WEDNESDAY ROUND-UP

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We’re hurtling towards the return of Arsenal, and I can’t wait.

Chelsea away.

Sevilla away.

Sheffield United at home.

Those are three great games that bleed into the darkest of Arsenal months… November. Remember those months under Wenger? Always torrid for no reason. Red cards, injuries, SHOCKING results. Hopefully, this is a season we move well and truly beyond crap traditions.

First up…

Chelsea has been in a severe state of uncertainty for quite a while now. They spent 1 billion on a ‘trust the process’ squad and we’re still not sure who is going to work for them. One thing is clear, they do have a lot of talent, so they are NOT to be underestimated. But I think it’s fair to say if we show up, we’ll likely be a little too much for them.

Sevilla away in the Europa Champions League shouldn’t be a consequential game… but we tanked against RC Lens in our second game. A win isn’t imperative, but it would make everyone feel a little less queasy about qualifying. You simply cannot finish outside the top 1 in a Europa League group that somehow managed to make it into the Champions League. It’s quite weird to me that Arteta doesn’t seem to do too well in Europe; he’s a bit like early Wenger in that respect. But, he is only a youngster; plenty of time to learn.

Sheffield United will be an interesting game. I don’t want to say it, you don’t want me to say it, but god damn it I’m gonna say it: We need this game to pump out goal difference.

I am a disgrace, and I know I’ve disrespected the game – but I mean it. Can’t be scraping a 1-1 to a team that took a beastly pasting by Newcastle.

Phase three of the season is a weird chunk – it’s 4 Premier League games and 3 Cup games. 9 points would be ideal. 10 would be great. 12 would set us up a DREAM for the toughest run of the season: The Phase 4 Christmas run.

The big conundrum we have is the League Cup. What to do? We play West Ham. The competition has very little value in 2023, but this season, it does offer a way for our young and fringe players to get valuable minutes they might not get in the Champions League. West Ham are also in Europe, so it’s not a given they’ll go all out in this one… the question is whether Arteta will want to do a Jose Mourinho and get the League Cup win in nice and early.

The last time we won the league cup it was called the Coca Cola Cup – an outrageously elite name. That was one of my first cup finals. My dad took me to see that AND WWF in the same weekend. Sadly, that was the moment I found out the fighting wasn’t real. Sad times. But we won a cup and that made me happy. Wenger never won it. Emery didn’t do well in it. It’s time we defeated the cup.

I’m putting my chips in… this could be our first trophy of the season. Maybe, just maybe, I’ll know what a Carabou is by the end of the season.

Finally, before I go. It’s been wild to watch the growth of the women’s game. The attendances at The Emirates have been outrageous. Arsenal has been trailblazers on this front, they deserve so much credit for pumping ticket promotions and getting fans into the stadium. Obviously, the product has been so good for so many years, and that’s a huge help. What has been a good/bad thing… the popularity of the Women’s Arsenal has grown to the point where it’s adopted the toxicity of the men’s game. I couldn’t believe the rhetoric this week when Arsenal went down to Aston Villa. It was a bit embarrassing but utterly hilarious when Arsenal turned it around and people had to start deleting tweets. It’s a bit sad that a sign of success is when people like the work soooooo much they add poison to the system, but here we are. Congrats to the team for the win.

One business aspect of the Women’s game I find interesting is the relative youthfulness of the crowds that show up. The football is good, the tickets are cheap, it’s an opportunity for parents in a cash-strapped society to give their offspring a nice day out at a great stadium for less money. In the long term, the Women’s game getting kids into their games will be a boon. Those kids will go when they are adults, they’ll watch the games on TV, by the Women’s merch, and eventually take their own kids. I’m not sure the Premier League for Men is doing anywhere near the job with young people. Average age of a season ticket holder is 43; it’s unaffordable to get kids into the ground, longterm, that’s a problem. A whole generation of kids that love football and DON’T go. That’s why getting a bigger supporter section should be imperative. If young people don’t get the live sports bug, they’ll not attend when they are 45 and can afford it. One to watch.

