To make the 433 work, you need to have such quality in midfield where off the ball movement is like second nature. Even Pool go with a 4231 at times. The issue is that their 4 attackers are world class and have free reign to create and cause chaos. In fact most of their attackers are always moving into dangerous positions to get the ball. We still do not have that. We still play u shape attack outside the box. However against Brentford I was happy to see we were attacking inside the box a lot more! But overall, the 433 can hinder you if you do not have the personnel to make it work. Its very specific and requires a lot of off the ball movement. City a few years back and current Pool... Overall, a player like Diaz, or someone in midfield like a Guler, or Olmo can really make a huge difference with creating
Ode really needs to be paired in the middle with another creative mid. He cannot do this alone all the time. Someone who can dribble like a demon, take on players and lead a break down the center. Who is that ball carrying midfielder? guler, olmo, wirtz, someone like this! A santi or sanchez type dribbler!
Cyril I do still go, will be there on Tuesday too. I was born in Islington so went there as a boy with my uncle and dad in the 70s, we moved out in the 80s and I only went regularly when I became an adult late 80s, I am in my 50s now.
Like I said our play has regressed this season and it's bloody expensive to go these days.
I actually think there is a lack of star quality in football now. Players have to be athletes first and foremost now. Even 20 years ago every team had a top quality player. Players like le tissier would never make it now.
Football is a commodity and a lot of us fans are being priced out.
I tried to remember a game or an instance we won or had a real advantage of due to a ref decision. I am totally aware that you remind decisions you are hard done by easier but nevertheless … funnily I remember two instances, both against pool. one where ode was off balance and got on the ball with his hand in the penalty box and one where gabriel committed a foul on salah in the 95 or 96 minute in the box
I do remember an awful lot of decisions going against us - I am not talking about forgetting to draw lines or the like. I talk about 50:50, 60:40 decisions that seem to be never going our way
now I don‘t want to blame our draw today on a bad ref - he was bad, the pen was soft but we weren‘t up to it today. what I do feel though is we might manage to win it or in other instances to get a point (like some games this season too) but we somehow get undone by those 50:50,60:40 decisions. what I want to say is - besides the fact as many of you mentioned that we seem to be quite bad offensively - if we hadn‘t had every decision against us, we would have had 4, 5, 6 points more on the board (and would have outperfomed last season by this margin after 20 games). what I know about pool is - as I don‘t watch all their games - they were lucky against soton not conceding a clear pen at 2:1 down in a game they were actually really bad - and that wasn‘t a 50:50, more a 90:10 decision going their way
I know many here are happy enough bashing arteta but can anyone here tell me one decision going for us this season? cala against leicester was the strongest case IMO but if it had been a second yellow for an opponent I swear I would have felt ashamed
Everybody that started this project has left it. Only Arteta is left. Vinai left, Edu left. Raul before them left as well. This is the clearest indication that we need a change in direction.
I mean it's easy to bag on the manager (and he should be changed if he doesn't win anything this season) but the Kroenkes are the problem. Unless they leave, no tangible progress will be made. Only subjective ones.
They are not separate issues you were just not quick enough to see what a negative he’d become. He’s a selfish prick who only cares about himself. Even Arteta has said he’s difficult to deal with, same with the Brighton manager who couldn’t wait to move him on.
The second yellow against City wasn’t my main gripe against him but rather his petulance over not starting and refusing to celebrate a goal … when you consider how poor and unproductive he’s been through the season, it’s validated my point that he’s more of a negative than a positive on this team
You have an irrational dislike of Trossard, I don’t. That was what I was calling out. You were out of control with your Trossard name calling that day
What attitudes are you talking about?
Arteta has publicly said several times that he likes Trossard’d fight for minutes .
I want him out because he’s not performing and he’s easily disposed of. He’s over 30 yrs, cost us relatively small money and unlike so many, he’s on small wages. It’s as simple as counting one to ten.
I’ve not reversed myself in any way and there’s nothing I’ve written now that corroborates your irrational dislike of him.
