FIRING UP THE ATMOSPHERE AT THE EMIRATES

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Well, PGMOL did exactly what I said they’d do… 10 days after the Newcastle game, they planned their counter-attack on Mikel Arteta and they totally botched it.

How bad?

Michael Owen was calling the media ‘scumbags’ after the show went out and went full Donald Trump on the perception of the interview when he said ‘most people thought the show was insightful and educational.’

The show was not.

They cut the output to suit Howard Webb, they chose a docile host who’d already signaled his obedience with tweets before the show, and they managed to botch the offside rule in front of the country.

Needless to say, the reaction from all corners of Premier League fandom was absolutely brutal, this was a total failure of process, and a PR disaster for Howard Webb.

I cannot say it enough times: Your big idea as CEO of PGMOL cannot be ‘cozy up with the big pundits and gaslight the fans.’

G-Nev, Carragher, and Owen all thought they had the celebrity might to pull one over the fans… and no one is having it. Those guys like being liked, they’ll come crawling back to the middle on this in no time and correct their erroneous ways. Then what does Howard Webb have? Nothing.

PGMOL can only win hearts and minds with big ideas, cutting change, and consistent results on the pitch.

Howard Webb can’t deliver that. He’s part of the furniture. He cannot be an ideas man because he’s too deep in the trenches with incapable talent he would probably class as family.

No one is ever honest with family. Hard truths are glossed over. We accept mediocrity, character flaws, and incompetence in those we love. That’s why Mike Dean saved his mate from a bad day at Chelsea versus calling the correct decision. That’s why Lee Mason was rehired just months after a brutal public sacking. They are all family.

Anyway… amusing to see Owen feel the burn after siding with PGMOL propaganda.

Innnnnnn other news…

Gabi Jesus was sent to Brazil despite limping into the hotel lobby on official social channels. Why did he have to go? What was the point? This is a country that benched him for RICHARLISON. Now they want to wheel him out injured? It pains me to see.

Our friends over at Highbury Squad dropped a monster podcast with Aaron Ramsdale’s dad… and it was not pretty. (here)

He had a few too many drinks and went PROUD DAD on his son. As a parent who celebrates my child stacking two boxes on top of each other, I can see why Nick Ramsdale went nuclear on Mikel and the choice to pick David Raya over his son. But it was a bad idea. People are desperate to pretend it’s not important and Arteta won’t care… but he will. Not that it has changed anything. Aaron will be out the door in January and that will be that. It’s a shame, but I do think the lack of focus has cost him. The performances on the pitch were bad, but the podcasting and media darling aspect at the same time hasn’t helped him.

Podcasts will win you fans outside the club, but I’m not sure over-saturating yourself in the media helps you in an Arteta dressing room.

Last section, there’s a very interesting battle of ideas going off regarding the atmosphere at The Emirates.

It has declined.

There was a lot of denial at the start of the season that this was the case, but now everyone has caved, and the verdict is in: we’re back to having a limp atmosphere.

The least convincing excuse is: ‘expectations have changed’

I’d buy it if the only thing that changed between last season and now was contending the title.

Before you determine why something isn’t working – you have to understand what made it tick in the first place.

CLUB ENGAGEMENT:

When clubs engage meaningfully with supporters and take on their ideas, it improves the vibes in the stadium. A very simple idea, but if you ask fans how to make things noisy, take their ideas on board, and implement them. You’re on a good path. Arsenal engaged with fans extensively and we know this because they said it in the NYT.

FAMILIARITY:

Again, another basic. People that go to a lot of games understand the norms in a stadium and that makes it easier for everyone to vibe. There’s a reason things feel very different between a Premier League game and an Emirates Cup outing. Different people bring different energy. Stadiums with elite atmospheres generally have a lot of repeat fans.

For the older crowd that read this blog… remember how sterile it was going from Highbury to The Ems? That’s why familiarity is important. It took years to break the staleness because it took years to care about those around you.

SUPPORTER SECTIONS:

If you’re American, you get this term. If you’re an 80s fan, this would be the terrace fans. If you’re Italian, it’d be the Ultras. Creating a section in the stadium that is dedicated to fans who sing, wave flags, and hit drums is essential to creating a great vibe. In MLS, those sections are 3000 strong. In Dortmund, their singing stand is called the yellow wall and it’s 25,000 strong. It doesn’t matter the weather, the score, the performance, these fans keep the vibe banging. Arsenal did this with the AA, we know this, because they spoke about it in the NYT.