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Nigel Tufnel

We drew because Partey didn’t play? News to me. I thought it was a handball and a fluke goal. How did I get that wrong? But what good is life if you can’t blame Arteta for everything….. Even if he started a stronger line-up than the one that beat Man City. I didn’t love the Eddie sub, but it would have been nice if any of our star players had actually won a duel or a loose ball in the first 45. I’m sure Arteta told them not to take Chelsea seriously in the team talk, and that explains the… Read more »

MG42

On Friday the ESPN-FC pundits said Chelsea would press until the GK would make a mistake because he has it in him and sure enough he did. Fortunately it didn’t result in a goal, but if the pundits could figure this out it tells you all you need to know about Arsenal’s manager in training who is bereft of talent spotting and setting up strongest and a game winning starting XI. Havertz and Raya make this Arsenal team weaker, end of story. K. Gibbs said Partey needs to get back into the starting XI and Ramsdale should start in the… Read more »

Marko

Sal I’m going to be honest I don’t like Partey and Rice together because one Rice isn’t an 8 and two and perhaps most importantly Rice has been at his absolute best for us at 6. I don’t know why we’d want to fuck that up. Take today for example moving Rice to 8 to fit in Jorginho was awful today and then he moved back and he was much better

Rich

Partey’s availability needs to be seen as an excellent bonus, rather than anything we bank on. Agreed it was right not to risk him today… But he only played 45 minutes last Sunday, and 64 minutes in the early hours of Wednesday. He was in training yesterday, He’s clearly banjaxed, and we’re holding him together with superglue… He’s like a really valuable, but ridiculously fragile antique. No doubt he’ll come back, play well… The usually idiots will state the bleeding obvious that he’s an excellent midfielder…. Then he’ll inevitably breakdown again…. Then we’ll perpetually repeat that cycle until 2025. The… Read more »

allezkev

Seville drew with Real Madrid yesterday and most certainly won’t be a pushover on their own patch, don’t be under any illusions about how difficult that game will be in Spain. No point risking Partey on a near waterlogged pitch, we’ll need him on Tuesday.

salparadisenyc

Nigel Grab a paper bag and breath, we’re simply discussing the missing factors of our performance (many) and what our likely best mid is, Partey is in it imo our control is so much less without him. Nobody is taking pot shots at Arteta. Whose guilty of attempting perfection in the goal keeper position, the problem is he paid for that today by giving up size for a ball playing keeper. Ramsdale saves that cross, he touches that over that bar all day long it’s not hard to see. Thats football go to live with the decisions made. Marko There… Read more »

Karsa

Partey is made of chocolate and ESR eats too much chocolate.

Sad facts Sid can take to his bank.

allezkev

Surprised to see Smith Rowe brought on instead of Vieira but pleased all the same, maybe Vieira will have a role also on Tuesday?

salparadisenyc

No question Sevilla will be revved right up for that one.
Already have visions of Conan Ramos coming in two footed on Saka.

Mikel Coneteta

I know it rubs a few up the wrong way, but there’s two glaringly obvious “aren’t doing it” players we could get good money for given their circumstances: Eddie and ESR. The former is an obvious below par talent, whereas the latter to me just seems a gifted player that flatters to deceive far too frequently and lacks the minerals to make it at the level we aspire to be. Looks all the world like a lad who is semi-serious about his training and lives off his talent/hype. Our own Jason Sancho if you like. It’s fine margins at the… Read more »

allezkev

Ramos the walking red card, need a strong referee for that one as well.

Rich

Thomas Partey is like a Gremlin.

He comes with instructions.

1. Don’t make him run or chase the ball.
2. Don’t play him in the rain, or on wet pitches.
3. Don’t play him more than once a week, and ideally get him off after 60-70 minutes.

TheLegendaryDB10

No question Sevilla will be revved right up for that one. (Sal)

Fuck. This means we’re in for one of a helluva tough game on Tuesday.

Considering that getting out of our group is a must, having a fully fit Partey now sounds like an absolute must as Sevilla will now be doubly be motivated to win this game.

salparadisenyc

Coneteda,

The harsh realities of living in the rarified air of the business end of the table, sometimes you have to kill your darlings.

ESR may just have to make way, have to feel for the TR7’s of LG if thats the case. Absolute carnage.

