EXPENSIVE MIDFIELDER LINKED, BUT IS THE SKILLSET RIGHT?

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Well happy Friday to you all; another late-night post from me.

Amadou Onana. Linked by a website that started off as a scam transfer hotline for desperate 13-year-olds in the 90s (ME) has linked us out of nowhere with the Everton player.

We’re off to a bad start here. My view? This is either made up, started by Everton, or started by  a player agent to whip up high quality links so he can move in the summer.

But let’s dig a little deeper here on the player. These are his numbers from Fbref.

Now, the context is the team he’s playing in. Sean ‘none of that lah de daaaaahhh bullshit’ Dyche is his manager and he likes to play very direct. So being a number 6 or an 8 for them isn’t exactly Pepball at Barcelona.

That said, even in a limited system, you can shine at certain things. Thomas Partey played for a brutally negative Atletico and stood out. Jose Mourinho had outrageous players at the base of his midfield for Chelsea.

Onana, based on the eye test, and the numbers, is a very aggressive and mobile #6. He’s great in the air, could probably slip into central defence, and he’d be great a closing out games. But is that what we need in our system? He feels like the sort of player we pinned for post-Patrick Vieira but never got.

He doesn’t really progress the ball, his passing isn’t world-class when he makes them, I don’t really rate his positioning, and despite someone telling me he’s amazing at moving the ball through midfield, it’s not reflected in the numbers.

I’m not writing a hit piece here – if we sign him, I’ll delete this post and call you liars if you call me on it. I just don’t think this is the type of player we go for nowadays. Especially not for upwards of £50m. I have similar feelings about Paulinha, though defensively, he is on another level to Onana (and he’d be a cheaper specialist at 29).

Arsenal midfielders need to be able to do it all. You can’t succeed in our team as a destroyer – the same way the City midfield doesn’t have just those sort of players. We also have to be realistic, Arsenal needs to sell to buy, if they are selling Thomas Partey (most likely of the midfielders) they have to replace with someone who can do what he does.

Look at all that Partey green. He passes, he moves with the ball, he is highly accurate, he goes past players and his defensive numbers are better than Onana’s. That is what you’re aiming for if you move on Thomas Partey.

Here’s Declan Rice.

His passing isn’t quite where Partey is at, but we know that. However, his power and speed give him magic powers defensively. He is more rounded than Partey.

Mikel Arteta said today that Thomas Partey (and Timber) being injured meant he couldn’t be as unpredictable as he wanted. Not hard to deduce that if Partey is exiting, the money will be put into a player that is a ball-playing 6 with mobility (that Jorginho lacks) and availability (the reason Partey might go).

There aren’t many of those players in the world and I just find it hard to believe one of them is at Everton right now or more to the point, that they’d sell in January when they are in a life-or-death situation after the massive points deduction.

Right, short and specific post today.

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Ray+in+LA

I hope we win something this year 🙂

grooveydaddy

Yo

grooveydaddy

And

grooveydaddy

Tr4phy

Ray+in+LA

I hope that we have our ‘best’ eleven available if we advance to the later stages of the CL — we’ve left so much talent on the physio table this year

Ray+in+LA

So retro to think that fourth is the goal 🙂

Guns of SF

Onana stats compared to TP are very different.
Onana is a classic 6. TP is more like a 6.5, who has more offensive to his game

Aaron

Pedro has been busy and even got a laugh out loud from me.

1) Injury history- guy is rock!
2) Everton going to sell this guy while in the danger zone? Only if AFC pay AFC fees.
3) Can this guy cover for Partey and allow Rice to roam freely? Possibly, but not even close to the ability of Partey on the turn and ball progression.

This will go away unless we sell.

Whom can AFC sell? The other 12 players on the bench or injury table.

Guns of SF

Aaron
Injury history should be a key factor in any transfer moving forward.
TP has hurt us over the years by being injured constantly.

Onana is a powerful midfielder. That cannot be discounted. We are lightweights when it comes to this factor. The physical side of the game, bar Rice is what we always are needing

Aaron

Guns,
I agree, play Podz, Kuminga, Moody and TJD, oh wait that is another thread.lol

Been wanting a physical presence in mid for ages. Do not know enough about this guy to really have an opinion one way or another.

Not talking stats, talking actual games observed and eye test.

However, AFC do not need another slow and less physical player at any position at this point!

Siddeeq

We were close to signing Caicedo.

Onana is a bigger, stronger, faster less expensive version of Caicedo.

Siddeeq

Arteta on why Saka, Odegaard and Martinelli haven’t been as clinical this season
“”What they did last year is exceptional. To maintain those numbers we knew it would be hard because it was a one off. Not just for us, but a one off in the league.””

