ARTETA SLAYS THE BEAST OF MANCHESTER

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Mikel Arteta finally resolved his psychological issues with Pep Guardiola, putting City’s treble winners to the sword in an afternoon of extraordinarily high-level football – the likes usually reserved for a Champions League semi-final.

Arsenal nicked the game 1-0 – all four of Mikel’s subs combining for the winner. Thomas Partey found the run of Tomiyasu – the man from Japan felt bold enough to run at goal from central midfield – he nodded the ball to Kai Havertz who used his body to shield Ake’s incoming challenge, the big German then prodded the ball to Gabi Martinelli who struck first time and scored off the head of the Ake. A wondrous moment.

Make no mistake, this was an outstanding result and one of the best performances of Mikel Arteta’s career. He slayed the City monster without Bukayo Saka or Gabriel Martinelli. He went with an unorthodox starting 11 that most people were whinging about in their group chats.

Jorginho?

Eddie?

No Partey?

No Martinelli?

This was a side that had four or five players that had been in 3rd gear all season – the idea they’d all come good and deliver a perfect game was outrageous.

Well, after 5 minutes, we nearly let them in with some disgusting defending. Raya was off the beat, Rice was lost next to Jorginho, no one looked like they believed they could execute the game plan.

But there was a game plan and it seemed to revolve around slowing things down – we were methodical. Slow. We made City come for us. This was a more mature Arsenal plan. It didn’t look good at times, our keeper was all over the place, some commented that his performance looked a bit like Petr Cech’s when he was asked to play with the ball at his feet and nearly scored an own goal. He couldn’t find people long or short. There was an altercation with Gabriel at one point after a very hairy moment.

The good news is the problems we were having weren’t because of a lack of bravery, it was a lack of belief. Things just weren’t clicking. The first half felt like two world-class heavy-weight superstars feeling each other out.

Kovacic wasn’t just feeling us out – he was trying to break ankles. He managed to dodge a red card after a nasty tackle, then moments later, he somehow evaded a second yellow for a very second yellow kind of offense. I don’t want to drone on here – by PGMOL mistakes seem to be getting normalized at this point. Like they’re part of the entertainment. Howard Webb should be called the CAO (Chief Apology Officer) because he doesn’t seem to do much beyond beg for forgiveness.

Lucky for us, we didn’t need an apology, just the three points.

The second half saw an uptick in intent and purpose. Arsenal moved things up a gear, we were more aggressive, Declan Rice moved into a more advanced position, and we took the handbrake off.

Arsenal looked like the dominant force. City didn’t really have answers. They resorted to sideways passing. They went into their shell. Big names didn’t step up.

Our players did. David Raya upped the level – he went from looking like a Brentford back-up keeper to the next-level vision of what that position could mean for us. He pinged a low crossfield ball to Gabriel Jesus into feet that was immaculate. His swagger moved everyone up a level.

Arteta rolled the dice, he brought on a set of players that represented the starting 11 we wanted to see. I’ve been through the goal, but I haven’t stated how good all the subs where. Thomas Partey reminded us all that he’s still a king in the world of 6s. Martinelli played like he’s been fit for 6 weeks. Tomi and Kai added control and aggression to a game that needed it.

We saw out the win, our first in the league since Pep moved over from Bayern, it was a beautiful, beautiful moment.

Before I get into some spicy takes – I thought the crowd brought the fire in the second half. They were loud, they met moment, and they showed that last season was no fluke. It was absolutely brilliant to hear!

The big star of the game for me was Mikel Arteta. He showed so much restraint to keep unfit players on the bench. These were things he wasn’t capable of last season and they cost him. It was so amusing to read all the fake ITKs try and best each other pregame with SAKA IS GOING TO START only to be felled by the sword of Arteta’s fake news. Saka didn’t train at all last week, he was never in contention for England, but the club let the story run.

It wasn’t perfection – Trossard had to roll off because of a hamstring problem – then Arteta played Martinelli who was not signed off by the medics. This sort of thing is funny when you win, but ideally, you don’t want to roll the dice on big players 8 games in. Still, a worry for another day. He has 2 weeks off along with Saliba, Trossard, and Saka. One side note worth mentioning – where are all the Reiss fanboys right now? I thought he was back-up for at least one player in our squad? Seems he’s not for Saka or Martinelli. Again I ask… why sign?

