The Premier League moved with brutal force on beleaguered Everton over their breach of profit and sustainability. Sean Dyche sees his team drop into the bottom two after an 10-point deduction. They’ll appeal the case, but it seems pretty cut and shut, the points deduction will stick.
Now, remember I told you about 6 months ago the Arsenal strategy was to be ready when something bad might happen to Manchester City?
Well, stories are now dropping in The Daily Mail that both Chelsea AND City could face relegation if they are found guilty on the charges leveled against them.
That would be a wow moment, but we are entering extremely dicey territory in elite-level sport where entities with the power of nations are imposing their will on our beautiful sport, and the output has been debilitating unfairness.
There are stories doing the rounds that Eden Hazard had his move to Arsenal canceled because Chelsea gave his agent £7m. Was that move the difference between Arsenal going on the same run of dominance as them and not? Highly doubtful. But hard to imagine a world where Eden Hazard in the system wouldn’t have helped. Even the knock on effects – who is banging the door of Arsenal to play with Gervinho? What was the cost of us not having a superstar like Hazard in the ranks?
Why do I raise this point? Because cheating the system won certain clubs’ mega trophies. It made clubs that stuck by the rules look like chumps. It lost people jobs.
Is simply relegating clubs enough here? Do Olympic gold medalists keep their golds if they are caught with an ice cream van full of PEDs?
This is a question for The Premier League.
If cheating for sustained periods of time can allow you to accrue a mass of trophies, plaudits, and money… and the punishment when you get caught after 12 years is relegation. Is that enough?
The cost of two seasons out of Champions League can be absorbed by nation states. Relegation is making anyone at the top end go bankrupt and have to sell up. It’s a mere annoyance.
The biggest companies in the world bake the fines they get from regulators into their business models. A billion-dollar fine for bleeding an industry dry and killing competition doesn’t touch the sides if the profit you accrued during that period is 20x the fine.
If the punishment for cheating lacks bite, guess what, everyone will cheat. There are plenty of experts saying the Chelsea strategy is exactly that… take the fine and the smacked wrists because the progress on the pitch will be worth it.
The telegraphing of these punishments also gives the said clubs the opportunity to strategise around their escape. Lots of players will have relegation clauses. You’re not going to get the greatest players/coaches in the world slumming it in the Championship, but if you have the time, you. could sign all the best young players in the league, use the Championship to get them up to speed, then hit the Premier League with force the next season.
Football is at a weird tipping point. You have nations moving in on the game. We have toothless regulators. Fancy lawyers filibustering cases. The rulebreaking is happening at such a pace no one can keep up. Is this going to be good for the sport long term? Will anyone care? Are we fine with the doping of the game? Will fans enjoy it as long as the best players line up in their club colors?
Always remember: City fans held up a banner and sang songs about their beastly lawyer.
I can’t think of a parallel in history. Everything is entertainment these days. The illusion of fairness might be all we need to be satisfied because we’re fat and happy on a diet of mega transfers and investment in a game that is so far ahead of every other league I don’t think we’ll ever see a cycle of dominance outside England.
Back to Arsenal.
The strategy of wait for those above you to fail is looking more and more like it was a very smart move.
We aged down this summer.
We’re working on our craft this season.
These young men are learning how to manage Europe and the Premier League at the same time.
In the next two years, something brutal is going to happen that will shake the league, then we’ll be ready to bang.
Quite exciting.
Ok, see you in the comments. x
WW1 on the agenda. Cheerful.
Germany actually lost over 2m men. Interesting that the angst and humiliation of war loss drove them towards a second war whereas within the alllies the zeitgeist of never again hampered defence spending and created a strong aversion to war
GOH – British Tommy’s were more willing to march across no man’s land under machine gun fire , than you are willing to write anything and I mean literally anything positive about Arsenal
@Markymark, you forgot to include Louis Mountbattens stats
Chelsea paying 7m to hazard’s agent is equivalent of paying 20m to Rice’s agent by City. What chance would Arteta have had to make the transfer happen? You can imagine how Arteta will feel when some ignorants who pride themselves as fans starts accusing him of failure to make the deal happen.
One of such idiots said it on here two years ago that Arteta is far better than than Wenger. Two years gone with the ground a bit level, VAR and money to boot, he is still struggling. Wenger faced lot worse. No backing of the fans, or media. There was even a time that the old man fell in public and it was banter everywhere.
