NEWCASTLE VS ARSENAL – THE GHOST OF SEASON’S PAST LOOMS

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The chatter before the game with Mikel Arteta was all focused on the dire performance against West Ham.

What about the standards?

Can the players recover?

Are you worried?

Journalists need soundbites and fans need drama. But I am not convinced there’s a major problem going out of the League Cup. You don’t care about the competition, the club doesn’t, nor do the players. So let’s not overdramatize a loss.

The focus is the Champions League and Premier League. Not feelings around a cup exit in a competition that would have seen us doing a double away session against Liverpool.

There’s only so much gas in the tank for this Arsenal team and we’ve already been sputtering more than usual and it’s only November. The League Cup doesn’t matter when you’re in the Champions League. If it does to you, great, you’re part of a very small collection of people, and I’m going to be really patronizing here: I feel for you. You might not want my sympathy, but I’m going to give it to you. In a world of Mike Dean, Richard Keys Arteta slander, and questionable loan deals between nation-state clubs… you choose this issue to anger you? Let it go.

The big game this week was always Newcastle. If we beat them, no one is talking about Wednesday. If we lose, everyone will double down and complain the weakened side against West Ham was the issue.

Don’t buy it. Arteta gave us the best possible chance against Newcastle by rotating heavily. There were some complaints he rolled on big names for 30 minutes. Again, don’t listen to those fans. Sure, it might have been a leg-breaker risk, but 30 minutes keeps the players fresh and stops them doing the warm down sessions after the game. Our boys got into bed nice and early so they should be in good shape.

So what of Newcastle? They’re a mixed bag if I’m honest.

Top of the xG league this season, but when you look at their results, there’s a clear pattern.

They’ve been losing to the top teams and they’ve beaten the teams they should have.

Their thumping of PSG threw me a little, but then they were beaten at home by Dortmund and they were hammered by Milan and got away with the draw.

Eddie Howe has a lot of injuries to deal with tomorrow.

The factors going against us? We have problems at Newcastle. They’re fearless, they have a lot of beasts in their team, and there’s definitely a bit of PTSD from a few seasons ago.

I don’t count the West Ham game as a problem. What I do think is a going concern is the on-going injury pile-up. Gabi Jesus likely won’t make it, Thomas Partey certainly won’t, and there are doubts on Martin Odegaard (though I think he’ll be good).

That means we’ll likely have a midfield of Rice, Jorginho, and Odegaard.

Defensively, it’s pretty clear that a midweek rested Tomi means he’s getting the nod over the impressive Zinchenko.

Up top, you’d guess it would be Eddie – but he had a stinker in midweek, doesn’t do well against brutal teams, and he hasn’t scored in 18 away games. Will the hat trick sway Mikel?

Kai has been going through it. I’d like to see him pick up that 8 role again. However, against Newcastle, he could be our best bet as a false 9.

The job is not to lose. Newcastle is one of the toughest away days in the league. It’s easy to get caught up by the spicy atmosphere and the electric emotions that course throughout the stadium. So a point or more will do me.

We’re a good away side, but we haven’t found 5th gear all season. 10 games in is when peak fitness starts. I want to see our players looking fresh from minute one – but the most important ingredient is bravery. This game is the biggest for David Raya yet. Bigger than City. Away at Newcastle, they will press, and they will try and bother him. If he’s not brave, our whole system breaks. If he’s not in command of his box, Newcastle will be. He could be a difference maker. We need him to show us that he has a level higher in the locker.

It’s a bit of an annoying weekend to be playing Newcastle because there aren’t any other big games. Not sure Chelsea / Spurs really cuts the shape of a going concern. Drop points here and we get pulled into the muck. We could end the weekend in 5th place. Win… and we pull away from Newcastle and keep up with the league challengers.

There’s a lot on the line – let’s see what Arteta brings to the party.

Ok, see you in the comments. Remember to join the On The Whistle right after the game.

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Chrispy

One of the toughest fixtures of the calendar. I think it’s 3 points for us though. Just a feeling……

Nigel Tufnel

Last year’s finish.

Nigel Tufnel

The two most intelligent posters come first and second.

Nigel Tufnel

About the previous thread… I don’t want to harm anyone’s sensibilities…. but does anyone ever stop to think that the amount of wanking over Emile Smith Rowe is more than a bit overdone, considering how little effect he’s had on our club for a long time? Him being a productive part of the squad seems more and more like a pipe dream. Children here want to blame Arteta, Havertz, Vieira, even senile Pierre blames Ødegaard. Maybe there is no person to blame. It’s just harsh reality. I hope I’m wrong, but his chances are becoming more and more remote for… Read more »

LoveSausage

Newcastle have their own injury pile up. We need to deal with the atmosphere but otherwise, this will be as good an opportunity as we’ll get to get a win.

