ARSENAL – INDIVIDUAL ERRORS AND LACK OF KILLER INSTINCT COST WIN

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A draw in the North London Derby is never a bad day out, but this one stings and feels a little like a loss. Dramatic? Maybe. We’ve gotten so used to dishing out home beatings to Spurs it’s become expected we’ll put them to the sword. But it wasn’t to be. The result, upon reflection, wasn’t far off fair and the blame for the dropped points fell squarely on Arsenal again.

We didn’t kill Spurs when we had a gluttony of chances.

We didn’t defend well enough at home, again.

Arteta didn’t have his best day out if I’m totally honest. Pre-game, we found out that we’d lost another key player to another soft tissue injury. Leandro Trossard limped out of training with a minor hamstring problem, it’s not going to be a monster layoff, but the fact he tweaked something isn’t good – because as you’ll know if you’ve read here for the last 16 years > soft tissue injuries are preventable because they’re usually attributed to fatigue / overtired players.

Thomas Partey (groin at training)

Martinelli (hamstring in the first half)

Trossard (hamstring in training)

Declan Rice (back tweak during game)

One of my biggest fears when we earned Champions League was how Mikel Arteta would handle three games a week. We know he likes to train like an absolute brute, he’s on record multiple times talking about the expectations he has on players to essentially man up and get on with the demands of the game. Well, that’s all well and good until you start getting injuries to key players inside 10 games.

Our players did not look up to the physical challenge, particularly in the second half. Eddie Nketiah, who had a horrible game, looked like he was running through treacle for the full 90 he was on the pitch. You can caveat that with ‘Spurs didn’t have a European game’, but for me, it’s deeper than that because of the injuries. We’re a very young squad, players have been signed for their robustness, and they are dropping like flies.

Declan Rice coming off at halftime also felt like a bit of a warning sign. This is one of the most robust players in the league, he played for West Ham who don’t tolerate wet lettuce behavior, yet he’s asking to be taken off at halftime in a derby game.

“He had some discomfort in his back,”

“He was telling us during the first half that he was uncomfortable and when we assessed him at half-time he could not continue, so we had to change him.”

“Hopefully not. We have to assess him. It’s strange when a player like him asks to come off because he’s uncomfortable. Hopefully not, but let’s see.”

People think I’m reading too deeply into this comment, but I promise you, this isn’t a concerned manager comment. This is Arteta thinking it’s odd that a player who merely has ‘discomfort’ would ask to come off at halftime. I will put money on it Rice is ok and this comment was directly aimed at him – not us. The manager expects everyone to be like Ben White, a player who’d be embarrassed to ask for a stitch if he’d cut his leg off in war, before demanding to be let onto the pitch. The problem is Arteta doesn’t really have empathy skills – we’d call him empathy-divergent in New York HR circles. We all love that in some moments, but the manager is getting a bit of a rep for being cold. There are memes going around that Arteta is going to get a second team dog to keep Win on his paws – it’s all good banter right now, but look at EtH getting beasted at United as players turn against his harsh ways.

Onto the game – it felt like an exaggeration of the problems we had last season. In the first half, we absolutely battered Spurs. We pressed them well, we set traps, the traps turned into chances, and boy did we have some chances.

Gabi Jesus struck across goal from the back post and was well denied by Vicario

Eddie sniffed out a chance but instead of cutting back to Vieira he shot and it was saved

Gabriel Jesus picked Madders pocket through the middle, powered into the area and blazed the ball over

We weren’t calm when making the final action and we only ended the half with one goal instead of 3.

To make matters worse, we had a bit of a team calamity before the half ended allowing Spurs to level.

David Raya was too short to catch a looping chip to his back post, he scooped the ball into the path of Son, Son shot and it was saved. Maddison picked up the ball, Saka lunged and missed, he was turned, the #8 powered into the area, found Son… bang. One chance. One goal.

Arsenal didn’t really arrive for the second half despite changing Rice for Jorginho and Vieira for Havertz. We did get a penalty, Romero handballing a Ben White shot. Saka scored with a simple down-the-middle strike.

It wasn’t enough though. Before I could even type DON’T DO ANYTHING DUMB we had performed a remarkable piece of jawdropping dumb. Jorginho, one of our most ball-secure players, was isolated as the last man in defence. He dithered, turned, Madders took the ball away from him, charged at goal, laid in Son, and the rest is history.

The game finished 2 apiece and that was probably fair considering some of the chances Spurs missed.

We deserved what we got. 2-2 isn’t a shocking result in an NLD. But it should feel like 2 points dropped considering how well we did in the opening 35 minutes.

