
The debate over referees went into overdrive yesterday with the pundit class leaning in to ‘tell the peasants they aren’t allowed to speak’ on the matter of refereeing ineptitude.
Gary Neville called Arsenal and Liverpool dangerous for their statements – and had the audacity to reference his time as a player, forgetting the hold Ferguson had on referees
Jamie Carragher told us the statement was nonsense and Arsenal were bandwagon-jumping
Even Michael Owen piped up into the conversation saying Arteta was damaging the game
There are levels to this nonsense.
Howard Webb has taken over PGMOL and his big solution swing hasn’t been to change the quality of the rotten system – it’s been to get more face time with the big dogs in media. The referee association is in cahoots with the top pundits and now those guys are jumping to the defence after getting a Whatsapp message to cool the temperature after the horrendous officiating at the weekend.
Last weekend, Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher were telling us 6ft3 Rodri was pulled down by an arm around the waste by Hojland and it was a clear penalty.



This week, they are telling us Joelinton with a two-handed shove to the back of Gabriel wasn’t a foul.
How can we take the opinions of these guys seriously if they suffer the same consistency issues as PGMOL?
The pundit class is totally out of step with the feelings amongst the fans of all clubs this season. No fan media is out here loving on what is going on. We’re all sick to death of the desecration of the game at the hands of a group of men that are not at the top of their game. What made the defence of PGMOL all the more ridiculous was the disgraceful officiating in the Spurs/Chelsea game. It was absolutely farcical what went on. One of the most ridiculous games I’ve seen and I’ve seen some crazy things. Romero getting away with kicking out, Udogie getting away with a studs-up challenge, the most painful of VARing on multiple decisions. It was a game that summed up the authority issue bad refs have on the pitch, and the lack of technical nous going on at VAR headquarters.
The pundit class keeps telling us to stop looking back, to keep our emotions in check, and to accept that referees make mistakes – I’m sorry, that is not acceptable, we cannot normalize bad officiating.
Premier League clubs will track the mayonnaise consumption of players that burn 6000 calories a day to get a marginal gain – but they won’t address the biggest gain available to most clubs: getting refereeing decisions right.
Arsenal dropped at least 9 points last season based on shocking decisions. That’s the Premier League title. The most cost-effective and least resource-intensive way to get 9 points better off is… competence.
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9 points were sacrificed because of egregious decisions last season. Why are Premier League clubs letting this slide? Well, it seems they might not be. At some point, these clubs, that pay very smart execs to solve problems, will have to get together and fix it.
Gary Neville and co like the pantomime of it. They like the debate. They like to divide fans. What they should be doing is suggesting ways to fix the problems.
There aren’t enough fresh ideas on this topic – so we just rally around conversations of injustice. Great for Sky. Not great for the game.
So here are 4 ideas.
EXPAND THE POOL OF TALENT
We have a real problem with familiarity in PGMOL. Mike Dean has gone on the record to suggest that he has made decisions based on the feelings of his mate on the pitch. When you love the guy on the pitch to the extent you make bad decisions to protect them, you have a deep, deep problem you need to fix. Why does a VAR official have to be a Premier League or former Premier League referee? Let’s mix it up and take the emotion out of the game.
Let’s also think about referee diversity. One black referee in 15 years tells its own story – but the bigger issue for me is that London is represented.
This map from Reddit might not be fully updated – but it tells a story.

Who is the little guy in the bottom corner? That’s Jarred Gillet. Australia has more representation than London.
Like any country, there is regional divide. If you were going to serve up a model for fair refereeing. Would you look at that map and feel like you’d squeeze that through a fairness committee? Majority white referees, majority Northern, no representation of London, the east, the south, or the south east?
But let’s not be so isolationist here. Why can’t we have referees from all over the world? England doesn’t have a stranglehold on the best players, so we go to other countries. We certainly don’t have a strangle on the best refs, so why not look the Europe?
Diversity brings fresh ideas, stops cliches, and puts fairness at the centre.
REORIENT THE CULTURE
Referencing the above problem with Mike Dein. I don’t believe referees have a strong culture amongst them. If you are a soldier, you are incentivized to put your life on the line for your country and your fellow soldiers. If you work at Apple, you about design, design, design. If you work at Disney, you’re about putting smiles on faces. Referees do not seem to believe that making the best decision is what their role is. Mike Dean said the quiet part out loud. But we hear all sorts of justifications every single game for bad decisions.