Mikel Coneteta

Sal

That’s it in a nutshell. Can’t exist at the top table without losing talents you like or, you know, are genuinely talented…

City have a slew of cast-offs that are anything but, Chelsea did when they were competing. Arsenal will need to bin some really good players make a move for that final few percent. It’s the biz.

Meltdowns galore on here when one of the darlings finally gets sent packing. ESR even money imo. The blogwaves will be mega, some people still actually use Willock against Arteta.

salparadisenyc

And for the record that was a stone cold Pen on Jesus when Sanchez looked a like a primed bull running streets of Pamplona only seeing red.

Rich

If Arsenal get a decent offer for ESR, then he’ll be gone. He’s 24 next summer.. If his playing time at Arsenal doesn’t significantly improve soon, he’ll need to leave for the sake of his own career, and Arsenal will need to cash in before we tank his value any further. Difficult to get onboard the Toney train, after spending big on Havertz, seems kinda pointless, My preference for a player in January if we could carve open the space, would either be a versatile right sided defender… I’d take Chalobah on loan until Timber comes back next summer. Or… Read more »

Marko

I like Neto but what’s the point when Saka stays on no matter how bad he is or how dead on his feet he is.

salparadisenyc

“Some people still actually use Willock against Arteta.”

Some people…? LOL

Nigel Tufnel

Sal,
I don’t think my comment sounded anything overly harsh or breathless like most of the reactionaries here.

It was simple, light,, and sarcastic, as they deserve. I think you know the- Arteta out! Is mocking some clowns who melt down when life happens.

A draw with a handball and a fluke goal away to Chelsea, is not a shocking result.

MidwestGun

It seems obvious to me.. that we just need to get a midfielder in January to replace Xhaka that has actually played as a left sided number 8 box to box midfielder instead of doing all these weird workarounds. Then everything else will fall into place and make sense. The continued Elephant in the room every game is we failed to do that last summer so then people break out all these weird explanations as to why xy and z will work instead. At least it seems obvious to me.. maybe it isn’t I don’t know. ESR or Trossard is… Read more »

Mikel Coneteta

Rich

Fabrizio Romano said a week ago that we’re following Neto and Douglas Luiz, and have done for a while, we also like Guehi at Palace. Think it’s a badly kept secret we rate Toney as well.

I’m sure there’s some European talents on the radar, but shy of guys like Osimhen or Frenkie it’s hard to think land and be able to deliver from the off. Our PL recruits have been very good the last few years.

Rich

I suspect Arsenal are lining up Patino for that left 8, he’s not there yet, but he’s ridiculously talented. We need him to clock north of 3,000 minutes at Swansea this season, but once he’s developed physically, and gains a base level of experience, his trajectory could be rapid. Elneny + Jorginho are both out of contract, Partey will be into his last 12 months, and can’t be relied upon, and the writing looks like it’s on the wall for ESR at Arsenal. There’s an opening for Patino + 1, and with the current price of top midfielders, we might… Read more »

MG42

MOTD, Shearer said, Arsenal was poor for 77min and Rice’s shot resulting in the goal was Arsenal’s 1st shot on target.

Raya has not saved a penalty since July 2020, so much for Tets choice for our number 1 GK. Here is for hoping on Tuesday. but we will see an hour before KO what galaxy brain storming will be reflected in the starting XI.

Tony2

Gotta say STFU. Peds. I love u. Love this site. For some1 to continually write words day after day takes alot but.. FFS Raya ova Rams? 67 mill mid/forward now benched? IMHO. Rams get his start. Imho Arteta get your shit together. Play TP6. in his pos. Stop this bollix and give us our arsenal back

vieira

I will say it once more, there will not be any fluid arsenal football without Partey in his regular position for now, and unfortunately we have not been able to have some one remotely replicating what he does to replace him when he is not fit.

