Regarding Mathys Tel, I don't agree with the idea that Arsenal should not sign him because of the failure to become a fixture in the Bayern XI. The Munich giants are a superclub. In history, it is very common for younger players to struggle for whatever reason to establish themselves at big clubs in their teens or early twenties. Vieira, Anelka, Henry, Thiago Silva, Aubameyang, De Bruyne, Salah, Cole Palmer, Nkunku, Ekitike are just a few who have found success at other clubs after not reaching the level at the first opportunity
I agree with you about Tel..we should not be looking at anyone who can't make the first 11 in any top team not just Bayern..Arsenal is top tier these days..we should maintain that
Man City will apparently be playing either Bayern Munich or Real Madrid in the play offs so a really stern test over 2 legs and beauty is that we get rid of one of them now
Celtic get one of those two as well although I think we all know how that one will go!
Arteta wants a forward this January but there is also an awareness of keeping any business in tune with long-term planning. Arsenal want Zubimendi, a forward and a winger (with Semenyo a real target) to "complete" the squad by this summer
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Arteta is clearly the problem according to people here. An owner that wants to win would pull his finger out and get the real targets now when there is still a chance to win.
🚨 Sverre Nypan now expected to stay at Rosenborg for rest of season. 18yo midfield talent pursued by Arsenal, Girona & others but no agreement struck for winter move. Norway youth int’l set to remain with #Rosenborg while considering future
Jan window is becoming a waste of time so wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. Nypan would be an interesting addition but will he add more than Ethan and next year Max Dowman will. I’d hate to sign Nypan and then lose one of those two
What a joke of a dude. His dad leaked their every single move, all the flights they caught, all the clubs they visited, all the games they watched in the vip boxes, Arsenal were in the lead, then City, then United, then Girona, then Arsenal again..... and all of it was for nothing. What a joke.
I'm sure the idiots that have shared 50 stories about him, feel very smart about it now. I knew that whole story is garbage.
It is an 18 year old that wants to wait till the summer to make the right decision. I actually respect it. Calling him a joke of a dude for that is hilarious.
What is embarrassing is us, not being able to bring in anyone.
Aston Villa director Monchi also confirms Marco Asensio as a target: “João Félix & Marco Asensio? They are two similar players and Unai’s taste. Neither of them is easy”.
“One at the salary level, the other at the cost level. But yes, they are players who attract Unai”.
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This towards Dissenter who thinks a manager should have a limited output in decisions about transfers. He's even brought Monchi as an example before, when Monchi is literally Emery's most trusted accomplice and his right hand. Emery brings Monchi with himself because he knows he won't get undermined in regards to transfers, as he was in his time at Arsenal.
Same way Graham Potter has been bringing along his buddy Kyle Macaulay since their Östersund days more than 10 years ago.
A club can be successful in many ways. When you have a top manager, it's more than normal to provide him with the players he wants and needs. The prime example of the other way where the directors are solely responsible for the transfers are Chavs during Abramovic. In those 20 years, Chavs changed their manager 20 times though.
Monchi and Unai may have a friendship now that developed over the years. If Unai was stubborn to authority or grabbed power because he saw loopholes do you think he and Monchi would be inseperable now? One would habe left for the other and they probably wont work together again.
It may seem obvious, but if there is a quality out and out goal scorer available, arsenal should absolutely go for the transfer right now. Doesn't matter how old he is.
This PL title is still very much up for grabs despite all the pro Liverpool propaganda.
I have no problem buying Watkins as a short term solution, but only if the transfer fee is
realistic.
A 29 year old striker on a three year contract should not be costing more than £45 million. The wages is of course a different matter. There you can pay top dollar assuming
that it is performance related.
Someone previously discussed the age of Wright when he joined us. There was a major
difference to Watkins. Ian Wright came very late into professional football. So he was
It's all but certain we've missed the train on Watkins. One of the most certain solutions to work as a short term fix. Thinking about it now, I would have paid a little bit more than £45m, probably £55m + some bonuses might have been enough.
While other forwards would have probably needed time to work, Ollie would have had an instant impact. A transfer that would have been almost a guaranteed 7/10 minimum with the chance to be even better than that.
But it's probably in the history now. I'll know if I should be sad about it on Feb 3.