Declan Rice was double saucy again. He has adapted to our system at breakneck speed. His power is frightening because he combines it with speed. He was everywhere. I love his slide tackle block to run move he has, he did it twice, it’s definitely a thing. His presence in that midfield gives everyone so much security. He really does make the game seem so simple.

David Raya has had a rickety start to his time at Arsenal – but one thing is clear, Arteta loves him, and he’s our number 1 even with bad 45s in him. His first half was poor by any standard, amongst the worst we’ve seen over the last 5 years. Second half though, oh my, so much to love. He’s basically a third centre-back that has long ball-homing missile capabilities. Arteta was pretty brutal about what he liked after the game.

‘The height that he played. He’s got big ones. When the crowd go like this, other players, they start to kick balls everywhere. I said, make sure you don’t do that. He didn’t do it, and at the end he was rewarded’

He also celebrated his control of the box and his bravery when claiming the ball. It’s curtains for Aaron, he’ll be gone in January, bar a miracle.

Another side note – the ‘I WISH TO SUB KEEPERS’ comment was a comfort blanket for Aaron Ramsdale and tacticos who believe everything Mikel says these days. He’s not playing that game in a position that doesn’t need it.

Let’s talk about our defensive display and sum it up with three statistics:

Manchester City:

4 attempted shots

1 shot on target

Erling Haaland xG – 0.00

A relative told me before the game he didn’t believe in statistics – and I get it now, because I CANNOT believe we did that to the treble winners.

It is unspeakable how good those numbers are. Has Pep G ever been reduced to such a meek attacking output in his entire career? I have my doubts.

That requires the whole team to focus. But the key men for me were Gabriel, Rice, Saliba and our fullbacks. They were unreal all game. Saliba and Gabriel are wrecking ball defenders in ballerina outfits. A very progressive image, no doubt, but exactly what we’ve needed for years. They live for cleansheets and they want to entertain while they do it. That said, we’ve been BAD at home. Not yesterday. They set a new benchmark for concentration and control. Arteta needs to bottle that so we can see it more often as the season progresses.

So, to sum up – that was a very high-level game where there were basically three mistakes and one was punished. Arsenal showed they can mix it with the best in the world. They set a new standard. They slayed the boogie monster that’s been hiding under the bed for 12 City league games in a row. Arsenal offered up a world-class performance. We need to see more of those. But the fact we’re doing things like that so early in the season tells you all you need to know about where this project is going.

City is still the gold standard – we have a long way to go – but now we all know that we can achieve at the levels we want to.

Statement win, world-class performance, a message to every team in he world – this new Arsenal is coming for your prizes.

Enjoy the next two weeks – and get DEEP into the mixer with our latest podcast.

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GD4

Really strange Pep left KP and Grealish on the bench,
And went for Doku as a sub, and Bernardo Silva at the six.
Whatever he was thinking, long may it continue as well as results like this ..

LoveSausage

Raya almost cost us yesterday and it’s fair enough to criticise that. But I don’t understand how anyone can seriously argue that Ramsdale should play over him. You can see that Arteta is instructing him to do the kind of high-risk stuff he’d never ask of Ramsdale. If Ramsdale wasn’t English, no one would seriously claim he’s anywhere close to being a top GK. Two seasons ago, he was a very promising keeper but he hasn’t lived up to that promise fully. He’s good but hardly great. My guess is that United or Newcastle will pick him up in January… Read more »

bacaryisgod

Spanner Here’s why I originally liked Michael Oliver. We were at Old Trafford and the United fans were baying for blood with RVP in their line-up. We lost the game but Oliver ignored all the screaming for yellows and reds coming from the fans. Then again in 2015 when we beat them 2-1 at Old Trafford in the F.A Cup, Oliver wasn’t intimidated by the home support and players again .Welbeck got the winner and Oliver sent off Di Maria and gave out 5 other yellows to United players vs 2 to Arsenal players. Maybe, and it’s only a working… Read more »

jwl

Art de Roche at The Athletic has done great analysis on Rice impact so far if anyone interested.
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Declan Rice proving pivotal for Arsenal in big ‘moments’ – as he showed against City

“When Granit Xhaka left Arsenal for Bayer Leverkusen this summer, he took with him more than just late runs into the box and screamers from outside of it. The Switzerland captain was admired by all three of his full-time managers (Arsene Wenger, Unai Emery and Mikel Arteta) during his seven years in north London.”

https://archive.ph/3KhAP

Mysticleaves

There’s some form of continental media bias against players in the PL compared sharply to that of the la liga. Case in point Jude Bellingham and Billy Saliba.

