
The debate over referees went into overdrive yesterday with the pundit class leaning in to ‘tell the peasants they aren’t allowed to speak’ on the matter of refereeing ineptitude.
Gary Neville called Arsenal and Liverpool dangerous for their statements – and had the audacity to reference his time as a player, forgetting the hold Ferguson had on referees
Jamie Carragher told us the statement was nonsense and Arsenal were bandwagon-jumping
Even Michael Owen piped up into the conversation saying Arteta was damaging the game
There are levels to this nonsense.
Howard Webb has taken over PGMOL and his big solution swing hasn’t been to change the quality of the rotten system – it’s been to get more face time with the big dogs in media. The referee association is in cahoots with the top pundits and now those guys are jumping to the defence after getting a Whatsapp message to cool the temperature after the horrendous officiating at the weekend.
Last weekend, Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher were telling us 6ft3 Rodri was pulled down by an arm around the waste by Hojland and it was a clear penalty.



This week, they are telling us Joelinton with a two-handed shove to the back of Gabriel wasn’t a foul.
How can we take the opinions of these guys seriously if they suffer the same consistency issues as PGMOL?
The pundit class is totally out of step with the feelings amongst the fans of all clubs this season. No fan media is out here loving on what is going on. We’re all sick to death of the desecration of the game at the hands of a group of men that are not at the top of their game. What made the defence of PGMOL all the more ridiculous was the disgraceful officiating in the Spurs/Chelsea game. It was absolutely farcical what went on. One of the most ridiculous games I’ve seen and I’ve seen some crazy things. Romero getting away with kicking out, Udogie getting away with a studs-up challenge, the most painful of VARing on multiple decisions. It was a game that summed up the authority issue bad refs have on the pitch, and the lack of technical nous going on at VAR headquarters.
The pundit class keeps telling us to stop looking back, to keep our emotions in check, and to accept that referees make mistakes – I’m sorry, that is not acceptable, we cannot normalize bad officiating.
Premier League clubs will track the mayonnaise consumption of players that burn 6000 calories a day to get a marginal gain – but they won’t address the biggest gain available to most clubs: getting refereeing decisions right.
Arsenal dropped at least 9 points last season based on shocking decisions. That’s the Premier League title. The most cost-effective and least resource-intensive way to get 9 points better off is… competence.
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3 – Manchester United
2 – Newcastle
0 – Leicester (away – still won)
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9 points were sacrificed because of egregious decisions last season. Why are Premier League clubs letting this slide? Well, it seems they might not be. At some point, these clubs, that pay very smart execs to solve problems, will have to get together and fix it.
Gary Neville and co like the pantomime of it. They like the debate. They like to divide fans. What they should be doing is suggesting ways to fix the problems.
There aren’t enough fresh ideas on this topic – so we just rally around conversations of injustice. Great for Sky. Not great for the game.
So here are 4 ideas.
EXPAND THE POOL OF TALENT
We have a real problem with familiarity in PGMOL. Mike Dean has gone on the record to suggest that he has made decisions based on the feelings of his mate on the pitch. When you love the guy on the pitch to the extent you make bad decisions to protect them, you have a deep, deep problem you need to fix. Why does a VAR official have to be a Premier League or former Premier League referee? Let’s mix it up and take the emotion out of the game.
Let’s also think about referee diversity. One black referee in 15 years tells its own story – but the bigger issue for me is that London is represented.
This map from Reddit might not be fully updated – but it tells a story.

Who is the little guy in the bottom corner? That’s Jarred Gillet. Australia has more representation than London.
Like any country, there is regional divide. If you were going to serve up a model for fair refereeing. Would you look at that map and feel like you’d squeeze that through a fairness committee? Majority white referees, majority Northern, no representation of London, the east, the south, or the south east?
But let’s not be so isolationist here. Why can’t we have referees from all over the world? England doesn’t have a stranglehold on the best players, so we go to other countries. We certainly don’t have a strangle on the best refs, so why not look the Europe?
Diversity brings fresh ideas, stops cliches, and puts fairness at the centre.