Siddeeq

I have been telling you the 1st half of 2022-23 was Not because of the brilliance Generational. Now he has confirmed.

Freddie Ljungberg

If Arteta really can’t see why Saka and Martinelli aren’t as effective this season we’re in trouble. It’s so obvious.

Canadian Gooner

I don’t really rate Onana unless he comes in as a squad player on a punt of a fee. However I don’t think that will be the case, especially if the move was to happen in January. If we want him we will have to pay through the nose. I don’t see him being a potential starter with rice and Odegaard because I don’t see rice playing that left 8 role and I don’t see Arteta changing his system for Onana. So if we aren’t convinced he’s gonna start for us why would we buy an EPL player (there’s always… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

The media and a number of agents will of course promote the idea that certain players are available for sale and could move in the January transfer window. The reality is very few “quality” players are going to be on the move despite all the rumours. Arsenal have at the moment a lot of problems with their team and performance level. 1. I agree with Arteta that the loss of both Partey and Timber has impacted on our resources and ability to rotate. Both are quality players. 2. However, their loss is not a factor in the underperformance of our… Read more »

Miki

Hello! Happy New Year fellow Gooners. I must say that the main issue now is MA ‘s coaching. The lack of rotation in his team weakens the whole group. Why? Because you can’t ask benchers to perform at the highest level if you haven’t given them your trust, on multiple occasions. The trial of having ESR be the super sub against the Hammers is the best example. Although, ESR, Nelson would be great team players if given way more game time. It would produce twists in our games. But the way MA is using them is not the way to… Read more »

Luteo Guenreira

CIES transfer value list released for this year has Ramsdale as the most valuable keeper in the world at €79.6m. Also has Odegaard ranked as the 10th most valuable in the world at €150.6m.

The list is pretty ridiculous. Where do they get these numbers from?

Graham62

Miki

You are correct, the main issue now is MA’s coaching.
Unfortunately, on here, it is frowned upon to criticise such an incredible once in a lifetime generational coach!
It’s always been the case.
Rather than question MA and his coaching abilities, some would rather discuss the atmosphere in the stadium.

Markymak

Emirates Stroller Even though Kai has had a welcome uplift the decision to bring in both him and Raya has seriously messed up the squad imo. Arsenal simply imploded after a he loss of Saliba plus lack of experience being top of the league for so long but having the juggernaut of City on our tails. Usually you’d expect a run away season for teams in Arsenal’s position. Due to the changes and I’d say title challenge is off and we are really talking top 3. This is pivotal for Arteta, if we don’t grab the title 2024/25 I’d say… Read more »

Graham62

We fell away last season because Arteta started to accept second best.
I’m not saying he gave up but what I am saying is that when Saliba got injured there was a marked change in Arteta’s demeanour and attitude. His inflexible methods meant we dropped far too many points when we could and should have been going head to head with MC.
That was poor from Arteta.

Graham62

A once in a lifetime generational coach doesn’t stand pitch side accepting the inevitable.

Pierre

Sometimes teams go through periods where they struggle to put the ball in the back of the net and at the same time concede goals from shots that are basically unsaveable , and that’s where Arsenal are at in this present time. The last 5 league games we have conceded 6 goals and scored 4 and only won 1.. lost 3 …drawn 1 It’seasy to blame a new keeper for a bad run ..of form but there is really little he could do about any of the goals conceded… Taking those 5 games , Arsenal last 5 league games. 94… Read more »

X haka

Just like the dying days of Wenger now.
.
You know, always one or two players short, or injuries have wrecked our season or knocked us of course. The unpredictability thing is just bollox.

Meanwhile , the excuses keep piling up. Expect the summer signings to be all under 21 and Project Youth 4.0 to come in.

Tom

Pierre, the only problem with your post is that West Ham who obviously has been recently playing with a giant horseshoe up their ass isn’t Arsenal’s direct competitor, City and Liverpool are.

Siddeeq

Shots on goal
Westham 3 Arsenal 8
Fulham 4 Arsenal 3
Liverpool 3 Arsenal 2
Arsenal 9 Brighton 1
Villa 3 Arsenal 5

Siddeeq

“””Put it this way , if Arsenal continue to have almost double the amount of shots at goal and on target “””

Put it this way, we have lots of shots at goal but Not on target.

Samesong

Werner to spurs loan

CG

Samesong

”””Werner to spurs loan””””

Spurs manager likes his attacking players- he has assembled a potent and attacking side very quickly post H. Kane ( i. e immediately- because thats what good managers do)

Our likes his defenders and full backs-and after x 4 seasons of Arteta as manager – we are the seeing the mirror image of his playing style come out into his management- and its bloody dull, robotic, stifling and at times sleep inducing.

