ARSENAL BATTER PSV

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Arsenal welcomed themselves back into the Champions League with a backside blistering spanking of PSV. Their biggest in Champions League history. The performance was… very good.

The biggest shocker in the starting line-up was seeing David Raya on the teamsheet again. A lot of Ramsdalians collapsed on pub floors up and down the country knowing full well they’d been in my mentions and DMs telling me Raya was a passing phase. They’d been hoofing copium after he was dropped last week, knowing full well Rambo would at least get cup duties – wrong. Occam’s razor sliced their narrative with brutal precision – the simplest answer for Aaron not being in the team was always this: Arteta rates Raya over him. Though I have to say, I thought he’d give Rambo a soft landing, but it wasn’t to be.

We saw Kai back in the side, Eddie dropped out for Jesus, Trossard kept his place, and everything else was pretty strong.

Arsenal dominated from minute one until the end. We sliced PSV to pieces with beautiful build-up play that felt like choreographed chaos. The Dutch team weren’t equipped technically to deal with our talent on the ball and they couldn’t match our power.

I don’t want to explain each goal – but key facts:

Saka scored a goal and got an assist.

Trossard had another sublime finish, rekindling his pre-season form

Gabi Jesus celebrated his return to the starting 11 with another great goal

Martin Odegaard showed last season’s taste for long-range efforts was no fluke

There were lots of great individual performances. I know it’s not fashionable to say it, but Kai Havertz had a really strong game. His finishing right now absolutely stinks – it’s like watching Kaba Diawara out there – but his all-round game is getting sharper by the match and you can see the green shoots of a monster beanstalk in the making. The doutbers should get the jabs in the now, because I think claims that he’s going to be a huge waste of money will look very dated, very soon. He was good in midfield and offered a lot as a striker later in the game. Once that first big goal comes at Spurs, he’ll be up and running.

Declan Rice is just a total beast of a man. He showed his fangs last night, but also showcased his outrageous talents by pinning the midfield on his own like he’d been with us for 10 years. He has so much personality on the pitch. His range of passing and the accuracy is so sharp and I love the way he has a 6th sense for sniffing out danger. He was everywhere.

David Raya didn’t have a lot to do – but everyone in The AOP comments on Youtube said the same thing: he was great. He’s our new number one. He has an icey calmness about him the best keepers have. Some keepers want to be noticed – others don’t. Raya wants to be the Spanish iceman. He brings tranquilo to every moment, collecting crosses with no drama, picking out 70-yard passes in his stride, and making neat work of the basics. The eye-test shows you all you need to know about why Ramsdale is where he is at the moment. Even the little tactical talk Arteta gave him after the first goal told a story. What we really haven’t seen yet is a BIG game. No doubt he starts against Spurs and there will be more to deal with that he’s had in his first two games. Two clean sheets though – not bad.

Benny Blanco put in a dogged performance. He covered a lot of ground and did a lot of dirty work. He’s in an interesting space, because part of you think he might have been sitting next to Rambo right now if Timber had stayed fit… but part of you also wonders if that might have been Zinchenko? Whatever the future state is – it’s hard to imagine a world without Benny Blanco in our starting 11. He has so much character and offers 110 percenters every game.

I also want to just say that I think William Saliba is going to end this season with no doubt that he’s the best centre-back in the world. The man has too much sauce. Did you see some of the showboating today? Disgusting.

Hard to say we learned too much today – we played a weak European side and battered them at home. No one is engraing the Champions League trophy with your name after that. What you can say is we’re taking it seriously, every player wants to step up, and other clubs will be taking notice.

Final point – the crowd was great. Particularly with Havertz after a few of his misses. Arsenal are better when the crowd is with them. They’ll be needed this Sunday for the Spurs game. I can’t wait.

Ok, hit up the latest podcast. x

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Mr Serge

I think the Havertz contract is the stick people use to beat him with

They also get win,goal and target bonuses on top of their salaries

Topside Northbank

We have not sold well.

Flip side well done to everyone at the club Saka, Saliba, Martinelli, Gabriel, Odegaard and of course the Rice signing that is superb business. Even deals like Nwaneri another one for the not too distant future.

We have a core of top talent secured on long term deal’s, hrd not to feel optimistic about the years ahead.

Topside Northbank

MA news conference ‘Martinelli is not ruled out of Sunday’s game’.

raptora

Josh Kroenke driving force in Odegaard’s renewal. Our real CEO.