I was never attached to him, he’s been at the club for less than 2 years ffs.
From experience of chatting with you here , we won’t agree on what we disagree on because you don’t even know what you know. I’m wiser from that experience.
You don't understand. No one above us will buy Martinelli. All our players, if they don't bang, we are losing money on them cos nobody above us will buy them. Only clubs richer than us are the top tier clubs. It's good we only got Marti for 6m so even if we sell to Inter it will be on minimal profit
I know some Arteta bashing is the thing these days but are we really just going to forget the bizarre officiating we have to put with as a club. We’re not going to be allowed to win the league that’s for sure. That said, the gaps in the squad and the overtraining are on the manager. But I’d still take the position we’re in and opportunities that we still have to win something. I’m just still so perplexed at the refs decisions yet again and I watch enough games as a neutral, to not be blinkered as an Arsenal fan. Something is not right…..
Pedro: "We need three big players to move us forward and a little bit of leveling up with the squad..."
Still Pedro: "he fits our profile, he's raw, young, will have two decent seasons under his belt, and he'll be back on the agenda." (Talking about Sesko).
Is he a part of the 3 big signings? In what world is a raw player with 2 average seasons a big signing that will win the league for us?
No, Saliba did not fail to head the ball, watch reverse angle again on video, he GETS the ball first, and how vaR, in all it's $h*te, failed to overturn the call is beyond me.
He has been useless. I read Nwaneri has more goals than him in a 1000 less minutes. He is useless if he isn't scoring. Need to get rid of him in the summer.
If a big offer for Martinelli came in though, I would take it. But he should stay before Trossard for me because he might actually rediscover what used to make him good and he is young.
He hasn't done that once. He has been like Bruno Fernandez on the wing. losing the ball every time and trying stupid hollywood passes. They have been equally as crap. Martinelli has produced more in G/A though.
To make the 433 work, you need to have such quality in midfield where off the ball movement is like second nature. Even Pool go with a 4231 at times. The issue is that their 4 attackers are world class and have free reign to create and cause chaos. In fact most of their attackers are always moving into dangerous positions to get the ball. We still do not have that. We still play u shape attack outside the box. However against Brentford I was happy to see we were attacking inside the box a lot more! But overall, the 433 can hinder you if you do not have the personnel to make it work. Its very specific and requires a lot of off the ball movement. City a few years back and current Pool... Overall, a player like Diaz, or someone in midfield like a Guler, or Olmo can really make a huge difference with creating
Ode really needs to be paired in the middle with another creative mid. He cannot do this alone all the time. Someone who can dribble like a demon, take on players and lead a break down the center. Who is that ball carrying midfielder? guler, olmo, wirtz, someone like this! A santi or sanchez type dribbler!
I read somewhere that Bellingham bro might be good
this 433 is also a problem IMO
If we don't win a trophy this season, generational has to go
Cyril I do still go, will be there on Tuesday too. I was born in Islington so went there as a boy with my uncle and dad in the 70s, we moved out in the 80s and I only went regularly when I became an adult late 80s, I am in my 50s now.
Like I said our play has regressed this season and it's bloody expensive to go these days.
I actually think there is a lack of star quality in football now. Players have to be athletes first and foremost now. Even 20 years ago every team had a top quality player. Players like le tissier would never make it now.
Football is a commodity and a lot of us fans are being priced out.
