BORING, BORING, ARSENAL

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Sometimes, the narrative isn’t about you… it’s about your noisy neighbors.

Arsenal beat AFC Bournemouth. It was so professional and cutting. I’d call it pleasant/boring. You know the afternoons I’m talking about. Invincibles era vs Derby. A surefire three points. Second gear into town to pick up a paper on a Sunday.

… you know who wanted a day like that? Manchester City. They lost 2-1 to Wolves. Their xG was less than 1. Wolves scored two off of 0.5 xG. It was DELICIOUS.

… you know who else wanted a day like ours? Erik Ten Having-a-mare. A manager who definitely took the ketchup out of the player canteen has slumped from crisis to crisis since finishing the season in the top 4 through sheer luck. Now his brand of football is on the struggle bus. His tenure there has entered a death spiral. Players are leaking, journalists are ganging up, his tenure looks dead… and losing his 4th game of the season to Palace really did not help this vibe.

Arsenal didn’t care for drama – they just did the job.

Eddie won a penalty – Odegaard finished with a sputtery Jorginho-style run.

Saka scored the second when he was first to the Jesus header that hit the post.

Odegaard won the next penalty in the second half, but instead of taking it himself, he gave it to Kai Havertz who scored his first goal in something silly like 17 Premier League games.

The fourth came so late in the game I’d already switched over to the City game to see what was going down. Martin Odegaard flew a lovely freekick into the Bournemouth box, the only player who challenged was Ben White who saw his looping header slip into the top corner.

4-0.

Easy.

There were some really nice bits.

I loved that the team rallied around Kai Havertz. You saw firsthand how the players feel about him. They know he’s a top pro, they rate him, and they can see he’s in a confidence rut. If you’ve slandered him recently, I hope you felt a pang of guilt. These guys on the pitch are human like you and me… sometimes you just need a bit of support. I loved how good the away fans were to him. All love out there.

David Raya got the nod despite Ramsdale having a sound game in the week. The Spaniard was excellent. His passing went from 66% against Spurs to 87%. Joe Willock doesn’t hit those numbers. He made one really excellent save down low where he held the ball. It just felt like the sort of strike Aaron might have palmed into danger. It was a basic game, but he did well. We need to see him on a run before we can truly judge… perhaps City will tell us more.

Declan Rice had another really good performance. I told you last week Arteta was making pointed comments to the player about flaking out after his back injury that wasn’t a back injury. Arteta expects his players to be beasts. Declan wasn’t last week when he flounced out of the Spurs game. This week, he dominated on every level. He’s just a brilliant player. He controlled the midfield, he was aggressive, he was ballerina-like, he opened the game up, and he didn’t let anything get past him. It was a MONSTER performance.

… now imagine Partey next to him for City?

The star of the day was our defense. We look so solid with our key men fit. Saliba and Gabriel are frightening. They looked scary. They play scary. They are forming such a monster partnership. The big test is Haaland next week – but for me, these two are a Hollywood pairing.

There was only one sour note to speak of – Bukayo Saka hobbling off with an injury

>>>>>>>>>>> COULD IT BE A CONSPIRACY BETWEEN ARTETA AND BUKAYOR TO THROW SENOR PEP INTO BELIEVING THE STARBOY IS OUT NEXT WEEK?

Maybe.

But most likely not.

Arteta should have prioritized resting Saka. He took Eddie off. A player who won’t play much over the next few weeks. Saka’s injury, if it’s serious, is on Mikel. You could say hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I think most Arsenal fans have been calling this injury for weeks. Our best player doesn’t have a legit back-up. That is so problematic for our season.

But let’s lean on hope. Saka is good at taking himself off. We’ve seen this move before. It’s not a bad injury until the .com tells us so.

Still, let’s be positive. We have City next week after they lost to Newcastle and Wolves. Martinelli and Partey COULD be back for that game. Finally, we have a fit squad to choose from against our biggest enemy. We’re also 1 point off City. It is wild to think that just a few weeks ago I was defending Arteta’s right to rotate players – now we could go top if we beat City. Remember the catastrophists who get it wrong over and over again about Arsenal.