Jude is getting all the praise and media love in. Sometimes being billed as a Ballon D’or contender in 2 years. But I don’t see much praise for Saliba in the media. Even in English ones. If Billy was at Madrid, he would be dubbed already as the best CB of the last 30 years.

This is why mostly la Liga exports win the ballon d’Or and not EPL exports. Media manipulation

Dissenter

Love Sausage
Think you’re being harsh on Ramsdale there

It’s a subjective decision selecting Raya over him, neither of them is anywhere near world class- both are grade 2A goalies
The manager wanted Raya before he went for Ramsdale and has gone full circle back to his initial preference. That’s all there is to it- a manger’s subjective preference…and he has that right.

Nothing to do with Ramsdale’s nationality. He didn’t do much wrong before losing his spot.

Mysticleaves

I should have said ballon d’Or winner in 2 years.

GD4

For those who still don’t see how important Thomas Partey is to the team, watch the sequence of how we scored the only goal.

That was a 40 yard diagonal precise pass that picked out the run of Tomi in the midst of three City defenders, and he was able to drop off the ball to Havertz to tee up Martinelli for the score.

Not knocking Rice or Jorginho but haven’t seen them doing any of that. Just love Partey for how composed he is on the ball and how progressive he is with his passing.

What a player

GD4

Our midfield trio barring injury should be

Partey
Ode
Rice

Markymark

Daily Mail stat -Arsenal with Saliba have a 77% win rate. Arsenal without Saliba and it’s just 46%. That’s the measure of the man

Wicked Willy

GD4

Partey’s verticality and press resistance are something to behold. I’m hoping we extend him by 12 months so that we can keep him for one more season after this and then recoup some money from the Saudis. The guys is a baller.

FoxInTheBox

Is it only Raya to blame for the awful display of distribution? Or, is it also that our fwds don’t know to make runs and yake positions?

And, how come Salah and Becker do that right almost like clockwork precision?

raptora

Partey is a complete midfielder. He has it all in his locker and no wonder Zinna rated him as the best holding midfielder he’s ever played with and he’s played with some epic ones like Fernandinho and Rodri. He’s not all action hero like Rice for sure, he’s not full of running, doesn’t have the same engine or desire to go up and down non stop. But in everything else, absolutely top notch. Also something so important Zinna said 2 months ago. Rio: Is Partey better than Rodri? Zinna: Partey has everything… Rodri is absolutely fit so for City’s system,… Read more »

Nigel Tufnel

WegotsuperMik,

The Zinch, Tomi, White – Doku chess match….
You left out the best part.
When Doku moved to the left, Arteta gave Tomiyasu the green light to attack inverted, not just down the touchline .. you saw that run through the middle which caused the goal.
Another winning move by Arteta.

Karsa

how come Salah and Becker do that right almost like clockwork precision

They’ve been playing together for 5 years.

Bob N16

Not sure why Raya didn’t pick out Odegaard and Rice when they both had acres at times in midfield. When you win it doesn’t matter but we were fortunate that their midfield was a mess.

Our squad is deepert now but our first 11 is sensational. A defensive spine of Gabriel, Saliba, Rice and Partey is exceptional and we have two of the best wide men around. As long as we are not unlucky with injuries, we won’t be far off.

Ta u o

The Ramsdale slander agenda is in full swing. Raya is no upgrade so far let’s face facts, Arteta and Cana who signed Runnarsson simply want thwir compatriot. . I pray he doesn’t cost us .Wish Ramsdale luck when he leaves, hopefully it will be at the end if the season not January.

Un

Mystic
Before messi only 5 in the previous 34 years went to a Spanish side
It was all English Italian and French teams until that point

Un

Bob

We need an alternative striker. And then I would say we are the complete team

englandsbest

AFC Forever

I think you nailed it, Raya suits Arteta’s style. That makes him first pick. Fact remains, he was poor first half, might have cost Arsenal the game. Arteta commends his bravery in persisting, and he came good. But is there any GK braver than Ramsdale?

The question is, why would an England GK play second fiddle? Why would Ramsdale stay? My guess is slver-tongued Mikel told him, ‘Watch, learn, adapt and you’ll be my first pick, and maybe the world’s best GK.’