Gonsterous

I see a lot of players that can be sold before coming to ESR. What does Viera, jorginho and el neny bring to our midfield? Selling ESR makes the least sense because we still have dross left over but now we have to spend 50m+ to get a better player than smith rowe. I did say, at the start of the season when were winning to bed in ESR. But no, arteta did not play him till the last few games. Now fans expect miracles from a player to come on for 20 mins with the least match minutes in… Read more »

raptora

We can say Chavs goals were fortunate and they got a stroke of luck in both of them, something they haven’t had much of this season but today they did. Still, you can’t put the loss of points on luck. We didn’t play well. Simples. If that’s a tragedy? No, it’s not. A point is alright. It’s perfectly normal to have bad days once in a while, especially versus a decent quality team. We have to make sure we limit our mistakes because with an opposition like City, we won’t be allowed to make many slips if we want to… Read more »

raptora

I read something online that sounds interesting on paper. ———-Partey —–Saka ——Rice Jesus Havertz Martinelli I think it’s quite interesting on paper. Partey is an incredible No 6. Rice has already shown that he can develop attacking qualities so at LCM he might add even more weapons to his skillset. Jesus in his best position imo. Havertz in his best position imo. Marti is obvious. Saka will be very offensive in that AM position, basically playing behind Havertz, going for layoffs and sometimes attacking the space opened by Havertz. I know the chances of trying this are next to zero,… Read more »

Guns of SF

Rap where is Ode

Nigel Tufnel

Raptora saying exactly what I said about the game. Unfortunate in the way they scored, but also that we were terrible, especially in the 1st half where we didn’t compete, it seemed. All the assigning of blame, and all the desired tinkering is reactionary and a waste of time. Consider that was nearly our best possible lineup…. yet so many complaints about it. We just beat City with a weaker team a couple weeks ago. A lot of our players didn’t perform well enough, and maybe partly because we’ve had such easy success against Chelsea recently, that they had trouble… Read more »

MG42

The fucking disgrace that is PGMOL it seems like every weekend they have to apologize for some massive referee fuck up. Watch by Monday Howard Webb apologizing to Everton for the useless Ref not having awarded a second yellow to Pool’s Konate. Absolutely disgraceful those wanjers.

raptora

Guns,
playing versus the slightly weaker teams where we’ll be having more of the ball and he’ll have more chances to shine.

raptora

https://twitter.com/zelLUHG/status/1715669756135539057
Alex Ferguson shares a story about empathy and how there are bigger things than the Football Club. Hate him or love him, he is a monumental figure.

kjelli

I suspect that Partey´s absence play on other players mind ..

Markymark

The Podcast – saying at the moment Raya is not built for the big time , Also mentioning Raya’s size …… Just saying

Siddeeq

Poch is doing a good job. Chelsea are 2nd in the EPL when it comes to touches. 3rd is Liverpool, 4th Arsenal.

Enzo is adapting to the EPL and Caicedo is a talent. Gallagher a workhorse.
They were able to nullify Jesus and Zinch our creators.

Ode in our system is a water carrier.

Siddeeq

I must add, ESR and Trossard was a brilliant move by Generational.

It unbalanced Pochs plan.

Siddeeq

Raya vs Rams is just a debate about who is your favourite. Not much difference between the 2.

Siddeeq

Ben White,
Damaged hair, damaged Arsenal defence

Bob N16

Felt like a win in the end. Bad day at the office ended with some positivity. International breaks can offer precede a performance like that. Footballers are humans not robots.

Agree Sid that the gk debate is too close to call. Ramsdale should play against Sevilla and if he plays well deserves to stay in. I’m not convinced by having two GKs of similar standard.

I’m ‘whispering’ this comment, Odegaard on his last two performances does not deserve to be starting.

Pierre

Vieira “I will say it once more, there will not be any fluid arsenal football without Partey in his regular position for now” Partey’s best position is as a no.6 Rice’s best position is as a no 6 Jorginho’s best position is as a no.6 Elneny’s best position is as a no.6. We don’t know Havertz best position We don’t know Vieira’s best position We don’t know Trossard’s best position We don’t know smith Rowe’s best position. So, if you are saying put Partey in his best position, that will mean Rice (who is undroppable) will play as left side… Read more »

Samesong

Chelsea fans should be embarrassed today. They bottled a game from 2-0 up at home. And couldn’t beat us at our worst.

🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼

WengerEagle

Odegaard should be dropped, if he’s not then you might as well sell Smith-Rowe because Ode can’t play much worse then he has of late.

Creativity from midfield has definitely been an issue this season. We created nothing last week against City and nothing until the 2nd goal yesterday either.

