RAYA, THE CHOSEN #ONE

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There’s been a lot of debate in the air about David Raya vs Aaron Ramsdale. A large chunk of that, in my opinion, is the English looking out for the English.

But it doesn’t matter. There is no debate. Mikel Arteta thinks David Raya is the future of the Arsenal keeping story and he’s going to play his new man until it works.

The biggest error Arteta made was pretending his biggest mistake was not subbing on keepers during a game – or having different options for tactics. Arteta is never going to sub a keeper on at 70 minutes to change a game unless there’s a broken leg. All the tacticos frothing at the idea of this did make me laugh. The idea was always silly. If the most important player you can bring on to tactically change a game is a keeper, you’ve done something very wrong when picking your squad. There’s also the jarring nature of doing it in a game. If a keeper with cold gloves comes on and makes an error, the coach is in the mud. I also don’t see a game state where that move is merited. Chasing a game and you want a new keeper? Really? Defending a game and you want to bring on a keeper to see it out? Really? Arteta created the hill he is currently dying on and he deserves this. He should have just been honest about his plans… now people are prodding at him because by his own words, he should be dropping Raya right now.

What he should have said is he’s looking for something different this season and he’s changing things up.

David Raya is the chosen one and here are some things we have to consider:

Some of his errors of late are down to the way he’s being asked to play. He isn’t doing the same things as Ramsdale, he’s being asked to take things to the next level. That comes at a price, occasionally. We’ve seen Ederson, the very best, giving the ball away with consequences in the Manchester derby, and there are lots of moments you can find of him giving the ball away. His kicking success rate hovers in the same area as Raya. High-risk keepers come with high-risk errors. Arteta doesn’t want a keeper, he wants a makeshift centre back, and that’s a hard position to play.

He was lobbed from a cross at the weekend. It was an error, no doubt. He was out of position – and it angered me at the time. But looking back, it’s clear he’s at the front post because he’s aggressively trying to cut out crosses. Mudryk accidentally hit his shot into the only part of the net he would have scored from.

Some of the shakiness in the defence with the way he plays is down to the fact he’s had a short amount of time with his defence. Life was different at Brentford. He’d played in their system for 7 years, he knew everyone, he was part of their style. Arsenal is another level, he has to learn new routines, do different things, and unfortunately, that takes time.

Arsenal fans love Aaron Ramsdale. But it’s hard to look at his game over the last year and say it’s better than what we’re going to get when Raya settles. Aaron stopped coming for crosses, his kicking slowly regressed, his shot-stopping was way below average, and he made big mistakes in important moments.

It’s easy forget when part of the way you judge a player’s talent is how much you like them. The Moneyball concept was based on cutting out commentary like ‘his hairline is receding, he’ll lack self-esteem and confidence.’ You can’t judge a player by how much you like him.

Here are the stats side by side.

More passes, more successful passes, more ambitious passing, more touches, and better lost possession percentage. He’s also a suprem shot-stopper.

Also, let’s talk about his errors. The one against RC Lens ended in a world-class finish, the one against Spurs had a lot happen after it and ended in a world-class finish, the one against Chelsea was a horrendously lucky shot.

The luck will course correct, the errors will die, and he will show that he’s the chosen one with world-class performances.

This kind of reminds me about the time we signed Thomas Partey and the stats sites said they wouldn’t have taken him on a free transfer. Then he moved into the single pivot position and didn’t do well there game one and people said he’d fail. How did that work out as a hot take? Terribly.

The one thing no one offers in the Premier League chatter, even some of the smartest analysts, is time.

It takes everyone time to settle unless your name is Declan Rice.

Aaron Ramsdale will be sold in January for £40m and we’ll use that money to buy a striker.

That’ll be the end of that. Don’t hang your hat on ‘two quality keepers’ because quality keepers don’t sit on the bench. Ramsdale is a quality keeper, he needs to play, he will get a big offer.

Right, that’s me done.