MG42

Where are the goals coming from? You can only expect that many from Odegaard, Saka and Martinelli since Tets is bent on starting Zero Havertz. At St. James Park it will be a real test and I am not very hopeful to have our manager in training get the squad up to mental strength to survive that intimidating atmosphere.

Madhu

Pedros propaganda is at its peak. In one breath he says don’t fret over league cups offcourse we have won it every season and missing out this season is no big deal. On the other hand he says a point in PL is good enough to an injury piled up without Isak New Castle. If we have to ignore the league Cup then a 3 point against New Castle is a must. Don’t get influenced by Pedros Arteta propaganda. He is bent on giving a free pass to Arteta.

MG42

Question: Havertz hasn’t been the replacement for Xhaka that Mikel Arteta probably thought he would be. Do you see Arsenal going into the market to rectify this in January? Ornstein answers: No. Havertz needs time and has Arsenal’s full support. When they next make a significant recruit, I reckon that will be a striker, but it will depend on all the normal factors like money, availability, existing options, injuries and more. There was no plan to sign a striker last summer and I suspect in an ideal world for Arsenal that would have been the stance for January, too, with… Read more »

Madhu

What has this team won as a team to justify making any cup games inconsequential? Winning breeds winners and as a team its important to win something to give that confidence that we can do something. It doesn’t bode well for a team which haven’t achieved anything as a bunch to be able to take games easily.

Mysticleaves

Nigel ESR was fit and available. Of course whether I know better than the medics or coaches in this case is irrelevant. He was declared and ready by both and was named on the bench since before the summer. He just wasn’t used. Again, whether he would have made a difference had he been played is irrelevant because that wasn’t the discourse. I was replying to a poster that said ESR was getting to Wilshere levels of injury/availability. Of course that’s not the case. He was available since before the summer but wasn’t used at all. The PR agenda then… Read more »

Siddeeq

Play Jorginho vs Newcastle and we lose.
For a draw play Rice, Kai, Ode.

Kai is a better athlete than Jorginho and thats whats needed.

Br0wnie

Carabao Cup is a chance to give your backups some playing time and rest your starters. Nothing more
Nothing less

Mysticleaves

Joe Willock. Might not do anything against us today but any Arsenal fan can’t look at how the kid has been progressing for years and feel like Arteta had done a madness there. I mean if we had a capable 8 but was doing as good or better than what Willock has had to offer then no one would bat many eyelids. But to sell Willock and then persist (at different times) with Xhaka (justified in his last season), Lokonga, Vieria and now Kai Haverts as no 8 is brain dead decision at its worst.

Mysticleaves

Madhu, take a look at Brownie and realise that Pedro’s spin is working.

Br0wnie

No you’re right Mysticalcleavage.. Let’s burn out our key players early for the prestigious Caraboa Cup so you can whine about Arteta’s poor man management.

MG42

In Saturday’s game “There’s a lot on the line – let’s see what Arteta brings to the party.”

That’s easy it will be Nada, zip, naught, zilch, niente.

Raulishuss

Pedros propaganda is at its peak. In one breath he says don’t fret over league cups offcourse we have won it every season and missing out this season is no big deal. On the other hand he says a point in PL is good enough to an injury piled up without Isak New Castle. If we have to ignore the league Cup then a 3 point against New Castle is a must. Don’t get influenced by Pedros Arteta propaganda. He is bent on giving a free pass to Arteta. Remind me again why you don’t comment on bergkampesque? You negative… Read more »

Samesong

Didn’t Jorginho play when we last beat Newcastle? People have short memories. Now the latest trend is playing Zinny in midfield against probably one of the most physical sides in the league.

Samesong

You don’t bring a player like Jorginho off the bench you start him.

local

Jorginho struggles against high press(eg. Spuds, Chavs).

If Willock plays as LM we can have more control as he is weak and doesn’t have physical stats like Joelinton.

If Joelinton plays however it will be more difficult.