The caveat is the group was exposed for disgusting antisemitism that came out in The Guardian. There’s no excuse for that. But I’m working off the notion that the club dealt with it – because they said they did. You can’t hold a whole group accountable for the actions of a few.

EXPECTATIONS: When you’re doing a root-cause analysis in a blog – I don’t think it’s prudent to try and gauge something ethereal like expectation. 50,000 people all deciding at once that they are too good for singing because they now expect Arsenal to win the title doesn’t really work for me. It’s an especially odd conclusion considering how well we’ve been doing this season. Did Arsenal fans all decide to can the singing because we’re… 2 points off top in the EPL and top of our CL group? Doesn’t work for me. If expectation shifts were a problem then tell me how being exactly where you need to be if you want to win the league kills fan mood in the stadium?

Ok, so now we know what worked – let’s talk about what changed.

NEW: LESS ENGAGEMENT. Now, take what certain fans groups say with a pinch of salt… but the AA crowd say that club engagement has stopped with them. The club don’t listen to their ideas, approve their tifos, and they’ve cut their tickets.

I don’t know why that’s happened – it might be because they don’t want to deal with folk that caused embarrassment to them. If that’s the case, fine. But don’t kill the core idea and assume only one group is interested in making noise. Broaden the group. Encourage new ones. Work out a way to get the spirit of a supporter section into the stadium.

Cutting 200 tickets (0.03% of the stadium) to 150 is counter-productive. It also looks like the club is saying ‘we’re cool again, so we don’t need your aggro.’

NEW: LESS FAMILIARITY. I don’t want to go too far down a rabbit hole because #TicketDrama twitter is by far the most boring thing I read on the internet. But the message from the big voices was clear.

  1. Loyalty has been usurped
  2. The priority is access for more people
  3. It is harder for people to shift tickets

Now, I understand the thinking here. Having to spend 8 years going to Bolton away to get a home ticket ain’t right, but people did it so they could get access to single tickets. That’s all in the bin and the club has moved to random ballots. Red members have an 11% chance of a ticket, Silver has been 32%.

So here me out here – first-timers should be welcome. I am a TOURIST fan myself, and I should be welcome because I write all these free blogs. But you cannot ignore the reality of what newness brings… unfamiliarity. Arsenal ain’t the same as it used to be for me. I don’t sing because I don’t know anyone in the section. It’s just different. That doesn’t make me less of a fan – it’s just my reality. If you’re a tourist fan, stop complaining on Twitter you’re the same as regulars because you’re not. That doesn’t mean you don’t care, or you aren’t passionate, it just means you don’t fully get the vibe because you are new.

Back to what has changed: Were we seeing complaints of early leavers last season? Were people taking videos of empty seats? Were people saying the atmosphere was grim? No. No. No.

At a corporate level – you are celebrating the right things.

  • Ticket touts aren’t flogging spares for £400 a piece
  • More NEW fans are getting into the stadium
  • We aren’t dealing with supporters that bring reputational risk to the club

… but at the same time.

The stadium feels more sterile because there are lots of first-timers.

The designated noise makers have lost 25% of their already pitiful allocation and they feel ignored.

The new balloting system riles everyone up the wrong way.

… and the final point: The vibes are not immaculate in the stadium.

It is very hard getting people to contribute to a great atmosphere. When it happens, document why the magic is happening, pour petrol all over it, and light a match. Don’t hide behind ‘nuanced’ or ‘complicated’ especially if we’ve seen heard the promised land.

It doesn’t take much to damage vibes – and too much change will do that. This season, it looks like the tinkering has broken something. Maybe the club should spend less time arming their online allies with sound bites to defend the problem and more time working out how they achieved greatness.*

After all, no one wants to sit in a quiet stadium, especially the players.

(*Hint: take a look at the Rory Smith New York Times article and try that again.)

 

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Guns of SF

Wing

Rich

Guns That doesn’t solve the problem… This is the mistake fans made with Partey, assuming that we just needed to manage Partey’s game time better, and rotate him with Rice to keep him fit. If a player is injury prone, then they’re unreliable however much they play, and if Toney then gets injured… And we have to rely on Jesus for any period of time?… You want to punt our season on that?.,.That’s some high stakes game of Russian Roulette… Same with Rice, if anything happened to Rice, who would want to gamble on Partey across any period of time?…… Read more »

Bob N16

Agree Rich, the knock on effect of players that are regularly unavailable is that others play too much. It feels as though we’ve had a history of these players or is it the same with every other club?