Right, that’s me done. I’m writing this after a 19-hour day – it’s not my best work, so I’ll be back with something better a bit later.

Check out the pod below.

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salparadisenyc

How we lining up vs Lens?

I’d like to see this, give Jesus some minutes in the #9 before City rest Saliba, Zinchenko and Saka.

Vieira, Partey, Havertz , Eddie and Jorginho should all see some time.

_______________Jesus________________
Trossard_________________________Nelson
__________ESR_______Ødegaard___________
________________Rice__________________
Kiwior___________________________White
___________Gabriel____Tomi___________
_________________Raya__________________

Wicked Willy

Sal

I like that lineup. Would defo be happy with that.

Madhu

Diss – regarding your post about it not being corruption I beg differ sir. You mentioned that the VAR needs a review and overhaul. Sir it’s been atleast 2-3 seasons when these controversies have become a staple of VAR. Apologies have been dished out left right and center but there is never a talk of computer review and overhaul. It’s not that they need some kind of public refrendum or a Govt order to get going. Instead they decide that they need to punish time wasting and yellow card managers at touchline. Some perspective is needed when there is question… Read more »

Wicked Willy

Wow guys, I recommend you all read this on VAR. An astonishingly intelligent and insightful assessment of VAR.

https://x.com/daisychristo/status/1223648167385796611?s=20

Cyril

WW above – yes a great read. And it lays out that where we hear the commentator say ‘ I can see why it was given’ exposes how arbitrary a decision can be. If there is bias – can be hidden in plain sight by the very reasoning it was checked for 7 mins etc….

China1

If anything is checked for more than 1 minute it is either awful officiating missing the obvious or it is unclear and the original decision should stand

Long var checks should be a disciplinary offense for the officials involved as it’s either poor decision making or a lack of decisiveness which are equally unacceptable

Wicked Willy

Really interesting perspective from Mike McDonald. Arteta is going to persist with Havertz. Why? Well it’s not the price tag forcing him. It’s his profile. Arteta wanted his profile. A tall player that could join the attack and offer an aerial threat that nobody else offers. An aerial threat arriving from deep is harder to track than a static striker between centre backs. A player who is versatile (like the others) that can play striker and offer a transition pivot that can compete with centre backs. A player who has goals in him. A player with a strong work ethic… Read more »

China1

Re the Lens game, honestly I would love a big performance and the rest but I mainly just want us to get the points without injuries or drama ahead of the city game Hoping Mikel rotates a bit for some of our more at risk players like Zin, Saka (if available) probably Jesus and Saliba as well. But no more than that to keep some stability A win vs Lens sees us halfway there for qualification as 12 points is normally enough. Would also be nice to head into the city game with 8 wins and 2 draws in all… Read more »

China1

Wicked I’m not yet sold I’m afraid I don’t think we can consider Bournemouth a breakout game He was tidy but broadly unremarkable, a 7/10 performance if we’re being honest. Nothing bad but no stand out aspects either He scored his first goal because he was given a penalty out of sympathy from players who would’ve normally taken it themselves I hope he delivers as much as anyone else and I hope he proves all the critics wrong, but it’s incredibly generous to call the Bournemouth match a breakout performance. He wasn’t one of our top 5 performers in that… Read more »

Wicked Willy

Agreed it wasn’t a breakout game. There is gradual improvement from game to game, and I can see where it’s going, but it most certainly has not been definitive.

To be fair to him, I think he’s been in prime positions numerous times and his team mates haven’t going him, but yes, his goal scoring exploits have not been to the fore since Leverkusen. But a player underwhelming at Chelsea is not exactly a rarity these days.

Let’s see how it unfolds, and let’s enjoy that chant while it does!