Pierre

Un “Pierre..Told you“However, although Ødegaard is brilliant on the ball and has fantastic vision, he is less of a creative force than Maddison. The Tottenham man will more often look for the final ball, while Ødegaard will tend to look for the pass before the assist.” Basically confirms what I’ve been saying but let’s not pretend that Odegaard doesn’t attempt the final(killer) ball. If you watch the PSV game Odegaard was very close to playing the all important killer ball probably 5 or 6 times. None of the attempts were easy but none resulted in a goal، though Jesus probably… Read more »

AFC Forever

Yet another of our young talents signs a new contract. This time Captain Odegaard a rare and very special talent. World Class. What a fantastic job the club has done since they appointed Arteta. Patience pays, as they say. Looking back everyone can now see how important it was to have a process and the non-negotiables he was often criticised for. We now have a group of very young, likeable players, who love wearing our shirt and who are improving under the coaching they receive. In the various interviews they all talk about the family atmosphere at the club, how… Read more »

Markymark

Odegard haters ( surely the bizarrest clique) going to have to stew. An excellent bit of business. If we could get the third of of the jigsaw that being selling on fees, now that development and retention is in a very good place.
We’d be very much role model status

Carts

Good news on Odegard.

There were times last season where I felt like he “hid” a little bit – wasn’t having the desired impact on games for someone who’s our skipper yet his stats were very impressive.

Now supposedly he’s our highest earner (not entirely sure how accurate that is, but lets see)

https://www.capology.com/club/arsenal/salaries/

englandsbest

No one disputes the Club got pitiful sums for players, or no money at all. Arsenal have been, in the main, a fire sale. But who cares, when you rate the worth of the current personnel?

The sale of just one would fetch more than the Club should have got for Ozil, Bellerin, etc combined.

Pierre

Great news on Odegaard signing a new contract، his game has gone up a level in the last 12 months، what we need now is for him to influence the really big games like city and liverpool away which of course is very difficult to do but players like Debruyne manage it and that should be the level that Odegaard aspires to… Will be an interesting match up between Maddison and Odegaard this weekend، Odegaard is playing with better players but Maddison probably has more freedom to express himself and take more risks on the ball. Arsenal v tottenham has… Read more »

Jamie

Fantastic news about Ode’s extension. The kid is mustard.

Marko

Absolutely fantastic news on Odegaard. Been an absolute steal since we brought him in. All those new contracts have been vital for the immediate and long term future of the club.

Marko

As for the actual wages we’re paying these guys I would tend not to think about it too much. For sure it’s a lot but outside of the likes of Eddie and Reiss getting big money the rest are honestly worth it given the quality and influence they had. I mean gone are the days of declining waif like players on gargantuan wages holding us back now it’s young and improving players contributing to our success.

AFC Forever

Martin Odegaard: A place where I belong https://www.arsenal.com/video/trending-video?entryid=0_ry466sw2&utm_source=arsenaldotcom&utm_medium=share_button&utm_campaign=video “I know my story is unusual but as a kid it was all I knew. I played for my Country at 15 years old and then by 20, I was at my fifth club across 3 different countries. I was happy and living my dream but inside I was craving somewhere to settle down. A football home that was more permanent. Something I could contribute to somewhere I felt like I belonged. That was important to me. It was also important to me to find a home where they play football the… Read more »

Dissenter

Odegaard will be every inch as good or even better than KDB
I just hope this generation of players win big things for the club, especially the CL.
We have all the ingredients in place, we just need a bit of luck to add unto it.

WengerEagle

Said it before, I really do think that we have more of a chance of winning the CL this season than the league title. I just think that to beat a Pep-led City over 38 matches is next to impossible as Klopp and Pool discovered with a 97 and 92 points Runners-up medals. Barring that one season where they were really off the boil in Covid, they have been utterly dominant. Whereas the CL is a different animal and we know that Pep and City have been vulnerable in it over the years barring last season. And even then, I… Read more »

WengerEagle

Arteta deserves huge credit for dumping all of the toxic/half-arsed personalities out of the club over the past year or so and building us a hungry, ambitious and motivated core of likeable players to get behind as well as extremely gifted.

We’re tying these guys up for the next 5 years minimum, it really does feel like we’ll achieve something special in that timeframe, touch wood.

TheLegendaryDB10

Have you all seen the email “from” Martin thanking the fans for their support?

It clearly shows that they really love the atmosphere that has been created in the ground.

Makes me want to get back to Ashburton Grove ASAP!!