Guns of SF

Rich, Who is to say Toney gets injured? Jesus on the other hand, has a long history of injuries. If not Toney, then whom? I am not counting on Jesus being fit ever. I love the guy and his intensity but that is also how he sometimes gets these injuries. I like Tross at striker but long term not sure that is the best solution. If we are in striking distance in Jan, I would gamble on a striker to fire us forward. The left CM can be shoe horned and rotated with Zin, Viera, Kai etc, but a lack… Read more »

Karsa

I think our defence will shelter us from the lack of a consistent striker.

We will only need one or two goals to win most matches this season.

I’d take Zubimendi/Luiz in January.

I’d take Toney, but not with Eddie going the other way. We’d need Eddie to cover Toney.

Eddie can go when we bring in another striker in the summer.

Bilbo

I cant think of anyone else better and attainable so bringing problems not solutions BUT Toney is not the one. I get it why people think he adds a bit of edge we don’t currently have, especially in the context of Haaland-era City, but we can do better. He’s just a slightly more physical Darren Bent Regen.

Mysticleaves

I’d dump Jesus to the bench (ST/RW) tomorrow and sign a better striker. I don’t believe that Jesus is better than Toney. I just think they have different playing styles but same level players. Jesus is not world class by any stretch of the imagination and won’t start in any top team consistently that has ambitions of winning the league (he wasn’t a consistent starter at city until whenever Aguero got injured) and neither would Toney. Both are the kind of strikers you have either as an option or as a top 4 competitor. Both are 26/27/28 ish and are… Read more »

Rich

I’m not overly sold on Toney, certainly not for anything north of £35 million.

I was just wondering if anyone would take better availability with an inferior player, over poor availability with a superior player…

Bilbo

If we go down the route of more direct GJ replacement, which we should, what about Lautaro Martinez? Scores at a rate of 1 in 2, approx, much better injury history than GJ, fairly decent in the air, works hard and can manage with his back to the goal with a bit of the b*stard about him.

Bilbo

Rich, I guess we’ve got that already with Eddie Vs Jesus

Rich

Bilbo

But that’s the issue… Our issue isn’t that we’re spending roughly 1% of our budget on an academy striker as a squad player.

Our issue is that our first choice centre forward who cost £45 million, and earns £200,000 p/w….. Hasn’t as of yet been able to stay fit to contribute on a consistent basis.

Hopefully that changes soon, because he’s a really top player when fit.

Bilbo

I mean to your comment:

I was just wondering if anyone would take better availability with an inferior player (Eddie), over poor availability with a superior player (Jesus).

I agree re what Jesus can offer vs what he ultimately does. Realistically, he’s young enough and not *quite* perma-crock enough to recoup some money on him soon. As with Partey, if we hold in the hope he comes good, we’ll have no resale value, high wages and Eddie leading the line for more than his ability deserves to at a club with reasonable title aspirations.

Markymark

Apparently Chelsea have given u on Earls Court and are facing a potential 5 years of football external to the Bridge.
Not that I care a crap about them but it does make you wonder whether they’d be better doing a brownfield site in the Thames valley. They seem to have pockets of support in towns like Reading through to slow and I’d say are not as lodged into an area like Arsenal/ Spurs / Westham / Millwall

Markymark

Slow* slough 😂

Mysticleaves

I’d take L Martinez. He’s developed his game much more than to be just a poacher. And he’s thriving with the responsibility of being Inter’s talisman.

Guns of SF

Bilbo,
I like Lautaro, and strikers also in the mold of Suarez, just a menace to deal with.
However, he is argentine, and we know they are a close bunch, I doubt he comes here with Mike as coach

Guns of SF

I like Jesus on the wing, seems to be better at bringing the ball into play versus down the middle where he is often crowded out by larger CB’s
Fool can dribble the ball , unlike Eddie, can spell Saka if needed IMO.
We need a tall striker. Sadly if Toney was 2-3 inches taller, his stock would be much higher.

Guns of SF

Winter window I dont expect a big name striker. Napoli/ Inter will not sell their prized players
Esp Napoli and their difficult owner.

Mysticleaves

Yes. Much harder to get top quality in January window except release clause.

salparadisenyc

Zubimendi is a quality player theres a lot to like about him and the need is clearly there for us, definitely fits the versatility mold of current Arteta. On the midfield front, one of Zubi/Rice/ Ødegaard could be very good, do think we’d still see Rice in more advanced positions.

Rumours aside and release clause or not do we see him doing a winter move after qualifying for the UCL knock out stages with his boyhood club? Sociedad haven’t reached this stage since 2004, seems unlikely to me.

Meanwhile Arteta booked by the FA.

