A TALE OF TWO SIGNINGS

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Fancy a guest post today? Why not. How about from Jon over at Woolwich1886? Sounds good, but why? My dad used his work to calm people down in the family GC. If you can calm my dad down, then you have me curious… so here it is, enjoy!

It was the best of times; it was the worst of times. Two signings—Declan Rice and Kai Havertz—have had introductions about as opposite as one can imagine. Rice, the Prem-proven talisman, has promptly picked up right where he left off with West Ham, Fresh off of winning whatever the European Conference League trophy is, Rice has slotted in seamlessly, turning in four confident performances capped off with a dramatic late winner against Man U just before the international break. Havertz’s transition has been—how do I put this delicately?–somewhat more of a muddle. For as much as a romp as it would be to revel in Rice’s exploits, let’s not be afraid to get our hands dirty with a closer look at Havertz.

That transfer fee. The “Chelsea reject”. The flop. Havertz has come into an ambitious Arsenal side determined to go one better than bottling the Prem last season. As such, each new signing has to step up and deliver. We’ve seen it from Rice. We’d seen it from Timber. We may yet see it from Raya. Havertz, however, hasn’t taken his chances and, instead, seems to be struggling with that three-part burden. It’s not that £62m is in and of itself a monstrous fee. It’s large, to be sure, and we have to feel like we did Chelsea a favour given their ridiculous spending and possible violation of FFP, as if that were a real thing that exists. That fee, like our own history of taking in Chelsea’s rejects, from Jorginho to Willian to Luiz to Čech, has saddled Havertz with a burden that is perhaps unfair. It’s not his fault that we’ve a history of disappointing transfers from the wrong side of London to the right, but it does feel like he has to break his duck and fast if he’s to shake the “flop” label.

There is good news to be had even if it isn’t quite as satisfying as seeing him actually make contact with the ball for a gilt-edged chance in the thirteenth minute. Havertz is second only to Saka for key passes per 90. He’s making intelligent runs into space, offering support to teammates with the ball, getting between the lines, and finding positions from which to score. Of course, the fact that he hasn’t scored is what stands out to most fans, but do him a favour. The next time he plays (which will probably be against Everton on Sunday, don’t watch the ball. Watch Havertz. Is he lolly-gagging à la Özil, or is he finding those spaces from which he can create chances for others or perhaps score? I’d wager that it’ll be the latter.

Let’s step back and consider the fact that Havertz, while at Chelsea during three very formative years, played under no less than four managers—Lampard, Tuchel, Potter, Bruno, and Lampard (again). Maybe that’s five. With the Die Mannschaft, he’s had to endure the tumultuous tenure of Hansi Flick. Imagine or remember the confusion, frustration, and doubt you’d feel when a minor change occurs where you work—maybe there’s a new sign-in procedure or different way to request a sick-day. Maybe there’s a new cover sheet to put on the TPS reports. You get my point. Havertz has been on an odyssey that Odysseus himself might respect. Ever-changing managers, ever-changing tactics, ever-changing positions…is it any wonder that this one-time wunderkid looks like a baby giraffe on roller skates?

Back to the present: Havertz has been playing for the most part behind Martinelli and Nketiah because of Jesus’s injury. Martinelli has been guilty of a little too much hero-ball to start the season, keeping the ball and looking to shoot rather than pass, and Nketiah has been similarly guilty of looking to score first. That’s understandable to a certain degree. However, given a chance to play behind Trossard and Jesus, two players who are both more-willing and more able to create for others, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Havertz score a goal or two.

I’m not here to say that Havertz is definitely worth what we paid. All I’m saying is that, after four matches, it’s far too early to label him a flop. The flip-side to that coin, I acknowledge, is that the positive take-aways I’ve offered come after just four matches. Hell, it took Dennis Bergkamp, an established world-class talent, a half-dozen matches to make a positive impression. Hold that thought—I’m not suggesting that Havertz will follow in Bergkamp’s footsteps. Depending on whom you ask, he is either the best or the second-best player to have ever played for this club. My point is this: if it took him six matches to break through, it might take Havertz just as long if not longer.