I just need to try and get lucky with the ballot system. Haven’t been successful so far. 😕

Positive pete

Absolutely spot on Wenger Eagle.100% correct.

Carts

weagle

“Arteta deserves huge credit for dumping all of the toxic/half-arsed personalities out of the club over the past year or so and building us a hungry, ambitious and motivated core of likeable players to get behind as well as extremely gifted.”

Facts on facts.

Trusting the Arteta process hasn’t been easy, especially when you consider how close he was to supposedly losing his job (Pedro reminds us weekly about how ESR saved him lol).

Credit to the execs for sticking by him because as you said, the mentality throughout the squad is insanely impressive.

Dissenter

It’s an exciting time to be alive

There’s a unanimous belief that if you were doing a combined Arsenal -Spurs starting 11, all 11 players would be Arsenal.
Not one Spurs player makes the team, that’s even with Havertz in the starting 11

AFC Forever

WengerEagle Well said. There is a reason Man City have won three titles on the spin and it isn’t luck. To win the PL is the hardest thing to do. 38 games is a lot of matches to be ‘at your best’ & trying to keep all your key players fit. You need a big squad. Experience too. I don’t think people realise what a huge achievement it was for our very young side to go so close. I’ll take winning the CL and as you say, it’s a knockout competition and a bit of luck can take you a… Read more »

Northbanker

I think one of the reasons we appear to be so poor at selling players is because we have been so successful at only getting rid of the players we don’t want The real squad wouid fetch millions if we were so minded. When you get rid of players you don’t want because they have under performed it is hard to name your price. If other clubs have seen them as dross but might be ok for them amd they have higher wages than those clubs want to pay, then you get a low fee That is largely all we… Read more »

AFC Forever

Northbanker Agree. If you compare where we are now to where we were it’s frightening the mess we were in. We got lucky with Arteta,, a case of the right man at the right time, despite his novice credentials. The owners deserve huge respect because they reflected on what Freddie had claimed, saw how the players treated Emery & accepted they faced a massive rebuild that would take time. If that meant paying off toxic elements to get them out, they took the hit. A process was put in place and they never wavered from that. Now we have ‘harmony’… Read more »

Kpankulu

@Carts: I strongly believe that Arteta has NEVER been in danger of losing his job as Arsenal gaffer. The Emile Smith Rowe yarn just sounds good for a conversation in a bar. He has been supported fully all the way. On a separate note, Real Madrid needs to go to court over their sale of Odegaard. Their case: pure robbery by Arsenal. Saka is the face of the club, but Odegaard is the most important player. Fin. All his haters must be shaking their heads in sorrow and sustained shock at how good he is. Every time I see a… Read more »

Muppetman

Bitter much haha

Former Arsenal defender William Gallas:

“It looks like Arsenal haven’t improved defensively this season. I was very disappointed with the goal that they conceded at home to Fulham.

“I don’t think that this Arsenal team has the look of Champions. I don’t think that this is a title-winning side because they haven’t improved on the basics.”

AFC Forever

Kpankulu

Top comment you nailed it.

Matt

Kpankulu As someone who doubted Odegaard when we first signed him, I can tell you I am not shaking my head in sorrow, far from it. I am delighted that Odegaard has turned out to be as good as he is, because I am an Arsenal fan first and foremost. Opinions vary, that is true in life so why would it be any different on here. Don’t become another poster who revels more in other people being proved wrong than anything else – there are enough of them already. By the way, Odegaard becoming a success doesn’t in any way… Read more »

China1

Jeez the media still can’t accept that ramsdale has been benched FML this is so cringeworthy Dude has been benched for two matches and I’m seeing articles about how he needs to leave ASAP to save his England career FML who comes up with this tosh If ramsdale considers himself good enough to play for one of the top 5 teams in international football how and why should he be so scared of a bit of competition from Raya??? If he’s good enough to play for England he should be good enough to win his place back at arsenal. It’s… Read more »

China1

Ode always had the talent but was too risk averse when he came

He broke the back of that issue and is a wonderful player now

Great to have him

Rich

Matt I’d have every right to rub Ødegaard’s development in the face of plenty of people. The same people who ridiculed me for claiming he had similar levels of potential to KDB + David Silva, and that we just needed to be patient while we develop him and the young team around him…. Are now repeating the exact same things. Some people just never learn, you get the same bedwetters having a meltdown over nearly every signing. You don’t always get an instant return on investment, sometime you have to wait for that investment to mature. That doesn’t mean every… Read more »

Josip Skoblar

I detest the Spuds to bits and will always do, but I have to admit that I am much impressed by Ange Postecoglou. Like Klopp, he is a clever coach, but he is also a decent and progressive chap.