Raulishuss

Jorginho was instrumental against Newcastle last season. No worries there imo I’ll rather him than havertz starting tbh

TeeCee

Pedro….’impressive Zinchenko’? You haven’t actually been watching Arsenal have you? Zinchenko is a disaster, terrible defending, his passing is so poor, slow and poor decision making….. He shouldn’t be anywhere near this team. As for Havertz……. The worst signing in 30 years! Pepe is 10 times the player. Havertz is right up there with Stepanovs, Gus Caesar and Lee Chapman for lack of quality. If he plays against Newcastle, we won’t win the game, we’ll be playing with 10 men yet again, like in every game he plays.

Madhu

Mysti – agree with you on Willock for sure. Well it may be controversial but in shit teams like Fulham and everton Iwobi stands out. Our way of inducting academy players and making them grow stinks. Willock for.sure could have done far better than a Kai. Kai in uncertain terms a player he is nothing but a expensive and.overpriced Elneny stealing 250+ K every week. Disgraceful.

Zomber

Impressive Zinchenko my ass. I am still waiting for someone to explain what good he does. Playing him in defense is like a dog shows his belly to anyone. And I am still looking for his values to the attacking. The team is far better without him. And I do hope the another alibi player sits out the match too. Jorginho is equally valuable

Markymark

The ghost of a season past was an unlucky draw at the Emirates and a win away. There should be no overhang of low morale going into the game.
Two players assuming they are in the first 11 need to perform at a higher level than has been seen so far . Simply this , Raya and Havertz have to perform.
Zinchenko should not be considered it’s to much of a physical match. Eddie needs to take his chances
Job done I’m feeling 2-0 to us !

Thierry Martinelli

If we have to ignore the league Cup then a 3 point against New Castle is a must
💯
Madhu sinking 3 pointers from downtown.

but does anyone ever stop to think that the amount of wanking over Emile Smith Rowe is more than a bit overdone, considering how little effect he’s had on our club for a long time?
💯

ESR had 1 decent season. Injuries have been been a problem but unfortunately he’s in a short term result based business – he has to maximise any opportunity he gets. He hasn’t.

Thierry Martinelli

And as much as not people don’t give a shit about the carabao cup, they sure care a lot about the performance on display. If not, then we wouldn’t be tuned in and we’d have no travelling fans.

Thierry Martinelli

Go out with respect. That’s what the fans want

Madhu

Raulishuss it’s apparent that you have a problem with me. Calling me names satisfies you then I am happy that I can give you that happiness. By the way you need treatment. Hope you get better.

Pierre

Local
” Willock plays as LM we can have more control as he is weak and doesn’t have physical stats like Joelinton”

Willock won’t start، Wednesday was his first start of the season .

Pierre

Markymark
” Simply this , Raya and Havertz have to perform.”

Actually they all need to perform، I wouldn’t worry about Raya ، he could do with a tougher game to show his quality, Raya going long early doors would be sensible as Newcastle will be very aggressive with their press in the opening period.

GD4

A win today would be so immense, a draw I could live, but a loss???? Yikes the ramifications could be awful for our early season psyche

Johng

Agree need to avoid a loss as wouldn’t be good for the confidence but as if stands at the moment I think we can go there and win today IF we turn up

Johng

* it stands

Josip Skoblar

At least Pepe scored a few goals, some were crackers…

Gazza

Jorginho was probably our best player last year at Newcastle controlled the midfield with Granit

Guns of Hackney

I feel our very long injury list has already caught us up. Lots of holes all over the team and let’s be brutally honest, even the players we have out would’t be missed in a top team anyway. Jesus out again. No Partey. Yawn. Smith Rowe. Injury encyclopaedia. Shite GK’s.

Also, Newcastle in November in the rain and cold. Not a chance the soft dandies with the soft underbelly is overcoming the geordie bastards.

2-0 Newcastle.

Josip Skoblar

Tough game but I expect us to win (ugly).
Newcastle-AFC 1-2.

Chris

Newcastle (especially Dan Burn) will be dangerous from set pieces. Raya will have to be alert. I don’t think he is ruffled easily though so even if the atmosphere and pace of the game is intense he will continue to play out as instructed.

It’s a huge game, enjoy it guys. I should be back home in time for kick off with a few cold beers. I’m confident.

Johng

G O H in glass totally empty mode again

Johng

Chris agree but we should have the personnel to deal with it, we do have a big team this season

Guns of Hackney

John

Trust me darling, my glass is always full.

I like what Newcastle are doing. I’ve never had a beef with them. I remember back in 98 having beers and laughs with Newcastle after we smoked them in the FA cup. Good people. But ugly. Very ugly.