He picked up a nifty assist for Germany against France, playing Sané through on goal. Sané, perhaps still recovering from being pocketed by Tomiyasu a few days prior, finished the chance that Havertz created. It’s hardly a stoppage-time winner against Man U, but it may just give Havertz the confidence he needs to go into Goodison Park and score that first goal. From there, the floodgates shall open.

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Markymark

Trophy ?

Markymark

Yeps it’s the prize !

Chrispy

Great assesment of Havertz so far

Chrispy

Oh bollox…..Tr4phy

Chrispy

I feel dirty now.

WengerEagle

Havertz being treated with kid gloves by many Gooners still. He’s been less effective than Pepe initially and unlike the Ivorian he’s been playing in England for 3 seasons already.

That’s what is actually troubling, he’s not fresh off the boat from a splendid season in Germany, that was a long time ago now.

I hope that he can come good here but it is much more hope than expectation.

FB

rollenSeptember 13, 2023 22:50:25
WE many trolls here pretends to be old to get some credibility.

I was born in 1961 and I am 22 years old

Hope that helps Rollen 🙂

AFC Forever

WengerEagle I take your point. However, I treat Havertz with kid gloves because he’s only played 4 games. It takes time to adjust in a new team, especially when being asked to play an unfamiliar role. Players adapt at different pace, some never do to be fair. Time is the best judge of that. Piling in on him isn’t going to help. As for his performances live, you see things that perhaps TV screens miss. His movement off the ball is smart & he doesn’t ignore his defensive duties. I’ll take Havertz over Antony or Sancho, who cost a lot… Read more »

Madhu

Comparing Havertz predicament with us mere corporate workers is nothing but disingenuous. There is a vast difference in the way these star players playing for a London PL club is treated vs a corporate employee. Havertz will get all kinds of support from Physical, Mental, conditioning, health, diet etc. and much more to get adjusted to his ‘New’ life. We would be lucky if we get any sort of support in our org’s. Its also not fair to compare to Bergkamp as he came from Italian league and was playing for a manager that didn’t buy him. The problem is… Read more »

Mb

May be it’s more about not giving a chance to ESR who may perform better than Havertz, just because you bought him. I hope we don’t lose points because of Arteta’s infatuations with Chelsea rejects – Luiz, Willian and Havertz.

Mb

AFC

Problem is, we are 4 games into the season and we can’t afford bedding time from a quarter of million per week wages player who is in London from 3 years.

And we paid 65m for him so that he won’t take half a season to bed-in, like some Italian/Spanish transfer in.

Mb

FB

Grow up mate 🤣

Markymark

Let’s hope those floodgates do open! Surprised that there was mention of bottling the league in the article. Ultimately we are up against a winning machine which has only been outdone by even more spectacular point hauls. We go into this season one year older and wiser.

Samesong

I am concerned about the injuries we have to key players:

Partey
Gabriel
Saka apparently achilles injury since last season

Have I missed anyone out? Maybe it’s a good thing that we give other player’s a run out during the early stages of the season.

englandsbest

Yes, I enjoyed this post probably because I agree with every word. And if you listen to the man who knows most of all, Arteta, so does he. The puzzle for most of us I think is Havertz role. It appears to be what used to called an inside forward. Someone who creates goals and also scores goals. A layer like GG (a great buy from Chelsea). But don’t we have those already, players like Gab J, ESR, etc? Wouldn’t the £62 mill have been better spent on an outright goal-scoring striker? Time will tell. Truth is, the team as… Read more »

Bob N16

Samesong,
I thought Gabriel recovered from a knock in his debut for Brazil and played the full 90 minutes four days later.

You missed out Timber though.

Is our injury situation better or worse than our main competitors?

Bob N16

EB, thought your last paragraph nailed it!