“Germany actually lost over 2m men. Interesting that the angst and humiliation of war loss drove them towards a second war whereas within the alllies the zeitgeist of never again hampered defence spending and created a strong aversion to war”
Amazing what one charismatic leader can achieve with his ramblings.
A thousand year Reich spanning across whole of Europe and Russia only fell short some 9960years off the mark.
If only he could’ve laid off Russia, and if Japan stayed away from Pearl Harbor, we could’ve been watching Arsenal playing in the Bundesliga where refs are unbiased and VAR works as intended.
Fucking Hitler, I tell you.
996 years
Rich I meant equal as people and it’s not socialism. I never meant the social or economic status. Iam a product of capitalism that allowed me to get out of my country and travel. Through those travels all I have understood is that all of us want to do well for our families and lead a peaceful life where we are not judges by our colour, sexual .preferences, race, religion etc. equality is through services beacuse they belong to a certain kind. That’s all I am asking. It’s not about economic equality or anything else. That surely can be achieved through a democratic system.
*Equality means not denying service to people of certain kind.
Whatever the Indian, UK, German or US losses during WWII, they paled into comparison with that of Russia.
That surely can be achieved through a democratic system.
Israel is the only democracy in the ME.
Maybe the Hamas barbarians and its acolytes should try it instead of butchering people, including innocent Thai’s with garden hoes.
And Madhu, before you get all Gandhi on us: the world’s positioning on him is changing. He said v similar things to Churchill about the peoples of S Africa and especially it’s indigenous population, endorsing the apartheid. He also slept naked with his niece when he was 78 to ‘test his celibacy’.
Marky, the Germans lost like 5-6m. Russia – 27 million. Madness.
Bilbo you are spouting the oft repeated canards about Gandhi. If you want to believe that it’s your prerogative. Iam not here to change your opinion. The fact remains that he was an apostle of non violence in a world dominated by blood thirty so called leaders. You believe what you want to.
By the way Bilbo all that is clearly written by the man himself there is no secrecy there along with reasons. His views on South Africa changed to an extent that Nelson Mandela and rest of SA still respect him. His body of work in SA as a lawyer and social activist is well documented.
Madhu, until we stop cherry picking anecdotes of our former leaders, we can’t properly establish their legacy and understand how to do more of the good stuff and less of the bad in the future. The cycle continues.
The good thing is lots of these things are published and attributed and so those with an open mind can look at each and every person on their merit, warts and all.
I also am not here to change your opinion either. I would have preferred it if, when sharing yours though, you could acknowledge the potential blind spots, the nuances and challenges elsewhere that you choose to ignore.
You mentioned Churchill: a complex man, driven by some deeply questionable views at times – especially in his early years – who, ultimately, offered exactly what Great Britain needed at their moment of greatest need. See, it’s not necessarily all black and white, is it?
Racist criminals are now refered as ‘complex men’. The world is healing indeed.
Bilbo that’s exactly what I mentioned. For some are terrorists to others they are not. The problem is that everything is seen through west’s eyes and the rest of the world will have to go along as the west have been powerful all along.
Churchill as a complex man. Gandhi an apostle of non-violence.
Gandhi’s best moment was as he touched down in the UK and the press asked him what he thought about ‘western civilization’. His response: it’s a good idea.
Banter.
Can’t disagree there Madhu
Bilbo there are a lot of things that I don’t agree with Gandhi but he led us to freedom on a plank of civil disobedience and fought all along for a secular country. I would only imagine what would we have been to the western world if our freedom was achieved through blood bath.
The difference between Germany and Britain pre outbreak of war.
A perplexed Adolph asked our Foreign secretary “why don’t tut shoot Ghandi? “
well I guess it was one way of dealing with an issue.
Tut* you
I didn’t watch the game last night obviously but saw that Southgate started with Henderson in the middle of the park. What can you say about that? No imagination, for one.
Such a dour coach. Honestly give Wenger a call and see if he fancies taking over for the Euros. With the amount of attacking talent England has, it could be the dream ticket!
Ahhh Madhu, you just can’t leave it, can you? If Gandhi fought for a secular country then Modi is the anti-Gandhi
Madhu
Soon India will have a choice, go along with the Chinese + Russians and join BRICS… Or join the New American system.
Granted that neither seem at all appealing… And it’s much like being stuck between a rock and a hard place..