China1

Like the list mentions us signing him as a goal threat but in his ‘break out performance’ he was less of a goal threat than ESR who only played 20 mins – a player who left the pitch dejected that he hadn’t scored twice in that short period I’m all for rallying behind and supporting Kai If he’s a success we’ll all be better for it But I don’t agree with charity feedback. Your eyes don’t deceive you, he’s playing more solidly and less error prone than the first few games but he’s not had anything resembling a breakout performance… Read more »

China1

Yeah I also agree I think that he’s progressing is undeniable

If this trend continues then in another 5 or 6 games he may start to exert some real influence on our matches

I hope so because the waka chant is too much and I wanna see our fans trolling opposition fans with it on a weekly basis

Can’t do it if he isn’t scoring tho!!!

MidwestGun

I mean interesting take.. but..the thing is.. I’m not judging Havertz on assists and scores. I’m judging him .. on is he better Than Xhaka … a.k.a an upgrade to the position. And so far the answer is a resounding…. nope. Not to say he can’t be by the end of the season. But if you have to write a long thesis on attributes like good pk taker and Tall ..and twist off the ball play into some sort of masterclass of effectiveness. It probably isn’t going well. Off the ball runs are harder to track, sure but if it… Read more »

raptora

Arteta himself has said that things have not gone Kai’s way so far. That the team felt the need to give him the pen speaks for itself. I support Kai but let’s not joke around. Yes, he’s done some things well, but he hasn’t hit the required level yet. When he starts performing good/great, I’ll be the first one to applaud him. So far he’s been meh and that’s about it. I have patience for him though so hopefully he pays us back. We’re just 2 months in his Arsenal career so far – new team, new position, new manager.… Read more »

Siddeeq

What do you call a test frozen in place? A TESTsicle

Wicked Willy

Midwest

Stats wise it’s a resounding yes actually. Kai is significantly outperforming Xhaka. However, is it enough? Not really. It’s baseline, and we all agree we want and need more from him a the season progresses. But it’s totally misrepresentative to claim he’s not an improvement on Xhaka if you believe stats reflect performance. As far as the eye test goes, they feel pretty similar in my view.

MidwestGun

Xhaka was much better at timing his late runs. and diagonal progressive passing, gettign the left winger involved with link play and heading of the ball if I’m being honest. As well as aggression. So for me it’s not even close. And this is coming from somebody that wanted to see the backside of Xhaka years ago when he was playing defensive mid at a pretty terrible level.

But there is no way you can say Kai is to Xhaka’s level of last season as far as making the team play better.

China1

Thanks, Sid. I’d been wondering about that for weeks truth be told

Siddeeq

Xhaka was a box to box like Wenger said, last season proved it.

China1

Xhaka was playing a lot better than this last season

He was influential and making key contributions beyond just the abstract like off the ball runs and the sort which are more intangible benefits with less concrete and obvious output for the most part

raptora

As far as the “resounding yes” goes –
Xhaka in the PL 22/23 vs Havertz in the PL 23/24
https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=tT1ccnETFVtSGtILi2czC

MidwestGun

Raps, ya those stats show what I see in my mind when I remember at as well. I think the difference is Xhaka played the position like a midfielder asked to get forward and also as player who had played deeper in mid his whole career whereas Kai to this point is still playing it like a forward asked to play midfield. The Bournemouth game though as Matt said on the podcast for the first time it looked liked Kai was trying to play midfield and not as a secondary striker . That is some progress and Kai is no… Read more »

Markymark

Un – spouted out all this after his wife got him to do his allotted tasks for the day. You know who wears the boots and who wears the Pinny in Un’s house. It ain’t quite as Un would like. “Foxy “ as Un calls his little hero Lawrence . Certainly got her number all right. Got her number to such a point that the only TV station who will pay him has sacked him. Then he shits on his blackmailing pal Dan nutcase Wooton. So both get booted. Un is in the hands of unstable nutcases all of whom… Read more »

China1

As ever there’s some middle ground

The feminist is so dense it’s not even funny and just parrots whatever the latest trend mindless woke thing of the day is in front of her.