I think we’re going into a top game really weak. Off a defeat, gk woes, injuries mounting and a bit meh form. Add the weather and it’s a recipe for a bad day at the office.

Johng

Guns , best take a big gulp and try and enjoy then😉

Guns of Hackney

I won’t see the game as I am going to a firework display…in the rain in a midlands town…in a rather posh country estate. Apparently baked potato and chilli will be served with a mulled wine.

I’ll keep an eye on the score.

Guns of Hackney

John

I like Morrisey. I don’t enjoy anyrhing

jwl

Funny story, our U18s had their match suspended today because the bus driver took them to bournemouth and not brighton where they were meant to be.

Johng

Guns, I am staying home and watching the match, hopefully Arsenal can create a few fireworks of their own

Johng

They probably thought Bournemouth would be the easier game. U18 manager out 😂

Guns of Hackney

JWL

Ha ha. Dude was drunk. Both places begin with a B and are full of gay sailors. Easy mistake.

Is that a forfeited game?

Markymark

GOH – with this level of miserableness you need to transfer over to UTD it’s got plenty going for it. In terms of pathos and genuine fucked up strategy and planning

Guns of Hackney

Marky

I have such high levels of expectiveness, anything less than perfect makes me annoyed. What can I say?

I’m very happy actually. I don’t walk into a local shop and huff at someone, but when it comes to performance and sports teams and millionaires doing sports with no repercussions, it bugs the hell out of me.

That’s it.

jwl

It says postponed, Guns of Hackney, to be rescheduled at later date which surprises me because you think that would be a forfeit.

Guns of Hackney

100% a forfeit. Maybe the big team should use that excuse to get a bit of time to recover an injury or 17.

Spanishdave

The under 18 need geography lessons there are a few signposts on the way!

Matt

It’s going to be a frustrating game later watching that massive uggo Anthony Gordon throwing himself all over the place.

Guns of Hackney

Uggo.

I am taking that. Thanks Matt.

Matt

GOH

Use it wisely

Marko

Arsenal U18’s game against Brighton today has been postponed after the team coach ended up at the wrong stadium, as per
@jeorgebird
.

The squad ended up in Bournemouth, which is 95 miles away from Brighton.

That’s hilarious

Guns of Hackney

Matt

Mate, I’ve literally just overused it, and killed it in the last 10 mins. Everyone that knows me has just been called an Uggo.

Jj

This is a real Arsenal supporter, going to watch fireworks during the game and after he’ll be moaning here how shit we were despite a win.

MG42

The game will be physical with the crowd egging on their team, we will be on the short end of the sticks. Rice needs to become the on pitch leader to install some steel into the players when the opposition scores first.

Guns of Hackney

Jj

Do you think I should not take my child to a firework display and watch a shitty live stream from a rip off website instead?

I mean, it’s tempting…but.

Matt

GOH

🤣 you’ve got to show restraint with those little gems!

Guns of Hackney

MG42 is as nihilistic as I am.

Guns of Hackney

Matt

I couldn’t control myself. No idea why something to simple made me chuckle?

Anyway, it’s done now. Can’t use it again.

Markymark

UTD needing a goal take off Hojlund. A lucky dodge ftom us . So very raw.
Erikson has been shite this year as well. I think he had some support on this forum

Ben D

Watching Fulham, and can’t stop thinking how useful Iwobi will be in that Xhaka role in this Arsenal team. Works hard, good on the ball and an attacking threat

TR7

Fulham had 3 opportunities to clear the ball, shambolic defending.

Markymark

Looks like a good result as it keeps ETH in a job for a while longer

Matt

Exactly. I’m all for United scraping through games and picking up some points here and there. If they change the manager they can surely only improve.

Marko

I heard the sky commentary say big moment for Manchester united football club and I thought holy shit how bad do you have to be to think that.

TR7

I always want United to lose.

Goona

Fernández just said that was a good performance….manure are delusional

GD4

On a side note, the ex cop just laid the smack down on Anthony Taylor. And he’s supposed to be one of the nations top refs.
Dropped down to the championship.
Damn!

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-referee-demoted-championship-31358107

Vickingz

Newcastle 3

Bob N16

Finish off your joyful post Vickingz, Arsenal 6?

Markymark

TR7 – it’s a balance thing in my mind. Overall I think Moyes at UTD had a better chance of beating us than ETH. I just see ETH as being second rate and not up to to lifting Manure sufficiently. He’s really bought badly hasn’t he. On balance let them have horrible wins every now and again then go right off the boil.