Let me know YOUR thoughts in the comments section! x

 

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MidwestGun

Wow ,. what an ending haha.. The spine of our team was excellent today… Saliba.. Big Gabby, Rice,, Jesus and Marti.. very good.

Batistuta

Eddie Nketiah is never going to be up to scratch for Arsenal im sorry

Samesong

karimOctober 24, 2023 19:56:41
Sevilla 1
Arsenal 2

Nice one Karim

MidwestGun

TT played his ass off too.

Johng

Well done boys, hope Jesus injury not serious

Batistuta

Id gladly also take Ramsdale back please

Luteo Guenreira

Well we got it.

Why does it feel like our players always clear it directly to the opposition when we try to absorb pressure?

Markymark

Raya is a very lucky keeper never known anyone get away with so many blunders. But well done Arsenal!

Leftside

Yeah Tomi was great tonight

Habesha Gooner

Good points. But our performances are seriously concerning at this point. We need to play much better.

salparadisenyc

That a boy Karim… 😎

Should of been 3 or 4 to the Arsenal, what a ropey end. We brought all that on ourselves.

TheLegendaryDB10

Fuck yes!!!!

Great 3 points.

We really did better in the 2nd half.

But we still have a lot of work to do.

It was very far from a comfortable win.

Chris

Huge win in more ways than one. An announcement in this competition for us I feel. And with the way the other result has gone we have gone from fretting about qualitying to being in a great position. 2 home games left too.

Pv4

I swear they are trying to give me a heart attack this team lol

Johng

Yes TT , well played

rollen

Nice one Karim.
Eddie and Raya out!

raptora

My boy karim got the bullseye prediction! LETS GOOO!!!!

DM

Nketiah is just bad, seriously. Nowhere near the calibre of most of our players.

Raya… Dno, so far I prefer Ramsdale.

Saka needs a bit of rejuvenation I think. We all know how good he is but he hasn’t been delivering his A game for a while in my opinion.

salparadisenyc

Can’t wait to read more Raya stats on his forward play additions.

Jamie

Crazy end. Take the points and get on the plane

Pv4

But as amazing as the result is…….. serious question, should Raya be benched.

raptora

HUGE WIN! Happy for the boys, happy for us, happy for WEagle! I bet he’s having an unforgettable night!

Habesha Gooner

I keep saying it game after game. Rice has just been so worth it. The guy is like a one man defending machine. We need to stick him at 6 and let our creative players play.

MidwestGun

Other game was a draw so .. in control of the group now.

Samesong

I actually like Raya. Seville is not an easy place to go to.

raptora

Martinelli has scored in his first Premier League start, his first Europa League start, his first League Cup start and now, his first Champions League start. Boy gonna be a superstar one day!

Pierre

Marlarky
“Raya is a very lucky keeper never known anyone get away with so many blunders. ”

You seem a bit peeved about that

Johng

Good result at a tough place to go, a little bit scary at the end, but not sure if that’s me being more nervous than the players

MidwestGun

Yep.. let’s all pray .. Eagle made it out safely.. haha. Whatever lucky charm he had..worked.

rollen

TT over Zinchenko too.
Arteta just like Wenger will overplay his favorites even when out of form. He is shitty at this, at least Wenger didn’t really had good subs most of the time.

Johng

Rap, already is

Bob N16

Back 4, Rice, Martinelli, Jesus take a bow. Top of the group, two home games to keep us there. Happy days!

karim

Cheers guys !
Now that we’ve won and Lens have drawn, just need psg to beat ac Milan and I’m a happy man
💰

Rich

Losing Jesus is a blow, and second half was more manic than I’d like… But brilliant result.

Lens dropping 2 points at home as well, caps off a really good night.

salparadisenyc

Love Henry:

“I really don’t like the way we finished the game in a 6-3-1 defending.”

Too fucking right sir.

Right side of our attack looking really flaccid at moment between Ø and Saka, everything went down the left side tonight.