Rich

Could just be the usual smoke + mirrors from Arteta, but he’s not ruling out Martinelli from the NLD.

2 training sessions still to go, but only Partey completely ruled out.

Crazy how many quality options we’ve got on the left with Martinelli, Trossard, Nelson, Smith Rowe.

AFC Forever

FRIDAY JOKE Two Manchester United fans, who sit next to each other in the stadium, meet in the High Street. Dave: I haven’t seen you at the game for a few weeks, are you okay? Mike: Yes fine. It’s the wife.” Dave: Sorry to hear that. What’s wrong with her? Mike. Nothing at all. She just won’t let me go. Dave: Fuck that. My wife tried that once. Mike: What did you do? Dave: Threw her over my shoulder, marched her up to the bedroom and gave her a big kiss. Then I smacked her bum and told her I… Read more »

Matt

Rich I know plenty of people didn’t rate Odegaard at the start. I am not sure any of them wouldn’t be willing to hold their hands up now and say they were wrong, and at the same time be glad they were wrong. You were right, not sure why you would feel the need to rubs peoples noses in it – just take the win. Some people don’t learn, and maybe I need to put myself in that bracket because I am doing the same thing now with Havertz. In my mind though, the difference between Odegaard and Havetz: –… Read more »

China1

To all those who couldn’t wait for us to sell partey this summer, how good does it feel seeing rice play this well and knowing one of the best 6s on the planet is going to come back from injury sooner or later and be able to contribute as well?

We probably have two of the top 5 6s in Europe at the moment imo. Imagine resting rice in a dead rubber CL game or benching him for the league cup and seeing partey there

Sick.

Carts

@Kpankulu

No doubt there was a ropey moment during Arteta’s early tenure, but we were still emptying the swamp so i, too, doubt that Kroenke seriously considered getting rid off Arteta so prematurely.

I think Odegaard’s mentality has found a level he probably didn’t know he had. He’s not your archetypal “captain”, or at least that was the vibe I was getting.

Karsa

The majority had written off Vieirra before he had played 10 games.

We have to give every player a chance. A bit of patience doesn’t cost a lot as we are racking up the results regardless.

Nigel Tufnel

China, I get what you’re saying about Haverts and not wanting him to be strictly an off-the-ball player. I’m telling you this now…. for free- There is no way that he won’t score his fair share or better for Arsenal at L8. You do realise that this panic about him not scoring yet has been since week 1 or 2, and is taking on a life of its own. This would be reactionary even if he was a striker. I’m not going to research it– but …imagine how many starting CMs in the league and world haven’t scored yet this… Read more »

Rich

China Partey is a brilliant player, but we’ve already lost him for 2-3 months, and we’ll lose him for up to a month in January…. I have no idea how you’re throwing a victory parade, when he’s been banjaxed already after just north of 3.5 games lol…. But you’ve never been the sharpest tool in the box. You didn’t need to be Captain Hindsight to see this coming, in fact you didn’t even need to be particularly observant. The reason I wanted us to sell him was for this exact reason, it’s not when he’s on the pitch that hurts… Read more »

Nigel Tufnel

Kpankulu,

Your description of Havertz role in the team is spot on.
It perfectly fits with different things Arteta has said, including his review of Kai’s performance midweek.

AFC Forever

Matt “By the way, Odegaard becoming a success doesn’t in any way mean the same will be true of Havertz.” You undermine your own argument with that comment, proving Kpankulu right! It’s not just Odegaard was his point, it’s every player we sign; White, Ramsdale, Odegaard, Vieira etc. & now it’s Havertz turn to cop the unpleasantness. What was worse was some of the insults, like “a Real Madrid reject with zero physical or leadership qualities – Odegaard” That was raptora, not you to be fair. But you get the point. I guess the question is why do some on… Read more »

kjelli

Surely the Spurs game comes to soon for Martinelli, it would be criminal to risk him, better to use
Trossard and Reiss on the left to harass the Tottham defense. Hoping for a Jesus masterclass..