Nigel Tufnel

Matt B,
I also saw Raya in the 1st half a little more like AFCforever, and I’ve been a little surprised that (as you said) almost everyone said he was bad… including the 1st podcasts I’ve heard so far.

I’m going to watch it again, and keep an eye on Raya specifically.
I’m going to bet that Clive on Arsenal Vision will see it more like AFCf when I listen to that one. He’s a great analyst, you should check him out.

GD4

Wicked Willy,
It’s amazing the disrespect Partey gets here.
Imagine someone who claims to be an Arsenal fan going as far as claiming he’s an age cheat?
Only on LeGrove can someone make such an unsubstantiated claim and get away with it. The same fool said Zinch is a better defender cuz he has small stubly legs … lord have have mercy

Tom

Raya needs to be perfect now with the Ramsdalians watching his every move ready to pounce.
I remember Alisson and Ederson making some serious points costing howlers without anyone questioning their starting roles.
Here his every missed kick will be scrutinized.

psuedo warrior

Watching the game again minus the emotions and it’s really an amazing, controlled performance from the Arsenal.

City can’t even complete a highlights reel of their attacks, completely owned by the Arsenal defence

Un

Pseudo
Where can to my watch the full game post weekend?

Un

Tom

He doesn’t need to be perfect
He had a terrible first half yesterday
Worst half I’ve seen from an arsenal keeper in years
He was at fault for a goal midweek and his weak punch contributed to tottenhams first goal against us
That’s 3 big mistakes in 3 big games

local

Raya has been only slightly better than Aaron so far, he might get better though.

Partey is almost done as a top DM in PL, not just because of regular injuries.

If Rice is not ready to take over as first choice DM by the end of this season, I’d like Artedu to get a new one(someone between 24-27 yrs old) and sell/release at least two out of three older DM’s.

Luteo Guenreira

https://ok.ru/video/7491192490501

Actually here’s a direct link so you don’t have to go through all the popups

Luteo Guenreira

Fuck that was the 2nd half only, here’s the first

https://ok.ru/video/7491020327429

Vickingz

If Ramsdale played the way Raya played the first half yesterday, nobody here would have looked the other way and if we had lost that match, those looking the other way now would definitely not. Give kudos to Arteta and Raya for being ‘brave’ for all I care but Raya was everything but brave in the first half but since we won, let’s forget about what ifs and what if not. Galaxy brain knows best

Paul Goh

There was a video of both Ramsdale and Raya training and every shot was being caught by Raya and being palmed by Ramsdale. These are the fine margins and this data can immediately be captured by the coaches at Arsenal. Ramsdale has one or two finger tip Youtube worthy saves but stats shows he has underperformed and for that he has paid the price with his position.

Tom

Un, City press better than anyone and what many here call the Raya mistake that almost cost us the goal was him receiving the ball from big Gab with Alvarez barely three yards away and already at full pelt closing him down. He elected to take the touch and look up the pitch because that’s what Arteta wants from him 100times out of a 100 when booting it first time was the play. Or, maybe big Gab needs to take the much smaller Alvarez on his back , roll him towards the side line and boot the ball himself. I’ve… Read more »

Zacharse

How has Michael Oliver not been sacked!? How does this not make the blood boil of every arsenal fan globally? I am not part of any culture war and i have never once used the term SOY online… but today, i am nauseated by the lack of common sense of fans, professionals and every pundit I’ve heard speak besides on the Gab & Jules show- generally the only folk worth listening to. Of many outrages continuously propagated against AFC, this is by far the most outrageous, very nearly breaking our captain’s ankle. digraceful, shameful, the ending of the final chapter… Read more »

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Love sausage
14.32
Seriously disagree with your post…
Raya played bad with strong competition on the bench..
If Rambo goes
.. he will get worse.

As for Rambo Newcastle have pope.. United with two Bob have ouna.

Maybe Chelsea ..
But I’d rather he stayed

AFC Forever

Vickingz

“Raya was everything but brave in the first half but since we won, let’s forget about what ifs and what if not. Galaxy brain knows best.”

“Every Tom, dick and Harry gets his day against Arsenal. Galaxy brain indeed, a useless coach with his blind fanboys.”

What enjoyment do you get trolling Gooners? I appreciate you’re a lot younger than me but when I was your age I used to get hard thinking about girls. Not other blokes on blogs.

Josip Skoblar

Bill Saliba: “When I felt bored in the game I passed the ball to Haaland and then took it back.”
😂😂😂
This cockiness reminds me of prime Thierry Henry. Glad to see that we have world-beaters in our team again.