Bob N16

I think Rice could play ls no. 8 no problem. Sits in without the ball, pushing forward with. Partey Rice our best CMs without a doubt.

Freddie Ljungberg

Said it for a long time, we needed someone more creative and mobile than Xhaka to replace him. We wouldn’t have been so reliant on Zinchenko to invert and playmake in the middle leaving us exposed at the back and with Martinelli with little support. Instead we got Havertz for 65m and we still haven’t figured out what he’s good at or which position he makes less harm in. He’s not creative enough for left 8, he doesn’t score nearly enough to be a striker. If we just need someone to work hard and win duels in that left 8… Read more »

Siddeeq

Top top analysis by @Pierre about 2 holding mids and bona fide #10.

Which also brings the question, is Jesus the best CF in a set up with 2 holding mids and a bona fide #10?

Pierre

Weagle
Creativity had been an issue all season , our strikers have taken the brunt of the criticism until now , but it is finally being recognised that we are not creating enough real chances.

I have continually made this point for weeks now

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/big_chance_created?se=578

We are 15th in the league for big chances created

Siddeeq

At Westham Soucek was prefered as #8 over Rice.

Markymark

Ramsdale did have mistakes in him. Most would agree.
Raya though has had a serious mistake in every game he’s played. Subtle difference but a significant difference.
He’s not a big time player just like Richard Wright back in the day.
Arteta may well try and get him to work but little legs could end up derailing us. There are under 15 keepers with bigger presence than this guy

englandsbest

Ramsdale is beneficial in a way Raya is not – he is inspirational.

Siddeeq

Generational is basically using both Ode and Havertz to play the role Xhaka did last season.

Ode is less athletic than Xhaka while Havertz is nowhere near Xhaka at goal scoring.

Markymark

Pierre – mentioned the other day that Raya has a tendency to be too far out. Not sure about that, but if this is the case we have got one of the most diminutive keepers in the Prem giving lobbing opportunities to any opposition player. Some ex coach the other day was claiming he had superb leaping power but I’ve not seen it yet. Others point to Ramsdale’s inability to save a penalty. I’m afraid we’ve replaced him with a guy who’s never saved a premiership penalty still at least he can take whispers in his ear from Arteta so… Read more »

Markymark

Englands best – totally agree

Siddeeq

“”:”ESR doesn’t have the fitness for it,

Vieira has done nothing so far

Trossard never gets to play there””””

Maybe Pedro Neto is the solution for that role?

Pierre

Fred “So do we buy a shiny new striker in January and still have them feeding off scraps” Exactly my point I have been trying to make for weeks now. Haaland has scored 9 and missed 9 big chances ….total 18. Watkins has scored 4 and missed 7 big chances …total 11 Jackson scored 2 and missed 7 big chances . .total 9 Nunez scored 3 and missed 6 big chances …total 9 For perspective Eddie has scored 2 and missed 3 big chances ..total 5.. I doubt if there is a team in the league who’s strikers feed off… Read more »

Matt B

Agree with that MarkyMark — Raya has been poor since he came in and this goalkeeping issue is all of Arteta’s making

And agree with Pierre: can’t see what Odegaard gives us atm. And like WE, think he needs to be dropped — give ESR a proper run — we’d be unstoppable.

Rich

We played a game of chess against City, and restricted them to creating the least amount of chances since Guardiola took the reigns. One of the other 2 times they created as little, was also against Arsenal in the Community Shield in August. A lack of creativity in a game that’s meant to be tight shouldn’t come as a surprise… Both teams sat in a mid-block, both teams offered very little space. The fact we’re restricting City to fine margins outcomes… Is certainly a welcomed development from where we were previously. Ødegaard was poor last night, but he certainly wasn’t… Read more »

Pierre

Markymark “Pierre – mentioned the other day that Raya has a tendency to be too far out” That was my main concern about him and unfortunately yesterday he was beaten from an acute angle because of this.. Of course there are advantages of a keeper playing on the front foot as we have already seen this season as Raya is very positive when coming for crosses and his handling is pretty good from crosses , so i suppose Arteta has to weigh up the pros and cons . Unfortunately there is a bit of a witch hunt in the media… Read more »

G

‘’ be. Looks all the world like a lad who is semi-serious about his training and lives off his talent/hype. Our own Jason Sancho if you like.’’