Positive pete

The “ bottling “the lead tag only feeds the Arsenal haters ,the likes of O’ Hara on talkshite.Not necessary at all IMO.Serves no purpose.
Now to Everton on Sunday.We owe Dyche & his Neanderthals a bit of payback.They’ll be up for a dogfight.

Tikpo

I think a lot of the stick Havertz gets is the belief that his presence blocks the pathway into the first team for some fan favorites (ESR). Of course his glaring misses haven’t helped his cause.
We must remember that these favorites were in the squad before Havertz was bought. Obviously, the manager sees somethings in training which we cannot know.
This is why I will leave the decision making to the manager and hold him responsible for whatever results we end up with.

Aasim

I would love nothing more than Kai fkin killing it. But just like you’ve pointed out, that yes: – he makes intelligent runs – he doesn’t shy away from defensive duties – he’s playing left 8, which is a new position We should also acknowledge, that: – the management knew they wanted a left 8, and chose Kai – they chose him and agreed to pay for him c.70m – that outside from not scoring, or assisting, he also hasn’t made us sit up once. With a skill here, or a flick there, or a dribble or a sublime pass,… Read more »

Dissenter

Arteta isn’t infallible though and fans are still allowed to have opinions He does get a lot more right that wrong but let’s not pretend that everything he touches turned to gold. Better managers than he have made high profile mistakes, it happens all the time. I recall the anticipation when Klopp signed Naby Keith and Thiago Alcantara respectively, neither worked out. When fans see underwhelming, they call it underwhelming. If you see a see a garden trowel and you choose to call it a shovel in expectation, then it’s your prerogative but don’t get mad because someone else just… Read more »

AFC Forever

Positive Pete “The “ bottling “the lead tag only feeds the Arsenal haters” Spot on. It’s actually disrespectful to our young, inexperienced players who went toe to toe with that Man City machine. It’s also ignorant. Our team of ‘bottlers’ went up to Newcastle under huge pressure and won comfortably. The reason we lost the league was because of a combination of factors, not least squad depth highlighted by the loss of Saliba & Tomiyasu, which unbalanced the team. Just 5 points and 6 goals was the difference between us and that Man City team of serial winners.We had the… Read more »

9ja Gunner

Lets give him a little more time.

AFC Forever

Dissenter “If you see a garden trowel and you choose to call it a shovel in expectation, then it’s your prerogative but don’t get mad because someone else just called it for what it is.” The problem is if you’re not much of a gardener you probably can’t tell the difference. Martin Odegaard was a garden trowel that nobody else wanted, apparently. He turned out to be a combine harvester. Then there was Ben White, another garden trowel who turned out to be a stainless steel shovel. The problem with a lot of internet fans is you don’t go out… Read more »

Dissenter

AFC You may have missed the part where I wrote that he gets a lot more right than wrong. Then I also said he’s not infallible He’s the same guy who signed Willian, same one who shoved an injured player back on the field and could resuscitate Pepe. Listening to Arteta speak right now, he’s more unassuming and doesn’t throw out excuses that the people who make it their business to defend him likes it’s some type of blood oath. The Havertz situation is not that hard, players don’t always burst out of the starting blocks. Grealish didn’t start super… Read more »

Dissenter

* He’s the same guy who signed Willian, same one who shoved an injured player back on the field and couldn’t resuscitate Pepe

Imagine if we had signed Murdryk like Arteta wanted, he ain’t infallible, same as other top managers.

EdTheRed

I thought Arteta created an elite environment st Arsenal. We paid an elite fee for Havertz, he’s on an elite wages, so I don’t see the problem in dropping a player who keeps performing way way below the line that marks “an elite”.

1364 days into Arteta reign, there is no time for bedding in. It’s not 2020 anymore.

Just Another Customer

lol imagine taking the analogy so hard and ran with it

I guess that comes with the territory you old gits eh?