I tried to remember a game or an instance we won or had a real advantage of due to a ref decision. I am totally aware that you remind decisions you are hard done by easier but nevertheless … funnily I remember two instances, both against pool. one where ode was off balance and got on the ball with his hand in the penalty box and one where gabriel committed a foul on salah in the 95 or 96 minute in the box
I do remember an awful lot of decisions going against us - I am not talking about forgetting to draw lines or the like. I talk about 50:50, 60:40 decisions that seem to be never going our way
now I don‘t want to blame our draw today on a bad ref - he was bad, the pen was soft but we weren‘t up to it today. what I do feel though is we might manage to win it or in other instances to get a point (like some games this season too) but we somehow get undone by those 50:50,60:40 decisions. what I want to say is - besides the fact as many of you mentioned that we seem to be quite bad offensively - if we hadn‘t had every decision against us, we would have had 4, 5, 6 points more on the board (and would have outperfomed last season by this margin after 20 games). what I know about pool is - as I don‘t watch all their games - they were lucky against soton not conceding a clear pen at 2:1 down in a game they were actually really bad - and that wasn‘t a 50:50, more a 90:10 decision going their way
I know many here are happy enough bashing arteta but can anyone here tell me one decision going for us this season? cala against leicester was the strongest case IMO but if it had been a second yellow for an opponent I swear I would have felt ashamed
Everybody that started this project has left it. Only Arteta is left. Vinai left, Edu left. Raul before them left as well. This is the clearest indication that we need a change in direction.
I mean it's easy to bag on the manager (and he should be changed if he doesn't win anything this season) but the Kroenkes are the problem. Unless they leave, no tangible progress will be made. Only subjective ones.
The ref fucked us today with his unusual red. We also played shit
We can't win the title with 3 for forwards
Martinelli is a joke
Tross has been as shit
Jesus is just having a golden streak.
Havertz missed the last 2
Under Arteta, we are always 3-5 signings away
I missed the game as I am on my final stretch of my holidays.
Really, really chuffed to bits that Ethan scored.
It's such a shame that we couldn't score a second one.
I am OK with the fact that we didn't lose and ended up drawing.
I am not OK with PGMOL trying to fuck us over like they did today.
We need a substantive director of football to help the club make some tough calls.
We need something close to an overhaul; 5-6 players need to be moved on.
-Martinelli’s time need to be ended in July 2025- he will have three years left on his contract. Sell before he deteriorates farther
-Trossard needs to be sold this summer, at least while he still has good residual value
-Zinchenko
-Gabriel Jesus, his recent form should make it easier to sell him.
-Tomiyasu - no explanation needed
-Kiwior, what’s the point because he so far down the list that one wonders why he’s wasting his time.
I wish I could move on Cala and Mikel but that’s not doable. We just went through all that hassle in the summer to sign two squad players.
Before you were arguing and catching feelings over Trossard when I called him out earlier in the season. Told you it’s time to see the back of him.
His attitude is getting as worse as his production …
These are two separate conversations
I want to move Trossard on but I wouldn’t call him names because a referee sent off unfairly imo or because he demanded minutes.
He’s a squad filler we signed for little money, on low wages that needs to be sold while he still has value.
I wouldn’t extend his contract.
They are not separate issues you were just not quick enough to see what a negative he’d become. He’s a selfish prick who only cares about himself. Even Arteta has said he’s difficult to deal with, same with the Brighton manager who couldn’t wait to move him on.
The second yellow against City wasn’t my main gripe against him but rather his petulance over not starting and refusing to celebrate a goal … when you consider how poor and unproductive he’s been through the season, it’s validated my point that he’s more of a negative than a positive on this team
Any player Martinelli has been starting over for the past 2 seasons has my vote to act anyhow they want
Not when you’ve been worse and cost the team a key game. And yeah I still remember that Miss against Villa at home that could’ve won us the title.
But anything he did last season can be forgiven cuz he won us games
We are talking about out two different things then.
My problem with you that day was because you were really cussing him out big time, I took exception to the language you deployed.
This is where we agree to disagree.
The threshold for second yellow card is much higher and for a referee to send him off for that nonsense was an utter disgrace.
You’re like the master of distraction LMAO.
You’d do anything to try and hide your contradictions 🤣🤣🤣okay whatever it ain’t that serious
You have an irrational dislike of Trossard, I don’t. That was what I was calling out. You were out of control with your Trossard name calling that day
What attitudes are you talking about?
Arteta has publicly said several times that he likes Trossard’d fight for minutes .
I want him out because he’s not performing and he’s easily disposed of. He’s over 30 yrs, cost us relatively small money and unlike so many, he’s on small wages. It’s as simple as counting one to ten.