Sadly… If I were placing a bet, I’d back the Chinese + Russians to come out victorious…
Because they’re not driven by ideology in the same way that we are in the west… They’re not restricted by human constructs like morality, ethics, and values…
And instead can be solely driven by getting the desired results, accepting that damaged limitations and occupational hazards are acceptable for the greater good…
They can and are attacking the flaws in our legal systems, and are defeating us without needing to throw a bullet or bomb in our direction.
Unless the west pivots rapidly from a deontological approach to policy, laws, and border controls, and adopts a ruthless utilitarian + consequentialist approach…
Then we’re heading for big problems, that pose an existential threat.
People have to accept that there’s often no perfect solutions, in a far from perfect world… There’s just trade offs.
That sometimes doing the “right thing”, can give you the wrong result… And doing the “wrong thing”, can give you the right result…
Outcomes matter more than intent…
We have to be much more pragmatic in this regard, because sniffing our own farts, in the stench of our own faux self righteousness amongst the rubble… Is as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Virtue + vanity really are best of friends, we’ve created a whole generation of people who love to portray their faux virtues, in order to feed their vanity…
They’ve been tricked into believing that compliance is a virtue… Rather than recognising it for what it really is, which is a combination of moral cowardice + appeasement…
For far too long the west haven’t been vigilant enough…. We’ve harboured those who hate us, tolerated those who threatened us, and indulged those who weakened us…
We also have to accept that bad people can appear to do “good things”, knowing that they can produce bad outcomes… Or just get well meaning useful idiots to carry out their dirty work for them…
Deontology is a wolf dressed in sheep’s clothing, that’s leading lambs gleefully to the slaughterhouse..
Whereas utilitarianism + consequentialism is a sheep dressed in wolves clothing…Trying to herd this country away from certain death + destruction.
Rich, you lost me at they (Russia and China) are not driven by ideology. Plus, I think you’re completely overestimating the Russian stance here – their attack on Ukraine is a Cuban Missile Crisis Mk II and has completely shown their inability to think strategically and evaluate their own position. The echoes are uncanny and, in this respect, perhaps we can learn something from JFK: let cool heads prevail and think through the prism of whether any event is a political or strategic risk, knowing the appropriate reactions are fundamentally different, rather than getting caught up in all the bluster and posturing.
In the past 18 months, China have sat back, let the West and Rus battle it out in Ukraine, slowly edging their belt and road initiative forward in countries with more strategic advantage to them. Russia have had to go cap in hand, looking for support. It’s not a partnership, no more than Credit Suisse being bought out by UBS was a ‘merger’.
Okay okay. Here’s something positive about Arsenal.
Mad is laying some historical smack down
But wasn’t Gandhi meant to be a bit of a jerk?
“”We’ve harboured those who hate us, tolerated those who threatened us, and indulged those who weakened us…””
Atleast the french guillotined their monarchy
Watch the zeitgeist movie trilogy people. Confirmed how I was already thinking, feel8ng and living.
Should be required viewing for Rich, especially.
If we let Kiwior go in January, as some tabloid are suggesting, then I’ll be so dissapointed. This guy should and will take Gabriel space in no time. He’s that good.
Completely agree with Bilbo here, we shouldn’t be cherry picking facts. Gandhi had said appalling things about the blacks of South Africa and also slept naked with cousins to test “celibacy”. But the crimes does pale in comparison with the thousands Britishers killed in that timescale, that too only in India. His idea of peaceful civil disobedience is used worldwide. In that way, he is such an important messenger for peace. Unfortunately, we have not followed on her teachings
‘ China1 here is a fun fact for you. Mahatma Gandhi was called a terrorist by churchill. All he did was lead a freedom struggle through non cooperation and civil disobedience. So we have understand the reality’
Yeah but we’re not talking about if someone calls someone a terrorist rather whether or not they actually are one objectively
Don’t recall Gandhi mowing down innocent women and children for the fun of it.
This why Gandhi is revered as an incredible figure of the 21st century whilst Hamas is considered a group of uneducated Barbarians except for people trying to excuse their behavior
This is separate from the conversation of Palestinians at large – Hamas are not freedom e fighters they are horrendous human beings (calling them that is being generous) and they are the absolute definition of terrorists. They don’t have anything to bring to the table except hate.