CG tip- Smith Rowe get out of the club ASAP- your managers prefers functionality over flair.

englandsbest

This TW perhaps a player on loan, maybe a loaned Arsenal player will return (Tierney?) The focus ought to be on how Arteta deals with Arsenal predictability using the squad he has. If he carries on the same way with no-risk football, managers will forestall him in the manner seen in recent games. Clearly pace and movement need be.quickened. Riskier? Certainly. And there is the problem that managers double-up on Saka and Martinelli, the main source of pace. A solution might be to play one (or both) centrally as attacking midfielders/central strikers. Plus GAb J on the wing and Rice… Read more »

JohnG

Good points Pierre, but watching the games in question I would say although we had x amount of more shots than the other team our finishing has been poor of late and we ard not hitting any of those “unsaveble” shots.
We need more shooting and one touch passing in training please Mikel

JohnG

PS and drop at least 20% of the running around the pitch getting fit shit because it just seems to be having the opposite effect on our players

Foxy

Tierney has reportedly raised two fingers to the idea of returning to Arsenal stating that he is enjoying his football in Spain. Who would blame him after his treatment by Arteta.

Samesong

“This TW perhaps a player on loan, maybe a loaned Arsenal player will return (Tierney?)”

“Several people have already asked me if I was going to return to Arsenal now and the answer is no. I’m going to stay here for sure. As for staying here longer, the decision is not mine,” Tierney said. The Scotland international joined the Spanish club on a season-long loan in the summer after being offered minimal chances by Arteta last season.

Tierney probably will not come back to Arsenal.

Graham62

Foxy

It seems to be a common theme with Arteta.

Miki

Thank you @ Graham62

allezkev

Does anyone know if Arsenal actually enquired about Tierney returning or was that one of many rumours of fantasy we’ll have to put up with this month?

Flamini06

One would think the season over already.
The negative vibes here are shocking.

Tony2

G62 the atmosphere in the ground does affect the players. Last season the AA were all together section 26 in clock end. This season due to the utterly pointless balloting system (maybe another brain fart from MA8) the atmosphere simply isn’t the same. And the atmosphere (3 times in the same post wtf lol) has dropped because of our manager’s dull as dishwater tactics..and I guarantee that if the play tomo is turgid again the crowd will turn. Just my take

Wegotsupermik

Taking of changes for the worst

Anyone old enough to remember when a) the FA Cup meant something big and b) the games all kicked off at 3pm

This Saturday between 3 and 450 or so (lot less injury time) and listening to Radio was one of the biggest annual events in the sporting calendar.

Up there with the Boat Race.

Samesong

Wegotsupermik
January 6, 2024 12:40:11

Yep.

Graham62

Both Sunderland and Newcastle wearing stripes.
Not easy for the spectators to distinguish m let alone the players.

Graham62

Remember listening to radio on a Saturday back in the day.
The FA Cup 3rd round was a magical day.

Spanishdave

We faded last season and have struggled this season so far .
So basically we have regressed for the last year!!!
The problem is not new it’s been festering for a long time.
Arteta is stuck with one system and I don’t think he has any idea what to do , he’s a one trick pony.

Graham62

Spanishdave

Yes but he’s a one of a kind generational one trick pony!

Guns of Hackney

Late to the party but that’s because I’ve been doing your wife.

The last thing Arsenal need is a midfielder. We need a person to score goals and the Napoli one and Vlahovic are the two players that fit the bill. We have oodles of people we can swap and do deals with. Jesus would do well in Italy. We could literally throw them 4 players and £50m and we get either one.

Wake up. Fucking Onana.

Un

Declan rice is faaaar better than onana at what onana does best and what he doesn’t do very well
Why buy someone who’s his diet version?
We don’t need that
We need technical players to break the lines and open teams up

jwl

Orbinho stats – -Arsenal have conceded just six goals in their last 11 FA Cup matches. No team has scored more than once against the Gunners in that run. -Diogo Jota has scored seven goals in nine appearances in all competitions for Liverpool against Arsenal -Arsenal have failed to score in three of their last four FA Cup matches. – Arsenal have won the FA Cup more often than any other team. They have played three finals against Liverpool, winning two. – Arsenal haven’t lost at home in Round 3 of the #FACup since 1995. (They did lose in a… Read more »

Un

Jwl

Well we are a team that likes to break records for all the wrong reasons since wenger left

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

We’re going to need a player like that soon enough when Elneny, Jorginho and Partey all leave. Rice can’t play every single game.

It’s not what we need right now though to get our attack clicking.

We also need to stop paying the PL pemium for every single player we buy, there’s a reason we’re balancing on the edge of a ffp breach.