Dissenter

Yes, give the man a simple analogy and he quickly claims expertise of gardening. He’s the tested old horticulturist too, our AFC. He rewatches them games in his green house, it seems AFC You come across as a dick when you keep talking about ‘internet fans’. Maybe you think the only Arsenal fans who are real are the ones who agree with you and the 62k fans who attend games. You really think you see more of games than fans who have access to replays and multiple camera angles, in 2023? Even if you watched with binocular lens, you wouldn’t… Read more »

BurleyDave

True the transfer fee we paid was not down to him. However the increased and very high wages are. So far he has failed to earn what he extracted from us and that is down to him.

Tom

I’m beginning to hear some groaning whenever Havertz misplaces a pass or misses a chance.
I could be wrong but it sounds like its coming from the stands and not the ”internet fans”.

Northbanker

I’d agree Diss with your point on TV vs game attendance Thee are some aspects you see better at the game but that’s more off the ball. Mostly it is much easier to see the moves amd passes on TV than it is at the match. The Arsenal screens don’t help either – we seem to be way behind other clubs in what we show on the screens Fact remains though you can’t beat being there especially now the Emirates is rocking My next game is PSV and can’t wait. I will however be watching the highlights after to see… Read more »

Tom

Funny thing about Havertz the flop metrics, when I asked his biggest critics how many goals/ assists he needed to avoid the flop designation, no one bit.
Good strategy lads. Why lock yourself in, in case he reached it, or worse, open yourself to ridicule your demands might be too high.

Guns of Hackney

I don’t think I’ve every seen anyone plug a player as much as Le Grove is doing with the dreadful, Havertz. I don’t get it. No player has had more excuses made for than this dumpster fire of a player. 4 managers wah…what about Real players or Italian players back in the day when they went through 2 managers a game?

I don’t get it. Does Le Grove have shares in Havertz or what?

Matt

‘When fans see underwhelming, they call it underwhelming. If you see a see a garden trowel and you choose to call it a shovel in expectation, then it’s your prerogative but don’t get mad because someone else just called it for what it is.’

This is genius! Bravo Dissenter! 👏🏼

AFC Forever

Dissenter Yes that’s fair, I will rephrase because Internet fans is an unfair generalisation to describe the toxic elements who fill social media. Apologies. It’s not a dig at people who don’t attend games, plenty can’t today because they aren’t UK based or can’t get hold of tickets (been there, got the tee-shirt). Perhaps it should be rephrased as toxic online fans. As Northbanker says, the atmosphere inside the stadium is mental now. You can’t replicate that on TV. Reviewing this comment section during the 96 minutes is embarrassing, it’s non-stop moaning , you’d get more positivity in the away… Read more »

Un

Back to the present: Havertz has been playing for the most part behind Martinelli and Nketiah because of Jesus’s injury. Martinelli has been guilty of a little too much hero-ball to start the season, keeping the ball and looking to shoot rather than pass, and Nketiah has been similarly guilty of looking to score first. That’s understandable to a certain degree. However, given a chance to play behind Trossard and Jesus, two players who are both more-willing and more able to create for others, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Havertz score a goal or two. Been saying this since… Read more »

AFC Forever

Northbanker

“There are some aspects you see better at the game but that’s more off the ball. Mostly it is much easier to see the moves and passes on TV than it is at the match. Fact remains though you can’t beat being there especially now the Emirates is rocking.”

This 100%.

Un

Diss That’s a very good point and one I made last week Pepe was better than Havertz has been at Chelsea in a struggling team that often finished 8th or 5th When you throw vieira in to the mix, the way ESR and Pepe have been treated is a bit odd to say the least Yes he prizes work rate technique and tactical discipline as a combination above all else but productivity in the final third and abailty ti change games has to count for something in this sport today. I do believe both vieira and Havertz will come good… Read more »

Naija+soccer

Saka doesn’t go on the right or outside like he used to. Since last season he’s being cutting in or using the inside more and making his game predictable. I saw our opening game against Crystal Palace last season 22/23 and Saka had a really tough game against Tyrick Mitchell physically. Every time he tried to beat Tyrick on the outside, Tyrick matched him for pace and anticipation. I had never seen a fullback battle or match Saka like that before. Then I noticed since that game he has been hesitant to go on the outside often cutting in, which… Read more »

Tom

“what about Real players or Italian players back in the day when they went through 2 managers a game?”