Speaks to depth I suppose but we need some rejuvination juice.

Jesus MOTM, on fire, but please tell me how great Eddie is…?

rollen

Let’s start go fund me and send WE to every away game to sit in home ultras section!

Bob N16

My mates are saying Sevilla fans friendly.

Pv4

@Rollen

Hahahaha in disguise I hope?

Marko

That game was made way more difficult than it needed to be and that was down to Mikel and his subs but it’s whatever at this point take the 3 points and move on

Batistuta

That Havertz signing looks like it was some kind of way of helping Chelsea out. He looks lost out there

Pierre

What some of you don’t get is that Eddie coming on and conceding free kicks against a passing team like sevilla prevents them from having any continuity in their play, especially as they never play the ball long.

Giving a free kick away against a team like sevilla allows the Arsenal players to regroup and remain solid….

Samesong

Is Reiss locked up or something? Saka and Ode didn’t really look in the game tonight.

Mikel Coneteta

Great result, but feels like we conspired to turn a jubilant 3-0 away performance into a slippery 2-1 with a dodgy 10 mins to close. From nowhere too. Raya isn’t reassuring at all, was terrible with his feet tonight and that punch was Sunday league. Very fortunate. Jesus was superb before going off, that’s the level. His ‘competition’ doesn’t get near it and that’s a problem over a whole season. Ivan Toney will be sat at home thinking gimme some of that. Midfield composition is not it. Don’t like Rice anywhere but a #6. The second he went deeper to… Read more »

Batistuta

Rice our player of the season already

Northbanker

Great overall game but roughed out the win. Can only add same superlatives re back 4 Rice Marti and Jesus

Kai looked ineffective Raya up and down (bring back Ram) and Eddie sadly useless. Concerned Ode and Saka look off the boil . Both need resting

Gutted ESR didn’t come on instead of Kai

Graham62

Yes, very good result and puts us in a good position in group.
I thought Rice was immense again, especially in the final 30 minutes.
Hats off to Tomiyasu, who had an excellent game.

Batistuta

Also Arteta has to learn to rotate Saka and Odegard, Smith rowe and nelson surelu should be getting more game time not just in carabao cup games

Bob N16

Pierre, conceding free kicks is ok, not sprinting to close down opposition players is inexcusable!

Youdaman

Pierre, you can’t possibly defend Eddie
After that cameo.
He was absolute dog shit

Marko

What some of you don’t get is that Eddie coming on and conceding free kicks against a passing team like sevilla prevents them from having any continuity in their play,

That is the dumbest way to argue with how shite he is. It’s kinda hilarious

Pierre

Not sure why we don’t put Rice at the near post when defending corners , I think that’s a couple of times we have conceded in that area , having Odegaard at the near post not even looking at the ball is a pointless excercise, maybe Odegaard us worried his quiff might get messed up if he tries to head the ball

salparadisenyc

Pierre

This is the moment where you leave the Eddie agenda for a moment and say take a bow Jesus, match winner right there.

Habesha Gooner

I thought Havertz had a good cameo. Eddie was very poor for that few minutes he got. Odegaard also very much off form. That Jorginho Rice Odegaard midfield needs to stop. We need to play an attacking player in there. Partey’s cute passes in between the lines might be enough to play him and Rice there but Jorginho certainly isn’t it.

Declan Rice though take a bow. We need to build the team around him as the pivot. I thought he would be good for us before he signed but he has acclamatized even better than I expected.

Bob N16

I wouldn’t criticise Odegaard for the set pieces. When you have five players who have played CB on the pitch , it’s not clever to leave Jesus as your near post defender for their goal. I’m sure post game analysis will deal with that!

Pierre

Bob
“Pierre, conceding free kicks is ok, not sprinting to close down opposition players is inexcusable!”