Lol what a load of shit

local

We were poor yesterday and it won’t be the last time either. The game reinforced my belief in following issues with the squad. – we struggle when teams press relentlessly and in unison(Fulham, Spuds, Lens and now Chavs) – we have some technical players that lose the ball under pressure and are also poor in doing defensive duties(Saka, Ode, Zinch, Tross, Fabio, Jorgi etc.) – some players are only good as impact subs due to varying reasons(ESR, Reiss, Fabio and Tross) – we are too casual/disrespectful when in possession and pass the ball around at leisurely place which has and… Read more »

Rich

Sid Granted Havertz has played the bulk of his football further forward than Xhaka, but I’m flat not buying the argument that Xhaka is a bigger goal threat than Havertz. Xhaka age 31…. 103 career goal contributions for club and country in 50,569 minutes…. Goal contribution every 490 minutes. Havertz age 24…. 152 goal contributions for club + country in 23,549 minutes, goal contribution every 154 minutes. Havertz is clearly a forward…. We can play a forward in that inside left role against weaker opposition, but against better teams it’s not hard to understand why Arteta favours more of a… Read more »

Terraloon

Nigel Consider that was nearly our best possible lineup…. yet so many complaints about it. We just beat City with a weaker team a couple weeks ago. A lot of our players didn’t perform well enough, and maybe partly because we’ve had such easy success against Chelsea recently, that they had trouble getting up for them. Yes that was nearly the best line up but past the 13 or so that almost certainly will start or be bought on there is no where near enough the standard to truly face the challenges that will be faced this season. However it’s… Read more »

G

We didn’t play well but should have had a penalty.. and they score 2 shit goals.. some of you can go on about how shit ode is or Raya or zinchenko or Eddie is, yet despite all these shit players we will be challenging for the title…

psuedo warrior

Odegaard has very little creativity, his favorite pass is the 5 yard layoff to Saka.

Partey and Zinchenko compensate for Odegaard’s lack of vertical passing. Its no surprise our chance creation has fallen off a cliff since both Partey and Zinchenko have been bit part players so far this season.

Siddeeq

“””We played a game of chess against City, and restricted them to creating the least amount of chances since Guardiola took the reigns.”””

Guardiola for some strange reason used Silva as the #6 in a 3 man midfield the other 2 Lewis and Kovacic. Thats the most un athletic midfield we will face.

psuedo warrior

After getting to watch Bergkamp, Fabregas, Cazorla, Ozil et al, it does hurt my eyes a little to watch Odegaard taking on the creative mantle. Even Ramsey had far more creative talent

Rich

Via Elliott on the Arsenal vision podcast before Chelsea: “Arsenal have the most attacking third touches of any team in the league, while our opponents have the second fewest behind City.” Pierre talks down the industry of our forwards…. He’s a relic of the past. He loves forwards that conserve their energy, and to have the technical quality to produce match winning moments. But the entire philosophy of how Arteta wants us to play is attackers who defend, and defenders who attack. He wants us to control the opposition both with and without the ball, as far away from our… Read more »

Vickingz

@Pseudo warrior, which of these was saddled with the responsibility of defending from the front by running around to shore up spaces and prevent opponents from playing out from the back? Y’all can blame Orde for all you like but none of the creative midfielders we have right now can do what he does. You want ESR or Viera to defend from the front? With what energy and legs? If Orde isn’t doing it, who else does it? No one. Gab Jesus doesn’t have the energy to, neither does saka. The only person that tries is Nketiah and we know… Read more »

Vickingz

@Rich, you get!!!!!!!!

Bob N16

‘Ode is less athletic than Xhaka’ no way can I accept that statement. I’d try Zinchenko in the left 8 position. TT is a shoe in anywhere across the back 4, Kiwior could also play LB. Vieira, Trossard, ESR or Havertz could all be considered for the attacking midfield role while Odegaard gets his mojo back. I still think Partey and Rice would compliment each other in CM, both have the ability to progress the ball, pass through the lines and able to carry the ball. . The last 20 minutes or so of yesterday’s game gives me great confidence… Read more »

andy1886

I’m not surprised that we have the most passes in the attacking third because once we get there we don’t seem to know what to do other than keep recycling the ball endlessly. When we’re in that mode we rarely create anything, we just give the opposition all the time in the world to get set and wait for us to either lose the ball or pass it all the way back into our own half again.