Yea. But you scuff at Ollie because of age. I've asked who you would want that would offer instant succes. You seem to have ruled out Ollie, Osimhen, Gyokores, Isak cos of price. Is it your money?
There are two broken forwards in our current line up.. Jesus physically gone, and Sterling both physically and mentally impaired far as a footballer is concerned . How we hadn't signed at least one real attackers already is beyond imagination... where's the ambition?
Btw, must not bank on Saka's return for this season though Arteta might actually as justification to not sign in Jan... spilling the usual bs about focusing on extracting maximum from what we have vs buyin (except perhaps LB, CB, GK) ...sad really
Need sustained, genuine fights for the PL and CL titles all the way, in the 5th year of the process and after £800m+ spend
Now that the expectation is Villa won't sell their other CF after selling Duran, I wonder what the outcome would have been if we had set our goals on Watkins earlier in the window.
We would have started working on the Watkins deal with Villa at the start of the window, Ollie would have said he's dying to go to Arsenal and they should let him go realize his dream career move, a few leaks how Arsenal are interested in Watkins in the first week of January to prepare the fans of Villa for the inevitable sale, everyone is aware of the videos where he's confessed he and his family have been lifelong Arsenal supporters, Villa fans would have slowly gotten used to the fact that one of two CFs has to leave and it makes more sense to cut ties with the older one and keep the youngling of comparable quality.
But starting the whole thing one week before the window closes and when Duran to Al Nassr was so advanced it was all but done? Our chances were minimum.
I question either:
- our motives to bid for Watkins (as in we didn't really bid for the bid to be accepted but just to throw a curveball at the management of our other possible targets).
or
- our competence on the transfer market cause if we really wanted to get Watkins, waiting until the last week of the window when it was all but doomed was very self-sabotagey.
Of course, the other thing I'm feeling is Villa decided to keep Watkins because of a few reasons:
- Duran might be a bit of a rotten apple (I've read a few things about it)
- Emery blocked the move because he didn't want to strengthen Arsenal as they see us as competition for top 4 places; but also because he was treated badly here and there might be some bad blood still. After being dumped by the hot chick, it's only normal you hate her for life.
Either way, it looked like a way to give Villa proper funding buying a player approaching his 30s. But Ollie's quality would have improved us over the next couple of years. If we could get a similar or better improvement of another offensive player, maybe. But Ollie was a bit of a guarantee to work to at least a 7/10. Maybe we'll get someone even better though. Here's hoping.
read somewhere that Villa offered Ollie for 60M because they were afraid the Dhuran deal would n’t happen. We replied with the 45M, but then the Saudi’s came back….Apparently the Villa PSR issues are serious.
But we should have been aware of the situation and ask Villa about Watkins way, way earlier in the transfer window. Our chances would have been vastly better than approaching them in the last week of the window.
And the Villa situation has been obvious for a long time. PSR issues + 2 quality CFs. I'm sure everyone at Arsenal was aware of it. Why would we react in the last week though? Maybe because we're reactive and not proactive.
I question our transfer priorities - how many weeks were we waiting for Leipzig to realize they aren't going to allow Sesko to join us in January?
I would have liked us to be working on several deals at the same time - there's Sesko if they are such big fans of him (I'm not), then Cunha, Mbeumo, Watkins, Semenyo, Tel etc and see where we can get a breakthrough. The surprising exits this January so far have been Kvara and Tel. That's it.
We should have been more advanced in our transfers 3 days before the window closes. The shocking offer for Ollie, if done with intention of buying him, shows how reactive we've been in the window. We're on the principle of "wait and see". The approach of "Wait and see" can save money for sure, waiting for the time when clubs get desperate to sell and had we been in a position where signing an offensive player isn't a necessity, I would be fine with that.
But our attack is one player short and this window has shown us that quality players move in January - something a lot of posters argued with me about. The issue is that one by one, the quality players have moved to other clubs - Marmoush, Kvara, Simons would have improved us. There are also the got young wild cards like Tel and Duran.