Guns of Hackney

Our attack doesn’t click because it’s trash. No other reason.

Guns of Hackney

You think great attackers need shitty side men to make them look good? Grow up. Our attacking players are tiny, insignificant little pinches faced man children who whine at every opportunity.

No one in our team, scares defenders. No one. They are irritating but easily batted away. We need a scary forward that allows the midfield to operate.

Freddie Ljungberg

We already know you don’t know anything about football guns. You don’t have to keep proving it.

Guns of Hackney

FL

Prove me wrong by stating facts rather than opinion.

Guns of Hackney

I state facts that are irrefutable. We do not have a single player that occupies a defence or scares another player.

We did. We don’t now. That’s a fact.

Go one big man. Tell me and the other simps I’m wrong.

Freddie Ljungberg

“You think great attackers need shitty side men to make them look good? Grow up. Our attacking players are tiny, insignificant little pinches faced man children who whine at every opportunity.”

Facts like these? I think I’ll pass. If you want to take my “tacticts for dummies” class it’s £999.99, special price for you because it will take way longer than with the average dummy.

WengerEagle

GOH you let yourself down with the Vlahovic fetish.

He’s bang average geezer.

Guns of Hackney

FL

You’re still not disproving me. You’re providing an opinion based on your opinion of me, not the football team we’re talking about.

Guns of Hackney

WE

No. Quality. Needs a break. Good player in a bad fitting team.

Freddie Ljungberg

Disproving what? That all our attackers are pinch faced man children?

Or that a great striker can do it all by himself and doesn’t need any help from his team mates?

Not sure which is more stupid tbh. Just the ramblings of a bitter former fan with no clue.

X haka

Solanke.

Guns of Hackney

He’s 23 and scored goals in still the hardest league to score goals in. He’s two footed, tall, strong, good in the air, skilled on the ground and he grew up in the shadow of the Serb Croat war which would galvanise him.

Peter always talks about profiles. This boy has the right profile.

Guns of Hackney

Freddie. Jesus. Martinell. Eddie fucking Neckitah. Crap. As for a forward not needing much help is, I’ll concede, subject to evaluation but. Henry didn’t need much help. Wright was a finisher who did an amazing amount of work alone. Bergkamp? Anelka? Fowler? Arguro? Drogba? Not what you would call ‘goal hangers’ per se. People who could do multiple jobs and the important bit here is: occupy other players. Do you get that bit? No one in our team makes another player look over their shoulder and wonder what the fuck might happen! We are a lightweight and predictable outfit. Prove… Read more »

Guns of Hackney

For a crew of know it alls and geeks, this site is full of dullards.

Another midfielder who by admission is not a very good player is linked. Fuck me.

We need a goal scorer.

Freddie Ljungberg

Guns I’m not disputing that we need a new striker, we absolutely do. Martinelli is not crap though, and Jesus would be a good backup for all 3 attacking positions. Our bigger problen is that our setup is all wrong with Havertz being the opposite of the type of player we need in that position and Zinny inverting kills our left flank dead. White not overlapping as often makes Saka less efficient. That risk averseness and our slow buildup makes us so easy to defend against. Just getting in a striker doesn’t fix everything. That was the short version so… Read more »

Guns of Hackney

Jesus is a £45m back up? Arteta got him as our main man and you know it. I knew it was a disaster. He’s so easily nullified. As for Eddie and Martinelli, I’m sorry but they are shit. Zero threat. We don’t have the luxury of having six players on the books who can come in and play 20 mins and perhaps change a game. We need proper first pick players who can do a job in all the games. These players either score or do absolutely nothing in the game. And even if they do score, they probably still… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

45m isn’t that much nowadays, our rivals have more expensive players than that as backups. Martinelli had 20 g/a in the PL last season, he’s not replicating that this season because our setup is all wrong, not because he’s suddenly shit. I know that probably is a little too deep for you though. Eddie isn’t good enough I agree on that. “I’m surprised most teams don’t play 2 at the back against us and throw more attackers at us. Not a problem.” We don’t score enough because our buildup is so slow the other team always have time to play… Read more »

allezkev

Interesting that we don’t have the same problem scoring in the Champions League.

TheLegendaryDB10

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Emiratesstroller

Let’s be realistic Arsenal are not going to recruit in this transfer windows first X1 players. We are going to buy squad players as we did last January when we recruited Trossard, Jorginho and Kiwior. None of these players were recruited as starters. I can tell you now that we are unlikely to buy a striker in this window, because the type of player we could be seeking is going to cost north of £80 million and our current budget for this financial year is limited. At the moment Arsenal are light in their squad, because we are two players… Read more »