Siddeeq

Xhaka is stronger than Ode in any physical duel and most likely mental duel.
Its a tie when it comes to mobility

Siddeeq

Poch outsmarted Arteta by keeping Chelsea possesion on the flanks. He avoided

“”Where we can win the ball back in dangerous areas, and create direct goal scoring opportunities.””

Siddeeq

@Rich, get us attacking 3rd touches for the Chelsea game?

TR7

“. Looks all the world like a lad who is semi-serious about his training and lives off his talent/hype. Our own Jason Sancho if you like.’”

Mikel Conteta aka Champagne Charlie “creates” narrative about players who are good but not favored by Arteta. He repeatedly told us Emi was not ready to fight for his place and wanted an assurance of being no 1 even though there’s nothing in public domain corrborating his story.

Now it’s the turn of ESR. ” semi-serious” Wow !!!!

TR7

I don’t know whether it’s doable but would like to see Martinelli play as a CF and Trosaard on the left wing.

Jesus a good player but he doesn’t give us what we need from our striker.

raptora

andy: “I’m not surprised that we have the most passes in the attacking third because once we get there we don’t seem to know what to do other than keep recycling the ball endlessly.” Well said and exactly what I was thinking. I think Rich posted that with the intention of showing how we are not having problems offensively but it could actually mean the exact opposite thing. And it does. We are not direct. It’s a mix between teams sitting deep against us but also us slowing the tempo purposely to cause the exact scenario where we are passing… Read more »

Rich

Andy We’re joint top, finished second last season, scoring the most goals we’ve ever scored in a 38 games season, and we’ve seen big progress. Breaking down deep blocks, or getting the ball through the lines against a mid-press, isn’t easy… Patience is often required. The issues we’re facing this season, are different to what we were facing last season, because most teams are reluctant to press us high up the pitch. The opposition tend not to press high if they know you can play through them, but they do tend to press high if either they have to gamble… Read more »

raptora

Saying that we have problems creating clear chances (facts) is bedwetting I guess. I bet the first person worried about it is Arteta and we’re here contemplating what we can do to solve the issue and we’re branded bedwetters. Pretty sure Arteta would be our Captain Bedwetter if he was a LeGrove poster because I’m convinced he’s having sleepless nights in trying to figure out how to make this team more dangerous in attack.

WengerEagle

Something hasn’t been quite right this season in terms of our attacking play clicking. We’ve been more resolute defensively which is a positive but it’s come at the expense of our offensive game. In the bigger games so far vs Utd, Spurs, City and Chelsea if we are being honest we haven’t created nearly enough. Against Utd we looked doomed to dropping 2 points until Rice stepped up very late in stoppage time with a deflected strike. Against Spurs we needed a fortuitous own goal and a penalty to get on the score sheet as opposed to their two open… Read more »

Bob N16

TR7 , I’d also consider Nelson on the left with Martinelli as CF when Jesus or Saka is unavailable or need a rest.

I’d assume there won’t be too much rotation on Tuesday, that might happen on Saturday’s game against a poor Sheffield United team.

I’d put Partey in instead of Jorginho, consider TT at LB and ‘rest’ Odegaard, although that last change seems unlikely to be favoured by Arteta. .

Bob N16

WengerA, agree but I’d just say against a weak Bournemouth, we played well.

Rich

Rap My argument about controlling the game in the right areas, is it prove that having the ball high up the pitch, and giving away the second least XG in the league…. Is as much about defence, as it is about attack. We might not be quite at our fluent best… But while having the ball in the oppositions half is seen as an offensive trait.. Having listened to Arteta + Guardiola talking about defending, and restricting opposition chances… I’m certain that they see things very differently Listening to Klopp talk about creating chances, and how he believes the best… Read more »

WengerEagle

We did play well against Bournemouth, agreed. But the reliance on slices of fortune is a little concerning for me as luck always runs out. We got very lucky on that Emery unbeaten run too.

