NEWCASTLE VS ARSENAL – THE GHOST OF SEASON’S PAST LOOMS

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The chatter before the game with Mikel Arteta was all focused on the dire performance against West Ham.

What about the standards?

Can the players recover?

Are you worried?

Journalists need soundbites and fans need drama. But I am not convinced there’s a major problem going out of the League Cup. You don’t care about the competition, the club doesn’t, nor do the players. So let’s not overdramatize a loss.

The focus is the Champions League and Premier League. Not feelings around a cup exit in a competition that would have seen us doing a double away session against Liverpool.

There’s only so much gas in the tank for this Arsenal team and we’ve already been sputtering more than usual and it’s only November. The League Cup doesn’t matter when you’re in the Champions League. If it does to you, great, you’re part of a very small collection of people, and I’m going to be really patronizing here: I feel for you. You might not want my sympathy, but I’m going to give it to you. In a world of Mike Dean, Richard Keys Arteta slander, and questionable loan deals between nation-state clubs… you choose this issue to anger you? Let it go.

The big game this week was always Newcastle. If we beat them, no one is talking about Wednesday. If we lose, everyone will double down and complain the weakened side against West Ham was the issue.

Don’t buy it. Arteta gave us the best possible chance against Newcastle by rotating heavily. There were some complaints he rolled on big names for 30 minutes. Again, don’t listen to those fans. Sure, it might have been a leg-breaker risk, but 30 minutes keeps the players fresh and stops them doing the warm down sessions after the game. Our boys got into bed nice and early so they should be in good shape.

So what of Newcastle? They’re a mixed bag if I’m honest.

Top of the xG league this season, but when you look at their results, there’s a clear pattern.

They’ve been losing to the top teams and they’ve beaten the teams they should have.

Their thumping of PSG threw me a little, but then they were beaten at home by Dortmund and they were hammered by Milan and got away with the draw.

Eddie Howe has a lot of injuries to deal with tomorrow.

The factors going against us? We have problems at Newcastle. They’re fearless, they have a lot of beasts in their team, and there’s definitely a bit of PTSD from a few seasons ago.

I don’t count the West Ham game as a problem. What I do think is a going concern is the on-going injury pile-up. Gabi Jesus likely won’t make it, Thomas Partey certainly won’t, and there are doubts on Martin Odegaard (though I think he’ll be good).

That means we’ll likely have a midfield of Rice, Jorginho, and Odegaard.

Defensively, it’s pretty clear that a midweek rested Tomi means he’s getting the nod over the impressive Zinchenko.

Up top, you’d guess it would be Eddie – but he had a stinker in midweek, doesn’t do well against brutal teams, and he hasn’t scored in 18 away games. Will the hat trick sway Mikel?

Kai has been going through it. I’d like to see him pick up that 8 role again. However, against Newcastle, he could be our best bet as a false 9.

The job is not to lose. Newcastle is one of the toughest away days in the league. It’s easy to get caught up by the spicy atmosphere and the electric emotions that course throughout the stadium. So a point or more will do me.

We’re a good away side, but we haven’t found 5th gear all season. 10 games in is when peak fitness starts. I want to see our players looking fresh from minute one – but the most important ingredient is bravery. This game is the biggest for David Raya yet. Bigger than City. Away at Newcastle, they will press, and they will try and bother him. If he’s not brave, our whole system breaks. If he’s not in command of his box, Newcastle will be. He could be a difference maker. We need him to show us that he has a level higher in the locker.

It’s a bit of an annoying weekend to be playing Newcastle because there aren’t any other big games. Not sure Chelsea / Spurs really cuts the shape of a going concern. Drop points here and we get pulled into the muck. We could end the weekend in 5th place. Win… and we pull away from Newcastle and keep up with the league challengers.

There’s a lot on the line – let’s see what Arteta brings to the party.

Ok, see you in the comments. Remember to join the On The Whistle right after the game.

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Dissenter

Chris
You realize that Marko wasn’t praising Emery, right?

psuedo warrior

Look at that fvking replay man, the ball is out of play. Absolutely shocking stuff

Mikel Coneteta

Raptora

Only right after the dick sucking you’ve been offering him after a performance at home against a championship side.

Two games since against decent players and he was horrible.

Saka was poor today. Think I’ll allow it with him.
Martinelli ineffective. I’ll allow it too.