That is some attrition rate there, Guns.
How far back in the day was that, WW1?

Guns of Hackney

Tom

You know what I mean. It doesn’t affect good players.

I think football was cancelled during the war.

englandsbest

Tom,
You sly old thing. The crowd groan s at any misplaced pass by an Arsenal player, no matter who.

Dissenter
Of course the crowd ‘see’ more than those watching the game on TV, and far more than ‘Match of the Day’ watchers. For a start it’s their view, uninfluenced by commentators and pundits. Who needs the ‘angles’, the ‘slo-mo replays’ in the heat of the moment? Later on TV you can watch what you missed

jwl

Vinai Venkatesham, the club’s CEO has confirmed he will leave next summer after 14 years with the club.

Vinai said: “This was a tough decision, but it is time to pursue another challenge. Now is not the time for goodbyes as I remain focused until my last day and supporting a seamless transition.”

https://www.arsenal.com/news/ceo-vinai-venkatesham-step-down-next-summer

Un

Naija If you watch carefully you’ll notice that teams double up on the outside and force him in field but he’s obviously becoming very dangerous from distance and the more he pops those in from the edge the more they are going to have to find a way to combat that You’ll also notice that he’d pull back, give the ball to Odegaard who then would slip a ball through the defence to white. Saka acting as the decoy for white to exploit the space I think it’s tactical Arteta is using the fact that Saka can do any thing… Read more »

Naija+soccer

That Szlobozlai kid at Liverpool is sure making me look at Havertz sideways but gonna keep trusting Arteta on this one a-la Odegaard,White.

As for Saka, hope he gets the Achilles taking care of as I miss seeing him beat players and fullback on the outside.

Dissenter

I used to worry about us not having coverage for Saka until several posters pointed out that Jesus can play that role very easily

Saka needs a break
I see that uninterrupted run of games as an indictment on our club, no young player should play that much football, however hardy or fit they may be.
Southgate doesn’t care, he’ll keep beasting him so the onus Is on Arsenal to do the right thing.

Samesong

Game live atmosphere is amazing but people still moan and groan at games. It’s life.

Are you the same people that queue up and someone jumps the queue and you have a moan or just think oh it’s not worth it? That same analogy applies on le grove. You chose to ignore or challenge.

The old cliche of you would get beaten up if you said the team played shit at the pub is a laughable.

Been to plenty of games and most Arsenal fans are quite reasonable.

AFC Forever

According to the Athletic Arsenal chief executive Vinai Venkatesham is to leave his position next summer.

He joined Arsenal in 2010 as head of global partnerships and moved up through the organisation before being appointed to one of the club’s most senior roles three years ago. The decision to leave was made by Venkatesham as he seeks to pursue a new challenge — and the interim period will give Arsenal time to work on a succession plan.

In the meantime things are continuing as normal, with Venkatesham leading day-to-day matters.

Naija+soccer

Un That maybe the case, but I m not sure Bukayo Saka is at his best in this set up. Fans are already complaining about some of his performances this season because they are used to a better more effective Saka. I m still not convinced its mainly tactics as we played the same way in 21/22 using Tomiyasu instead of White and that didn’t stop Saka using the outside a lot, making fullback redundant all season as they didn’t know which direction he would go. With him cutting in so much now, he is making himself easy to figure… Read more »

Naija+soccer

Having said that everyone knew Arjen Robben was gonna cut in but they struggled at stopping him. Maybe Saka is channeling his inner Robben.

AFC Forever

jwl

Sorry mate missed that!

Be interesting to see how we replace him.