Meanwhile to go on national radio or whatever and talk about being unwilling to shag her etc was a dumb as it was unnecessary

I always assumed the guy who made those comments was gay anyway because he’s camp as anything!

Un

Mark
What does that tell you? The system is feminised and geared towards silencing the option of men
He said he wouldn’t shag her, big deal
She laughed at male suicides
What’s worse?
She also sent tweets out saying the exact same thing fox said but at other men. Way before fox mad that comment
Is that equality? Or is it something more insidious?
This debacle is exactly why young men why chinless role models such as yourselves flock to guys like Tate

FB

Best comment China1 on a dreadful topic, that 99% don’t give a shit about anyway.

FB

Great to hear Thomas Partey is travelling with the team.

If he gets say twenty minutes, might he be in contention for a place v City?

Tikpo

The sentence from Mike Macdonald should have read ” now that he has had his breakout GOAL.….” rather than his breakout game
! Then his argument makes a lot more sense.

GoonerDave

Mark is a simp. Mocking male suicide is okay, but calling a woman ugly crosses the line!
Ridiculous, pathetic feminized simp. You should be truly ashamed of yourself.

Markymark

Un -she didn’t laugh at male suicide she said that there should be a mental health minister for all. Then said she’d been too dismissive of male health issues. It is actually a big deal to sexualise content on what is meant to be a main news bulletin. As “Foxy” as you lovingly call him is so imbued with good old fashioned British values he should know that “play the game not the person” so ad hominem attacks on a woman’s shag ability are both puerile and ultimately self defeating. Who’s lost their income stream him or her? The guy… Read more »

Markymark

GoonerDave – simp / woke / whatever ….. these hero’s you love are either rapists , blackmailers, failed actors ( thrown out of public school for bullying) or extreme religious beliefs. If you actually read my comments to WW . It’s beyond you I suppose you’d actually see that I was saying there are real issues with men’s mental health that need support and addressing. This is comparing and contrasting. Obviously beyond a simp like you who goes to extreme positions. Jesus talk about triggered

Un

Marky No She literally laughed when the topic was being discussed and made a joke in the middle of Geoff Norcott’s point. Did you even watch the segment? My guess is no Biggest killer of men under 50 in the U.K. is male suicide and she laughs? Fox is right. Who would shag that. Sexualising content?? Hahaha don’t make me laugh All you get from msm is queer this, trans that, gay this. Pride in your face. Rainbow flags. Teaching kids about homosexual intercourse What a fucking joke of a comment that was Everything is overtly sexualised now. Trying to… Read more »

Siddeeq

Markymark the champion of feminism thinks its funny insinuating the greek poster masturbates because of the PM iron lady, who is his mothers age

China1

The silliest part about saying she wasn’t shaggable was that she’s the easiest person to argue with already, because she’s lost every argument I’ve ever seen her have

Why bother to make it about her appearance?

I’ve seen her interviewed so many times and every single time she falls apart and is unable to defend her position at the first time of getting challenged on anything

A person like that you should just take them to town and school them rather than talking about their shagability fml

Un

Mark Yeah well foxy is another symptom of the disease. Reaction to a problem. Leftist/globalist politics have been playing the man and not the point since the mid 90s so anyon E who opposes what they are attempting to force on us doesn’t have much choice but to play by the same tactics. Why do you think trump happened? And brexit? Playing nice or playing the point doesn’t work because you’re gonna be smeared anyway with all manners of ists ands isms if you oppose their policies. High tax, high immigration, street crime, 4th wave feminism, eu, global governing bodies,… Read more »

Un

On display*

Un

Who’s lost their income stream him or her? The guy is a straight out loser as Donny would say, He’s already had to pay out significant damages and now he’s off air. Mark Yes And is that right? Is that fair? Is that equality? She said the same thing on Twitter She said men should be terrified to approach a woman to ask her out She mocked that Pearl girl for her large appearance on piers Morgan (so much for sisterhood) She laughed in the middle of a man passionately pleading for people to notice male suicide rates and help… Read more »

Un

Her spite makes for good tv

Un

And that is an excellent example of cancel culture
You can say these things if you have the right politics
But if you dare oppose us and behave similarly you are gone
Like that black girl making jokes about killing whites on the bbc
The panel chortled away
Imagine if Laurence fox had made that joke about any other demographic bar white men.
You see the disparity?