I believed we saved some cash from not making a deal we didn't feel good about in the summer so we can get a quality offensive player in the winter where we could have reacted to a bad injury like the one Jesus and party Saka got. But so far, I'm not too impressed with our window. If we don't get get a quality player in, we'll definitely feel light in attack. If, say Sterling or all of our offensive players were on fire, maybe I could have understood, but some like Sterling and Odegaard have been shocking so we definitely need some help which we so far, are on course not to get.
We need a forward. One is a minimum. Looking at Sterling to make the difference from the bench is ridiculous. And our attackers look gassed. And they were already performing poorly. We need a foreign loan deal at the very least.
The way we have conducted our business these past two windows has been nothing short of shocking. We are back to our ways of taking a ridiculous amount of time to decide and then scrambling last minute to do deals.
What I have seen is negligence from us. I know now, we were never serious in this window. I think Jesus going down is the only reason we have moved for Ollie watkins. Otherwise, we would have left it as it is. And that is concerning for a team trying to compete at the top. We don't need a positive propaganda piece on how we will be fine, when we have 6 players available 4 positions upward of attacking midfield. Get Nypan and Tel and it will atleast look like a window we brought in cover.
They better sign a director of football pretty quick to start prepping for the summer transfer window.
We need a director of football with gravitas for balance and to bring in new ideas for squad development.
You can tell when an organization is stale, Arsenal are right there.
We obviously have a problem with target identification to begin with - our scouting seems limited to the pretty obvious .
Our target acquisition is even worse. These lot can’t close out a deal on a wet paper bag.
Now we hope there aren’t any more injuries to Raya, Saliba, Gabriel, Havertz, Rice or Partey.
Forget Sverre Nypan. Ayto and his boss Mikel lego hair need to refocus and bring Rayan Cherki in before the deadline
Regarding Mathys Tel, I don't agree with the idea that Arsenal should not sign him because of the failure to become a fixture in the Bayern XI. The Munich giants are a superclub. In history, it is very common for younger players to struggle for whatever reason to establish themselves at big clubs in their teens or early twenties. Vieira, Anelka, Henry, Thiago Silva, Aubameyang, De Bruyne, Salah, Cole Palmer, Nkunku, Ekitike are just a few who have found success at other clubs after not reaching the level at the first opportunity
Manchester City-Real Madrid
lol
I agree with you about Tel..we should not be looking at anyone who can't make the first 11 in any top team not just Bayern..Arsenal is top tier these days..we should maintain that
Change your moniker. I almost had a heart attack
Man City will apparently be playing either Bayern Munich or Real Madrid in the play offs so a really stern test over 2 legs and beauty is that we get rid of one of them now
Celtic get one of those two as well although I think we all know how that one will go!
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Arteta wants a forward this January but there is also an awareness of keeping any business in tune with long-term planning. Arsenal want Zubimendi, a forward and a winger (with Semenyo a real target) to "complete" the squad by this summer
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Arteta is clearly the problem according to people here. An owner that wants to win would pull his finger out and get the real targets now when there is still a chance to win.
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@David_Ornstein
🚨 Sverre Nypan now expected to stay at Rosenborg for rest of season. 18yo midfield talent pursued by Arsenal, Girona & others but no agreement struck for winter move. Norway youth int’l set to remain with #Rosenborg while considering future
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Embarrassing window.
Jan window is becoming a waste of time so wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. Nypan would be an interesting addition but will he add more than Ethan and next year Max Dowman will. I’d hate to sign Nypan and then lose one of those two
It isn't just about Nypan. We spent time on this, and we didn't get it over the line. It is embarrassing not bringing in anyone.
What a joke of a dude. His dad leaked their every single move, all the flights they caught, all the clubs they visited, all the games they watched in the vip boxes, Arsenal were in the lead, then City, then United, then Girona, then Arsenal again..... and all of it was for nothing. What a joke.
I'm sure the idiots that have shared 50 stories about him, feel very smart about it now. I knew that whole story is garbage.
The dude doesn't even look that special.
Why are you this pressed?
It is an 18 year old that wants to wait till the summer to make the right decision. I actually respect it. Calling him a joke of a dude for that is hilarious.
What is embarrassing is us, not being able to bring in anyone.
Aston Villa director Monchi also confirms Marco Asensio as a target: “João Félix & Marco Asensio? They are two similar players and Unai’s taste. Neither of them is easy”.