Matt

AFC I don’t see how that is undermining my own comment.? Not every signing works out was my point and using Odegaard as a reason why everyone with anything negative to say about Havertz should shut up is not the strongest argument. Havertz is a very polarising signing. Every Arsenal fan I speak to doesn’t rate him or understand why we signed him. Every pundit and journalist are also scratching their heads so I would say the opinion of him on Le Grove is not representative of what I experience in the real world. That is not to say it… Read more »

China1

We have to win this weekend a draw will not do

The endless droning on in the media about ‘unbeaten spurs’ has to stop immediately because it’s so ridiculous it’s losing me off

Maddison talking about something special on the air at spurs. Please

Arsenal have to do the business and put them in their box. Can’t stand reading and listening to this crap any more

AFC Forever

China 1

Who have Spurs played?

Brentford, Bournemouth, Man Utd, Burnley, Sheffield United. Average league position 16, and two of the promoted teams. They were dead flukey to beat Sheffield United at home and they lost to Fulham in the EFL. They have not played anyone.

It’s always the same with Spurs, the media darlings.

Graham62

Reya will start against Spuds, that’s for sure.
Two games, no goals conceded.
Coolness personified.
Why would Arteta want to bring Ramsdale back?

Graham62

Got a feeling Havertz will score on Sunday.

Rich

Matt I’m not as convinced with Havertz as I was with Ødegaard. The concerns around Havertz lacking conviction + belief aren’t unwarranted…. I complete agree with TR7’s take around what Arteta is looking for in that position… I just see the role in a more favourable light. I posted about Ødegaard’s timing of his runs, and how that helps him get a clean shot away, and he actually mentions it in this interview today: https://www.arsenal.com/video Havertz is getting into broadly the right positions, he’s not at Ødegaard levels of technical ability, but few are…. But he’s still very good, and… Read more »

China1

Lol rich such a tool ‘I have no idea how you’re throwing a victory parade, when he’s been banjaxed already after just north of 3.5 games lol…. But you’ve never been the sharpest tool in the box.’ Lol You’re *still* butt hurt that we didn’t decide to sell one of the best DMs in the world at a time when no one even gave us any decent offers and blow 100m on your flavor of the month caiceido (who is indeed tearing things up at Chelsea I must say) If being really happy that we can utilize one of the… Read more »

AFC Forever

Matt

Personally I find it tiring people still have the need to constantly slag off Arsenal players. I don’t understand why people need to do that and can’t move on. The word ‘supporter’ is lost on some people, they’re anything but..

Guns of Hackney

The argument as to why are Arsenal so bad at selling players is wrong. We are not bad at selling per se, we are bad at buying, and by default, if you buy poor quality, you ain’t selling for a better price.

Thats the problem.

Matt

AFC Not everyone ‘supports’ the club in the same way. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. I don’t understand how people who have watched Havertz so far can have such high hopes for him – I genuinely don’t see it, but you do and others do. That’s fair enough. How about instead of the usual throwing around of condescending remarks about how people who don’t see it don’t understand football, we get some argumentation as to what you have seen so far that makes you think he will come good, something that might trigger debate rather than back and… Read more »

jwl

AFC Forever – le grove was a wenger out blog for a decade before he finally left, lots of those people are still here, but Pedro completely changed the tone for Arteta era. Now we have combo of people who wanted Wenger fired in 2008 and new people who think Arteta is dreamy no matter what he does so there’s bound to be culture clash here.

TheLegendaryDB10

Carts i, too, doubt that Kroenke seriously considered getting rid off Arteta so prematurely. To think it started off with Freddy Ljungberg who probably told them what a bad bunch of players we had and that swamp needed drainng and Arteta confirming this and highlighting that the team needed a fresh restart with young players who were hungry to play and win but that it would take him time to coach these players to elite levels. I think Kroenke by the start of Arteta’s tenure knew that it would take some time before any trophies would be won. So, in… Read more »

TheLegendaryDB10

Re Ramsdale, I believe that the ball is in his court now to show that he can learn from Raya and be a little less emotional and a little bit more ice cold in goal.

Let’s see whether he can rise up to the challenge.

Guns of Hackney

Fuck Ramsdale. Raya has made everyone better and that’s all that matters. Now we need to get rid of a £30m keeper.

jwl

Josh Kroenke saved Arteta’s managerial career, he would be just another Lampard or Gerrard if Josh hadn’t overlooked his failure to meet expectations.

Emery took us further in league and Europe than Wenger last season, we fire him for incompetence, hire Arteta who then achieves two eight place finishes and out of Europe entirely, and instead of firing tets which is normally how it works, the Kroenkes instead decided to replace our starting eleven and kept the manager.