Eddie was abysmal, with the difference being Tonali was sat in the stand with a grand on him dropping a stinker. It’s that obviously coming.

Samesong

Vikings you clearly haven’t watched how deep Toney comes to win balls.

Paulie

For anyone who thinks Arteta is am elite manager just think about this, He actually gave Chelsea 65 million pounds sterling, that’s sixty five million pounds for a player who’s been useless for years while at the same time keeping Eddie Nkethia as a striker, a player who’s also been useless for years, a player nobody else ever bid for even after being on loan numerous times while at the same time having Jesus as our main striker, a player who’s constantly injured and doesn’t actually score goals. Is Arteta actually out of his fucking mind

Guernsey GUN

Havertxz is better than Henry and Bergkamp. We are lucky to have a manager that can see his class, so so good.

Johng

Saka getting a big of criticism here today and ho be honest I can’t say that it is unwarranted. He seems a bit off form this season yes I know he has had a few moments but we ard not going to get near the goals total of last season with our attacking form this year

Dissenter

Pseudo
‘ Look at that fvking replay man, the ball is out of play. Absolutely shocking stuff’

It could have been over-hanging the line even if there’s green visible
That’s what the argument will be

Mysticleaves

The only shot on target I remember was the Martinelli straight at GK where he should have squared to Eddie for a tap in.

Saka and Martinelli were supposed to be monsters this season and grow into 20-30 GA wingers. What’s happening??

raptora

Marko, you expect us to have a staple attacking performance versus this bunch? It’s not possible and we had a good game up until the game deciding decision.

China1

A few points The defensive unit was mostly excellent The attack was poor Our toothless attack was what ultimately cost us the points imo. We just weren’t threatening. That being said aside from our own shortcomings the officiating was literally disgraceful. I’m not blaming it for the result because another day Kai is sent off and we lose that even worse. But the whole match was officiating like a Sunday league game. Mistakes and misses left right and center. Last point was Raya was guilty of a poor flap on the goal. He’s got away with making using one or… Read more »

Chris

Danny looks out to me!

Dolomite

This game had nothing on Havertz

In fact he played far better than Saka and Nketiah

Dissenter

We were poor today, as we have been for most half the season.

MG42

When will the deluded Arteta Fan Boys realize he should never have been Arsenal’s manager. What has he done in 4 years and £+600mill? The 2nd place last season was a fluke because those competing for top 4 had an off season and Bumteta gladly took credit for 2nd place. Arteta is a 5th place manager and fortunately for him next season that is a CL place. The sooner the manager in training leaves the better. £200mill and we are playing worst on whom is that? The manager!!! The failed player purchases on whom is that? The manager!!! HE HAS… Read more »

Chris

Dissenter

You don’t say.

The difference between this team and emery’s last few weeks is stark. It’s not entirely comparable.

And the e egg a do their job properly and we may not have lost.

Chris

Refs*

Habesha Gooner

Even Dermot Gallagher who defends his buddies is saying it is a foul on Gabriel. What a joke.

Johng

Oh well moan over, we were unlucky with the goal standing bur we can’t really say that Pooe had a blinder and won them the three points, attacking decisions need to be made in Jan

Johng

Pope not Pooe, then again🤔

vieira

We Lost, I believe and think undeservedly and I will still remain optimistic and positive for our season, despite everything there are many more positives than negatives in the current Arsenal team.

Chris

Does the goal line technology not extend up the whole of the goal line or only the part between the sticks?? Surely the camera runs along the whole line so it can’t be used?

karim

Diss

Stop playing the devil’s advocate and cry along with us my man
We clearly got robbed tonight

Gunnernet

Very physical game, frustrating result, clear foul. Nonetheless, we clearly missed Ode today BIG TiME. Saka was rather annoying, delaying every play and predictable always bringing the ball on his left

Johng

Apparently it is just between the posts

raptora

Champagne Charlie, just come out of your hiding, would you? This Coneteta thing has been ridiculous for a while. Hilarious you never admit it’s the same fella.

Fire

We really miss Partey and his vertical passes. He takes Saka and Martinellis gave to high levels. They have looked lost without him all season

Un

Pierre looks a cunt
Without Odegaard we create even less

Mysticleaves

Emery didn’t have the unbeaten run towards the end of his reign. He had it in his first season and we rightly played some teams off the back. The Aubameyang team goal against Fulham (?) Comes to mind.