Guns of SF

Mike should respond to the charge with the audio of the nerds in the VAR booth.
Leave it at that.

Ben D

So they finally decide to change Arteta? Absolute rubbish. He should go and tell all.of them to fuck off. We will fund any fine through a gofundme

salparadisenyc

Not sustainable way game is currently being pushed by the PGMOL with FA overseeing. The quality levels are too low, the good ole boy network is going to break it. The smart pundits should look to expose rather than pull the embrace thats been shovelled at us.

The timing of this Arteta charge is so rich and was always the timeline, give it time, release the VAR audio test the waters let that settle then charge him.

MidwestGun

Yes let’s book Arteta for telling the truth about how he feels, and pretty much everyone feels… Fans, managers and the smart pundits. Pgmol and their VAR implementation methods are an embarrassment. Meanwhile.. let’s dock a few points off of Everton… Nevermind, City and their 120 potential infringements we have had 10 years to investigate. The PL gives 2 shits about their brand image, clearly, as long as they are racking up the money from the viewing rights and the influx of Oil money from new ownership. Just keeps rolling along like… nothing to see here… move along. Reminds me… Read more »

Bilbo

Yeh, I don’t see a big name in January generally but Inter are still pretty screwed financially if I recall correctly. He would be a prime Simeone striker, also Argie too. I’ll tell you what: we’ll chuck in a ‘we promise we’ll refer to them as the Malvinas islands’ clause and see if that swings it?

WengerEagle

Lautaro is nothing like Suarez. He’s a penalty box striker that is a lethal finisher on his day and to be fair he’s excellent at what he does and he’s very consistent in Italy. But he’s low touches, not very involved in link-up play and as we saw in the World Cup he fluffs his lines on the biggest stage. Suarez on the other hand was a one-man wrecking ball. A complete offensive juggernaut that could do everything Martinez can do but better along with being a vastly superior passer, dribbler and linker of play. 2012-2014 Suarez is at the… Read more »

WengerEagle

Suarez also lived for the big games. Scored the winner in the CL Final, scored the league winning goal basically vs Real Madrid in the Clasico, ran amok against all the big teams in England and he even scored crippled against England in the World Cup.

Even banged in a hat-rick last week away against league leaders Botafogo in Brazil to single-handedly turn a 3-1 deficit into a 4-3 win and keep Gremio in the title race. At close to 37 years of age and physically destroyed by injuries and age.

WengerEagle

Julian Alvarez was plucked from River Plate. There is plenty of talent to be found in South America, I wish we exploited that market a bit more with Edu on paper giving us leg-up you’d think.

Martinelli has been great for us so the fact that we haven’t had another crack at Brazil in 4 years which is odd.

salparadisenyc

Imagine if Wenger sealed those deals for Suarez and Hazard, no question for me we’d have at least another title, likely more.

Edu took another swing with Marqhinos for some Saka depth not even sure where he’s on loan.

Guns of SF

40M plus one

SMH

Mysticleaves

There’s a certain Brazilian winger by name Marquinhos who used to be on our books …

WengerEagle

Suarez alone in 2013 easily would have been enough for a title. With respect to Giroud he wasn’t remotely near Suarez’s league.

2013-14 we were actually very good up until we collapsed in the Spring with the away humiliations to Liverpool and Chelsea.

Raulishuss

Suggesting lutaro as any sort of replacement for Jesus is just okay!? Suggesting he’s a better player is just plain wrong. With trossard picking up form we just about need options rn and frankly I’ll be inclined to get a quality wide player to rotate with Saka/martinelli. Trossard has proven to be more than capable at this stage and I’ll be honestly betting on him over a lutaro as replacement for Jesus.

MidwestGun

If Jesus.. can stay healthy.. we don’t need a striker in January.. the amount of disrespect he gets is unbelievable when you consider where we were before he got here. The short term memory on here is mind boggling at times. No one remembers the Laca/ Auba 8th, 5th, 5th debacle? Jesus has an excellent strike record in the CL, we are in it mainly due to him, we need that. Now I get that Jesus staying healthy is most likely not gonna happen when he seems to go about life .. like he is indestructible but I don’t know… Read more »

Raulishuss

Suarez alone in 2013 easily would have been enough for a title. With respect to Giroud he wasn’t remotely near Suarez’s league.2013-14 we were actually very good up until we collapsed in the Spring with the away humiliations to Liverpool and Chelsea.

Tbh we were very good attacking wise but our mid/defense let us down

Rich

Suarez without doubt the greatest centre forward of a generation.

The most ruthless finisher, elite movement, won games on his own, plenty of industry + aggression.

