. Arteta has six players who can play left back, but only one who can play as a 10 with any effect, Odeagaard. Havertz and Trossard are incapable of doing so. This is squad negligence of the highest order and will come back to haunt us. Also, Jesus and Sterling are has-beens, the last lauded as someone who is "hungry" and desperate to be reunited with Arteta. Shame, he's a busted flush who hasn't been able to finish for about three seaons now. Arteta has history in squad negligence- three years ago he removed all players who he didn't like or were no longer good enough ( Sokratis, Torrreira, AMN Guendouzi etc). Fine, but no replacements meant we were short in the run-in and ended up 5th. Two seasons ago, he considered the cripple Holding was ok as a Saliba replacement; did not consider Kiwior until it was too late. The latter started with Gabriel away at Newcastle and we won, despite Arteta's concerns at having two left-footed central defenders, which was why he stayed with Holding for so long! No, this manager has a lot to learn still.
I dunno. Maybe go back to bed and pull the covers over your head?
Trouble with you Arteta disciples is the truth hurts doesn't it? But thanks for your learned and well thought-out response.
More a considerate response. Seemed like you were out over your skis-- and were looking for somber advice. A cry for help as it were.
And it's OK. Your truth isn't hurtful if it makes me giggle a little.
No doubt you're like Wenger who once said "Give me 2nd every season and I'll take it." Keep giggling at the truth, what a loser........
Deep breaths. Slow, deep breaths.
(In through the nose, out through the mouth...)
What you do in your spare time is your own business,.
The thing is that without Øde we look rather Mourinhoesque, however without the blunt force of a Drogba upfront
I see people talking a lot about our attack. Anyone that saw the game last night and thought our attack is our biggest problem isn't seeing the game the in detail. Sure some of our forwards are seriously off form (Martinelli and Jesus in particular), but what we are severley lacking is midfield balance.
We are back to having the 6's and the forwards in midfield. RIce, Jorginho and Partey all are better playing deeper, while Havertz and Trossard are better closer to goal. We are missing the 8 and we are missing the 10. There is no connection or linkup that is good enough to break through a team like Atalanta or spurs at the weekend. All we get is one or two clear cut chances at best. After City, we need to throw in Nwaneri to achieve that balance because at least he is an attacking midfielder and he has shown he can knit things together.
You are right about us not pressing as high so far because we are lacking physical attributes in Partey and Jorginho. But we rarely look fluid when Odegaard isn't there these days.
Part of the reason we played fluid football and were winning games with Xhaka, Partey and Odegaard plus Zinchenko inverting was the midfield balance. We haven't quite looked the same or as brilliant since Xhaka left. We were smashing teams in a run last season at one point with Jorginho and Rice at the base, but we were an aggressive team rather than a team to really watch playing sexy football. We can still have that back and win games along with it. But we really need Merino and Odegaard back ASAP.
Having referees against us and perma crock players has become part of Arsenals DNA. It all started because of that cunt Fergi who used to bend and twist the FA / referees as per his will and discretion. One also needs to note that it started post retirement of arsenals very English back 4 (Adam’s et al). The “foreign” manager and his “continental and black players” were looked at as having a soft underbelly.
Note: fucking racist FA
This resulted in referees ignoring some truly horrible challenges at Arsenal players, with certain players like Pires and Rayes really having to deal with a lot of bad challenges. But things came to a boil when Arsene was trying to develop this new team of young players. And we lost player after player to horrible challenges.
Dan Smith on Abou Diaby
Ryan Shawcross on Aaron Ramsey
Martin Taylor on Eduardo
There were other numerous horrible challenges and tackles on Walcott, Rosicky, Persi, and we started developing this reputation for soft players and perma crocks. At one point we would have RVP, Rosicky, Diaby, Wilshere, Gibbs, Walcott, Vermaelen, Gallas, all very frequently injured from that era.
Arteta has changed a lot about our culture. And he now needs to address this one more aspect of our club. He needs us as a club to be voice which is revered and respected. We need to have the FA be biased for us, rather than against us. We need to lose injury prone players. For the first, we need to have more English players. FA / England / football in general are all massively racist and the only way to deal with it is have more English players. Who don’t mind getting “stuck in”.
Then we need more robust players as otherwise, if you have a reputation as a soft team who generally has a lot of injured players, the janta would assume our players are generally brittle, rather than give due consideration to opposition being overly aggressive if and when a player would get injured. I mean today, if Jesus gets injured again due to a bad tackle, people would mostly assume that he’s just a weak guy who tends to get injured rather than giving due consideration to the bad tackle.