Un

Naija

Saka had a slow start in each of his previous two seasons
I’d like to see him pop up on the left more and use that left foot to whip low balls to Eddie Jesus Havertz running onto it
Agre with dissenter though
This amount of games is not good for a youngster
Arteta is asking for it

Tikpo

AFC
“That’s fair. I will rephrase……”

Gracious of you to retract and apologize immediately.

I wish we all can be this gracious in our debates. Even when we have different opinions, we are all fans who share same passion for THE ARSENAL.

raptora

I doubt Busquets was as good as Havertz going forward. Plus, if his first touch is dreadful, surely putting him in a position where if he loses the ball there’s a good chance we concede right away, doesn’t sound like the smartest idea. Havertz is a very good footballer, his issue is he is used to playing a completely different role and a completely different idea of football. Right now, he is making runs behind the opposition defence on the regular. We don’t need him to do that all the time. He needs to learn to make his runs either… Read more »

raptora

Jesus will be key for making Kai + Marti work. He’s not a typical 9 and this is what will be required of him. He’ll be the responsible one for the triangle between himself, Kai + Marti as that’s one of the reasons we have him and not a typical 9.

On the other side we have White, Ode, Saka that worked excellently last year.

raptora

Tikpo, would be gracious if he stops repeating it on a daily basis cause that makes the apology sound insincere.

Madhu

Vinay is leaving only next summer as reported in official site. Enough time for a fond a good replacement and transition.

AFC Forever

When you get Jesus in the starting eleven, the dynamic of the team changes. I’ve not seen anyone in recent years affect other players around him as Jesus does. That isn’t to criticise Nketiah, who does a good job for us, but just acknowledging how Jesus transforms our team.

Markymark

AFC Forever- I’ve just picked up on the Vinai story – it’s interesting that it is just another challenge for him much as Gazidis. It’s a point to consider that as football has become more corporate you obviously get corporate guys who give you a vision but are looking at exit strategies. Perhaps there was a push in there from the Kroenkes but there is no “I’m so sad to be leaving and I know I’m leaving Arsenal on the cusp of great things etc etc”… Just see yer later off for a new challenge. I’m very much for how… Read more »

AFC Forever

raptora

Unlike you and a few others I have never called anyone the C word. Nor did I take offence when you did it or reached for some of the other insults you used to spray around. Have you ever apologised for any of that? No, so stop playing the morality card.

AFC Forever

MarkyMark “Perhaps there was a push in there from the Kroenkes but there is no “I’m so sad to be leaving and I know I’m leaving Arsenal on the cusp of great things etc etc”… Just see yer later off for a new challenge.” That’s a good point, there could be a ring of truth in that. “I’m very much for how Bayern operate with sensible ex players In executive positions. You feel they have a deeper connection.” There was a discussion about this some while back. I couldn’t agree with you more. This is one of the reasons I… Read more »

Northbanker

.I’m glad Vinai is leaving. Hard to know what he really did but to me from the outside he just looked like a pen pushing executive who was great at being corporate and achieving sweet FA.

Marky mark – couldn’t agree more. Let’s only have people with passion for Arsenal AND a proven track record

Northbanker

Like me lol

Northbanker

God what a dream job that would have been

Gonsterous

Has arteta been sacked yet? Not going to be winning the league this season, round of 16 in Europe and maybe a good run in the league cup. Great to be an arsenal fan eh?

Guys got 4 seasons to learn and he’s still out of his depth.