“One at the salary level, the other at the cost level. But yes, they are players who attract Unai”.
____________________________________________
This towards Dissenter who thinks a manager should have a limited output in decisions about transfers. He's even brought Monchi as an example before, when Monchi is literally Emery's most trusted accomplice and his right hand. Emery brings Monchi with himself because he knows he won't get undermined in regards to transfers, as he was in his time at Arsenal.
Same way Graham Potter has been bringing along his buddy Kyle Macaulay since their Östersund days more than 10 years ago.
A club can be successful in many ways. When you have a top manager, it's more than normal to provide him with the players he wants and needs. The prime example of the other way where the directors are solely responsible for the transfers are Chavs during Abramovic. In those 20 years, Chavs changed their manager 20 times though.
Monchi and Unai may have a friendship now that developed over the years. If Unai was stubborn to authority or grabbed power because he saw loopholes do you think he and Monchi would be inseperable now? One would habe left for the other and they probably wont work together again.
Monchi provides what Emery wants. That's the bottom line and clearly there is friendship there.
It's a bit more complex than that for sure but the manager's ideas are absolutely a priority. That's fine with me.
We don't know what happened behind the scenes between Arteta and Edu or if anything happened at all.
Did you miss the point on purpose?
And won 125 trophies including UCL twice. Successful nonetheless.
And paid hundreds of millions in compensations to the sacked managers. Chavs were a mafia team.
hahha, compensation. Really? I would pay every compensation if it means having 2 UCL considering the fact we have zero.
When you have owners with endless pockets, yes. But here we are.
It may seem obvious, but if there is a quality out and out goal scorer available, arsenal should absolutely go for the transfer right now. Doesn't matter how old he is.
This PL title is still very much up for grabs despite all the pro Liverpool propaganda.
And lest we forget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFo1eyWbTtc
I have no problem buying Watkins as a short term solution, but only if the transfer fee is
realistic.
A 29 year old striker on a three year contract should not be costing more than £45 million. The wages is of course a different matter. There you can pay top dollar assuming
that it is performance related.
Someone previously discussed the age of Wright when he joined us. There was a major
difference to Watkins. Ian Wright came very late into professional football. So he was
frankly a "spring chicken" when he joined us.
It's all but certain we've missed the train on Watkins. One of the most certain solutions to work as a short term fix. Thinking about it now, I would have paid a little bit more than £45m, probably £55m + some bonuses might have been enough.
While other forwards would have probably needed time to work, Ollie would have had an instant impact. A transfer that would have been almost a guaranteed 7/10 minimum with the chance to be even better than that.
But it's probably in the history now. I'll know if I should be sad about it on Feb 3.
He would have benched top 5 Kai. Who in turn would have had a chance of benching Odegaard.
Guessing we have no one in the locker who can interest The Don as a part -exchange deal? Watford Gap service station at midnight kind of thing..
I keep on reading comments on how we should buy the likes of Tel and Williams. What exactly do such players bring to us that we have not got already?
Neither of these two players is a goalscorer or even a prolific assist merchant.
Messrs Saka, Martinelli and now Nwaneri are frankly superior players to both these players in
the goals scored and assist department.
What we need is someone who can score regularly in front of goal ie a clinical finisher.
Yea. But you scuff at Ollie because of age. I've asked who you would want that would offer instant succes. You seem to have ruled out Ollie, Osimhen, Gyokores, Isak cos of price. Is it your money?
There are two broken forwards in our current line up.. Jesus physically gone, and Sterling both physically and mentally impaired far as a footballer is concerned . How we hadn't signed at least one real attackers already is beyond imagination... where's the ambition?
Btw, must not bank on Saka's return for this season though Arteta might actually as justification to not sign in Jan... spilling the usual bs about focusing on extracting maximum from what we have vs buyin (except perhaps LB, CB, GK) ...sad really
Need sustained, genuine fights for the PL and CL titles all the way, in the 5th year of the process and after £800m+ spend
Now that the expectation is Villa won't sell their other CF after selling Duran, I wonder what the outcome would have been if we had set our goals on Watkins earlier in the window.