He was the full package, I’d take peak Suarez over Haaland without blinking.

WengerEagle

Think your memory is letting you down there Raul.

Giroud could have had us 2-0 up at Stamford Bridge if he could actually finish before they even scored. We were absolutely shocking offensively in the away defeats to Chelsea, Pool, Everton, etc. simply didn’t show up.

WengerEagle

Obviously.

Haaland is like a bigger, stronger and much faster Ruud Van Nistelrooy.

Whereas peak Suarez was a one-man army capable of winning games on his own even if his team were playing shit.

He very nearly dragged a crap Pool side to the title, they conceded over 50 PL goals ffs and had a captain that played on ice.

MidwestGun

John Henry … was never gonna sell us Suarez.. He said as much. It’s why I hate the Red Sox until this day.

Guns of SF

Fucking cheapskate Wenger thought the clubs cash was his.
Who we could have had would be a world class starting 11 with all the misses

gnarleygeorge9

“Gone Donald Trump”

Now re-arrange the words Biden, Gone, Joe, and you get Joe Biden Gone 😝 , in 12 months you’ll be rid of the silly old embarrassment🤞

WengerEagle

I think it was pretty obvious even in 2013 that 40m was peanuts for him not that I’m defending how Henry went about it, guy’s a prized wanker.

MidwestGun

I think we could have offered 80 mill and John Henry would have said no.. He didn’t want to help Arsenal. The …. +1 pound note thing was embarrassing… mind you.

Guns of SF

The endless nickle and diming continues to this day

Raulishuss

Giroud could have had us 2-0 up at Stamford Bridge if he could actually finish before they even scored. We were absolutely shocking offensively in the away defeats to Chelsea, Pool, Everton, etc. simply didn’t show up.

Wenger should have opted to pair giroud Santi poldi with di maria instead of signing ozil when he couldn’t get Suarez. Giroud has proven he can lead teams to big moments and trophies too albeit doing it his own way.

Rich

Suarez was banned when we tried to sign him… But I still can’t believe nobody else was in for him that summer.

Rodgers originally said.. “Cavani has just gone to PSG for £55-£60 million, and we rate Suarez in the same bracket”…

Suarez was our Cantana moment… To sign the leagues best player from a rival, who was just entering his prime…. And we missed it.

Opportunities like that don’t come around very often..

MidwestGun

I think Suarez’s rep as a slightly unstable neck biter.. drove down his value some.

Raulishuss

Suarez made Messi better. Can’t pay anyone more of a complement. The guy could literally do it all even play aa a battering ram for simeone and won a league.

Kpankulu

@Un:
Vickingz How did fergie justify veron Forlan, Anderson or even berbatov
Something fishy there

You forgot the great Bebe!

Guns of SF

Barca did Suarez dirty

Guns of SF

and he got sweet revenge lol

Freddie Ljungberg

I still think we need to stop buying non world class players from our rivals just because they’re “PL ready”. We’re never going to overtake City that way, we need elite talent no matter where they’re from.

Our 3 biggest talents are Martinelli Saliba and Saka and 2 of those were plucked from relative obscurity in Brazil and France.
No reason we can’t do that again but with someone a bit further along in their development.
Buying players like Havertz and Toney isn’t going to bring us back to the very top.

Bilbo

When Gabi plays he totally changes the way defenses have to structure themselves, opening up opportunities for the rest of the team to get forward/ between the lines. He causes chaos. However, that he is a streaky goalscorer and injury-prone means he can’t reliably be our #1 striker. It’s like we’re trying to recreate City-latter day Aguero era, the difference being Sergio was signif above Jesus’ level and City had the sort of depth in attacking mids/IFs that score that we realistically won’t ever have. Selling Nelson, keeping Gabi as a sub/rotation option with Martinelli/Saka and getting a more reliable… Read more »

MidwestGun

Ya I agree with that somewhat Freddie.. I think the issue is people think the window of opportunity is now or never. So roll the dice.. on Toney. Seems too much like a panic buy thing for me, personally.

We have bought some good PL players.. though.. Trossard, Rice, Jesus, Zinchenko.. Ben White.

Guns of SF

Freddie I agree with you but the winter window makes it hard to find that
Toney seems to be in the right place right time.
A powerful striker he is no doubt, which is kinda what we need… good in air with endless crosses we pump in

Freddie Ljungberg

Mid

“We have bought some good PL players.. though.. Trossard, Rice, Jesus, Zinchenko.. Ben White.”