Some concluding points…

Arsenal lack blood lust – when there’s hemoglobin in the water, we’re like a captive goldfish… not one of those killer orcas out in the wild fucking up small fishing boats whilst killing sharks as a side hustle. Part of that is a lack of experience – part of that might be a talent issue.  We’ve tried plenty of options, but it still doesn’t feel title winning. We’re a 90+ goal a season team – but the problem right now is where and when those goals come. In a North London derby, they’ve got to come early, so you don’t get stung. Against Fulham, the same thing, if you miss big chances, you leave the game open.

City don’t really do that – they kill. Because they have an ocean monster upfront.

I don’t like the aggressive slander of Eddie. He had a bad game, sure. There’s no defending the decision he took early on in the game. It was selfish. But this is a player who was legitimately keeping out Gabi J a week ago / landed an England call-up. There’s no player in the team that falls from grace quicker – and that’s really unfair for a striker that is a rotation option. Still, he has to raise his game and keep up the pressure with goals when he gets the chance. He wasn’t really a threat today despite it being a really open game.

Arsenal needs a different type of striker at some point and I hope it’s someone like Ivan Toney. We need someone that can occupy defenders, hold the ball up, offer an aerial threat we don’t have, and give us a bit of nasty up top. There’s no way Arsenal will not compete for his signature in January, especially considering him purring at us on that podcast, and the fact he’ll be reasonably priced due to the 18 months left on his deal.

Defensively, we have a problem at home. Players switch off. We do silly things. We concede a lot of goals. It can’t be the atmosphere, but it’s something Arteta is going to have to get to grips with. You shouldn’t need to score 3 goals to win at home. But that’s how it feels at the moment.

David Raya is clearly the new Arsenal #1, but based on what he offered today, it didn’t feel like an upgrade on Aaron Ramsdale. It just felt like more of the same. Arteta made a big decision to ruffle the squad feathers with a move for a new keeper, it made sense, but we need to see a better offering than the one we saw against Spurs. The kicking was the bit that wasn’t clicking for me. 66% pass completion wasn’t great, it was at about 50% at around 60 minutes. We didn’t upgrade for that type of output. The goal wasn’t his fault, but in the first phase, when he scooped into danger, it’s hard not to apportion that as a mistake. Arteta said he was going to rotate keepers this season – will Aaron get into the Bournemouth game if he has a worldie against Brentford? Doubt it. Arteta knows a keeper needs 20 games to settle – but he better hope that was a blip, because Aaron’s career didn’t die for that performance today.

There is a tendency to go off at the deep end after every result that isn’t perfect. Kai Havertz seems to bear the load after any sort of issue. He’ll come good. It’s a struggle to see it at the moment, but there’s too much ability in there for him not to click. The thing that’s missing is output in the final third. The rest of his game is great. But fans don’t want to have to tune into a tactico nerd blog post to find out if a player had a good game. They want to see incisive passes and shots on target. Kai isn’t giving that to us right now so the doom merchants are calling time on him like they have done nearly every player in our squad.

Perspective FC has us one point worse off than where we were last season. There’s a lot of change going off in our squad and there are a lot of games left to play. A draw against Spurs doesn’t feel sexy, but the most important thing was not to lose. We have two games to get back into shape. Brentford will be one for the fringe players, then we have Bournemouth away, Lens away in the CL, followed by City at home. Worth noting that City has 4 away games in a row… we’ll be the 4th.

We should have a decent squad to choose from for that game. So don’t get too upset about players missing. No one will be out for a serious amount of time. The City game should be our best players against there best players.

Ok, short one today, get on the latest podcast.


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Naija+soccer

Wow those are some bad stats.
Hopefully with Jesus coming back our general and link up play will improve. Also this is what I meant earlier when I said Trossard and ESR should share minutes with Martinelli. I bet you if Trossard had started some games this season, our chance creation stats will be much improved.

Zacharse

barney ronay “Almost everywhere on the pitch it feels as if Arsenal are nearly there but not quite, upgrades either needed or bought and not yet settled. Above all there is the conundrum of Havertz. Since he left Bayer Leverkusen in the summer of 2020 nobody, not a string of Chelsea managers nor Arteta, has quite worked out what to do with him. That he is a supremely gifted footballer seems beyond doubt, but where does he fit? What is he for? Everywhere there are questions for Arsenal and most involve Havertz. If Arsenal beat City is a couple of… Read more »

MidwestGun

Pierre literally blames Odegaard for everything.. under the sun.. hilariously sad.

Odegaard’s fault our striker’s miss… Odegaard’s fault Jorginho makes an error…..Odegaard’s fault Eddie was a bit shit. . Odegaard’s fault he isn’t trying to be Ozil now, apparently.

Which is what it really boils down to in the end. You need help dude, perhaps an intervention?