‘Ref didn’t want to send off Romero/Udogie because it’d ruin the game’
‘He’d be brave to give a penalty at Old Trafford’
We also know there are hot buttons refs don’t want to touch.
Sending Harry Kane off because he’s an England player
Making tough decisions against managers like Mourinho or Ferguson
Referees need to work in a culture that rewards great decisions – currently, it’s clear they are not in that space. Emotion, pecking order, love for thy colleagues, disdain for certain managers/players. This isn’t me making it up, just look at past comments of refs who are on record saying these things.
IMPROVE THE TOOLS AND PREPARATION
Do you, the fan, know if referees have a special analyst who briefs on players before the game? I don’t. If they do, why do certain players get away with the same things game after game?
Sadio Mane with the crafty elbows
Harry Kane reversing into defenders that are challenging for high balls
Rodri with fouls high up the pitch / general shithousery
Do you, the fan, know if referees get live data counts on tactical fouls and misdemeanors? I don’t. But I doubt it. They should be getting running scores of fouls, the severity, and the likelihood that those fouls are part of a tactical plan.
Mikel Arteta will be telling his players that a keeper is hard of hearing in one ear and demanding Ben White scream in the other to disorient him at corners – and he has a team of coaches analyzing the game in real-time to tell him if a player is flagging or having a mental meltdown during the game. Why aren’t refs equipped in this arms race to know if someone is playing dirty tricks?
Even at a base level for tech – why is that world cup offside radar thing not in all Premier League stadiums? We’re still relying on some guy drawing lines on a screen.
FOCUS THE STAFF
I was absolutely disgusted to learn that Premier League referees are topping up their salaries by taking midweek trips to countries that own Premier League football clubs.
Given the context of what is going on with Barcelona right now – this type of carry-on shows you the lack of control in the system at PGMOL and it shows you the perils of having top officials on yearly salaries gazumped by two weeks worth of work of an average player.
Three issues with this:
- At the level of ‘this isn’t a big deal’ you could still point to the lack of focus. Referees flying off to do other jobs like freelance TV presenters shows a lack of focus when you have one of the most prestige positions in the world. Longhaul flights impact fatigue – especially in older men – fatigue impacts the ability to make good decisions
- At the level of ‘what the fuck, this is legal but…’ you have to say that this throws up incredibly challenging ethical questions.
- When someone is giving you big money – do you show deference to them?
- When someone is flying you out to a nothing league, you have to ask, ‘why would they do that’?
- When someone is taking that money, are they thinking about ‘what’s next in my career, this is a nice hotel’ and are they thinking about 1 and 2 when they are making decisions?
- I don’t even want to get into level 3. What I will say is you are opening yourself up to very awkward questions by allowing yourself to be paid for by countries that own football clubs.
This lack of focus on the main job says the rewards system in Premier League football isn’t enough – and at worse, it shows the weakness for more money and post-Premier League career opportunities. It is scandalous more people aren’t talking about it. We’re out here chastising fans for getting angry about bad decisions, but no one on TV has anything to say about referees opening themselves up to awkward questions because of their side hustle jobs DURING the season?
REWARD STRUCTURE
I do not care what you earn. I do not care what you think is a lot of money. I am going to say this objectively: Premier League referees do not earn enough money for what they do. If they did, they wouldn’t be flying to the Middle East midweek to collect bonus cash.
You can’t retire at 45 on a Premier League refs salary. You need to find the next job. So what is your incentive as a ref? To get noticed. To be a face. To get that column with The Daily Mail or that nice job next to Merse and the boys. Who gets those jobs? The worst of the worst. Because no one remembers the guy that gets it right most of the time.
Refs that are great should earn more money and they should be subject to stricter standards. Why?
- They are household names for all the wrong reasons – getting abused on the street is HORRIBLE
- They are responsible for decisions that cost front office staff their jobs, clubs up to £100m if they are relegated, and player bonuses that could mean they can’t buy an extra house in the south of France
- The Premier League is the BIGGEST sporting export England has – our officials should be the best and if they are the best, they should be paid like the best
- You do not want to incentivise refs to be the star of the show because they can’t afford to retire in their mid-forties
Currently, referees are paid based on tenure and literally showing up. We should rework the structure so they are rewarded based on making good decisions.