Un

You seem to have inserted yourself into a conversation I was having with WW that actually looked at these nuances and then also attacked Bob and others. Bizarre Marky Actually you were all responding to a comment I made to Midwest about brand And I don’t think people like Tate should be the spokesperson. But obviously young men and boys are fed up and find his crass frankness appealing or he wouldn’t be so influential. He was the most Google’s man on the planet for a year. Maybe he still is. Ask yourself why that is and maybe you’ll get… Read more »

Tom

“This debacle is exactly why young men why chinless role models such as yourselves flock to guys like Tate”

Don’t forget the real life pussy-whipped, internet make believe hard men like yourself, Don.
Admit it, you got little chubby watching Ken’s mojo dojo casa house scene didn’t you.

Markymark

Un – there are issues regarding feminist agenda which understandably is feminist cheer leading this can be seen to reduce and close off support for boys if that agenda is followed without a broad view. I see this with how my son had treatment from certain teachers ( not all, he has a lovely current teacher ) obviously the suicide rate for men is horrendous and has grown as a percentage I believe pretty expansive over recent decades. The reasons for male suicide could be many and varied and however awful offended or not someone is by a female journalist… Read more »

Northbanker

Who are you talking about?

Markymark

Siddeeq – yes I did think it was quite funny and I just have a feeling that the Sidddddd brotherhood could all be one and the same

Un

Admit it, you got little chubby watching Ken’s mojo dojo casa house scene didn’t you.

😂
I did Tom
I thought I’d hate that film but actually found it quite funny
Fyi was dragged to it for my daughters birthday. In pink!! Believe it
Thankfully no photos were taken

Markymark

Un – the issue over social media and mainstream media has and is being discussed. If you want to play with the mainstream as GB news is attempting to do it needs to adhere to the broadcasting commission rules. Sexualising a woman on a news program is not playing by those rules. God knows why “Foxy” did this. Though he has said himself in the past he tends to say stupid things . That’s not actually great for someone who’s putting themselves forward as the great warrior. Dan “blackmailer” Wooton is in serious shit as it’s turned from needing employment… Read more »

Un

But that’s a prime example of how something can be turned toxic when all said and done it was just a sweet kids film. Yeah it was overtly politicised but I found it was more than fair on the kens. Even if it was accidental. That Margot Robbie needs a new agent though. She’s becoming seriously type cast as cartoon characters.

Siddeeq

Im Not surprised Markymark thinks sexualizing elderly family women long dead is funny.

Same hypocrisy as living in a society where government collect billions in taxes from porn industry and commercial sex work while chastisizing the rest of the world with empty words like feminism and misogyny

Markymark

Lens 0 – Arsenal- 2 ! Cmon you gunners

Un

Marky I agree with much of your last two posts. It kind of serves my point. There’s so much nuance and middle ground being missed so that an actual sensible debate or discussion is bypassed while appealing to outrage mobs and click bait. And everyone is guilty of it I enjoy seeing lefties lose their shit over trump or Tate’s trigger sessions. It’s entertaining. But it’s ultimately divisive. Ava evans or santini or whatever she calls herslef is no different. Just a sad spiteful little girl who wants to insult the big boys and gets mullered every time she steps… Read more »

Doublethink

Can anyone tell me what a leftist/globalist is or believes?