Markymark

I look at Vinai and think his family are likely successful in manufacturing or suppliers who’ve got the cash to get him through an Ivy League MBA program or something similar. He’ll understand accounting structures and has the endurance to watch wall to wall business TV. His tastes will be bland and safe and his clothing expensive bland and boring. He will appear at a restaurant or a hotel leaving no memorable trace. He leaves Arsenal leaving no memorable trace. There are literally thousands of these technocrats roaming the planet. One wonders if anyone actually benefits? In fact if AI… Read more »

raptora

Markymark, I couldn’t agree more. Also, Venkatesham joined Arsenal in 2010 as head of global partnerships and was promoted several times to reach the position of CEO. 13 years working for one club is a big commitment. That being said, he’s witnessed a spectacular rise. I wonder what would be the opportunity that has opened up for him to make him leave Arsenal or are Arsenal directors looking at appointing someone else? Josh, Bergkamp, Edu? Who knows… To know how big Vinai’s contribution in the last years was, we’d have to be working for the club. I’d still make a… Read more »

Naija+soccer

Agree AFC,

To be honest I don’t know any other player in the league as impactful as Gabi Jesus. Not even Haaland, great goalscorer but not on the level of Jesus in his ability to energize a team. If he says injury free, he’s a monster in waiting.

Naija+soccer

Something has definitely happened upstairs. Didn’t see Vinai leaving Arsenql for another club unless its Real Madrid, Munich or better but guy is looking like he’s about to leave a job that he was glad to have just a year ago ?

If the Kroenkes have someone better lined up then let’s go. Just hope that the position is not a poisoned chalice or something. First Gazidis and now this guy.

Markymark

Gonsterous – in answer to your rhetorical question. No Arteta hasn’t been sacked yet nor should he with 10 points out of 12 and one of the troublesome big boys dealt with.
Your Nostradamus prediction skills really should be applauded. I’m going to go with we will not win the FA Cup. Yeah sack him! 😂 Now let’s just say you support Chelsea ( you are potentially a Chav Troll) do you sack Potch or not? Only got 4 points yer know

AFC Forever

Naija

There was a clip I saw somewhere of Jesus being followed by a camera during a game last season. Blokes a machine. His work rate is ridiculous and he out punches for his size. Very intelligent footballer and a consomate team player.

Naija+soccer

AFC

Also too I ve noticed thats hes put on some more upper muscle. My guess is so that he can be more durable during contacts and challenges which hopefully should help him avoid more injuries and less wear and tear.

I think that’s gonna help him be more explosive. We ve been decent with him out of the team in the beginning of this season. But I see us going up a level or 2 when he starts again.

One

I would like to correct a foolish notion peddled by some AFC fans here by calling William, and Luiz “Chelsea flops”. I do not like Chelsea (that much is true), I would not disrespect any of their talents especially the ones who won everything with the club. Willian wasn’t a flop, He was already on a decline when we bought him, Same with Luiz. Arteta at that time was banking on the experience of those players who won everything with Chelsea. Calling them “Chelsea flops” is quite foolish. They flopped for us, not for Chelsea. Pepe was an arsenal flop,… Read more »

Howard

Recruitment of Pepe continues to create tsunami at the top.
Sanhelli gone
Vinai to go
Next to go will be Edu Gaspar, the ‘showman’ and ‘can’t sell’ Sporting Director. The friend of superagents.

I can see Tim Lewis taking the job. Now the Vice Executive Chairman, he’s trusted by the Kroenkes and an Arsensl through and through. Edu to go soon for a better Technical/Sporting Director who knows the market to replace him.

jwl

My dream job at arsenal, Northbanker, would be Stuart Macfarlane’s official club photographer position. Zero responsibilities and you just spend your days watching the lads train or play matches.

I just read arsenal supporters trust tweets and they said Vinai has been really good with fan engagement. I wouldn’t think our CEO would have that much do other than oversee all the depts because kroenkes/edu/arteta/lewis have all the power. Good job as arsenal fan but probably boring if you focused on your career.

raptora

Howard, I don’t think they’ll ruin the relationship between Edu and Arteta unless there are cracks showing. In the media, they’ve spoken many, many times how they help each other out and how they always listen to each other when making a decision. There might be a clash of personalities and of power if they change Edu unless Arteta is fine with that. Edu, for all we know, is a very important cog in the system. That’s a tough decision to make when the project started with him, and despite a lot of bumps and whatnot, it has definitely progressed… Read more »

Northbanker

You’re probably right jwl but Stan I will take that chance and I am available for hire

Give me half an hour to update my CV

NORG

Howard
The Kroenke’s will be after a ‘powerhouse’ CEO. Tim Lewis is a well respected lawyer that has received awards from his peers but not what the Kroenke’s are after to replace Vinai. No doubt Tim will be very much involved in appointing the new CEO.