The inverse of that is if you do NOT hit the standard, you drop out of the league.
If you make the reward package of Premier League referees good enough to retire wealthy, guess what? You’ll get more people entering the talent pool. You’ll get the best people at the top of the game.
If you build your culture around great decisions and reward the best people – it means you can justify binning people that cannot hit the standard.
I don’t want to keep seeing the same cast of characters making the same shocking decisions every season. I don’t want to see bad referees put in the VAR booth to ruin my life from Stockly Park. I want to see a high-performance culture with referees. We need more Collina’s in the world, not more Mike Dean’s.
Infamy shouldn’t pay. It does at the moment. That has to change.
CONCLUSION
The solve for poor officiating isn’t hoping Gary Neville and co give permission for a better PGMOL. The solve is hoping Premier League clubs come together to demand action as a collective. We cannot allow this mediocrity to flourish and we cannot accept Howard Webb’s big idea being ‘closer ties with the big opinion masters’ at Sky Sports.
I don’t think my ideas are the best out there – but I know they would progress the game better than ‘people make mistakes’ or ‘clubs are dangerous for suggesting PGMOL does better.’
Fans deserve better, so do the players/managers: So when are the clubs going to get serious about addressing the biggest problem in the best league in the world?
Who knows…
Give me your best ideas below!
Have to say that Lucy Ward on TNT commentary has been excellent tonight. Really insightful, so refreshing compared to the likes of Owen, Neville and Carragher
0.0 xg for Sevilla this far. Great and compact defensive performance. If we can have such disciplined performances the season will be bright. The flair is there, the goals will flow
C’mon take Martinelli off
Ref set the stage for these cynical fouling in the first half
Had he punished it early …
These subs are kicking away ffs
Havertz needs to put in one of his demented slide tackles on Lamela. Would be almost as good as a goal.
Trossard and Martinelli off
I think he did it on purpose the ref, Diss.
A ref like Collina back un the days would have shown it early to keep control of the game.
Good subs, finally
Arteta late with the subs again… Another day, another fail in that regard… Holy shit man…
Take Saka off ffs
Fuuuuck. That’s not good.
Just take Saka off now
Of course Saka goes down after two others get subbed off
Lovely.
Now Saka goes down …
Why was he still on the field FFS.
Someone needs to slap the hell outta Arteta.
FFS stop destroying players
Hugh sigh of relief from the seville defenders
Arteta the player braker
Ummm shit.
I agree, take Saka off as a precaution.
Can’t hurt star boy
And fucking Arteta allows Saka to come back on the field…
FFS
Zinny with a yellow card? WTF
Lego head still wants to play Saka for 95 mins
Saka will be ok… toughest player I’ve seen but he could use a sub.. kind of pointless leaving him in.
Unbelievable. Saka gets a yellow for not walking off the shortest route??!
Told you the ref was shit
Who did this scumbag ref give a yellow too.
Jorgi or Saka?
What an idiot
Oh fuck off with the yellow. clearly he has a limp.. and should go off the short way..
Rice tried to get the reg to put the card away. Joke ref
Shit. Take him off now
Arteta is genuinely stupid sometimes. Just take him off the first time use common sense
Gd4
Saka
Refs a wanker
And Rice gets booked for that, apparently
Although if this gets Saka out of England duty .. a small 2 week injury would be fine with me.
So that’s Saka twice and Timber off the top of my head players who were injured and allowed to play on instead of getting taken off straight away by the manager
Vieira won a header over Lamela haha I love that
That’s two balls in five mins under minimal pressure that Jorginho has given away in our area
Why on eath at 2-0 and in control don’t we make the subs and lock up the game ?
Is it better to wait for the inevitable injury after cumulative fouling ?
Marko both at 2-0 up as well?
Commentator said it was Rice.
Who knows
The tea boy is on
Pyramid Pirlo incoming.
Pyramid Pirlo, whoever came up with that is a legend haha
Maybe it was Rice for telling the ref not to book Saka?! Who knows
Pyramid is going to find net… has to be.
This hasn’t been a dirty game, it’s been quite easy to referee but this pillock with the whistle has been a right dickhead.
Jorginho sublime tonight and Havertz starting to look very good
Is Zinchenko playing as a striker?
I must have been watching another game. Havertz has been as dog shit as ever!!
Does Zinchenko speak Romanian.. ? haha wouldn’t put it past him was having an in depth convo with ref.