Raulishuss

Jwl= just a whining legend

Rich

China You’re just upset that I was right, and you were wrong about everything…. And no amount of spin or BS from you can change that fact, You were wrong about what our problems were, you were wrong about how we went about fixing them, and you were wrong about the time + patience needed to deliver on those objectives. Instead you threw perpetual hissy fits, and mega temper tantrums. I can completely understand why you’d prefer nobody had a memory of you being consistently wrong about virtually everything… You need one of those machine from Men In Black. The… Read more »

Jamie

Getting moist over making correct predictions on a blog full of legit strangers started with Bamford’s Elite Power Rankings.

Not the act I’d be proud to follow.

Jamie

Peaked rather than started probs. Although it’s making a comeback.

Mr Serge

Jwl give it a rest you boring sod

Zacharse

bamford with that free rent 😂

jamie sounds like the new intelligence analyst for the celebration police?

Mysticleaves

Football is an emotional game even for the players. For supporters and fans, it’s emotions on steroids. I don’t understand how someone that calls himself a fan or supporter can be so cool and calm at every decision a club makes. Even the ones that seem to not work out at initial times. To me that’s not fandom, that’s sycophancy. The day I lose my emotions, I lose my rights to be called a fan

Mysticleaves

It’s safer to say that anyone that hasn’t doubted wtf the club was doing in signing Haverts is not a fan of the club. That doesn’t mean he can’t come good. It simply just means you recognise that he probably wasn’t needed and he’s not working out now for the club. That’s emotions

Zacharse

jeez mystic, don’t let it get there, we can all disagree here and call each other cunts
but there’s only a handful that don’t love the damn club and players, and even sometimes the manager

Josip Skoblar

Le Grove was not a Wenger out blog 12 years ago. Quite the contrary. Pedro who had not known another Arsenal manager was actually fond of him. Pedro and the blog gradually became anti-Wenger. From 2014 onwards, it was anti-Wenger. Pedro is now fond of Arteta. I can understand why. It is quite depressing to be always critical and you want to live in hope. Arteta had a poor start but since last year he has got his act together. So well done.

Josip Skoblar

Arteta’s masterstroke so far? Replacing Ramsdale with Raya. I believe this is a turning point and a very astute decision.

jwl

From tomorrow’s Times Sport section – Bernd Leno has just finished training in strong swirling winds, the enemy, he says, of the goalkeeper. But a new enemy lurks in the wings, namely the notion, advanced by Mikel Arteta, that ’keepers should be rotated like any outfield player and even substituted during games. This is a philosophy that Fulham’s No 1 vehemently disagrees with. “At the start of the 2021 season, we lost the first three games and after the international break all of a sudden it was, ‘We need to change players and have positive energy,’ ” the 31-year-old German… Read more »

Zacharse

Josip SkoblarSeptember 22, 2023 21:03:26
Arteta’s masterstroke so far? Replacing Ramsdale with Raya. I believe this is a turning point and a very astute decision.

i want to agree, but RIGHT BEFORE THE NLD… don’t want to take it too far.
that said, even after facing little action at goodison, it was clear he got a grace rams aint quite gathered yet

Pierre

Rich was making noises about pochettino replacing Arteta back in december 2020 when we were nose diving towards relegation…

Good job the club didn’t follow Rich’s wishes….

Ken

Mr Serge
September 22, 2023 19:18:30
Jwl give it a rest you boring sod

Well that’s not a very nice thing to say to someone expressing an opinion. What if jwl is just “a bit rough around the edges”? Wouldn’t that give him carte blanche to say whatever he likes without critisism, the same as you said about your rough around the edges friend Nigel?

Rich

Mystic https://www.16personalities.com/articles/nature-thinking-vs-feeling “Personality types with the Thinking trait are likely to evaluate things almost relentlessly. This isn’t as bad as it sounds. They aren’t satisfied if they believe something is not well thought out – they revel in the brilliance of an elegant plan. This makes them great to have around when critical thinking and impartiality of any kind is the focus, and this makes them immensely helpful for sorting out ideas and methods. Their primary filter is, “How does this help?” Thinking individuals focus on objectivity and rationality, often dismissing emotions in favour of logic. They tend to see… Read more »

Mysticleaves

Zarchese

Amen.