Dissenter

Karim
I think we are doing ourselves a big disservice if all we want to main about are referees
We stood up to the physicality, which is a plus
But we haven’t been fluid all season and once they got physical, it rattled us and knocked us even farther.
There’s nothing to moan about for me, any unbeaten run ends at some point.

Johng

Partey is the one we have missed most so annoying that hd had an almost exemplary fitness record for athletico

Dissenter

*Moan about

Josip Skoblar

The goal should not have stood. It is a travesty: a foul, an off-side and the ball crossed the line before the cross!!!! No trust in Var whatsoever.

Guernsey GUN

Let’s be honest we were fucking shite. Eddie is dump and 65m havertz, yes 65m for thatlankypiece of shit. I afraid Weare at the end of that bul,shitting Spanish cunt.

Josip Skoblar

Arteta made his substitutions too late, once more.

TR7

Good to see Arteta going all guns blazing against VAR.

Mikel Coneteta

Raptora

Hilarious that it’s red herring after red herring when someone disagrees with you about football.

Tell everyone about Eddie being a good finisher because Iwobi said so, or Arsene likes him etc.

David.D

I knew we’d lose today when I saw that midfield.
Strangely enough we played well and held out own but Eddie was useless today. Totally inept. I think we really need to get a striker in.
How the fuck does var not see that cunt guimares elbow on jorgingho in first half???
And I’m sure that ball was out!

Fire

Arteta killing it…

psuedo warrior

Arteta not holding back, going in two footed on the VAR cvnts. Well done

TR7

He is saying what’s the use of preparing all week if VAR decides everything. He is saying it’s a disgrace and an embarrassment to the league.

Dissenter

Arteta is very forceful in his comments

Never seen him this angry

‘He called it a ‘disgrace’ ….‘not acceptable’….we are wasting our time’….we cannot continue like this’

Bravo Mikel
He’s issued a rallying call to PGMOL

raptora

What will Arsenal FC do now? Do we pull up a Liverpool? The push on Gabriel is the most obvious foul you will ever see even if the ball was still in. Not that they’ll give back our points but I want this to be made a big thing like the Pool incident.

Anyhow, PGMOL is corrupted af. It actually makes me disgusted to keep watching football.

Graham62

0-0 would have been a fair result. Incredibly poor VAR review/decision. Three questionable decisions in in one incident. Yes, it happens to Arsenal a great deal. Arteta is still not flexible enough in his decision making and in two games now we’ve seen the same slow and predictable play with no movement through the lines. If Rice gets injured we’re truly fucked. He is a monster but we can’t be relying on him all the time. I’m a massive Trossard fan because he has the ability to open teams up with his movement and clever play. Arteta doesn’t like him… Read more »

Mr Serge

Guernsey gun stay off the crack you cretin

Dissenter

The goal is dubious but the red card for Guimaraes????r

Josip Skoblar

Saka did not create anything today. Again. I am getting worried about his loss of form.

GD4

Arteta really needs to be careful here.
He has already lost the confidence of some of the fan base with his selections and game management.
Soon this may seep into the clubhouse and up to Edu and Kroenke. They’ve invested too much into this team for excuses.

Like I’ve said on prior occasions … we’ve spent over 200 million this summer and we look worse than last season.

Totally unacceptable

Marko

you expect us to have a staple attacking performance versus this bunch?

Yeah our attack has been a struggle this season. Look it says a lot that our best two players this season has been Rice and Saliba a DM and a CB.

Mikel Coneteta

https://x.com/rory_talks_ball/status/1720891798434857109?s=46&t=kX5MOSw74fHSUeJjWqv6nA

– Out of play
– two hands on the back of the defender
– offside
– and the ball comes off the attackers arm

VAR for you.

Chris

Arteta’s stating how we all feel I’m sure.

David.D

Needs to be said but Saka has been poor for a few games.
What did he actually do??
Martinelli was a bit too predictable.
Always coming back in and laying it off sideways.

Dissenter

We will continue money to pay for whatever fine they place on Mikel

Bravo Mikel

Guimaraes hitting another player on the head from behind ?

Josip Skoblar

Take Rice, Bill and Gaby off, and we are not a top 4 team. (To I had a great game today)

Josip Skoblar

Arsenal should really complain about the Var decision. Enough is enough!

raptora

Coneteta, your team lost due to a blatant ref injustice, and the first thing you do is to come here and flame Eddie. Have a look at yourself. I’m done with you.