We just haven’t looked nearly as convincing going forward as last season for me. Barring the City game, all of those other corresponding fixtures last season we battered Chelsea, Utd and Spurs in general play.

TR7

Yes as a team we have regressed this season but Declan Rice has single handedly ensured that in the league table there is no reflection of our regression.

Dissenter

‘ Ramsdale I doubt will regain his place as it looks like Arteta has made his decision about needing a new keeper , whether that will be raya or not time will tell.’

Which is why you wonder why they doubled Ramsdale’s wages with fanfare last summer
Something’s not right in that back room

Un

Can’t believe the state of some of you having a pop at Odegaard
He was our player of the year last season and now he’s just a 5 yard passer with no verticality?

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Kd9M-YaAi3w

You don’t get any more vertical than this

TR7

Thomas Partey is a master of setting the tempo right especially with his quality passing from deep position. He is so good with receiving the ball from our back line and effortlessly channeling it forward. His injury problem is costing us.

A midfield of Partey and Rice would mean our CAM doesn’t have to run around like a mad man all over the pitch and focus on being creative.

WengerEagle

Odegaard is our most advanced midfielder and he has 1 G/A from open play in 9 games so people have the right to question his form and his seemingly unimpeachable place in the XI.

WengerEagle

He’s in poor form Un and no player should be above criticism, should they?

Dissenter

Odegaard is the captain
The criticisms should start with him , he was absent and abysmal
He just disappeared once the going got tough.

TR7

“He just disappeared once the going got tough”

It always was the case with him and probably always will be.

Dissenter

Arteta is part of the chaos that’s somewhat diminished our performances
From not starting his best central defense at the beginning of the season, playing Partey at right back and then setting up this Ramsdale-Raya side show.
He stumbled unto a winning strategy last season but has overcomplicated it this season.

He’s talked about making us more unpredictable and he sure has achieved that

Mikel Coneteta

“He repeatedly told us Emi was not ready to fight for his place and wanted an assurance of being no 1 even though there’s nothing in public domain corrborating his story.“ https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenal-transfer-news-emiliano-martinez-text-b1720168.html Nothing in the public domain except several reports and literal quotes from Emi Martinez following a sit down interview. But he never sat and told you personally, so it didn’t happen yeah? “Now it’s the turn of ESR. ” semi-serious” Wow !!!!“ https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/09/emile-smith-rowe-arsenal-england-call-up-interview You’ll have to excuse me for not thinking ESR has suddenly become the consummate professional. Habits at 20/21 don’t miraculously disappear at 22/23, if you… Read more »

Markymark

Even though there is a crazed religious crank on here who calls me racist – I pointed out Arsenal would be concerned over the PR of an all white photo. Some on here said it didn’t matter , I said it would

Arsenal break silence over all-white squad team photo after race row as they accept their women’s team ‘does not reflect the diversity that exists across the club’

Foxy

There has to be more about defending from the front than just having Odegaard joining our no 9 in chasing down the goalie or other man on the ball. You also need players strong in the air and tackle who can win 50,/50 balls in the final third and then create which is where KDB is so good and why City are not the same team without him. This is where the likes of Ode and Vierra are weak and so called disappear in tough games and we miss Xhaka.

Rich

Foxy I’d love a Suarez style centre forward… But unfortunately cloning the best centre forward of a generation, then securing him at Arsenal, is unlikely.. So I’m prepared to accept that there’s a strong possibility that I have to adjust my aspirations to reality. KDB is arguably the best attacking midfielder in PL history, unless we can get another one of those… Then we might have to adapt to the next best thing, or do things a bit differently. Controlling the opposition without the ball, is about collective positioning, creating angles, directing the play, and applying pressure quickly + aggressively.… Read more »

Mikel Coneteta

We don’t miss Xhaka ffs. He was a good player but my god he was an obvious square peg.

Yesterday was the first time our best front 3 have started a game in the league this season. It came after an interlull, in horrid conditions, and against a Chelsea team with their tails up. They struggled. But they won’t continue to struggle.

We’ve changed some significant roles in midfield, and have had Nketiah leading the line most of the season. There was always going to be some unpolished play in front of goal.