Sure, but only Rice is really in the bracket of the 3 I mentioned and he cost 105m, how many times can we pay that much for a player?

That’s 250m worth of players right there.
I really like Trossard, wanted us to buy him when he was linked from Genk, think that was the summer we bought Pepe, but he has his limitations, so does Zinny and Jesus, both in ability and availability.

Rich

Securing elite talent is really difficult, even when clubs have money. City played a strikerless system for a few seasons… When they couldn’t get Kane, they preferred to adapt rather than settle, until they could get Haaland. It’s why I was desperate for Arsenal to get Rice this summer, and would have loved Caicedo as well… Albeit for a 70% of the price. If we can’t sign elite talent, it’s then about signing the right profiles to operate within our system. I think our next 2 moves are likely to be Zubimendi, and then bringing back Patino. Patino isn’t ready… Read more »

Bilbo

I would say Toney is better than Eddie but not materially; if we could swap the two I’d go for it, maybe even chucking in some small cash but the thought of him as our savior seems fanciful. Agreed Rich re Patino – I hope we’ve not alienated him with the loans and, so far, lack of opportunities at the Emirates. He’s definitely needed to develop, more so physically if anything, and his loan to Blackpool/Swansea this year should have helped on that front. As a bit part player next year integrating into a Pl squad, I can really see… Read more »

Rich

Bilbo There was reputable reports he wanted out permanently this summer.. I don’t think he’s ready to play for Arsenal yet, I’ve seen him 4 times this season. It’s absolutely right that he’s out on loan learning his trade, he needs to learn to walk before he can run.. He’ll get more from playing 2,500 minutes at Blackpool last season, and hopefully north of 3,000 minutes at Swansea, than he would being a bit part player at Arsenal. We’ve included him on our B-List.. But I’d be inclined to leave him at Swansea to continue developing away from the club,… Read more »

Guns of SF

Given Mikes track record I cannot see him pulling from our academy
Check book manager

salparadisenyc

We’re having a pretty good Academy moment right now w/ Saka, Nketiah, ESR and Nelson all in the first team if were honest.

MidwestGun

Yep.. very close to Pierre’s 2018 love affair youth team..

Nelson………… Edde……. Saka

Willock……. Zelalem……….ESR

.Thompson……..Ballard…….. Mavro …….. AMN

……………Emi Martinez.

salparadisenyc

Buying Toney in the winter window at a premium speaks to me of a summer window fucked up.

Positive pete

Arteta charged .No surprise there.Now can he appeal? If so on what grounds? PGMOL/ VAR incompetence?what’s his options to make them squirm& defend our club?

salparadisenyc

Zelalem lmao what an XI Middy.

Guns of SF

Sal them guys were not Artetas doing, he used them when desperate and the rest was history.
We should every 1-2 years bring up a player who is ready into the first team. Sad that is not happening. Our own kids are special

rollen

Tets charged by crooks and atacked publicly.
Time for Josh to bring big hitters corpo lawyers!
Not the biggest fan of Arteta but FA and PGMOL fraudsters can go fuck themselves.

Rich

Big Gabby + Martinelli both starting for Brazil, .. Looks like Martinelli is starting as a No9.

GD4

Arteta might be in a spot of bother with this charge.
The natives have been looking to make an example and settle some scores with him.
Arsenal need to start making some Machiavellian moves or else they will drop the hammer on Mikel. … plus who knows what else will lie ahead as the season progresses … not good at all

China1

The charging of arteta by the authorities is a direct admission of guilt. This is an act of simple revenge on their part And the reason why it’s so obvious is they waited so long after the incident before charging him, Normally this kind of thing is done within days. But whilst all eyes were on the officials and how shit they are they said absolutely nothing. Suddenly after everything has died down and a few weeks have passed, they’ve coincidentally found the time to charge him. This is like one of those crap scooby doo plots where you always… Read more »

Dissenter

Arsenal should just pay the fine,. don’t contest it-don’t admits it
Just move on

It’s like paying a traffic speeding fine that doesn’t add points to your licence
You’ll lose more contesting it in front of idiots

China1

This is exactly why I keep saying clubs need to get their managers to stop talking after they get robbed by officials and get the lawyers involved instead And I’m not blaming Mikel at all. But him lashing out at authorities and getting into trouble is a direct consequence of the suits at the club not taking matters into their own hands – which they must. Stop leaving the coach to fight a war against the system. It’s not his job. Club execs and lawyers should be working every legal channel they have to fight these battles for him so… Read more »

China1

I’ll never understand why people were embarrassed at the 40+1 bid we made for Suarez He was understood to have a release clause. That was the minimum value believed needed to trigger it. Why would arsenal offer more than the release clause? The only thing that’s embarrassing is 1) how did we get this seemingly wrong info about the release clause? 2) if he did have a release clause we should’ve pressed legal charges for our bid still getting rejected. I seem to recall pool owners bragging that the clause was real but that they rejected us anyway. And arsenal… Read more »

salparadisenyc

Arsenal should do the right thing, it’s time for Josh to bring in the Wolf, Winston Wolf for those that know.