You don’t quite get it do you Bob.
If Eddie sprints forward trying to close down the opposition then he will be bypassed as the rest of the side were sitting deep , so we would effectively be playing with one man short similar to when Odegaard was on the pitch as he took your advice and was sprinting trying to close down the keeper and was easily bypassed leaving our inside right channel woefhlly short of cover .

Pierre

Sal
Have a read and you will see that I haven’t an Eddie agenda, Eddie was on for ten monutes or so and gets slaughtered.

Jesus contributions for both goals was superb because he is more than capable of such individual brilliance .

TheBlaster

God I HATE it when we play like the last twenty and invite them to play around our box. Nice goals but FFS

raptora

Stunning that Ramos played in that unforgettable day when Henry dribbled past the whole Real M team to score the winner. Fella must be eternal.

Bob N16

Oh fuck off Pierre, you couldn’t come across more patronising if you tried. ‘You don’t quite get it’. What a tosser! If you’re a sub coming on with 15; minutes to go you should work your arse off. You put pressure on, you don’t run at 80%. Eddie was unimpressive and no mental gymnastics will change that.

Personally his cameo was irrevelant, that’s as generous as you can be. I’d much rather dwell on those players who were excellent.

salparadisenyc

Pierre

Their absolute certainties on LG, two of which are your Eddie and anti Ødegaard agenda, thats beyond argument.

Emiratesstroller

Martinelli and Jesus both had excellent games. However, Saka and Odegaard have been sub par as was
case in previous game.

Pierre

Bob
“. I’d much rather dwell on those players who were excellent.”.

In that case why did you comment no more than 10 minutes ago “, conceding free kicks is ok, not sprinting to close down opposition players is inexcusable”.

Maybe you should try and practice what you preach.

Goonerboy

Saka and especially Odegaarde look like they need a rest. One sided refereeing as per usual. Defended well apart their goal .Rice was brilliant again.Need more drive in midfield. Can’t understand why ESR is not getting on. Hard fought win.

G8

Is it the first UCL win for an English club in Span since 2006 when we also beat Madrid?

G8

Spain**

Bob N16

22.03 you arse!

raptora

Bob and Pierre fighting. Stroller is the 3rd guy.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6g4jti

Pierre

Sal
Yes I think Odegaard is very over rated and i’m being proved right on a weekly basis , i think his 15 goals last season was an anomaly that sometimes happens, I also think that creatively he is over rated .
as for Eddie , he’s nothing special, never said he was …never, I just think to slaughter him for 10 minutes of football when the team were hanging on is unfair..

Pierre

Raya , who I like, has been fortunate in that his few errors haven’t cost us.
Unfortunately there is a bit of a witch hunt from the media and some of the fans.

His handling has been very good , kicking and decision making when to pass short has been suspect, his long kicking I like.

His punch tonight was nearly catastrophic but he got away with it but generally when he catches a cross or a shot he is very secure.

Emiratesstroller

raptora

I don’t know what you meant that I am third guy.

I am not fighting anyone..

My only observation regarding this game is that Martinelli and Jesus played well and Saka and
Odegaard were subpar.

Is that controversial?

englandsbest

Saka and Odegaard have lost their mojo. Both big match wiinners. In one sense it was bound to happen, even tne very best players have bad patches. In another sense, is it down to Arteta tinkering?

allezkev

It’s all a learning process and everyone goes through it, anyway we go to the next game in control of the group and two on the trot at home to clinch it.

Not sure why Jorginho gets so much flak as he had a good game to me but I guess it’s all about your likes and dislikes.

Jesus was the difference up front, Rice was just the difference.

MidWest, lay off Benny, he’s doing just fine amigo.

raptora

Nah, ES. Was more of a joke cause you strike me as a peacemaker kind of guy.