Mozi

Raya had a nervy start but he came out that 2nd half and flopped out his big ones for everyone to see. Fairplay to him. That defensive performance was the best in years. Arteta set us up brilliantly. It definitely looks like we’re maturing as a team and Arteta is too. I’m still on cloud 9! COYG!

AFC Forever

Zacharse “Of many outrages continuously propagated against AFC, this is by far the most outrageous, very nearly breaking our captain’s ankle.” Pep had targeted Odegaard for close attention but Kovacic decided to try to ‘do’ him. It was a dangerous tackle. It was not only late but intentional & done with force, unlike the Curtis Jones red. This is what does my head in, Jones get’s a red harshly given and Kovacic escapes a far more dangerous tackle. The purpose of the law is to protect players and Michael Oliver with Bungle & Zippy on VAR failed to do that… Read more »

Dissenter

Tom ‘I’ve got no dog in this fight, I rate Ramsdale, aside from him being a ball of nervous energy that is, but the idea you’d blame Raya for the Tottenham goal when Saka played the D like an amateur and both Rice and White watched on Maddison waltz up and square the ball to Son, is exactly what I meant by Raya needing to be perfect.” Someone else was always culpable when Ramsdale made mistakes that led to goals too. The same excusing of Raya’s mistakes would have served well for Ramsdale too. Gabriel was right to pass the… Read more »

Mozi

Can’t believe Dickings gave kudos to arteta and raya haha bet that hurt tying it

Dissenter

I think the younger referees don’t send Michael Olivere to the monitor because they know he’s better and more exposed that they are There is an inferiority complex there.
There was this game [can’t recall the exact one] where Michael Oliver went to the monitor, looked at it and still kept his original decisions unchanged.

Topside Northbank

Neville has increasingly been having sly digs at us all since last season.

We are a young squad on the up.

Kept going on about Raya.

I’d be more concerned with Onana if I was GN, the bloke is so lacking in confidence he couldn’t save clubcard points at Tesco.

Wegotsupermik

Nigel

Agree re Tomi pushing up into midfield but he deserves the credit as well for how he did it – he has this season bed. more effective inverting than Zinchenko and clearly a better defender … on form and while he is still fit he deserves a start in a Premiership match.

Luteo Guenreira

Vickingz will forever be the cunt that posted “1-1” as soon as we scored yesterday.

Mozi

We definitely live in nevilles head rent free.

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Diss
A very good point regarding Oliver not being requested to go and view.

Wouldn’t suprise me if there senior ranking ism at pgmol

Mozi

RIP Vickingz

Wegotsupermik

In his pre match press conference Arteta was asked when Guardiola last surprised him and answered
:
“Probably something that he didn’t do. I expected him to do something very different with Bernardo [Silva, when he played at left-back against us last season] and he didn’t do it. “

I wonder if he anticipated Silva as #6 this time.

Zacharse

AFC ForeverOctober 9, 2023 18:03:10 Zacharse“Of many outrages continuously propagated against AFC, this is by far the most outrageous, very nearly breaking our captain’s ankle.”Pep had targeted Odegaard for close attention but Kovacic decided to try to ‘do’ him. It was a dangerous tackle. It was not only late but intentional & done with force, unlike the Curtis Jones red. This is what does my head in, Jones get’s a red harshly given and Kovacic escapes a far more dangerous tackle. The purpose of the law is to protect players and Michael Oliver with Bungle & Zippy on VAR failed… Read more »

Karsa

Saka, Saliba, and Trossard, withdrawn from national squads.

AFC Forever

Zacharse You won’t get disagreement from me, I’ve been banging this drum for years. They used to shout me down as a conspiracy theorist but I’ve been proved right because they are now fucking up week after week. It has definitely got worse with video, which is very odd. PGMOL don’t help themselves. They let Michael Oliver, Darren England and David Cootes freelance in the UAE; the Oil State that owns Manchester City. So when they are involved in making dreadful unexplainable decisions against Manchester City rivals, Liverpool & Arsenal, of course people will be suspicious. Who isn’t? They just… Read more »