Naija+soccer

Midwest

You can’t deny that Odegaard has a tendency to go missing in big games quite often. Contrast that to KDB.

salparadisenyc

There is no question that Pierre has a voodoo doll of Ødegaaard next to his bed covered in pin pricks.
Meanwhile Ozil’s stands pristine not a prick on him.

The irony.

Freddie Ljungberg

Ode can disappear sometimes in big games when he’s not afforded any time and space at all, that’s why we needed someone on the left that can do the same things he can, preferably with a little bit more pace and vertical dribbling.

Instead we got Havertz that is apparently only good off the ball and can’t finish his lunch.

We had the same problem last season with not creating enough in some games, late or lucky goals to get the points. We can’t keep relying on penalties and deflections to win.

Freddie Ljungberg

“Meanwhile Ozil’s stands pristine not a prick on him.”

Bet there’s at least one prick on him quite frequently…

Goobergooner

Gotta say gd4 doing a massive backflip on Arteta and trying to be rational is hilarious reading

Madhu

Tell me after a mid week game do players get the next day off for rest and recovery or they go straight back to training. Looks like something is not working with so many injuries. Hoping the root cause analysis would be done. Haven’t seen any reports regarding the same

gunnerman

I just figured it out. Why we’re persevering with Eddie instead of buying his replacement.

It’s so obvious when you think about it… we’re signing Mbappe.

Wicked Willy

For those wanting Toney, this is quite sobering…
https://x.com/scottjwillis/status/1706424944773771696?s=20

Wicked Willy

Digging deeper, Toney only has 10 open play goals in two seasons. I think we can do so much better than that.

China1

Imo we sorely missed Martinelli and Trossard vs spurs Both for different reasons are a huge goal threat and I think if either one or both had been there we’d have done the job On lighter note, I saw on sky sports they’ve put up Chelsea’s next 10 games and it makes for glorious reading Brighton twice City Arsenal Newcastle Utd Spurs Those are the harder games The ‘easy’ games are Brentford Fulham Burnley Now can anyone tell me confidently Chelsea will win more than 3 or 4 of those 10 games? If they don’t arrest this death spiral shariah… Read more »

Davey

Pierre still banging it’s not the strikers fault posting in the middle of the night, Ode never had his best game on Sunday for sure but in 2 games running in the prem Eddie has hardly touched the ball and made 6 passes in 110 mins of football Sunday let that sink in.

Wicked Willy

China

I’m totally here for it! They could easily be on 13
Points after 16 games which would be a disaster for them. My understanding is they need CL qualification to stay on the right side of FFP. If they finish day tenth then they’re gonna be bang in trouble.

Do they sack the manager? Try and go in another spending drive? Do they lose sponsorship? Do the fan base start going mental? After what they’ve done to English football, it would be delicious to see them flounder in mid-table obscurity

Un

Eddie isn’t good enough

China1

Re Toney he’s definitely good and different to what we’ve got. He’d be an upgrade on Eddie But I think the real question should be is he an amazing striker? I’m not sure he’s that. Ignoring Haaland and Mbappe, teams which win the league normally have a top class CF – Henry, van Nistelrooy, van Persie, Rooney, Lewa, Kane, shearer, benzema…these types of players Jesus is a fantastic player but if you don’t feel 80% confident of a goal when your striker gets a great chance then he’s not the guy who will fire us to the title (tho he… Read more »

Northbanker

Pierre – a number of not great performances but by far the worst was Nketiah

Although Havertz competed for that title second half

Davey

Eddie is Brentford level at best

Mr Serge

Eddie is decent at best we don’t upgrade him we don’t compete at the top table.

X haka

If Mick gets Toney, that’s me done with him.
Ferguson of Brighton is clearly better and more refined.

What happens if Toney starts gambling again?

And before people say, he will not.
He is an addict.
He also gives off Andy Carroll or Benteke vibes.

Davey

Maybe if we had kept the 34m on Vieira and 65m on super Kai 2 players we didn’t need and spent 100m on a top striker we might just might be in a better place.

TheLegendaryDB10

I mentioned Toney because Pedro and some of you mentioned him. The type of player I really have in mind is somewhere in between a Sanchez type and a Drogba type of player. We need someone who can be strong and can be a bit of a bully upfront who has some level of class and who can win you games by themselves through sheer perseverance when the going gets tough. I can only agree that if Toney is a gambling addict, then no thank you. But it’s a player in his mold that we need and not a featherweight… Read more »

Pierre

Davey “Eddie has hardly touched the ball and made 6 passes in 110 mins of football Sunday let that sink in.” Odegaard hasn’t created one big chance this season ….let that sink in . As for Eddie ، I said at the time he should have been taken off at half time as he was having an off day . Personally I would have taken off Odegaard as well as he was a liability، he was in a dream world when tottenham scored their first ، just stood their watching as Maddison took the ball ، no effort ، no… Read more »

raptora

Maddison was by far the easiest and obvious transfer we could have made this summer.