China1

Doublethink Leftist: -open borders -soft on crime -pro gender ideology including surgeries for minors -new wave feminism -disliking of whiteness by default and white men even more so -pro high taxation -pro abortion -pro welfare state -pro drug legalization Far right: -Absolute opposite of all the above I find both ends equally unappealing myself because the world exists in shades grey and those two ends approach all issues from black vs white. We centrists appear to be a dying breed. One side is comfortable with the chemical and surgical castration of children and male rapists being allowed in women’s prisons,… Read more »

Ollie

China

Well said, I completely agree. Both sides are so moronic it’s beyond belief.

However, something Un said is completely on the money – the more extreme (or stupid) your view is, the more likely it is you’ll get airtime. These entrenched positions also serve to make the other sides even more extreme in their views to counter the other sides views. It’s a cycle that’s only getting worse. Sensible, middle of the ground views are being silenced.

Jonnygunner

China…interesting that you use leftist- and then far right. How are right leaning people considered far right?

Dissenter

China1
The fact that you think leftists believe in those things outs you as not so centrist
Why don’t you ask the so called leftist what he/she stands for, that’s what truly independently minded people do, not incorrectly label the position of others to massage you own ego.

China1

100% Ollie As well another thing Un touched on which is right is that a lot of the extreme ends are born out of people feeling pushed to those extremes Andrew rate wouldn’t be popular if there wasn’t a seriously disaffected young male population which felt (rightly) left behind in modern society Equally people probably wouldn’t be so scared of offending people by honestly answering questions as simple as ‘what is a woman?’ If we hadn’t seen so many minorities and under classes oppressed throughout history. Now people are over compensating by going to the other extreme way and oppressing… Read more »

Dissenter

It’s very wide spectrum that’s probably issue-specific
Some people are economically conservative but more liberal regarding specific social issues.
Most people are just all over the place on the spectrum, depending on the issues.

Never understood why it’s concretely reduced to left and right.
Good people inform themselves of issues, then give others the benefit of doubt because where we’re coming from often dictates where we start from on that spectrum.

Tom

There are more than a few on here massaging their own egos.
Nit Sid though. We all know what part of himself he massages.

China1

I mean honestly the NHS, one of Britains greatest ever creations, is on its knees and it’s paying people to rewrite the medical discriminate because biology may offend people who don’t like their own biology

How about we spend those desperately needed resources on trying to improve the system rather than trying to cancel proof it…

Can you imagine how our country would fare if we had to roll back the clock to WW2 times? People would’ve been refusing to sign up to fight unless the army provided vegan friendly rations.

Belfast Gooner

Please leave Saka in the stand. Forget to pack his kit and boots or something. Just give the lad’s body a chance to rest.

China1

Medical dictionary*

Markymark

Sid – it was never ever my intention to say I bet that an 80 year old thatch gives Sid the horn. This is not Derek and Clive you know when they were discussing the deceased John Paul 11 . No I simply stated that Sid may have had sexual attraction to a very much alive handbag swinging Big Thatch. Just like much of her cabinet like Cecil for instance. I hope this clears things up for the brotherhood of Sidd.

Doublethink

Not sure I agree all of that but assuming I did how would that intersect with globalism?

Dissenter

An example is health care
The American right believes that the UK right are left wing idiots for ever supporting a national health service
The UK right on the other hand, most likely cannot fathom why the right to bear arms freely with little restrictions is considered by the American right to be determinant of one’s leanings.

That’s why the entire left-right labeling doesn’t make much sense.

Siddeeq

Tom, im feeling philanthropic, im offering you that body part of mine to massage

China1

No dissenter, which one of those items is not aligned with the far left?

People on the left who don’t support most or all of those things are considerate moderate lefts

What I listed above is the widely accepted doctrine of the far left just as the absolute opposite is the widely understood far right

which of the points I made does the far left typically disagree with?

China1

I was far left myself until I left the UK

But the far left now is largely unrecognizable to me from that which I grew up believing in

Doublethink

I do you think reparations in general are silly or just the ones proposed in San Francisco?