Zacharse

AFC its beyond obvious. there is nothing even remotely resembling a rational defense for it anymore. the only thing to be done is to recognize the obvious- they play against the opposition, the refs/umpires, and, for the lucky supporters of AFC and LFC etc, nation states and sovereign wealth funds To bang on about poor anthony taylor and his family at the airport… these folk have dug their own graves- mike dean and the rest of them are to thank and i won’t be surprised or angered when some ‘pudlian scum up the ante in a dark alley somewhere for… Read more »

Milo

I don’t think Zinchenko got enough credit for his defensive work yesterday. Put some clean, nippy tackles in and was so composed when carrying or passing the ball through the first phase of possession. There were quite a few times he retained possession and took as much time as was needed. He really dictated the tempo of play, at times. City really didn’t even bother pressing him and rightfully so.

kofi

whether its conscious or unconscious bias or simply incompetence. it still baffles me that a league containing clubs worth billions of pounds allow the pgmol to work that way. it should be pretty easy to join forces and oust them or at least force them to change significantly. they dont which looks suspiciously to me
dont wanna go into conspiracy theories but if you think it through i guess there must be something behind it isnt it?

raptora

Diss: “Gabriel was right to pass the ball to Raya, he only had to clear it .. he opted to open up his body and take a touch, that was on him.” I think Big Gab kind of made the pass like Raya’s strong foot is left, it was a slow ball ideal for a left-footer, which isn’t the case, so Raya had to take another touch to move it to his right foot. I know GKs are used to kicking it long with both feet, I love Gabriel but in my eyes he takes a bit of the blame… Read more »

Un

Tom

I didn’t blame raya
I said his mistake contributed. It was still a mistake that lead to goal for the opposition
Had he caught it, we don’t concede that goal

It’s not that I don’t like raya a player or that I don’t think he’s good. I just don’t think he’s better than Ramsdale. It’s all good playing for Brentford but arsenal is different gravy.

Un

Rap

A pro footballer plying for a top 4 club should be a ale ti clear the ball with his weaker foot

Un

Rap
Raya’s first hall to big gabby was a hospital ball.
This wasn’t just one
He was all over the place for about an hour

Dissenter

raptora
We are going to have to disagree on this one
You say he took the extra touch….which was the problem. He should have belted it out with his left foot

Then decision to move it to his stronger foot was poor judgment in that situation.
He shouted at Gabriel because he was nervous all through the first half, that was anxiety flowing over.

Dissenter

I’ll give Raya credit for hs improvement in the second half but I won’t place his first half woes on anyone else.

raptora
Did you notice that the pass that set off the sequence of events to Gabriel was overcooked, Gabriel had to stretch for it. It was like dominos from here.

raptora

Diss and Don,
The name of the video is “shades of Almunia” for a reason I guess lol!

Tom

“I didn’t blame raya I said his mistake contributed. It was still a mistake that lead to goal for the opposition Had he caught it, we don’t concede that goal” That’s funny because Dissenter wanted him to tip it over the bar for a corner. So assuming he had, and they scored from the ensuing corner, you still would’ve felt his mistake lead to the goal. Here’s my point though; how much time have you spent holding other players accountable for their part in that goal vs Raya, not a lot, right? Wonder why. Not for nothing but Ramsdale did… Read more »

Dissenter

Kyle Walker was bang out of order yesterday
I’m not surprised they let him off without the customary “investigation” and fine
There was an Arsenal security dude trying to keep the situation calm and Kyle Walker swatted his hands away.
Not shocked that the FA declined to get involved, England national team players get treated differently

Un

Kofi

Well there are two responses to that
1) it makes the league more exciting and dramatic when the refs make it about themselves and go out of their way to interferes with the events of a match
2) if some refs are on the pay roll then the league can better control the narrative of their product. Maybe fanciful c. L

Tom

If you want to fix VAR just remove the ”clear and obvious error” nonsense from it’s manifesto, or whatever they call it , and give each manager a couple challenges per game so they can send the ref to pitch side monitor.
At least then you won’t have the cop out situations like this Kocacic affair, and you can lay the blame only on one person, the ref.

Un

Tom

That’s just one example of a catalogue of errors since he’s usurped Ramsdale, who’s distribution vs Brentford was top drawer
Some very risky passes made and executed to perfection
He’s already learning and adapting

Un

Diss
Yeah he acted like a prick there
Same last season with all that stuff with zinchenko
Starting to look a bit like an arrogant bully
Very unsportsmanlike at best

Northbanker

I don’t personally think there’s a huge difference between Raya and the Ram. Raya maybe shades it. I gather though the reason Art wanted him was because Ram kept going rogue and using long balls when under pressure

But I will watch and wait just as with Kai and judge at end of a full season.