I’m not saying I pushed for him, I didn’t, but if Artedu wanted him, the whole transfer would have taken exactly 1 day. Maddison would have been over the moon to play for us.

At £40m and £170k pw, he would have been far cheaper and he would have done far better than Kai has so far.

Nothing is certain for the future though. Maybe Kai will find his place and will become a bigger success than Madders. We’ll see. I hope Arteta knows best.

Davey

Sorry CBA getting in a debate Pierre, Ode is our captain and has been a fantastic player for us. EDDIE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ARSENAL!!!!!!!!

Wicked Willy

Yes I hope so to Rap. If Kai was the profile we were after, perhaps Maddison isn’t it? It’s impossible to ignore how ideal Bellingham would have been, C’est la bloody vie. Can’t think of too many others who fit that bill. Let’s see how things shake out and we can all litigate the whys and wherefores in due course.

Pierre

Xhaka
“If Mick gets Toney, that’s me done with him.
Ferguson of Brighton is clearly better and more refined.”

Ferguson would be the one to get but obviously will come at a price، will probably break the transfer record.

Pierre

Raptora “I’m not saying I pushed for him, I didn’t, but if Artedu wanted him, the whole transfer would have taken exactly 1 day. Maddison would have been over the moon to play for us.” Not signing Maddison is a decision that we will regret، before the game at the weekend it was considered a contest between Odegaard and Maddison as to who is the more creative and influential player ، I think it’s fair to say that Maddison won hands down…..although Odegaard did run around a lot ، I’m not sure where he was running to when tottenham scored… Read more »

Goobergooner

I think the thing with havertz for me is I was disappointed the chavs got him when they did and I was happy that he didn’t really light it up for them. Now he’s ours I really do want my own words shoved back down my throat I just don’t think it will happen. Jesus really should have put his shot on target after dispossessing Maddison. That was a proper howler. In regards to Eddie taking a shot instead of playing it back; vierra, in my view, was just a tad late into the box compared to where Eddie was… Read more »

Un

35m raya
£67m Havertz
£35m timber

£140m that, as of now, hasn’t moved the needle
Could have had Jude with change to spare

raptora

Jude wouldn’t have joined. I mean Real vs Arsenal is not even close as much as we love our club.

Samesong

I can only agree that if Toney is a gambling addict, then no thank you He’s not a gambling addict now. His charges against were between 2017-2021 He wasn’t involved in any match fixing either. Just betting for himself to score first and when he didn’t play betting against a loss. The problem with le grove is they are quick to give you stats about how good Havertz can become. But deny that Toney was the 3td highest goal scorer in the league last season with 20 goals. Penalties are goals also. On the eye test Toney is ready for… Read more »

NORG

Ivan Toney – a bully type striker weighs 72kg when fit and is 6′ 1″. ESR is 6′ and weighs in at 79kg.

Un

Rap

Probably not but it’s still £140m that hasn’t improved us as of today
I have little doubt that timber and Havertz will become very good players for us when they are fit and firing but today they offer little on the pitch
Same with raya
Not sure he was worth £35m right now

raptora

NORG,
Eye test is important. He was a handful for Saliba but so was Mitrovic. Doesn’t mean Mitrovic has the class to play for us. I’m just thinking out loud.

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

We haven’t paid more than a small loan fee for Raya so you’re about 30m off.

G

Can’t read much into that considering Raya has played 2 games and Timber similar..

Un

Freddie
You sure? I heard that bandied about for a day or two then they went back to the £35m fee

Un

Freddie
Right you are
I stand corrected
Just checked
Ok that’s great business
Crazy Brentford would allow that though
If he is unsuccessful

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

its a year loan with option to buy for 35m, at least that seems to be the consensus everywhere.

Un

G

I did say that I fully expect Havertz and timber to become very good players for us when they are fit and firing but right now it’s not showing on the pitch

Un

Rap

For most players moving to real is a bad move due to the sink or swim pressure there but for Jude it’s duck to water territory
He’s where he belongs
He and Haaland are the players of this generation
They are in their own league
Mbappe just below

duvee

Last year there was so much positivity and optimism, everyone buzzing, great atmosphere etc. This year, because Havertz hasn’t started well, everything is different, manager has lost it, Raya isn’t the answer, Timber injury is the fault of our training regime etc. We are a fickle bunch!