Freddie Ljungberg

China

It wasn’t a release clause like they do them in Spain, it was just the minimum amount we had to bid to be able to talk to the player and his agent, they didn’t have to sell for that price.

GD4

P

Kpankulu

Goalazo Martinelli!

Dissenter

Corporations And billionaires pay fines to settle lots of stuff, without admitting guilt
Is naive to think the Kroenke family or Arteta will want this incident to drag on beyond this week.

Arteta is not the freedom fighting manager of the league. He’s had his say- what’s said is seared into living memory. We will pay the measly fine and move on.

What will attorneys do besides charge you exorbitant fees/hr?
Are they going to rewrite the laws/rules?

Marko

Martinelli starting CF and scoring is fantastic. I personally don’t see him as a leading the line type but to consistently start for Brazil he probably needs to be at CF

WengerEagle

Martinelli is pure quality. Love that lad, my favourite player for us since Cesc left.

I think he will 100% end up playing through the middle and have done for years now. He has all of the ST instincts needed along with the rounded game to excel there, he just needs to season a bit longer.

GD4

“ This is exactly why I keep saying clubs need to get their managers to stop talking after they get robbed by officials and get the lawyers involved instead And I’m not blaming Mikel at all. But him lashing out at authorities and getting into trouble is a direct consequence of the suits at the club not taking matters into their own hands – which they must. Stop leaving the coach to fight a war against the system. It’s not his job. Club execs and lawyers should be working every legal channel they have to fight these battles for him… Read more »

Nigel Tufnel

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“Arsenal need to start making some Machiavellian moves or else they will drop the hammer on Mikel. … plus who knows what else will lie ahead as the season progresses … not good at all”
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— LOL what does that even mean?

Panic stations from the frightened BW’s..

An inconsequential fine, or a little touchline ban and this guy’s all doom.

Don’t wet yourself too much. We’ll be fine.

Useroz

Brazil lost 2 1 despite Martinelli’s early goall citing a lack of creativity. Interesting!

With Vinicius addes to the injuries, Diniz would be pushing Jesus to up his fitness to try ready for the Tues qualifier vs Argentina.

Fear for the worse if Jesus stepped onto that pitch….

Useroz

.*added*

China1

Dissenter we already have lawyers. We have a lawyer as a senior member of our executive team. We are a billion dollar corporation not a non-league team who can’t afford lawyers And no it’s not their job to rewrite the laws of the game but it is within their rights to challenge the authorities on how blatant mistakes are costing our business countless millions That’s not my opinion that’s a fact. We received apologies from PGMOL last season for multiple games in which we dropped enough points for us mathematically to win the league. Bang goes that prize money. Bang… Read more »

China1

Pouting* not panting

We witness the same meekness from clubs surrounding the FFP breaches. Everyone sitting on their hands whilst city and Chelsea have blatant evidence of wrong doing. We sit around like we’ve got all day whilst the authorities say absolutely nothing about it or have anything resembling a timeline to conclude the situation. Meanwhile city won the fucking treble

Meek. Meek as fuck.

China1

If the authorities don’t want to comment on the city situation I would expect major clubs like arsenal who are directly impacted by competing against those cheaters for a league placement to be demanding updates from the authorities Instead the silence is deafening. Don’t worry I’m sure eventually in 2030 they will finally reach a verdict and city will be find 50k and told off for being naughty boys. After winning another several trophies. It’s all BS. No one standing up for themselves here and instead everyone quietly waits for blatantly corrupt authorities to handle things properly and promptly. Good… Read more »

China1

An equivalent for me would be if the bank I work for was being wrongly punished by a regulator for a technical breach which is in fact not the case. The bank would not expect me as a tech middle manager to go to war against the regulator. It’s not my lane, not my responsibility and not something which I can resolve. The bank once aware of the challenge from the regulators would could ask me for details about the technical side and all the evidence, then the appropriate senior managers/lawyers/employees who have the remit to deal with highly sensitive… Read more »

Guns of SF

China I agree with you but think

Mike came from City. We bought City players and might continue to do so. We cannot raise that stink against City . Pep is Mikes mentor, many reasons Arsenal dont press the issue.