Graham62

I lied!
The ball was out.
It was a foul.
Gordon was offside.
3/3!
Well done VAR!

Josip Skoblar

*Tomi had a great game today.

Dissenter

** We will raise money to pay for whatever fine they place on Mikel
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Gunnernet

It was a dogfight. And given the absence of Odegard we played with reailience against the Uruk-Hais of Newcastle. Raja was also at fault for the goal conceded. He misjudged the cross. What is the benefit if you are good with the ball at feet when you cannot clear your lines?

Chris

Didn’t even notice the ball hitting joelinton arm to be fair, so busy looking at the potential foul. But Refs are paid to catch that. It’s their job.

David.D

Looks like we are ending the weekend in 5th after tomorrow’s expected wins for Liverpool and villa

Gunnernet

Ball is clearly out, regardless the foul

Freddie Ljungberg

Not sure the ball was out for their goal, and don’t think it was offside, but it sure as fuck was a blatant foul on Gabriel. Also Guimares is a cunt. Problem is our midfield, created absolutely nothing, and that’s been a theme this season, was just worse today with 2 dms playing and whatever Havertz is supposed to be. It’s great that we have more physicality in the team now and can match teams like Newcastle on that front but we really lack the quality on the ball to go with it. We take forever to move the ball… Read more »

Chris

Where’s everyone seen that Arteta post game interview? Not on Sky yet. Wonder if he will have calmed down a bit by then.

Mr Serge

How was that goal given its a disgrace

raptora

Chris: “Refs are paid to catch that. It’s their job.”

It was their job to fuck us over. Job well done.

karim

How can var miss joelinton’s right back touching the ball into the bargain ?

Dis-gus-ting

Mikel Coneteta

Raptora

Because he hasn’t scored in near 20 away games and people like you are on here telling us he’s going to be great.

Games like these, in tough places, are won by odd goals as proven today. The refereeing was a shambles, I’ve said all that. But I’ll also continue to call out a player that isn’t Arsenal quality in such a crucial role for us.

Eddie is a mid table striker that we have starting games as we try and challenge Manchester fucking City who have Haaland and Alvarez at CF. It’s night and day.

WengerEagle

It’s astounding to me how nobody brings attention to the fact that our fullbacks provide literally zero threat and leave our widemen completely isolated.

Yes both are excellent defensively but that’s not much use when you are chasing a game and need a goal. Marti and Saka had stinkers but neither ever get any support in forward positions and neither are on the level (yet, hopefully) where they can blow past 1-2 defenders themselves more often than not.

Johng

Can’t really argue with that Jossip. Add a striker though and we will be cooking, if we had a striker defenders feared like Haaland it would free up space for ou wingers

Marko

Again the problem isn’t VAR the technology works but unfortunately it’s still being interpreted by some obviously questionable individuals

raptora

Arteta: “It was embarrassing what happened and how the goal stands.

“I had 20 years in this country and now I feel ashamed. It is an absolute disgrace.”

Right in. And nothing will change. Saudis and the UAE pay well.

Ben D

We didn’t win, and we didn’t create enough. But given what the referee was willing to let their players get away with, I’m proud of the boys. We weren’t bullied like some years ago.

We were clearly robbed. A draw was the right result even with the poor refereeing

TR7

Saka and Martinelli still have a lot of learning to do, they are not Robben and Ribery in their prime. They are very young and should I say still very limited in their wide play.

People loosely throw tags like superstars and world class players on them but they have a long way to go.

MG42

For all those claiming the ball was out, that was a foul on Gabriel it was offside. There ARE NO images that support that. Peacock just showed all the images available to VAR to make a decision and NONE of the images show conclusive evidence that the on field decision of the goal given. Is wrong. No available image that Gabriel was pushed or already was on his way down. No image available from an angle that the ball was clearly out. Just because you see grass between ball and line doesn’t mean there is no overhang. However, Bruno G… Read more »

Dissenter

Common sense and fairness will dictate that it there are so many disputable problems with one goal that can decide a game

…..you disallow it

It it was just one contentious issue , then maybe … but to have an accumulation of so many ????, the goal should have been disallowed.

WengerEagle

Agreed TR7 but you must remember that even Robben and Ribery had two world beaters in Lahm and Alaba for forward support.

Markymark

GD4 – heart can’t take it? Total pussy, man up ! How old are you ? Jesus H you’re a wimp. Come on here giving it out about old guys. Total wuss.