Balogun missed 3 penalties already in this Monaco game. Can he make it a hattrick of misses? Lol

Mysticleaves

Missed 2 penalties*

Cyril

The club has become attractive again. The genius buy amongst a few is Trossard. Possibly pound for pound the best signing in a plethora of good signings. It reminds me back to the days of signing Pires, Gilberto and the most delicious of all – sol. I can’t tell you how impressed I am with Trossard. I have been here in Brighton for a few years due to my work commitments and spoken regularly with seagull fans and spoken with some who are associated with the club at differing levels and active players either not on books anymore or at… Read more »

Markymark

Thinking individuals focus on objectivity and rationality, often dismissing emotions in favour of logic. They tend to see effectiveness as more important than social harmony.”- hmm – this is also called the depressive reparative position which is a developmental step from the paranoid schizoid position PS (Kleinian ) The issue is if you are permanently in the reparative all you do is ruminate across various points of argument. You’d be a very boring lover as the ability to give way and abandon reason for absolute desire does not occur. In war you’d take the first train out to find an… Read more »

AFC Forever

Jwl “ goalkeeper.But a new enemy lurks in the wings, namely the notion, advanced by Mikel Arteta, that ’keepers should be rotated like any outfield player” That’s not true at all. De Zerbi started it. At the end of last season he sold Sanchez, his number one, to Chelsea for £25m. He bought Verbruggen from Anderlecht for £16m. De Zerbi said: “Steele and Verbruggen will be rotated this season”. Jason Steele, Brightons former number 2, played the first two matches of the season against Luton Town and Wolves. He dropped to the bench as Bart Verbruggen was selected for the West Ham and Newcastle… Read more »

Rich

MarkyMark Ultimately it doesn’t matter how you feel about something, or what your emotional state is….. Or how you’d like to see the world and the people in it. Because when ideology catches up with reality, the consequences are usually brutal. The world couldn’t function with people who just think with the Thinking side of the brain, in the same way it couldn’t function with people who think primarily with the Feeling side of their brain. The whole of society would collapse very quickly, because we wouldn’t be equipped to fill the roles that makes our countries function. But ultimately… Read more »

TheLegendaryDB10

Josip

It is quite depressing to be always critical and you want to live in hope.

Your post was excellent and that quote stands out for me.

This is what football is all about.

Yes we have ups and downs. But all we want is the best for our club.

In my case, as I am sure it is for others, I just want The Arsenal to do its best.

And this is what Arteta is serving us.

Onwards and Upwards The Arsenal!!

Nigel Tufnel

Every contract, the sensationalism by clickbait sites and red tops OVER-stated player salaries by adding in every single possible bonus as if all were met.

This is not just with Arsenal, it happens with all teams, but only gooners seem to worry and complain about it.
Nketiah, Nelson, Havertz, Saka etc…

I said it every time. Now some people are finally catching up to the fact. Don’t believe every silly number you hear or read.

Markymark

You’ll always believe that the intent matters more than outcomes…. Where I’ll always believe that all that matters is outcomes and efficiency. – a classic summing up of right vs left theory and the reason why the Guardian and the Mail will have often opposing headlines
I’m a tad concerned about your good people doing bad things ? Donny thinks Hitler was a good guy but probably tells his son-in-law it resulted in bad outcome. Apart from when he’s cosy with Nick Fuentes of course when he just nods along agreeing

Markymark

Nigel – here’s some silly numbers –
Odegaard we buy him for 35m. I reckon he’s 85m on the open market. For Chelsea though that means 150m and for Saudi 300m.

Lovely to have such a great guy and such an asset

Kpankulu

You could never fault him for effort, aggression maybe, but not effort [@Rich] Rich: you are one of my favorite posters here, but I have to amicably disagree with you on the above quote regarding Havertz. Who rates effort when a playing player is concerned? Is it the fan, who through the eye test wants to see entertainment and drive from a player – or the gaffer, who gave specific instructions to someone who has the most unglamorous role on the team with a complex tactic [the raumdeuter]? We know Arteta can sometimes make misdirected comments with a purpose, but… Read more »

Kpankulu

Apologies, Rich – my rebuttal were meant for Matt. The part about being one of my favorite posters and the last sentence applies to you, though!