Josip Skoblar

We have not had a proper No9 who is strong, fast, can dribble and score from outside the box in a long time. The last proper bully boys we had playing in that position were Ian Wright, Nicolas Anelka and Robin Van Persie to a lesser extent. Giroud was strong and skilful but painfully slow. It is time to identify the next WC centre forward. We do need a strong No9 who can score 25+ goals per season. We ain’t winning trophies without one.

Trilbilly

Every time I read Pedro write about this team being inexperienced I die a little inside.

Mikel Coneteta

Ivan Toney isn’t a baby Haaland, he wouldn’t be coming here to score 30 goals. That myth about him or any other potential striker needs killed off sharp. They don’t exist in the current climate. The only players in Europe to score around 30 league goals last season were Haaland (36), Kane (30), and Mbappe (29). Arsenal lack a CF to compete with Jesus and make it so when he’s not playing we are still as potent, as threatening, as dynamic a unit. Ivan Toney fits that billing because his hold up play, aerial threat, duel dominance, and attitude is… Read more »

raptora

A decent bunch in here read what Gambon, the guy who has less patience than a newborn child, has said and blindly repeat it. It’s not that simple and you know it. Spuds had a 25-30 goal per season striker and what exactly have they won? Man City didn’t have one before Haaland and I think their trophy cabinet has been bursting lately. Who was Liverpool’s goal machine CF in their fantastic team in recent years? If we compare Mane, Firmino, Salah to Martinelli, Jesus, Saka our boys need maybe 1 more season to reach that level. Pool’s squad as… Read more »

X haka

If we are going for a player like Toney and all his chronic gambling issues, better to have kept Balogun?

Ferguson and De Zerbi would be the dream ticket
Ferguson reminds me of Harry Kane.
Toney reminds me of one of the Fashanu Bros.

jwl

Select stats with Eddie Nketiah starting and not starting over this season plus last. 2.3 – Goals when Nketiah does not start 2.1 – Goals when Nketiah starts 2.1 – Arsenal’s xG when Nketiah does not start 2.0 – Arsenal’s xG when Nketiah starts 11.2 – Shots from open play when Nketiah does not start 12.1 – Shots from open play when Nketiah starts 1.5 – Open play xG when Nketiah does not start 1.5 – Open play xG when Nketiah starts 36.5 – Touches in the box when Nketiah does not start 37.9 – Touches in the box when… Read more »

raptora

Big lol at blaming the reserve CF, who’s done a good job for us, for our troubles. If he wasn’t that good Arteta had Trossard, Martinelli, Kai (who’s had his best game imo for us vs City) and could have played in his spot. Should rather redirect the blame to Arteta I guess. Also, it’s rather fanciful to blame Eddie for the stats we don’t do well at. Every player matters but surely the others should be able to produce stuff regardless of how horrible Eddie is, no? This reminds me of blaming Fofana for Leicester missing on CL football… Read more »

raptora

jwl with the touchdown!

The whole thesis is burned to the ground.

Un

Rap
Fair point and one with which I agree which is why I’d prefer to see Havertz as an alternative to Jesus rather than Eddie as his style causes more disruption in the box and creates room for others

LoveSausage

Coneteta, Eddie’s influence is a part of the problem but it’s not just that. I’d add two more issues to the list. For some reason we seem to consistently play with too many touches. I’ve heard some people suggest that it’s a tactic from Arteta to create more control and minimize turnovers. IMO, it just makes us slow and cumbersome. By the time we get the ball out to our wide forwards, they always have two defenders against them. The second issue is Havertz. Left 8 simply isn’t working. You can’t keep creating the same amount of chances when you’re… Read more »

raptora

Something about Jesus. He is chaos, he even said himself that in an interview. I would have liked for the chaos to be organized into achieving a goal. All his huff and puff without the end product of assist or a goal is basically down to waste. Someone who he resembles is Alexis. The Chilean, however, knew how to focus his energy and chaos into producing goals and assists. Arteta and the team have to work on that a lot because there is a star in there in Jesus but even against Spuds, he was making all the right things,… Read more »

Dissenter

We’ve been terrible this season regarding big chance creations, right now we are about 37 and 35 big chance creations behind Liverpool and city respectively. That’s the main issue we have, not Eddie the vilified. We don’t really control territory even with good possession and don’t do creative things with the ball when we have possession. Arteta used the first three games for experimenting. then there was the transition from Partey to Rice, Rice has been excellent in every metric except for setting up Ode in positions where he can do his thing. He’s a super athlete who breaks up… Read more »

Un

Jwl

Those stats include europa games and yes we did manage very well last season while Jesus was out but we had trossard
Now we don’t

Dissenter

I also think it was criminally negligent to leave Saka on when he was injured and could barely walk at a time when we have so many players already injured.