Again most of the tolerance for them is coming from people who are extremely empathetic which is kinda ironic as they don’t give a fuck about you or anyone else. They are not nice, tolerant, civilized people. Hamas are disgusting dog shit. Do not be fooled into overlapping them with the Palestinians at large, many of whom are normal, simple people who just want to live in peace. But Hamas don’t want peace, that’s not the goal. They’re not freedom fighters, they would like to see the eradication of Jews. How many Jews are alive in Palestine? Current estimates are zero… because Hamas have had suspected Jews murdered.
Let’s not conflate innocent Palestinians with them because one is simple a group of people looking to survive horrible times and the other is a group of disgusting terrorists
‘ China1 here is a fun fact for you. Mahatma Gandhi was called a terrorist by churchill. All he did was lead a freedom struggle through non cooperation and civil disobedience. So we have understand the reality’
Yeah but we’re not talking about if someone calls someone a terrorist rather whether or not they actually are one objectively
Don’t recall Gandhi mowing down innocent women and children for the fun of it.
This why Gandhi is revered as an incredible figure of the 21st century whilst Hamas is considered a group of uneducated Barbarians except for people trying to excuse their behavior
This is separate from the conversation of Palestinians at large – Hamas are not freedom e fighters they are horrendous human beings (calling them that is being generous) and they are the absolute definition of terrorists. They don’t have anything to bring to the table except hate.
Again most of the tolerance for them is coming from people who are extremely empathetic which is kinda ironic as they don’t give a fuck about you or anyone else. They are not nice, tolerant, civilized people. Hamas are disgusting dog shit. Do not be fooled into overlapping them with the Palestinians at large, many of whom are normal, simple people who just want to live in peace. But Hamas don’t want peace, that’s not the goal. They’re not freedom fighters, they would like to see the eradication of Jews. How many Jews are alive in Palestine? Current estimates are zero… because Hamas have had suspected Jews murdered.
Let’s not conflate innocent Palestinians with them because one is simple a group of people looking to survive horrible times and the other is a group of disgusting terrorists .
20th century*
Mental experiment, if Hamas were given free rein to take over Israel government tomorrow, what kind of policies do you think they would enact?
Would they set up a beautiful state of Palestine that respects the rights of different religions and peoples?
Or would they commit genocide against the Jews?
Anyone who doesn’t think the latter hasn’t been paying attention
What are Palestines being killed in west Bank? More than 200 in the recent past. What is that for? Anyways Gazans are considered as animals and a front for Hamas. Anyways world has given free pass to Israel to raze Gaza.
Wonder how much food for thought Martinelli gave Arteta with his performance leaving the line for Brazil .., hopefully he also lets his eyes open up to the possibility of Zinchenko playing his natural position instead of wasting time with Havertz
GD4
Not sure… Would be interested to see it, I know WE, Rap + Pierre think that’s where he’ll end up playing.
@ Rich,
No offense to Pierre but I’d take him as an option over Nketiah any stinking day … just saying
GD4
We’d need to secure another quality left winger before moving Martinelli central, but hopefully we can just get a better run of fitness from Jesus.
Btw I don’t support Israel, I’m neutral because I only want a world that exists with basic decency and common sense for all. I don’t support any group mercilessly murdering any other which is why I will call out Hamas for what they are (disgusting dog shit) and happy to call out Israeli leadership as also disgusting dog shit for the way they’ve handled this response
I have no personal vested interest in any one side or the other and wish everyone would just calm the fuck down and put their guns down.
But I’m just alarmed that somehow it’s become okay to insult Israel for the way they handle things but Hamas is getting something of a free pass in this by the left. Hamas is a disgusting group of sub humans. No amount of critiquing Israel can stop this from being true
Unfortunately people rush to choose sides and really empathetic people are willing to see the plight of Palestinians and equate that with Hamas being freedom fighters. They are not. If Hamas are freedom fighters might as well call Isis and Al qaeda the same.
They are filth who share not one iota of common ground with any of the tolerant people on here in terms of world views.
@ Rich,
Trossard can play out there but Pedro Neto would be my first option on a transfer and he can play either side regardless of his injury history. We need pace and the ability to beat a defender consistently one vs one
The Palestinian/Israeli issue is so emotive and since I’m not directly involved and not fully aware of the intense feelings on both sides I try to avoid it … however I read an article from an Arab first responder who arrived at the Kibbutz and was horrified at the scene and when all was said and done ended with this statement ..::
“Warraq is still hopeful that Jews, Arabs, Christians and Muslims can learn to live together in Israel, saying “we are all the same”.