REORIENT THE CULTURE
Referencing the above problem with Mike Dein. I don’t believe referees have a strong culture amongst them. If you are a soldier, you are incentivized to put your life on the line for your country and your fellow soldiers. If you work at Apple, you about design, design, design. If you work at Disney, you’re about putting smiles on faces. Referees do not seem to believe that making the best decision is what their role is. Mike Dean said the quiet part out loud. But we hear all sorts of justifications every single game for bad decisions.
‘Ref didn’t want to send off Romero/Udogie because it’d ruin the game’
‘He’d be brave to give a penalty at Old Trafford’
We also know there are hot buttons refs don’t want to touch.
Sending Harry Kane off because he’s an England player
Making tough decisions against managers like Mourinho or Ferguson
Referees need to work in a culture that rewards great decisions – currently, it’s clear they are not in that space. Emotion, pecking order, love for thy colleagues, disdain for certain managers/players. This isn’t me making it up, just look at past comments of refs who are on record saying these things.
IMPROVE THE TOOLS AND PREPARATION
Do you, the fan, know if referees have a special analyst who briefs on players before the game? I don’t. If they do, why do certain players get away with the same things game after game?
Sadio Mane with the crafty elbows
Harry Kane reversing into defenders that are challenging for high balls
Rodri with fouls high up the pitch / general shithousery
Do you, the fan, know if referees get live data counts on tactical fouls and misdemeanors? I don’t. But I doubt it. They should be getting running scores of fouls, the severity, and the likelihood that those fouls are part of a tactical plan.
Mikel Arteta will be telling his players that a keeper is hard of hearing in one ear and demanding Ben White scream in the other to disorient him at corners – and he has a team of coaches analyzing the game in real-time to tell him if a player is flagging or having a mental meltdown during the game. Why aren’t refs equipped in this arms race to know if someone is playing dirty tricks?
Even at a base level for tech – why is that world cup offside radar thing not in all Premier League stadiums? We’re still relying on some guy drawing lines on a screen.
FOCUS THE STAFF
I was absolutely disgusted to learn that Premier League referees are topping up their salaries by taking midweek trips to countries that own Premier League football clubs.
Given the context of what is going on with Barcelona right now – this type of carry-on shows you the lack of control in the system at PGMOL and it shows you the perils of having top officials on yearly salaries gazumped by two weeks worth of work of an average player.
Three issues with this:
- At the level of ‘this isn’t a big deal’ you could still point to the lack of focus. Referees flying off to do other jobs like freelance TV presenters shows a lack of focus when you have one of the most prestige positions in the world. Longhaul flights impact fatigue – especially in older men – fatigue impacts the ability to make good decisions
- At the level of ‘what the fuck, this is legal but…’ you have to say that this throws up incredibly challenging ethical questions.
- When someone is giving you big money – do you show deference to them?
- When someone is flying you out to a nothing league, you have to ask, ‘why would they do that’?
- When someone is taking that money, are they thinking about ‘what’s next in my career, this is a nice hotel’ and are they thinking about 1 and 2 when they are making decisions?
- I don’t even want to get into level 3. What I will say is you are opening yourself up to very awkward questions by allowing yourself to be paid for by countries that own football clubs.
This lack of focus on the main job says the rewards system in Premier League football isn’t enough – and at worse, it shows the weakness for more money and post-Premier League career opportunities. It is scandalous more people aren’t talking about it. We’re out here chastising fans for getting angry about bad decisions, but no one on TV has anything to say about referees opening themselves up to awkward questions because of their side hustle jobs DURING the season?
REWARD STRUCTURE
I do not care what you earn. I do not care what you think is a lot of money. I am going to say this objectively: Premier League referees do not earn enough money for what they do. If they did, they wouldn’t be flying to the Middle East midweek to collect bonus cash.
You can’t retire at 45 on a Premier League refs salary. You need to find the next job. So what is your incentive as a ref? To get noticed. To be a face. To get that column with The Daily Mail or that nice job next to Merse and the boys. Who gets those jobs? The worst of the worst. Because no one remembers the guy that gets it right most of the time.
Refs that are great should earn more money and they should be subject to stricter standards. Why?
- They are household names for all the wrong reasons – getting abused on the street is HORRIBLE
- They are responsible for decisions that cost front office staff their jobs, clubs up to £100m if they are relegated, and player bonuses that could mean they can’t buy an extra house in the south of France
- The Premier League is the BIGGEST sporting export England has – our officials should be the best and if they are the best, they should be paid like the best
- You do not want to incentivise refs to be the star of the show because they can’t afford to retire in their mid-forties
Currently, referees are paid based on tenure and literally showing up. We should rework the structure so they are rewarded based on making good decisions.