Arteta needs to sort out some of his demons about player’s hardiness. Keeping Saka on under those circumstances was tantamount to pushing Partey back in the 2020 NLD.

That was poor management because he know so many are already out.

Davey

Spot on post Mikel

Mikel Coneteta

Raptora Unsurprising that you’re digging your heels in over Eddie given you’ve been praising him to the high heavens all season. Big LOL that as ever you’re on the wrong side of judging a situation/player. No, he shouldn’t be in the XI, make you feel better? I’ve said I’d have Havertz at CF over Eddie until Jesus is back, so I’m no fan of Arteta playing the lad outside of 20 min cameos to bring fresh legs. Still doesn’t alter the fact he isn’t good enough for Arsenal and needs replaced in the squad if beating Man City to a… Read more »

jwl

raptora – it was interesting read, guy who wrote agrees with Pierre that Eddie had bad game, but so did all our attacking players, while Ode was worst. Our attack is not working correctly yet, we still disjointed compared to last season, Arteta needs to fix how our offense is interacting with one another.

Thorough

I’m even scared we get Toney. Every single time we buy a player to move us forward Arteta gets confused and destroys the team even further. If there’s something we can all agree is working it’s our wings, be it Saka, Martinelli, Trossard or Reece. What if we buy Tony and Arteta decides to gift Gabriel Jesus a sure start on the wings and let the other players fight for the other spot? It’s a long short but with Arteta anything is possible. Everything about GJ suggests he should be an 8 or a more forward 10. Who wanna bet… Read more »

jwl

The stats prove that hating Eddie is misguided, Un, he is our second striker and there’s not much fall off in overall performance when Nketiah plays. Jesus is the problem because he doesn’t score enough as our #1 but he quality player obviously so we expect miracles from #2.

raptora

jwl: “Jesus is the problem because he doesn’t score enough as our #1 but he quality player obviously so we expect miracles from #2.” That’s something I actually agree with. Jesus is top player on paper, but it’s time he starts showing it. We talk about Saka, Marti, Ode about how talented we are in attack, but where is Jesus in all of this? Top player that isn’t giving us the top player gains you’d expect of a top player. I love him, I pushed hard for him, but it’s time he starts showing it because if he wants to… Read more »

NORG

Raptora

Alexis had an assist master feeding him. When in Chile he would heap praise on you know who.

Dissenter

Ask anyone which of these three Hale End graduates has the highest ceiling; ESR, Reece and Eddie? I’m pretty sure no one selects Eddie over ESR or Reece That’s why I don’t get why Arteta has become so Eddie focused, maybe Eddie is the king of trainings. When your midfield has been overrun on Sunday at at time of big chance creation famine, and you still insist on playing that striker that relies on service from others…then the blame is on the manager. He doesn’t rate either ESR or Reece as highly as Eddie and may be oblivious to the… Read more »

Mikel Coneteta

“We don’t really control territory even with good possession and don’t do creative things with the ball when we have possession.“ Yes we do, our field tilt (ie where we spend most of the game) is as follows this season: vs Spurs 65% vs Everton 83.8% vs United 81.2% vs Fulham 90.4% vs Palace 50.4% vs Forrest 82.8% We’ve been camped in opponents halves all season. The lack of cutting edge comes primarily from a CF who can’t disrupt, move, duel, for himself or his teammates to make room to work in and turn that threat into chances created. The… Read more »

raptora

Jesus is often injured for a while, then needs another while to regain his form, to then get injured again. In the end we’ve banked our CF position to a player who has helped us a lot, I’m not saying something else, but someone who needs to both remain injury-free for a longer time and also give us end product one way or another. I hope this time he is back for good and maybe we’ll be able to see him in the best form of his life. He needs to push it a level so he’s considered a top… Read more »

Davey

The front 3 Sunday should have been ESR, Jesus, Saka and we win the game.If ESR was knackered after 60 mins then take him off but that front 3 wins you 3 points. That is a bang average Spurs side with only Maddison, Son as class.

local

If anyone out of Partey/Jorginho/Elneny is here next season, Arteta should be relieved of his duties.

MidwestGun

, while Ode was worst.
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Nope Vieira was the worst and it wasn’t even close. Hence why he got hooked at halftime. Ode had 3 key passes. and 1 shot on target that had to be saved. Vieira none of the above.

But we drew the game with Spuds because Rice got injured.. his direct replacement committed a horrible error leading to a goal when we were up 2-1.