“I think Israel learned today how to die together. Now it’s time to learn how to live together … We have to take care of this and we have to stop hatred and start living together.”
Amen to that GD4
Not a bad performance from young Chido
https://arsenalyouth.wordpress.com/2023/11/18/chido-obi-martin-scores-ten-goals-as-arsenal-u16s-beat-liverpool-14-3/
Theres no hope for the vicious and malicious
Israelis should ditch Netanyahu, and get someone more moderate who wants peace instead of security as his mantra
Gazans should have other options aside from Hamas.
If Israel releases their stronghold on Gaza, the anger of Hamas would not be given such support. Other parties might stand a chance to take over, and work towards peace.
Israel should loosen its dependence on USA and Europe and work towards becoming part of the region, and build as much ties it can with its neighboring arab countries. USA does not want peace in the area. They need Israel to fight these battles for them, and continue to provide economic opportunities in the region. its all a game. real peace comes from humanity.
Prior to 1947, Palestine was a place where groups co existed.
As long as the Zionists continue to occupy and control Gaza, then shit will still happen, anger will still take over.
“Israelis should ditch Netanyahu, and get someone more moderate”
This is my problem with left liberals. You will always find them blaming leaders who are tough on terrorism but not a squeak against terrorist organisations like Hamas. I hope and pray that Natenhayu absolutely obliterates Hamas.
What happened on October 7 is absolutely abominable and any self respecting sovereign country should have the right to take revenge. Leaders of Hamas have repeatedly said they would do October 7 again and again if they could.
Hamas = ISIS
By the way the Arab world by and large have no sympathy for people living in Gaza. None of them have opened their borders for the people of Gaza. All they have is this entrenched hatred for a Jew country. They would put Hitler to shame if they were given a free run to demolish Israel. Thankfully most of the civilized countries support Israel.
Listen to Douglas Murray on YouTube he regularly visits the area and tells how other Muslin countries hate Palestinians
Hamas are doing the dirty work for the Saudis
Nice one Newcastle good owners along with Man City
Chitrak – after partition India and the newly established Pakistan massacred each other. Maybe 2million. No doubt you’ll blame Britain……. You could just have got on with each other?
I agree with you, TR7. Gaza should have been turned into rubble/parking lot decades ago by Israelis, the inbred Arabs are fortunate the Jews are peaceful people who would prefer to coexist.
JWL – wow that’s some hate speech.
Whatever the rights and wrongs . Literally try having your house and land taken away which you’ve rightfully owned by someone claiming some sort of deal granted by god 2000 years previously.
We wouldn’t expect a person to view the Irish through the lens of the IRA or UDA this was still the case in 1972 with no warning bomb detonations. Neither should we view all Palestinians through the lens of Hamas or Fatah
Here’s a thought exercise:
– You’re sat there on Oct 7th seeing media reports of masked gunmen drive through towns in your Country, shouting anti-Jewish slurs whilst killing unarmed civilians – women, children, men. How do you feel? Probably like you want to f*ck some shit up, right?
– you were born in this narrow strip of land, have spent the last 15y in abject poverty, wondering what’s beyond the walls you’re not allowed to pass. You’ve almost become inured to the sound of rocket fire overhead, being manhandled by men in khakis whilst being rude to you, the constant struggle to get enough food and clean water. Medical care? Forget it. Hope, pffff. Meanwhile, A group of young men have recently started speaking of finally standing up against them and offered you to join. How do you feel? Probably like you want to f*ck some shit up, right?
Therein lies the problem – as Churchill once said: The worst quarrels only arise when both sides are equally in the right and in the wrong.
“Literally try having your house and land taken away which you’ve rightfully owned by someone claiming some sort of deal granted by god 2000 years previously.”
Israel and Yasir Arafat had a peace deal agreed between them, Arafat chickened out at the last moment. More than their own land and house it seems like they want a Jewish country to be obliterated. From the river to the sea slogan says it all.
From all popular opinion the Palestine’s can go fuck themselves and deserved to be massacred, while the Israelis are ordained by the great God himself to take the land for themselves. This is precisely the powerful west have always been telling others to get away from their own legacy of anti-Semitism leading to the Holocaust.
There is no football, so lets speak bullshit, why would any sane person would want to learn from some stupid uneducated bunch of idiots anything meaningful about current affairs let alone world history on here ?