The inverse of that is if you do NOT hit the standard, you drop out of the league.
If you make the reward package of Premier League referees good enough to retire wealthy, guess what? You’ll get more people entering the talent pool. You’ll get the best people at the top of the game.
If you build your culture around great decisions and reward the best people – it means you can justify binning people that cannot hit the standard.
I don’t want to keep seeing the same cast of characters making the same shocking decisions every season. I don’t want to see bad referees put in the VAR booth to ruin my life from Stockly Park. I want to see a high-performance culture with referees. We need more Collina’s in the world, not more Mike Dean’s.
Infamy shouldn’t pay. It does at the moment. That has to change.
CONCLUSION
The solve for poor officiating isn’t hoping Gary Neville and co give permission for a better PGMOL. The solve is hoping Premier League clubs come together to demand action as a collective. We cannot allow this mediocrity to flourish and we cannot accept Howard Webb’s big idea being ‘closer ties with the big opinion masters’ at Sky Sports.
I don’t think my ideas are the best out there – but I know they would progress the game better than ‘people make mistakes’ or ‘clubs are dangerous for suggesting PGMOL does better.’
Fans deserve better, so do the players/managers: So when are the clubs going to get serious about addressing the biggest problem in the best league in the world?
Who knows…
Give me your best ideas below!
Zinny on for Tomi I hope he’s not injured
LS
😂😂😂 I do agree he is very loud.
Zinchenko for Tomiyasu, I hope that that is tactical?
Zinchenko coming in for Tomiyasu??
Why can’t he come in for Havertz?
Hope Zinchy doesn’t lose his focus and cost a goal
Arteta can’t help himself.
Richards is just excited to sit at same table with Henry.
But does make sense. Get more ball playing ability when we have been so dominant
Rich
“Remember when Pierre used to call Martinelli an overrated head down merchant, and wrote essay after essay assuring us that he couldn’t dribble?..”
Only you would know about writing essays، and get it right ، I never said he was overrated or couldn’t dribble، but I did say he was and still is to a point a head down merchant..
Martinelli’s performance first half was both exhilarating and frustrating، he has beat his defender numerous times on the outside but jist needs to get his head up for the final ball ، great to watch though.
I’m convincedthe Havertz signing is a lost in translation debacle.
“Mikel we need someone in midfield to replace Xhaka and hit this team like a tonne of bricks”
“Ah, si senor Josh, like a bag of dicks, unusual but I’ve got just the right guy for you”
“ Rich
“Remember when Pierre used to call Martinelli an overrated head down merchant, and wrote essay after essay assuring us that he couldn’t dribble”
I don’t know about Pierre but the former Hitler Youth here was constantly touting that tune … along more pronounced racial filth
Zinchenko should run up and ask Havertz to left back for a bit.
Jorginho special.
Hope we don’t get punished
Ffs Kai. So bad.
Go Saka Go… and…… fell to the wrong person… clearly..
Saka hasn’t shown this much electricity and quick feet all season … well done laddie
Havertz wins a corner! 🤪
Shame Havertz missed. Could have passed to Marti.
Saka’s run and pass were excellent!
Many on here wanted Mudryk over Marti…
Pierre
You’re so utterly full of shit… Last season you were claiming that Martinelli was overrated based people had been taken in by comments made by Klopp…
A few weeks later you were labelling him a player that could always be relied upon, after a better run of form.
You used to assure us that Martinelli couldn’t dribble.
Yes, Bakayo has been having a good game
LB shift worked good for Granit.
Where is the back post header dude? Need one of those.
Come on Gabby work on that final baby my guy.
These final balls have to be better
Ffs why don’t we load their box a bit more…. only 3 with another great Martinelli cross over the 6 yard box begging for a nod in… Run fast Havertz
Martinelli asking for someone to make a run and attack one of his crosses but unfortunately Havertz is just looking dopey out there
Marti is getting nobody on the end of his runs
There is no plan nothing
Would have been a screamer for Havertz… keep shooting and getting v v close
Cmon Havertz hit the damn target
Finally he shoots
Good effort kai
For a second there I thought the Le Grove curse would come thru..