Doublethink

Do you think reparations in general are silly or just the ones proposed in San Francisco?*

Bob N16

Far left and far right do not deserve the attention they get. As with most things in life, finding the middle ground usually makes most sense.

Markymark

Right leaning individuals concentrate on outcomes and their resultant anger can be provoked by an outcome they don’t like and that deviates from what they perceive and can rightly be perceived as a common good ( let’s say shop lifting) Left leaning individuals concentrate on inputs and are angrier about blocks that occur at this point. They then point to a failed outcome as being a result of the unbalanced causation and will tend to be less angry at the outcome but may be more down the line of well what did you expect? Sometimes this will lead to real… Read more »

Tom

Andrew Tate has a 6million Twitter following, while the Kardashians’ sits at nearly 80 million. What if for all this leftist, rightist talk, all this really boils down to is the fascination with people who’ve managed to monetize fame by people unwilling to put in hard yards in shitty jobs to achieve something better later on. According to the LA Times 50 million people world-wide consider themselves content providers, aka influencers, and it is the quickest growing small business type around. I had to Google Tate, since I had no fucking idea who he was, but all I needed to… Read more »

Siddeeq

Bob N16, on the fence, makes no sense, no offense

FB

Markymark

I do like a little of what you say, but you do sound very institutionalised and a little un-worldly.

I imagine you may be a public sector worker in a cosmopolitan city. Islington perhaps? 🙂

Doublethink

I think you’d have to be more specific when referring to higher taxes and being soft on crime because the higher tax argument is usually aimed at the highest earners. The crime one depends on which type of crime, financial/political/sexual I don’t think the left would look to kindly on that but in contrast look at the treatment Tate and Trump are getting from the right after being charged with multiple crimes. I’m not sure I’ve seen any prominent figure call for open borders but I could be wrong. Is there anyone reasonably popular that believes most of those things… Read more »

Dissenter

Ronald Reagan was once the doyen of American conservatism but right now his political stances would make him left of center politician. That’s why I don’t buy the right-left nonsense
It depends on location, the political climate yon reside under, the local politics etc

Markymark

Dissenter makes a point which was also well explained in the coming storm podcast. It can be unhelpful to explain things down an extreme left / right lines of separation. Both elements want to dismantle the post war consensus. Ultimately I’m a post war consensus type of guy so my politics are simply the degree of difference between left and right in that consensus. Coming to a place near you soon though is the Donny and Suella show who want that torn away. It remains to be seen if the Republicans and the Conservatives may have to split as they… Read more »

Siddeeq

Borders (land enclosure) is an invention of tyrants, they should be ignored totally

FB

Markymark

“Prepare for a further bumpy ride” yes, you’re right about that.

UK is now effectively a one party state. Globalist Liberal Davos Elite types.

Both Tory and Labour parties will fragment over the course of the next term.

Dissenter

China1 No, you’re resorting to stereotypes, classical political tropes and straw men to define your self as centrist Those positions you placed on the ‘left’ are just your projections. Do you even know anyone who’s leftist? If you do and you ask that individual if that what is believed. , he/she will consider it a smear The true centrist position is a listening and learning stance. You don’t define people wrongly so that you can feel good about yourself. By the way, no one is a centrist on all issues. There are bound to be issues where you will fit… Read more »

FB

Sid

Borders exist for one reason only. Defined areas for taxation.

Bob N16

Sid, does to me! It’s not all left or all right, nuance…..that’s not fence sitting, it’s about not just accepting binary positions in the majority of situations.

Belfast Gooner

The political spectrum that gave us the idea of left and right has largely become outdated. Politics has changed. There are still elements of the old left-right worldviews and the media still, somewhat lazily, tries to define issues and thinking in that way. But politics in the last couple of decades has increasingly become framed between authoritarian and libertarian, and variations in between. And we will see more arguments about democracy itself and populism, as voters want elected politicians to act as their delegates and follow their wishes, while the elected see themselves as given a mandate to vote for… Read more »

FB

Belfast

“All that said, please please please don’t let Saka be played tonight.”