How did Lens vs PSV go?
Declan is a fucking titan in that midfield, unbelievable player
Yeah I can’t see where havertz is getting his praise from. Being the most anonymous in a team that dominated.
Yeah he gets back and can stick a foot in. But what else? Please someone tell me for an attacking midfielder. What else has he added?
Sevilla first shot on target, 96th min.
Good save by Raya.
Full time
Havertz is dross. Horrible first touch, poor runs, can’t hit the target for love nor money. But I guess his body language has been less emo than it is usually.
Matt: I think he was pretty good, had a fantastic shot just on target and to me at least seems to be improving game by game (I know he’s been pretty poor, but he’s definitely getting better!!)
Our manager does himself no favors with his poor player management
The way Declan has been taking balls out of players feet is quite outstanding.
He really is an incredible player.
I am so happy that he now bleeds Red.
Saka and his wink. He’s a lad and a half. Haha love that fella
Well professional win.. now over to Man U game . Come on Copenhagen
Come on FC Copenhagen
It’d can’t Cope with the Hagen !!!
Still think Rice should be captain
Arsenal qual
Havertz is shocking.
Wouldn’t pay 20 pesos talk less of 65 mill pounds.
That’s grand larceny by Chelsea .
PSV down Lens
Manure managed to score a third but it’s 3-3 now. You’d hate to see them in the Europa League.
Manure loosing…
Matt B. Sorry, not seeing it. He is looking for the easiest option everytime he gets the ball and even then he messes that up more often than not leaving a pass just short or playing his team mates in to trouble. He just seems so out of sync with everyone else.
YES!!!! get in… United tears!
We’re 4 points ahead to PSV and Lens with 2 games to go. God well done. Very solid performance today. Superb first half especially. Saka the only worry.
Lolz.
Copenhagen are level 3-3.
And someone has been red carded.
Fuck Manure.
Lol @ ManUnited
Manure now 4-3 down.
Job* well done!
United are crumbling so badly
🤣🤣🤣🤣 at ten hag
Wonderful wonderful Copenhagen…
4-3 Copenhagen
HAHAHA United losing 4 – 3 with 2 goals coming in the last few minutes.
Lol.
Job done well tonight, we’re basically through now.
Looooooooool at Utd imploding in Copenhagen.
Man U. Lol
Matt,
The out of sync is where havertz gets some leeway. Still early days. But like you say the passing can be proper horrible at times, and he drifts into and crowds other players areas and seems to hide a lot in the front line when we are trying to open up the block
United last place in their group currently.
We qualified no? We needed to win and Lens lose. Still need one more win to top the group but we’re through
Job done..But we need Saka to remain fit. We have to many injuries in midfield and upfront.
Has Havertz really been getting better or is it easier to not look as shite against a decimated Sevilla at home that affords you a lot of space? Imma go with option 2 on that one, and he still wasn’t “good” in this game.
Easy 3 points and that’s all that matters. Martinelli fantastic, Saka looking better, Rice and the back 4 great again. Very good ball from Jorghino for the first goal but he has so many mistakes in him, hope he continues to be lucky and we don’t get punished for them.
Marko no .. we needed Lens to win actually.
But enough on kai.
That was a dominant performance and it could have been worse for Sevilla.
Great way to bounce back. I’m keen as for the weekend now
Slabhead Maguire is their best attacker LOL
Now that does put a big smile seeing Manure tanking.
Adds to an even bigger smile brought on by our really good game tonight.
We’ve done really well although Sevilla looked like they wanted to play cautiously more than anything else which played in our hands.
Ten hag for major of Manchester. Give him the keys and let him stay forever
Disappointed we finally let Sevilla have a shot in the 97th minute, but overall we were in complete control…
And at least we didn’t conceded 4 to Copenhagen.
Martinelli + Saka both brilliant, Rice assured, and Jorginho excellent.
Apparently Odegaard was quite near to playing tonight so he should be ok for Burnley…
Mayor****
So many good performances tonight. Rice just gets better and better and Jorghino was very solid
Havertz is better on the right…. That said he had some shockingly bad shots as well before his one decent one which still missed. So about a 6 out of 10.. I guess that’s better than 4 or 5 out of 10.
Sancho’s at home punching the air celebrating I bet, that’s got to be the nail in ETHs coffin.
Mancs loose…lol