Israelis should ditch Netanyahu, and get someone more moderate who wants peace instead of security as his mantra
Gazans should have other options aside from Hamas.
Says a left leaning ignorant lunatic.
How about the PA?
Do yourself a favour a watch that innocent Thai man, getting his head chopped off with a garden hoe by Hamas butchers?
Hamas have to be dealt with like Isis, and Netanyahu will do it.
So the person to blame in all of this is GOD. First he sets up Jehovah land corporation and promises a large tract of fertile land to the Jews. Then setting up as Allah land securities he sells the same prime plot to the Arabs.
Dispute is still running and may need to go to the high court in Armageddon.
“Literally try having your house and land taken away which you’ve rightfully owned …”
wiki – “Although the earliest mention of Israel is inscribed on the Merneptah Stele around 1213–1203 BCE, religious literature tells the story of Israelites going back at least as far as c. 1500 BCE.”
Wiki – “The Sursock Purchase of the Jezreel Valley and Haifa Bay, as well as other parts of Mandatory Palestine, was the largest Jewish land purchase in Palestine during the period of early Jewish immigration.”
I think you should go back to focusing on Sid’s todger, Markymark.
JWL – I think you’ve got the interest in cocks
JWL – so where they then post AD. Ridiculous comments, there was mass conversation and movement of people throughout generations. It’s like someone claiming a house in Edinburgh because they are a Pict.
Abu Nidal one of the worst terrorists became a terrorist after his family business and land in Jaffa was taken from him by Jewish settlers. Taking peoples land has extreme effects
The person who probably could have eventually brought about peace was assassinated. Yitzhak Rabin.
Exactly Rabin was sadly the most successful assassination in history. Pragmatic secular giving way to religious fervour
“The person who probably could have eventually brought about peace was assassinated. Yitzhak Rabin.”
Killed by a ”peace loving” Israeli, apparently.
Here i am minding my business as a peace loving le grover but they wont leave my longstuff alone
These are biblical lands promised to us’: Jewish settlers in West Bank hope Gaza conflict will help their cause – quote from the Observer.
Well I guess that’s ok then. Rabin would of course called this bullshit but as Tom notes an Israeli fundamentalist Jew killed him .
Absolutely nothing will happen to Chelsea and City.
Everton will take the blame just like one banker did for world wide fraud before 2008 financial crisis.
land disputes are notoriously difficult and can turn nasty even without elements of severe neurological imbalance aka religion.
“The Gaza war has dramatically increased the sense of solidarity with Israel among its 21% Arab minority, who often identify as Palestinian and have long complained of discrimination by the state, a poll published on Friday found.
Asked if they feel part of the country, 70% of Arab citizens polled said “yes”, up from 48% in June ….
Asked if, given an alternative Western citizenship, they would leave Israel, 80.5% of Jewish respondents said they would stay, as did 59% of Arab respondents, the IDI poll found.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/
That’s really interesting if it’s a true reflection, Jwl. Don’t mean to be a negative Nancy, though, but if you were an Israeli Arab, had for years complained about discrimination and then suddenly saw the events of Oct 7th before a man with a clipboard came and asked you if you were, essentially, one of us? Irrespective of what you felt, what would you say?
Since you are all heavy on the subject of Arsenal and football in general… Bob I must agree.. Who is this 15 year old Dane… Let’s hope better head than Bentdner..
Anyone with the info on the child prodigy who just scored 10 against Liverpool who’s name is CHIDO BI-Martin?
Good post BTW Pedro.. But I just can’t accept this mentality of “let’s wait until MC are found guilty because we don’t have a chance without that happening”
“I definitely owe Wenger an apology over the Hazard transfer, where I previously thought he could’ve done more to secure his services.
It now appears he never really stood a chance.”
Me too.
The rest of Tom’s comments on the subject I think are the most accurate on what Wenger was up against.
We were spoiled as fans to watch that quality of football for many years.
DON you racist POS, stop this bullshit and Israeli propaganda, both sides are murderers of kids and civilians.
China 9/11 was not about terrorism or victims but money power and destruction of civil rights, just same like they used covid.
Absolutely Wenger laboured under an enormous handicap but there were plenty of other failings that had nothing to do with Chelsea or latterly City. Refusal to buy a defensive midfielder and claiming that Almunia was ‘world class’ spring to mind. Both could have been fixed with a modest investment.
Havertz has scored
Haverts is playing as a left back (!). Food for thought for Arteta.