Was desperate to have that go in for Havertz
Havertz is getting closer.
Is he getting his confidence back?
I really wouldn’t mind hearing the Ems breakout chanting Tamina mina mins eh eh!!
Dissenter
We were man…. I thought YESSSS. No.
I just looked on our bench and yikes!
Not much there … smh
Tsamina
Tbf that havertz shot was probably a foot off
Kai’s best game so far
Looking good
Haha that dude is so sick of Martinelli..
Zinchenko no better than Tomi so far in forward play
Come on The Arsenal!!!
Let’s get that second goal to fire us up a bit more!
Sevilla are there for the taking.
Rashford…lol
Havertz is making good runs today
Need that second goal to put this to bed…
Great line splitter by Raya
Great ball from Raya indeed.
Trossard wtf???
He forgot where the goal was.
Good play from the boys. Just slightly behind tross that ball from rice couldnt set the body
Totally dominated the entire game and we have had 1 shot on target……what has happened to our attacking……
This is getting too close for comfort; we really need that second goal!
We are slowing down
Equaliser coming up
Saka
2
Martinelli great assist 1💪💪
Saka masterclass!
Superb goal, Marti and Saka both fantastic 2-0
Beautiful!
That’s bettet
Nice… Star Boy!!!!!
This looks close to offside…….???!!!
Fucking beautiful.
Bukayo Saka you Beauty!!!
That’ll do..
Class by Martinelli and Saka
Yyyyyeeeeah
There’s my boy
Fuck yeah
Martinelli and Saka look blinding with no Eddie
Even Havertz has his best game
Said this from the off
Do not play Eddie
What a goal
Yeahhhhhhhhh!!!
Well done Saka.
Absolutely brilliant run. And what a goal.
Saka’s back!!!
That was made by a decent throw-in ! (See my comment in the first half, lol)
“ We are slowing down
Equaliser coming up”
SpanishDave, say what?
And he’s on.loooooove it.
Well won by Marti and then to find space and see the run. Brilliant goal. We need more of that direct play
Martinelli,s vision was immense there
Saka did well to take his time
That was some cutback.. broke that defenders ankle, practically.
Ska with 2 more GA
Elite
And having a shit season
Finally a freaking ylow… thought they left it at the hotel
That would have been a 4 min VAR check in the PL. look for any reason to disallow the goal.
Hahaha yeah Logie, nice pre assist!!
Don’t you all just love seeing Rice in our team…! So good
Un havertz has been bang average
Whoa Soumare finally earns Sevilla their first yellow
LS
Yep. Fuck PGMOL.
Would like to see Rice knock one.. in… he getting further and further forward.
Saliba is such a pimp…. he should have SHAFT written on the back of that strip.
Love sausage – indeed!
Most fluid attacking games this season have been with Eddie not on the pitch
Nuff said
Crowd has been in good voice tonight too
That Zinky strike was beautiful.
Shame the goalkeeper saved it.
/
And what is going with Soumaré??
Carded and injured.
Now that was a short stint on the pitch after barely being subbed in.
Damn.. just a little too far telling you Rice gonna get one.
Goober
Still his most encouraging performance
He’s looking for the ball now
He’s hitting shots with purpose
He’s attacking spaces
Trust me he’s growing in the last 3 games
Logie Bear
Now if Havertz manages to score a goal, just turn up the volume. 🙂
A third goal would be nice.
“Trust me he’s growing in the last 3 games”
If he keeps this upward curve he’ll be great for us in 15 years…
DB10 – the volume here at home got loud when Havertz went close.! I sense the home crowd are desperate for him to do well
Don’t fall asleep boys
Damn we fell asleep there.
Lucky
Un don’t get me wrong. I am willing him on.
That was a weird bit of defensive play right there haha
Not keen on raya at all
Time to rest Martinelli
A corner robbed
That was a corner.. Marti was correct.
Havertz will not score, probably…
That’s an obvious corner denied us and the ref was right there.
Small matter but part of a larger issue.
The refs hate Arsenal
Good decision making by Raya ، if he had rushed out he would have been lobbed or easily bypassed.
Good intelligent and composed keeping