I agree with your take on the game.

raptora

I mentioned the other day that Odegaard is maybe missing Partey’s passes between the lines and Odegaard being a superb pockets player… and that’s about it. If he’s not getting the ball where he needs (between the lines), or set up for a long shot, he’s largely anonymous. That’s the difference between Rice and Partey. Partey still has by far the superior passing, he’s elegant and very often makes the perfect choice on how to transition the ball forward. Rice is superior in almost everything else though – dynamics, engine, defending, helping in offence, pressing the opponent, leadership qualities etc… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

The reality is that Arsenal are not playing particularly well. If you take out Martinelli’s goal in extra
time we were bang average in first half.

We are reverting to too much square passing between goalkeeper and defenders and slow outlet to
our attack.

The midfield apart from Rice is not performing and controlling game as we did last season. That is
obvious..

Markymark

Oh boy there’s a witch hunt from me alright! Is anybody on this forum in all seriousness still pushing that the two keepers are so close , it’s so difficult to tell, David is such a good shot stopper , ooh you should see his distribution and his little doe eyes when Arteta whispers sweet nothings in his ear 👂

Jesus H he’s obviously finding every Arsenal match like a World Cup final compared to little dear old Brentford. He’s not a big game player . Sack Raya and sack the useless Cana

David Smith

 Why do we keep letting Partey go away on international duty before he has recovered?
He hardly plays these days , real problem, as are injuries in general when it comes to key players

raptora

My comparison on Partey and Rice is more complex than this obviously. At his best, Partey is unplayable. But he’s injured so often, we’re so lucky to have Rice.

It’s not too dissimilar to how I feel about Jesus. I’d like to have him here but if he’s going to be injured every other game, might as well get a top class CF in his place and have Gab fill in the gaps in attack.

allezkev

Partey is under contract until the end of next season but given his injury record a new deal for him has to be questionable?

It’s a great shame as he’s so good when he is fit but being fit continues to be an issue for him.

Luteo Guenreira

Partey is a prime candidate to be part of the Saudi sweepstakes version 2.0. 40m or bust.

MidwestGun

Kev – You know I love me some Benny B. Just worried the hair dye has cracked his mojo.. haha He is one of the first names on the team sheet though in a must win game, for sure.

Rich

Saka has 11 goal contributions in 12 starts this season… If this is a slump, the rest of the league wants to hope he doesn’t start getting going.

* Unbeaten with 21/27 points in the league.
* Beat City at Wembley to win the Community Shield
* 6/9 in the CL, with 2 home games to go.
* Beat Brentford away in the League Cup

Winning away in the CL isn’t easy, City only won 1/6 away in Europe last season…. We’re ticking along nicely.

Markymark

I think during the next match the Arsenal boys and girls should simply chant there’s only one Aaron Ramsdale. If Raya doesn’t like it he can take a walk back to Brentford. If Arteta doesn’t like it so what sometimes he needs to be told. After all whats negative about chanting for one of your own .

Luteo Guenreira

“What some of you don’t get is that Eddie coming on and conceding free kicks against a passing team like sevilla prevents them from having any continuity in their play, especially as they never play the ball long.”

What a lovely skill to add to the CV for Eddie. “Great at giving away free kicks during the last 10 minutes of tense matches.” No wonder you’ve loved him for so long, Pierre.

salparadisenyc

Pierre No problem if your hot take is Ødegaard is over rated, few others on this site would agree i’m not one of them. Sorry the “anomaly” argument is just weak to equate that to Ødegaard’s goal tally and performance’s last season. Thats cloaking it in your agenda. My take, Ødegaard is in wretched form but the quality isn’t in doubt. Agreed he’s playing too far for forward, is that formational from Arteta? The midfield as a whole hasn’t clicked yet and with that Arteta is clearly experimenting. Opposing 8s of Havertz and now Rice and Jorginho pinning the mid… Read more »

allezkev

MidWest, fair enough but I was kinda leaning towards a blond rinse for myself, you know, a change is as good as a rest… 😉

Emiratesstroller

Rich

Saka is a brilliant footballer and yes he has produced some assists this season.