Who does this?… These people are seriously sick in the head.
https://x.com/olilondontv/status/1725882938036744251?s=61
When bat-shit crazy human rights laws, prohibit us from controlling our own borders, and do more to protect foreign criminals + terrorists, than they do to protect our national security, and the safety of our communities…
Those laws aren’t worth the paper that they are written on.
If they’re doing this to a defenceless puppy and bragging about it online?.. What are they getting up to when nobody is looking?…
People need to wake up to some harsh realities very quickly.. Because ideology is now catching up with reality…
Next up:
Palestine v Australia in Kuwait WC Qualifier
India v Australia WC Final
It’s all happening in Oz sport🇦🇺
TR7 JWL and others who are hopeful that Netanyahu destroys hamas. Please listen to Elon Musk the other day…
Im not a fan of him, but he made sense when he said if the goal is to rid of Hamas and other terrorists, killing innocent Palestinians ( over 10K now) is only going to breed more Hamas and terrorism. So, are you really winning this battle?
Are you becoming safer?
You all are so damn reactionary, dont bother to do any damn research.
Conservative lot on here ..
Ive been called liberal plenty of times, I like it. So continue to do so. 🙂
Bunch of lefties on here too so I aint worried
But just imagine, growing up as a Gazan. I wonder how you would feel? Try it, really think about that.
Victim blaming ( Gazans) etc a typical way to degrade others- there are reasons I am sure other countries are not taking them in. Not sure its because they are this and that.
Havertz” handball is punished by a penalty kick.
He is involved, that’s for sure.
I see him running with the ball, passing. Not a useless plsyer. May a bit shy cin the final third.
Havertz receives the ball at thr edge of the bax, shoots, hits a defender.
Gibraltar, so near but so far…
Havertz’ watch.
Conclusion: if it does not work out for him at Arsenal, we’ll always have an option of selling him for 20-25mln to a Bundesliga club.
Havertz’ watch.
According to Germany”s boss Nagelsmann, Kai Havertz has a remarkable header strength.
jwl
the inbred Arabs are fortunate the Jews are peaceful people
Takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile I suppose
Was defeating the nazis a mistake, Guns of SF?
Should the allies have ignored them instead because nazis still exist, the ideology unfortunately still popular with people like Markymark, Tom and many others. I actually like Musk, love his space program, but he talking out of his arse if he thinks we should leave nazis alone.
“The Ohlone are the predominant Indigenous group of the Bay Area, including the Chochenyo and the Karkin in East Bay, the Ramaytush in San Francisco, the Yokuts in South Bay and Central Valley …”
Would you support these indigenous people if they were keen to kill you and your family, Guns of SF?
Oh dear, I just read about Havertz performance tonight, I told you guys that he equivalent of ginger step child.
SV
What about Joe Biden watch? What’s that dopey old fart sniffing today?
Only a fucking idiot would compare these two events.
Luteo
You’re almost correct there lad except for one thing. They are comparable int at the same old faces are on the streets causing havoc around the wester world over both incidents
Only this time they are in support of the killing.
Still no minutes silence for the children who were savagely murdered in their own homes.
George Floyd gets two years of kneeling. Clown world
Anyway
I’m not that fussed over politics anymore
Just find it disgraceful how football selects its causes and they always fall on the politically correct, globalist approved current thing
Guns I don’t support the way Israel has handled it which is why I haven’t chosen sides
The response has not been sufficiently focused on Hamas as you mention and the wider suffering this is causing will indeed breed a whole new generation of Hamas supporters
Totally agree
But that in no way whatsoever justifies supporting Hamas and their terrorism. That’s not reactionary at all. That’s observing that ‘the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend’. Hamas’ end goal is the eradication of all Jews. Another holocaust is their wet dream. It’s as bad as calling hitlers goons freedom fighters when he was trying to take power in Germany. It’s so fundamentally immoral.
The vast majority of people including the state of Israel have supported the idea of a two state solution going back many decades now. That is the best chance of lasting peace. Each time it was discussed with israel it was the other side which rejected it.
So again, this idea that there’s been nothing that Palestinians could’ve done peacefully to get peace and a country built in their image is outright false. That’s not what their leaders want. They want all Jewish in israel dead. Why else did they so gleefully carry out these attacks rather than return to the table to discuss a two state solution?
So you mention people doing a lack of research but I don’t think you’ve fully thought your position through mate