Markymark

Rich – glad by the way you are into the 16 personality type thing though it seems to be full of people obsessing about the various subtypes. The fun thing is that Myers Briggs is straight out of Jung who is far far away from your mindset as he was well into spirituality , mystical thought and collective unconscious. You should do some reading on dream states and fairy tale. Anyway if your “ Should be high IQ, low EQ…. INTJ types.” reviewed serious academic work on UBI and found an upside. Obviously that great leader with zero emotion would… Read more »

Rich

MarkyMark Regarding good people doing bad things…. I mean taking a ruthless utilitarian approach to policy + laws. Where we focus entirely on results, and the efficiency of those results, and we do that at a deeply nationalist level, it’s the governments job to put the interests of their own citizens first…. It’s also their job to ensure that not a single penny of the tax payers purse is wasted, or spent on anyone but the people’s who’s money it is, people can donate their own money, better than the government can do it for them. The most moral position… Read more »

Markymark

Rich – good old convo ! Off to sleep with the thought that Odegaard has just pushed the project forward ! Good night all

jwl

Flo having a debut he will never forget for all the wrong reasons. How do you miss two penalties, it hard to have a worse first game for new team than Flo did.

My season ticket holder mate just txt me that bloke who wrote The Angel is going to be in attendance on Sunday and he expects one of best atmospheres at Emirates in long time. He is giddy with excitement, he been complaining about atmosphere since emirates opened but past 18 months are tremendous.

China1

Rich ‘ China You’re just upset that I was right, and you were wrong about everything…. And no amount of spin or BS from you can change that fact,You were wrong about what our problems were, you were wrong about how we went about fixing them, and you were wrong about the time + patience needed to deliver on those objectives.’ This is golden. Saying ‘I was right and you were wrong about everything’ from a guy who in the next post talks about how you’re a thinking not an emotional person. With a schoolboy comeback like the above, yeah… Read more »

Rich

China No emotion…. I was right, and you were wrong. Those are facts…. You threw perpetual hissy fits…. I correctly identified what our issues were, offered solutions to our problems, that turned out to be correct, and also offered a timeline to solving our problems, which was on the money as well. When you wanted to destroy the project before it got off the ground…. I was in favour of removing the emotion, looking at the bigger picture, riding out the storm, and coming out the other end… By changing what wasn’t working, and replacing it with something that did,… Read more »

jwl

Here we go.

Milo

Aren’t you ever satisfied Rich??

Most anal retentive poster here.

Smoke a blunt already. Christ.

I was right too. There you go. I got everything right too.

Now you aren’t the only one mystic on here, maybe you can just leave it be yeah??

Goooooood night!! Wow.

Madhu

Kai havertz debate will go till he silences the doubters. That’s the way it has been for any player across all clubs. Hell the Odil debate is continuing even today so there is no escaping from that. Yu will always have this debate among fans and it’s not uncommon. If those debates doesn’t happen then the player is an unqualified success which mind you rarely happens. Probably a Bergkamp or a Henry is in that bracket. Even Saka gets pelters some days here . That’s the way it works I strongly believe that the reason why the fan base is… Read more »

Nigel Tufnel

I love the nasty cynics who get all sensitive when AFCforever and Rich call them out for sh1tting on all our new players for years. They deserve having their noses rubbed in it. They really shouldn’t cry like little girls for having shockingly bad takes on players. Havertz will be the latest in a long line of players that embarrass you. After Vieira less than 1 year ago, White before that, Ødegaard before that. The same crew that wanted Aouar, Willock, Schneiderlin, etc. By the way, I know that most everyone picks Saka as our most valuable player. I think… Read more »

Nigel Tufnel

Milo what are you on about? What did you get right? Rich has been right about the project on the same level as Pedro, and early. It’s on record and all regulars here know it. You? I don’t remember you being right. Rich has been adamant. It’s the people who are NEVER right who are most bothered by Pedro, Rich, AFCforever for bragging a bit. No need to hate on them for it. Here’s a good one for the posters with bad takes…. –Remember the fear, bedwetting taking place that Martinelli, Saka, Saliba were all going to leave us??? The… Read more »

Nigel Tufnel

https://twitter.com/HAftbl/status/1705351656949297234?t=41nZAzmWF-_CfdN7qxAGwg&s=19

dissenter wasn’t this the guy you were constantly saying was too expensive?

Nigel Tufnel

Also, on Ødegaard, nobody was more wrong than Pierre.
Good opinions on other subjects, but pushing for Øde to be benched for Vieira, Smith Rowe, Erikson …. you took the Ødegaard facial on this news and his constant world class play.

Vieira and Emile may become great players… but they are not displacing Ødegaard… ever.
And Erikson… is where he belongs. Same shit level as spurs.

China1

‘I was right, you were wrong’

About…….?