Dissenter

Mid “But we drew the game with Spuds because Rice got injured.. his direct replacement committed a horrible error leading to a goal when we were up 2-1.” Ya, that one was 100% on Jorginho. He asked for the ball. had time to make a pass but brain farted. I do think it’s a bit tactically reckless for Arteta to make TWO midfield chances at half time, one was forced on Arteta, the other was his discretion. Managers have to trust their players, it’s like Ange trusting Udogie after he has a poor first half against Saka- the lad grew… Read more »

Gonsterous

Any truth to the rumors that we are getting Ivan Toney in Jan window?? Cause at the moment, ill take any striker.

Tony2

Interesting some1 here said earlier MA8 needs and older head who can give their opinion. Last year we had Steve Round who was MA8’s sounding block. He moved to West Ham in the summer. Dunno the guy who is Mikel’ s sounding block now. And was it Diss who said summit about psychotic? Check out malignant narcassis. Trump n Elizabeth Holmes were 2 such people. Total lack of empathy. Don’t even realise they’re doing anything wrong. Let’s hope our Arteta doesn’t fall into the same category

MidwestGun

Diss. .. Yep.. agree with all that actually. Jorginho was once voted the best player in all of Europe. You don’t get that without knowing you can’t be slow on the ball and turn blindly when your the last defender. Not only that Ben White was like 3 yards away with nobody on him. The kind of thing I used to skewer Xhaka for when he was playing DM if I’m being honest about it. Anyhow… we move on.. not like we can buy new players until January, regardless of what anyone thinks about any of our starters. So we… Read more »

salparadisenyc

It’s classic LG some players will always have a target on their back within these walls, reality is entire side was shit on Sunday, wasn’t really one player who stood out. Everyone looked knackered including the man making all the decisions.

Don’t think it was reckless to make two midfield subs at the half, just think Arteta made the wrong ones. Should of altered the formation, Jorginho doesn’t have the physicality to pin the mid solo and the entire match changed with that in a pretty drastic manner. Arteta has the tools at his disposal he just got it wrong.

raptora

Sal misses very rarely.

Gonsterous

Getting ivan Toney solves a lot of issues. We can play Jesus at RW or LW when marti or saka needs a rest. We can have Jesus in the center with toney coming off the bench. Only issue is both toney and Eddie look almost the same in terms of what they do on the pitch. Maybe ivan toney is more experienced and stronger and has better hold up play. In terms of scoring they are both the same.

MidwestGun

I felt like we should have started Reiss Nelson. Instead of trying an experiment with Eddie and Jesus. Who really haven’t played together since preseason 2 years ago. But we all have our hindsight suggestions at this point.

All I know is in the Cup game it better look like our b or c team. hahaha

Mikel Coneteta

Viewer discretion advised lol.

But below is a video compiling all our errors at home since last season. Fair to say we’ve got a habit that needs fixing, sharp. We’re a really, really good team but this propensity for making things harder at home is honestly so frustrating.

https://x.com/tumzzz05/status/1706660227762802778?s=46&t=kX5MOSw74fHSUeJjWqv6nA

Gonsterous

Sal You know where arteta went wrong? Relying on pre planned subs rather than looking at the pitch to see what changes to make. Jorginho/ havertz double sub looked so planned before the game. Then bringing off Jesus because he needed the rest instead of Eddie who was not having a great game. Do we even have a replacement for ode or is it Rob holding to hold the fort when we are 1 nil up? Can any one justify the 90+6 min sub on of ESR for Saka? It benefits no one. Esr gets no time to make an… Read more »

McBright is Wright

We all learned on a job at one time in our career, there is no harm in that as long as it turns out well eventually. But almost 4 years is a long time to keep learning. Jorginho did us – in, no doubt, but the question that needs answering are: :why was he dithering and jittery on the ball? Was it a tactical clash with practical pragmatism? Why was the highly strung jorginho so dumbfounded that a crucial moment? Is he not the same player always second-coaching by the byline? Why are mistakes ridiculing our games, match-after-match? Why is… Read more »

X haka

I thought Jorginho was bought not to play like Elneny. And then does an Elneny special

He needs dropping after that effing fiasco.
NLD and just gone 2 1 one up, absolute scandalous, but I blame the Havertz effect.
He is making everyone look pretty shit.

As previously stated , lets stop this Chelsea conveyor belt of absolute pony shit.
Havertz, Willian, Luiz Jorginho, please.

Samesong

Viewer discretion advised lol.

That was a horror movie lol

McBright is Wright

Agree with you on Ode. needing Competition.
ESR is there. Ethan can understudy both. Look at that spurs academy player, brilliant chap. Ethan has an even higher ceiling. If you don’t try, you can’t pry, and who knows if it does fry out well enough – a new gem is born.

salparadisenyc

Coneteta that was stomach turning, those edit certainly doesn’t do Ramsdale any favours.

This Havertz conversation is going to be endless and for very valid reason until its remedied.
When you look at who we could of signed to occupy that 8 role and fees they moved for its even more of a head scratcher.