Amen to that

I’d like to see Trossard and Nelson to add fresh legs

China1

I believe all reparations based off historical atrocities from hundreds of years ago for which nobody is even alive to benefit from are silly And the main reason is that it supposes that there is one set of wrong doers and one set of victims which make it all workable In reality every group of every civilization on the planet bar none has at various times been persecuted, raped, pillaged murdered, enslaved etc. 100% of the people on the planet descend from the persecuted. Where do the reparations stop? I’m British (evil global oppressor who should pay reparations money to… Read more »

China1

As well if descendants of slaves in America would like reparations from the US gov I’d also hope that they expect the same from the African countries they came from, many of which sold those slaves to the European traders in the first place

They will be consistent with this ask…. Won’t they….?

Jonnygunner

England took it from the Celts China..don’t forget about us! 😉

China1

Dissenter you’re absolutely wrong mate I do know many extreme leftists, I have several old friends who fit into that category as I was one myself until I left the UK. Some people I love dearly but strongly disagree with them on most issues Being a centrist doesn’t mean anything about listening and not judging, it’s about not aligning yourself at one extreme end of the spectrum or the other Case in point – I am in favour of trans people to be able to dress and behave as the opposite sex and do surgeries etc as long as they… Read more »

China1

Sorry Johnny!! I’d send you some money but I’m busy calculating what my son, who is 1/2 Han Chinese, 1/4 white English and 1/4 Semitic should be paying/receiving to/from others when he grows up 😅

China1

Also dissenter if you don’t talk with any people who live up to the leftist stereotype then it just means your social circle is more moderate I was once called ‘a colonialist’ by an old friend in an argument because I said Falkland islanders consider themselves British lol The far left is very real, I can assure you. I would’ve probably still been that guy if I never left the UK as well. I was basically a communist before I left. And yes very ironic that I came to China and moved from far left communist to centrist. But living… Read more »

Henley Gooner

Tonight’s team should be…..
Goalie
Tomy, Kiwior +2
Jorginho, El Neny
Havertz, Viera, ESR (otherwise, what’s the point) Nelson (ditto),
Trossard.

WengerEagle

Jesus Christ, is there not a game and football tonight to talk about?

😂

GD4

“ As well if descendants of slaves in America would like reparations from the US gov I’d also hope that they expect the same from the African countries they came from, many of which sold those slaves to the European traders in the first place” China you’d best be advised to stick to football. This is ignorance on the highest level. First of all how dya know which of those slaves were actually sold and not captured? Who defined the entity as Africa? You, him or her? Africa is a foreign concept to the natives who saw themselves at the… Read more »

raptora

A little off-topic football related comment.

Thomas Partey being welcomed back to Arsenal training yesterday is the best video you’ll see today.
https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1708831411090710802

raptora

Also:
No player in Arsenal’s Premier League history has won more points per game than William Saliba.
Since August 2022, #AFC have won 77% of their league matches with him. Without him, they have won 46%.

Not going to lie, this stat is pretty wild.

salparadisenyc

Jesus seems like a nice moment for some Pulp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM

salparadisenyc

FFS Pete get on tech support to click that embed video button.

Doublethink

I mean if the money made from slavery could be traced back to the Africans that sold them I don’t see why they wouldn’t. Generational wealth was built with the help of slavery how can you see no one today benefits from it. It has also been paid all throughout history to different groups of people so I don’t think it’s as ridiculous as you’re suggesting although I’m not sure it would be practical.

I’m not having it that Reagan would be center left today Dis, unless you know something I don’t which is highly probable 😅.

Foxy

the UK doesn’t need any more left or right ideology at the moment we just need competent boring governance that will balance the interest of all citizens and the environment.

Foxy

Thomas Partey being welcomed back to Arsenal training yesterday is the best video you’ll see today.
https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1708831411090710802

almost another training ground injury there!!