Markymark

Ultimately to have one of the worlds greatest players at your club who is a prima Donna but impeccable with his life style ( no George Best behaviour ) then piss him off his really piss poor. There would be managers stroking Ronaldo’s ego getting him to mentor a Sancho for instance.
ETH has been poor at playing his cards

Jollof Rice

Newcastle 1, Arsenal 2

Tom

Demoting match officials for one game will accomplish fuck all when its the system that’s broken.
How people don’t realize this by now is beyond me.

Taylor saw the play in question for a split second and was never sent to the monitor to review it.
Had he been instructed to do so and still given the penalty, then we could be talking about an incompetent ref making terrible decisions.
It’s the idiotic clear and obvious error that’s been handicapping VAR from the off.

Topside Northbank

Like the Partey rumour I posted couple of weeks ago before the Chelsea game that he was injured.

Rumours that Jesus trained yesterday and travelled with the squad to Newcastle.

I hope this one also turns out true!

Rich

Check out Kudus’s goal for West Ham…🔥

TR7

We should have signed Kovacic from Chelsea, not Kai.

Have always rated Kovacic, superb no 8 despite his age. Has fitted seamlessly in Man City team.

FB

Turn up on LeGrove match day. Skim read last few day’s comments.

Dear God, heaven forbid we drop points or lose, there will be self harm amongst the snowflakes and Mummy’s everywhere having to buy their poor little darlings new phones and screens.

You know who you are.

Anyone else actually excited?

Benjamin

Really hope that City gets 15 points deducted.
This year. Otherwise its going to be tough
to finish above them.

zaco

still can’t wrap my head on Arsenal spending 65M on Harvetz when there were so many better players in the market that could be had for less

Habesha Gooner

City smashing Bournemouth as expected. We need to win today an make a statement. If we do, there are a lot of games for the others to drop points in.

Socrates

I think Pedro is wrong that Arteta didn’t care about the efl cup. If he really didn’t he could have given one or two academy players a run out but they weren’t even on the bench. He could also have tried out some new tactic or experimented with something but all he did was rotate.

Socrates

I would have thought West Ham would have to recover from our game with us but beating Brentford away after our midweek game would be some achievement

Habesha Gooner

I hope Jorginho is left on the bench today. Give Havertz a run out even though he is stinking out the place. Something has to give. Jorginho played well last season in the same fixture but he will be found out if he starts today.

Socrates

For all of Man Utd so called woes they’re just 6 points behind us

vieira

I am confident about today, similar to the City game this should be the best time to play Newcastle, despite their confidence boosting win midweek. We won there last year and if we control the midfield today by playing Jorginho and Rice, we can do damage. Every one was critical of the match against Westham, however had Havertz scored his header that would have been a totally different match. We have been mature controlling games very well albeit difficult to watch, long may it continue and today only the result matters and I don’t see any reason why we should… Read more »

vieira

we need to be physical today I would throw Havertz upfront instead of Eddie.

MG42

@FB (FanBoy)
“Dear God, heaven forbid we drop points or lose, there will be self harm amongst the snowflakes and Mummy’s everywhere”

Let me fix that for you:
Dear God, heaven forbid we drop points or lose, there will be self confidence amongst the realists and ITKs everywhere

Nigel Tufnel

Pierre: “Raya going long early doors would be sensible as Newcastle will be very aggressive with their press in the opening period.” – somebody does not understand the keepers remit in the slightest. The whole reason he’s here is because Arteta wants to draw in the pressers with patience and get past and through it. This creates some space behind the highest opponents, especially in the middle of the park….. His accurate long balls are for occasional opportunities that arise, or just to mix in. I won’t mind if he tries a couple early, and he’s so good at it… Read more »

Jollof Rice

Prediction:

Newcastle 1: Arsenal 2.

If we win, I’ll be all over the comments section.

If we lose, you won’t see me for dust. 😉

LoveSausage

Pickford has been time wasting since Everton scored in the first half. Embarrassing.

FB

MG42

Well spotted. I was indeed referring to you

Amongst others of course. I noticed many whinging comments from you as a I scanned the comments. Get a life springs to mind, or at least fuck off on match days.

FB

Good one Jollof 🙂

I learn’t from a Northbank comment a while ago. Clear off before the whistle sounds.

Shame, because there are some great commentators I like to read who are bright and level headed, but they’re never around during games.

The site just gets drowned out by the wet sheep.

TR7

Apparently Odegaard out injured.

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