Tom

“The same excusing of Raya’s mistakes would have served well for Ramsdale too.
Gabriel was right to pass the ball to Raya, he only had to clear it .. he opted to open up his body and take a touch, that was on him.”

Diss, no one is excusing anything. I said once the pass to him was made he should’ve booted it.
But surely you realize the goal of playing out the back isn’t to send it to keeper under pressure so he can boot it blindly, I hope.

Tom

That’s just one example of a catalogue of errors since he’s usurped Ramsdale, who’s distribution vs Brentford was top drawer.

Un, Brentford sitting in 15th place , that Brentford?
As oppose to the likes of City who press better than anyone else ?
Apples to apples this ain’t.

Luteo Guenreira

The main difference is that it feels like Raya has already caught more crosses into the box in 5 games than Ramsdale did in 3 years.

Dissenter

The ruthlessness I want is for us to complete the other end of the Raya signing, which will be to sign Ivan Toney in January
Let Raya have someone to ping the long passes to

Arteta will have to give up Eddie to make that happen

We unveil Toney at a slot machine , saying “wanna bet”

Un

Tom
Ramdale can only demonstrate his capabilities against the teams he’s chosen to play against
If your argument is Ramsdale has played well, raya hasn’t but raya had to play one of the better teams then it’s not a great argument

Dissenter

Luteo
“The main difference is that it feels like Raya has already caught more crosses into the box in 5 games than Ramsdale did in 3 years.”

Feelings can be deceptive
We don’t even let crosses in these days because out LB and RB are better

Dissenter

* our LB and RB are better

raptora

My opinion on the GKs is that I rate cold blooded bastards and Raya is above Ramsdale in that regard. I’ve also said that Rams would maybe surpass Raya later in his career but for the now, now, Raya is slightly better and watching him now, he’s even a bit better for our football than I thought. I didn’t originally approve this signing but with the loan deal we’ve let ourselves a tiny chance to see how things go and then make a decision. Imo, Raya is an upgrade on Rams for this season, full stop. If Rams could surpass… Read more »

Un

We unveil Toney at a slot machine , saying “wanna bet

Diss
Or “arsenal sign Toney
What are the odds?? “

raptora

Diss,
regarding the Jover – Walker incident:

Jack Gaughan, DailyMail
Arsenal’s Nicolas Jover refused to shake hands with #ManCity players after their #PL defeats to the Champions last season, in a move seen as disrespectful by the club. Sources branded Jover a ‘hypocrite’ for actively seeking out Kyle Walker on Sunday.
___________________________________

Jover has history at City, as their former colleague, so we can only guess the reasons for whatever happened there.

AFC Forever

Saka withdrawing from the England squad is great news. He now has a bit of a break.

raptora

Diss: “The ruthlessness I want is for us to complete the other end of the Raya signing, which will be to sign Ivan Toney in January. Let Raya have someone to ping the long passes to”

He already has that someone and he’s better there than people give him credit for. KH29
https://twitter.com/veeyahborna/status/1711345440958861448 Watch this space.

raptora

That first situation on the video is one of the few times I was so upset at Jesus. If he lifts his head, he could have squared it to Rice and pray to the lord he tucks it in. Came from a solid job from Kai and Ode. I could bet Rice scores it.

Tom

“Ramdale can only demonstrate his capabilities against the teams he’s chosen to play against
If your argument is Ramsdale has played well, raya hasn’t but raya had to play one of the better teams then it’s not a great argument”

That’s not my argument, and I don’t care who plays between the sticks.
But I did see both of their stats and according to those Raya is better.
How much better remains to be seen but Arteta’s made his choice and seemingly mostly his biggest fan boys have the problem with it.
I don’t.

AFC Forever

Can’t you all be happy we just beat City instead of whining about Raya? He kept another clean sheet & was praised by Pep after the game for the effect he had on City’s press.