My take is Arteta eventually goes way of Tuchel and moves Havertz further up into a more attacking option. Which based on who we have will likely be a sub role.

Un

Really don’t understand how people
Can’t see how stunted our play is with Eddie up
Top

Aaron

Need a CF up top who causes disruption and can create own chances. AFC are not creating enough chances, plain for all to see. Balance is all messed up, Xhaka gone and he helped create up top, Kai 0 creation up top, Rice looks to be in place of Partey, and Partey our new inverted rb. What could go wrong? Overtraining intensity, players got hurt, and now major shifts everywhere in mid and frontline and the team looks horrible again. Just because we camp in the oppositions half does not mean we create $h*te. AFC did not camp in the… Read more »

Tom

“The worst part of Jorghino’s mistake was his reaction after the goal. The fact that an experienced played like him needed so much consolation spread panic amongst his younger teammates.”

Diss, he also apologized for it after the game, which is another strike against a pro conduct as you see it ( Onana).
This might explain why you liked Xhaka so much.

Un

Mikel ConetetaSeptember 26, 2023 15:24:28
Viewer discretion advised lol. But below is a video compiling all our errors at home since last season. Fair to say we’ve got a habit that needs fixing, sharp. We’re a really, really good team but this propensity for making things harder at home is honestly so frustrating.https://x.com/tumzzz05/status/1706660227762802778?s=46&t=kX5MOSw74fHSUeJjWqv6nA

Gabriel at fault for the first 4

Mikel Coneteta

Un

By my count…

Gabriel- 2.5
Saliba – 2
Ramsdale – 2
Tomiyasu – 1
Trossard – 1
Saka – 1
Jorginho – 1
Xhaka – 0.5

raptora

Pierre was right some time ago when he said that playing CF for Arsenal is the hardest job in football (or something similar). You have to go up and down the pitch non stop. Create for yourself. Create for your teammates. Be very good at combining with your teammates. You have to press. You also have to get to the end of hopeless balls and crosses. And somehow, you are always isolated, like you have to do your own thing and there’s ample of space you have to cover cause you’re basically on your own. It’s actually mind blowing what’s… Read more »

Un

Gons

Arteta didn’t plan for rice to be injured
He clearly felt midfield of Odegaard vieira and Jorginho lacked the required physical attributes to dominate the park
4 holding midfielders at the club but only Jorginho available now
He’s a very clever player but he fucked uo there
I think it’s tactical
The players are over choreographed sometimes under Arteta and pep and it makes the game quite sterile

Un

Mikel
Gabriel 3
Ramsdale 1

Zizi

I have said it before we will win nothing this season without a proper striker. We have no one who is capable of scoring 2 goals or more except on a very rare occasion.
Neketiah is too lightweight and incapable of fulfilling that role.
Selling Xakha was a major mistake. He has played every minute for Bayer Leverkusen and they are joint top of the Bundesliga.

McBright is Wright

Same song indeed! Errors blighting our season already. A Dutch elm disease and an halo spot in our hearts. The catalogue of unending self – destruct button. I really hope Mikel wins us a major trophy. Lost a mate last year and in one of his last moment of consciousness he wished he saw us win the UCL. I’ll never forget Richard’s stare and jeer when he said; ” …ring me when we win it Ok and make sure to Photoshop me with the cup and place it in your wallet. Cos when I do see you again, I’ll be… Read more »

Un

Rap

How is our striker isolated? We play most of our game in their half
Too much too often in my opinion
We make the pitch too small and too tight and while it suits many games sometimes it pays to draw our opponents out
To do this we need players who are either an Ariel threat, are threat from long range or can dribble through players
Too much tippy tappy and over choreographed football
Eddie can do none of the above and is therefore little threat without space to move or he’s not chasing down a loose pass

Tom

Here’s a thought fellas; Arsenal’s play has lost it’s fluidity some time in the run in last season for whatever reason and we haven’t got it back yet, aside for a stretch of minutes here and there.
You can blame it on injuries, if that’s you prerogative, or individual players, if scape goating is your thing.
The Havertz Reclamation Project, curtesy of Arteta, is another perfect distraction but his omission in the starting Xl makes little difference to how effective we are as a team.

Samesong

“For comparison, you don’t see Haaland do half of this, but obviously does the running in behind and finishing part to a fantastic degree.”

Rap City have ball carriers that don’t often lose possession of the ball and can win fouls or dives to get them further up the pitch. Grealish, Silva KDB etc.

jwl

Daily Telegraph tweet –

Arteta on Saka: “He has not been able to participate [in training since the derby]. It’s a possibility [that he is unavailable for the Bournemouth game].”