However, his overall game is not matching his performance level last season. He is overplayed and
clearly struggling with injuries.

raptora

Marky, yeah let’s turn against one of our players. Why? Cause fans like the English guy that taunts the opposition crowds more? Give me a break. Let’s wait and see how this unfolds. If Arteta has picked Raya and we suffer for it, he’ll suffer the consequences. This is the keeper he wanted 3 or 4 years ago before Rams was signed. This signing is the result of a long time admiration towards Raya. Yes, not every transfer is guaranteed to work, but still, singing songs for another player is obviously demonstrating support in favour of the other player involved… Read more »

WengerEagle

Did anyone catch my Le Grove banner on the telly? Was waving it loud and proud in the Sevilla end in front of some confused and bemused Sevillanos. I’m all seriousness the place was rocking, I don’t know if the TV captured that but in the stadium it was a wild atmosphere. Absolutely dreadful 1st half of football if we’re honest but it was all forgiven with that glorious bit of magic by Jesus to trap, spin out of traffic and slip Marti clean through who showed the composure of a seasoned vet to walk it around the keeper. The… Read more »

rollen

Arteta loves Odegard. He is very good no doubt, just poor form and shitty partner in Jorgi.
We still play good or bad as a team and this only comes from manager.

raptora

Big ups my man WE! I’m so happy for you and for our win tonight!
Sevilla have insane support.
Another win for the Arsenal!

And your boys Marti and Jesus had top performances!

Luteo Guenreira

Alas Eagle I did not see the LeGrove banner. Wish I knew to look for it, my guess is the camera never caught it because if they did I’m sure at least one of us watching would have seen it and it would have definitely been mentioned.

Hope you enjoyed the game and glad we pulled it out, was the team looking as nervy as they did on TV in the last 20 minutes?

raptora

Was just saying that Sergio Ramos played that night Henry ran them ragged and scored that unbelievable goal when we became the first English team to beat Real Madrid at the Bernabeu.

Ramos with a good shout of being considered the best CB in the 21st century. He’s won absolutely everything and was a main part of the success of his teams as well.

Luteo Guenreira

And what a fucking goal to be able to watch live, that Jesus turn and pass to Martinelli who finishes it about as cleanly as you can. I’d have been screaming nonstop from the moment Jesus started the move all the way through to Marti’s finish.

WengerEagle

Raptora Thanks dude, it was a brilliant night and I even got talking to some Gooners after it for a little while (although they were asking if I was selling any gear, I have the look for it I guess 😂). Sound bunch though, we were all still pretty high off of that 1st Gabby to Gabby goal. No class As were necessary on top of the pure unadulterated joy of watching us close out the win! Sevilla supporters are very rowdy and passionate, yes. They were going mental when they pulled back a goal after being almost comatose after… Read more »

salparadisenyc

LG’s own WE coming in studs up with a great post match.

LOVE it.

What a night to be in attendance, two absolutely cracking goals. I’m putting out a hit on the camera crew for not giving the LG banner a s l o w zoom in.

Please tell me the Spanish ladies were all screaming Jesus name by the end of that JEEEESSSSUUUUSSS mi amore. With you on some local libations.

Dissenter

WE
I was looking out for you in that crowd
Then I realised that you may have been dressed up to avoid looking like a gooner

raptora

sal, mi amore is Italian. Dude… dude..

WengerEagle

Luteo Was messing about the banner, I felt the Arsenal shirt on its own amongst the white Sevilla sea was enough not to be subject to projectiles and possibly getting my head kicked in when we were slapping them around as I anticipated we would, next time for the banner! Not as nervy live, no. Barring the very last 5 mins in stoppage time when we did let the nerves take over and Sevilla were all over us. Their FBs (including a 50 year old Navas) were whipping in some beautiful crosses and Mariano was actually surprisingly a bit of… Read more »

salparadisenyc

Oh Raptora its the same in Espanol dude…… dude the language of love is universal… maybe drop an e.