I’ve not reversed myself in any way and there’s nothing I’ve written now that corroborates your irrational dislike of him.
I was never attached to him, he’s been at the club for less than 2 years ffs.
From experience of chatting with you here , we won’t agree on what we disagree on because you don’t even know what you know. I’m wiser from that experience.
You don't understand. No one above us will buy Martinelli. All our players, if they don't bang, we are losing money on them cos nobody above us will buy them. Only clubs richer than us are the top tier clubs. It's good we only got Marti for 6m so even if we sell to Inter it will be on minimal profit
I know some Arteta bashing is the thing these days but are we really just going to forget the bizarre officiating we have to put with as a club. We’re not going to be allowed to win the league that’s for sure. That said, the gaps in the squad and the overtraining are on the manager. But I’d still take the position we’re in and opportunities that we still have to win something. I’m just still so perplexed at the refs decisions yet again and I watch enough games as a neutral, to not be blinkered as an Arsenal fan. Something is not right…..
PGMOL are out to get us. The 3 red cards at the start of the season says it all.
They just don't want us to win.
Period.
Pedro: "We need three big players to move us forward and a little bit of leveling up with the squad..."
Still Pedro: "he fits our profile, he's raw, young, will have two decent seasons under his belt, and he'll be back on the agenda." (Talking about Sesko).
Is he a part of the 3 big signings? In what world is a raw player with 2 average seasons a big signing that will win the league for us?
He'd still not be good enough, that's actually my point.
"Goalscorer Ethan Nwaneri was withdrawn at half time and after the game the Arsenal boss issued a worrying update on the youngster.
"Really bad news because I think we've lost him, we had to take him off at half-time with some muscular issues," he told BBC Sport."
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/arsenal/mikel-arteta-william-saliba-penalty-brighton-joao-pedro-718875-20250104
That's why you gotta ease the young ones slowly. Arteta is wrong to play him and he is also wrong if he does not play him
Arsenal's starting X1 was not good news. This is my take on today's game.
1. We know already that several key players were out with either long term injuries [Saka and
White], suspension [Timber] or were not match fit either through injury or virus [Havertz, Odegaaard, Martinelli].
2. The team looked knackered in the second half.
3. Both Martinelli and Odegaard did not look match fit when they came on.
4. The penalty was soft by any figment of the imagination. Okay Saliba failed to head the ball
and came into contact with the Brighton player's head. I am willing to bet 9 out of 10 referees
would not have given that decision, but left it to VAR to decide. Sadly Taylor gave it.
5. Our squad is frankly struggling to cope with the match schedule this month. We could be
easily knocked out of three competitions in next two weeks [Carabo Cup, FA Cup and EPL]
No, Saliba did not fail to head the ball, watch reverse angle again on video, he GETS the ball first, and how vaR, in all it's $h*te, failed to overturn the call is beyond me.
Saliba missed the ball and came into contact with Brighton player. However, it was
a soft penalty by any figment go imagination.
Once the referee made the decision it was unlikely that it would be reversed.
Ball first then head!
https://x.com/themagic_tophat/status/1875623968000110919
For all the pelters that Martinelli is getting this season (deservedly sadly), Trossard looks like complete shit every time he plays.
I don't think I've ever seen him beat a defender 1 vs 1, if he's not getting on the end of chances he's next to useless
He has been useless. I read Nwaneri has more goals than him in a 1000 less minutes. He is useless if he isn't scoring. Need to get rid of him in the summer.
If a big offer for Martinelli came in though, I would take it. But he should stay before Trossard for me because he might actually rediscover what used to make him good and he is young.
He hasn't done that once. He has been like Bruno Fernandez on the wing. losing the ball every time and trying stupid hollywood passes. They have been equally as crap. Martinelli has produced more in G/A though.
His shooting has been off for ages now and if he isn't bringing that to the table he's very limited.
So one paced
Cala has been a huge disappointment.
He's clearly a CB, I don't know why we are persisting with this CBs as FBs shite still.
Pool are slapping the league and they have proper fullbacks
yes indeed. Mike is just too smart right?