We would have started working on the Watkins deal with Villa at the start of the window, Ollie would have said he's dying to go to Arsenal and they should let him go realize his dream career move, a few leaks how Arsenal are interested in Watkins in the first week of January to prepare the fans of Villa for the inevitable sale, everyone is aware of the videos where he's confessed he and his family have been lifelong Arsenal supporters, Villa fans would have slowly gotten used to the fact that one of two CFs has to leave and it makes more sense to cut ties with the older one and keep the youngling of comparable quality.
But starting the whole thing one week before the window closes and when Duran to Al Nassr was so advanced it was all but done? Our chances were minimum.
I question either:
- our motives to bid for Watkins (as in we didn't really bid for the bid to be accepted but just to throw a curveball at the management of our other possible targets).
or
- our competence on the transfer market cause if we really wanted to get Watkins, waiting until the last week of the window when it was all but doomed was very self-sabotagey.
Of course, the other thing I'm feeling is Villa decided to keep Watkins because of a few reasons:
- Duran might be a bit of a rotten apple (I've read a few things about it)
- Emery blocked the move because he didn't want to strengthen Arsenal as they see us as competition for top 4 places; but also because he was treated badly here and there might be some bad blood still. After being dumped by the hot chick, it's only normal you hate her for life.
Either way, it looked like a way to give Villa proper funding buying a player approaching his 30s. But Ollie's quality would have improved us over the next couple of years. If we could get a similar or better improvement of another offensive player, maybe. But Ollie was a bit of a guarantee to work to at least a 7/10. Maybe we'll get someone even better though. Here's hoping.
read somewhere that Villa offered Ollie for 60M because they were afraid the Dhuran deal would n’t happen. We replied with the 45M, but then the Saudi’s came back….Apparently the Villa PSR issues are serious.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
But we should have been aware of the situation and ask Villa about Watkins way, way earlier in the transfer window. Our chances would have been vastly better than approaching them in the last week of the window.
And the Villa situation has been obvious for a long time. PSR issues + 2 quality CFs. I'm sure everyone at Arsenal was aware of it. Why would we react in the last week though? Maybe because we're reactive and not proactive.
I question our transfer priorities - how many weeks were we waiting for Leipzig to realize they aren't going to allow Sesko to join us in January?
I would have liked us to be working on several deals at the same time - there's Sesko if they are such big fans of him (I'm not), then Cunha, Mbeumo, Watkins, Semenyo, Tel etc and see where we can get a breakthrough. The surprising exits this January so far have been Kvara and Tel. That's it.
We should have been more advanced in our transfers 3 days before the window closes. The shocking offer for Ollie, if done with intention of buying him, shows how reactive we've been in the window. We're on the principle of "wait and see". The approach of "Wait and see" can save money for sure, waiting for the time when clubs get desperate to sell and had we been in a position where signing an offensive player isn't a necessity, I would be fine with that.
But our attack is one player short and this window has shown us that quality players move in January - something a lot of posters argued with me about. The issue is that one by one, the quality players have moved to other clubs - Marmoush, Kvara, Simons would have improved us. There are also the got young wild cards like Tel and Duran.
I believed we saved some cash from not making a deal we didn't feel good about in the summer so we can get a quality offensive player in the winter where we could have reacted to a bad injury like the one Jesus and party Saka got. But so far, I'm not too impressed with our window. If we don't get get a quality player in, we'll definitely feel light in attack. If, say Sterling or all of our offensive players were on fire, maybe I could have understood, but some like Sterling and Odegaard have been shocking so we definitely need some help which we so far, are on course not to get.
Lol, Pedro.
We need a forward. One is a minimum. Looking at Sterling to make the difference from the bench is ridiculous. And our attackers look gassed. And they were already performing poorly. We need a foreign loan deal at the very least.
The way we have conducted our business these past two windows has been nothing short of shocking. We are back to our ways of taking a ridiculous amount of time to decide and then scrambling last minute to do deals.
What I have seen is negligence from us. I know now, we were never serious in this window. I think Jesus going down is the only reason we have moved for Ollie watkins. Otherwise, we would have left it as it is. And that is concerning for a team trying to compete at the top. We don't need a positive propaganda piece on how we will be fine, when we have 6 players available 4 positions upward of attacking midfield. Get Nypan and Tel and it will atleast look like a window we brought in cover.