Raya – despite all the crap VAR. Raya has to take the blame . He’s just so small between the posts and not sure where this leaping prowess is meant to show.

January needs a forward coming our way

Josip Skoblar

We really need to buy a striker in January. We can’t go on like this.

Marko

astounding to me how nobody brings attention to the fact that our fullbacks provide literally zero threat and leave our widemen completely isolated.

WE I’ve been saying this all season Arteta changing things up with the back 3 LB’s in midfield shite has fucked things up for us. Had white Saka and Odegaard linking up very well last season but not this

Gunnernet

I fully agree there TR7. Saka has been quite overrated honestly. He has immense talent but has been shockingly quiet and predictable for many games.

Paulie

Our overrated clueless manager has added 65 million bottler Havertz and an atrocious bottler keeper to a team already full of bottlers. I think the Kroenkes will be seriously worried by the amount of money they are after allowing Arteta to spend considering we are worse than last year and a million miles away from winning a major trophy

WengerEagle

Was there a meaningful chance created in the game?

Eddie was shite and isn’t good enough but the lack of any creativity whatsoever is very concerning.

psuedo warrior

Mikel’s comments needs to be applied to a few ‘fans’ here as well. They are embarrassing and absolute disgrace.

We’ve literally been trying to scale mountains this season with our injury list. It still needed an extraordinarily incompetent referee performance to beat us.

Gunnernet

WengerEagle, thats why we missed Odegard today. He brings that directness and he shoots the ball. None of our midfielders bring this to the table. We clearly need a better class striker and a second midfielder when Odegard is out. Vieira and Kai cannot assume this role.

Mysticleaves

The ball wasn’t out, it wasn’t offside and the foul on Gabriel is inconclusive. The only gripe is the handball but nobody was looking for that so I guess it wasn’t seen. Tough look. I just watched it again and again without emotions. Lol

China1

Chris he compared Emery’s unbeaten run with artetas, not Emery’s death spiral which you are referring to

Emery had something like a 14 game unbeaten run near the start of his first season

That’s what was being referenced

MG42

Get players that can win the game with multiple goals not relying on a clean sheet and a goal from your forwards. In 9 games we scored 14 unacceptable but we got Kai Bergkamp and a few other useless players that Arteta bought who turned out to be duds.

Gunnernet

@mystic what are you talking about, ball was clearly off the line. What do you think then? 4-5 plays were very doubtful. The only thing is incoclusive is how on earth this goal stood!

China1

‘ We’ve literally been trying to scale mountains this season with our injury list. It still needed an extraordinarily incompetent referee performance to beat us.’

We’ve probably had 8+ first team era in almost every league match

Not sure what you’re referencing here

Partey and Jesus are the only two frequent absentees from the starting 11 and the latter has played several games still

GunnerWomble

The ball was out.
The foul on Gabriel was “inconclusive”
It was offside.
We missed Partey and his ability to get the ball to either Martinelli or Ssks in dangerous areas which they can run onto at pace…
We needb a better striker than Eddy because Jesus isn’t going to play enough games to make the difference.

TR7

The ball was definitely out and Gabriel was definitely fouled. Is there any debate on that ?

Pierre

Arteta has the right hump , actually saying it as it is. good for him ..

Goona

Eddie is championship level at best, saka has been shit all season he looks completely uninterested, martinelli is either shit hot or crap…we won’t win anything with them up front.

Freddie Ljungberg

Gunnernet

“and a second midfielder when Odegard is out”

We need that midfielder to play next to Ode, just having him there doesn’t solve our creativity issues.

With no Partey playing through the lines and very little support to our wingers from our fullbacks we need a world class, creative player in that left 8 position. Not someone that is just ok defensively and can win a couple of headers now and then.

Marko

Havertz was actually better today than in previous but he was still shite and ineffectual which should tell you how he’s been.

Vickingz

And Ordegard was the worst player we played today, so terribly bad he couldn’t make just a decent pass

Paulie

Havertz, Nkethia, Raya, Viera and jorgino all in the same team, ffs how were we only beaten by one goal, what a shit show we are having spent all that money and all these jokers are even still at the club

Marko

The ball was out and I think by the letter of the law he’s offside since he’s behind the keeper. The foul is 50/50 but I’ve seen it given. Guimaraes should have been sent off too but that shouldn’t be an excuse for yet another poor performance and set up by the way manager