FIFA or some third party with teeth need to come in and do the job, and slam City and Chelsea. But then again, its all about money and these teams are uber popular.

Corruption is rampant in football at all levels. Its sad and it sometimes feels like the common fan can do nothing about justice

Guns of SF

The injustice will come to a point where something will be done.
Teams should, meet regularly and bring this point up with all the authorities. EPL FIFA UEFA etc, etc
The first thing is to allow refs from other leagues and countries to ref. There is too much nepotism and old boys network with PGMOL. Also, the refs are fans of certain teams they ref in games for.
It is too much

What is wrong with refs from other countries reffing games?
A good ref can ref anywhere in the world

Bilbo

Rich, regarding reports of Patino wanting out and Juve chasing: It’s hard for the youngsters – he’s some way down the pecking order at Arsenal and, despite the other Hale Enders in the first team, we’ve not really established the loan-to-first team route yet. Said hale Enders were largely blooded under Emery or early Arteta when our squad was absolute pony and probably more fortuitous rather than the product of a clear, definable process. Overall, PL finances mean most squads have a reasonable amount of depth when other leagues are struggling in this regard qwand through necessity rather than desire… Read more »

Markymark

China 1 – the authorities are not going to comment on City it would destroy the case. Currently City are fighting the case based on Lord Rosen being an Arsenal supporter. I’m guessing that objection will get thrown out and proceedings will rumble on. Meanwhile the FA are looking at Chelsea. The FA can look at historical issues which UEFA couldn’t

Markymark

Generally those calling for lawyers to be involved in every dispute should be careful for what they wish for. We already complain about how VAR delays the game in minutes. Legal action takes months and years and would essentially create a constant legal back and forth solving nothing. Politics in the US and recent events in the UK show it only raises angst it doesn’t displace it.
The FA is seen as effectively being its own court and overall that is a good thing. Take the fine and move on

Bilbo

The issue with City and Chelsea is that the infractions have been so egregious, there’s almost no way of doling out a punishment that appeases both the clubs involved (slap on the wrist, fine and ‘suspended’ sentence equivalent) and everyone else (demotion from the PL, titles stripped etc) at the same time. Everton has set a precedent they can’t ostensibly follow-up on. At least Everton wasn’t willfully dishonest, didn’t demonstrably intend on evading notice (undeclared and elaborate offshore accounting) and happened over a short period of time (>7/8y for City and >15y Chelsea). Whether broader implications can be involved, such… Read more »

Terraloon

Sorry but some on here really are naive I had some dealings with a benefactor of a local football club near where I live. The club wasn’t particularly high up the football pecking order but through him I met others in football and everywhere , and I mean everywhere basic accounting and compliance protocols were by passed. From players getting boot money, to players wife’s being put on associated companies payrolls ( and never doing a day s work ) to players living rent free in properties owned by supporters or directors The simple fact is that the authorities are… Read more »

Bilbo

Terraloon, I’m not sure your anecdotal experience of some parochial backwater correlated to the world of the PL

Terraloon

Bilbo The issue with City and Chelsea is that the infractions have been so egregious, there’s almost no way of doling out a punishment that appeases both the clubs involved (slap on the wrist, fine and ‘suspended’ sentence equivalent) and everyone else (demotion from the PL, titles stripped etc) at the same time. Cities charges are many and whilst some like funding of commercial deals are under scrutiny as UEFA found they basically have no power to force individuals outside football to disclose, discuss or engage in any of their disciplinary matters nor can any assumptions be made from these… Read more »

Terraloon

Bilbo

Terraloon, I’m not sure your anecdotal experience of some parochial backwater correlated to the world of the PL

The point I was making that corruption is everywhere in football. If you think that those involved in football at PL levels do everything above board and fully accounted for then yep you are in that number that I am calling naive.

Terraloon

Bilbo.

Look at the Everton agreement they had with Usmanov. Tell me how you view the pre stadium naming right option.

Bilbo

Terraloon, Chelsea’s self-reporting may be their saving grace but the authorities also need to encourage the right sort of behavior – flagrantly flouting FFP regs but then holding your hands up in return for a fine obviously cannot be the precedent they want to set. Besides, the limitations act isn’t applicable in the Pl, they can look back as far as they like and ‘impose sporting sanctions, including a points deduction or expulsion from competition’ (below). I obviously do not believe everyone else acts above board. I would have thought that was implicit in the comment that ‘City/ Chelsea’s infractions… Read more »