For fucks sake try to enjoy the win!

salparadisenyc

Le Grove needs some god damn Nick Cave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4n5VTo3eU0

Un

Tom

Guess we’ll have to just see how it goes then

Dissenter

raptora
Thanks fo the link
Long may it continue
Like Mikel Conetata has been advocating, Eddie will get relegated to the bench and Havertz will take his place

Luteo Guenreira

I thought Kai was really effective in his short stint yesterday, the compilation from that tweet are great examples of moments that stood out for me while watching it live yesterday. For games against the top clubs like City or Liverpool that like to press aggressively, passing it out calmly from the back isn’t always going to be in the cards, no matter how good the keeper is with the ball at his feet. Having someone like Kai that can actually hold the ball up and lay it off into those channels as the midfielders make their runs is a… Read more »

Markymark

The issue over Raya and Ramsdale is it’s obviously subjective. We have Pedro on the pod saying about when Raya does make a save “would Ramsdale have saved that shot?” the emphasis from Pedro obviously being no but the reality is we will never know. Un points out the best keeping display was against Brentford with Ramsdale between the sticks we can also point out the poorest goalkeeper display this year was Raya in the first half. So it’s a very tricky situation brought about by Arteta. If Ramsdale goes after being pissed off and little legs Raya starts having… Read more »

Luteo Guenreira

“Feelings can be deceptive
We don’t even let crosses in these days because out LB and RB are better”

Yeah that’s why I said “feels like” and didn’t present it as a stat, because I have no idea what the actual numbers look like. But I’d wager a number of people who have watched both Raya and Ramsdale play for us this season know exactly what I mean by that feeling.

Pierre

Joint top of the league, not a lot to complain about .. Raya is first choice keeper Gabriel and saliba aŕe first choice centre backs . White and Zinchenko are ou first choice full backs . Rice and Odegaard are our first choice in midfield with a question mark on the ..left sided 8 position Saka and Martinelli are our first choice wide players. Eddie has been first choice striker this season and has helped Arsenal get to the top of the league, but I exçect movement in the transfer market in january, Toney impressed me last season at the… Read more »

Pierre

Markymark
“If Ramsdale goes after being pissed off and little legs Raya starts having a mare it’s squarely on Tets.”

Looks like we will have Un and Markymark picking holes in Raya for the rest of the season in a desperate attempt to label him a failure….

From what I have seen so far “little legs” Raya manages to claim far more crosses than podgy legs Ramsdale who unlike Raya, more often than not stays rooted to his line…

Pierre

LG “For games against the top clubs like City or Liverpool that like to press aggressively, passing it out calmly from the back isn’t always going to be in the cards, no matter how good the keeper is with the ball at his feet. Having someone like Kai that can actually hold the ball up and lay it off into those channels as the midfielders make their runs is a nice alternative to have ” 100% agree , though what I will is that to have that option doesn’t necessarily mean he has to play as striker as it is… Read more »

Mr Serge

What a Game yesterday so happy with the win

Think it’s time to give Kai so time as our 9 and see if he cuts it there

He is not getting in as the 8 with Partey and Rice fit

Loves watching Saliba bully the orc as well

City were rattled shame Rodri is back next game.

Mark

We need to petition PGMOL like Liverpool did so that Michael Oliver doesn’t ref any more of our games this season.
Double yellow for Martinelli in less than 10 seconds in the same passage of play. Never been seen before in all of the five European leagues. Won’t be seen again.
Yet he waived away an obvious second yellow without a second thought. Waving his arms straight away. Cheating Rat faced Cnut!!

Dear PGMOL,

Please remove M.Oliver from all of Arsenal’s remaining…….

Zacharse

salparadisenycOctober 9, 2023 20:53:16
Le Grove needs some god damn Nick Cave.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4n5VTo3eU0

too classy sal, Swans needed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cqRxo1V_OM&list=OLAK5uy_nJEL_rair5UJfuDg6LGQlw-s3CQ_0q4kc&index=1

Zacharse

Mark
that would certainly be a start. my guess is whatever we’re doing we’re doing, and probably liverpool as well, is being done behind closed doors and out of the spotlight. what happened after the LFC spuds game surely won’t be repeated until it’s merited. its just so pathetic right now, almost intentionally so

Nigel Tufnel

All this back and forth over the keepers is exactly what I assume dissenter was talking about when he said we didn’t need the controversy. I agreed with him. But here we are…. These are keeper attributes we’ve seen so far. Long distribution: Rambos long high balls not as effective as the medium high long bullets from Raya that are more accurate. Big edge Raya. Short Distribution: I’d like to see a little more before grading Raya, but seems close enough. I don’t buy the line that he appears nervous. Ramsdale much more jumpy in general. On the short sample… Read more »

GD4

What a shocker, a limited thinker would mock someone trying to educate it.
Typical behavior of a village idiot smh.