Until a new CEO is appointed Edu is still very much involved. It was he that worked with Josh to bring about the necessary changes.

rollen

Arteta for CEO, Simeone for manager, Arsene for global ambassador when we clean up all trophies lol

NORG

Rollen
Arteta & Simeone wear the same uniform. Wenger on standby with the coats.

raptora

Simeone for manager?! I’d rather cut my veins and watch them bleed.

AFC Forever

One

“September 14, 2023 16:22:32”

Fantastic post mate. 100%

AFC Forever

Northbanker

Have to admit what a dream job working at Arsenal. Get that CV updated and I look forward to having lunch with you in the boardroom….!

WengerEagle

Yeah Tom, people criticizing Havertz are terrified of setting an arbitrary G/A target for fear of later ridicule, lol. Pepe was labelled a flop and he produced 15 G/A including 11 PL ones in just 22/24 starts total so I think that proves solely focusing on G/A can be misleading. It all comes back to your expectations for him. Yes he has no control over his price tag and wages and I feel for Kai the lad but that’s the business of football, do you seriously think people would be giving Maguire and Utd a fraction of the grief if… Read more »

philmar

It will be tough going watching Havertz. he has sublime skills but a languid style. Manure fans turned on Berbatox because he also had a similar style although Havertz does much much more tracking, pressing than Berba ever did. But out of nothing Berbatov would create or finish a goal. Kai will improve once rice, jesus and Marinelli learn to work with him….not to mention Arteta had a revolving door of LBs…Timber, Tomi. Kivior and Zinchenko have all featured there.

jwl

A few gooners on twitter, dSid, are already convinced this lady is getting promotion and will be our next CEO.
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Dec 2021 – “Arsenal Football Club has appointed Juliet Slot as chief commercial officer, handing her responsibility for marketing and other facets of the business.

Reporting to Arsenal chief executive Vinai Venkatesham and becoming part of the executive team, Slot’s responsibilities will span commercial partnerships, ticketing, hospitality, digital experience, retail and marketing.”

Howard

Tim Lewis for CEO. The Kroenkes will be looking for someone they can trust. Tim fits the bill. Watch this space for the next announcement. Tim was the one who investigated the Pepe deal and caused Sanhelli to be moved on.

Tim will send superagents out of Arsenal lawns where they’ve now pitched their tents. The likes of Mendes and Kia Joorabchan who were nowhere when Dein and Wenger were in control.

Tom

Weagle, posters who said on day one Havertz was a terrible signing will stick to that opinion unless he outperforms the league average by a mile, which is unlikely. Anyone whos been around Legrove for more than five minutes knows that. Then there’s the ESR faction that will never be satisfied with Havertz who ‘ steals’ ESR minutes, unless he goes on and does something truly great which, again, is unlikely. As to your Pepe starting better than Havertz remark……..as he should’ve done. Confidence in ones abilities is half the success and Pepe came with bags of it. It was… Read more »

raptora

Nico Jackson has missed a sitter or two but the whole Chavs team has been struggling. Definitely a little rough around the edges striker, he just turned 22 and at £32m, he might develop into something special without spending a fortune for his services especially in today’s market that’s a sniff.

Luteo Guenreira

Oh please let it be the woman. Some of the sexist comments that will drop from the usual suspects is gonna be very amusing. Can’t wait for the pearl-clutching from all those big bad males.

Naija+soccer

Howard I can see the Edu change happening. Good talent spotter but terrible negotiator in my opinion. Probably because he doesn’t wanna offend his Technical director counterparts since he has to invite them over for his famous barbecues. The fact he wasn’t able to sell Pepe for more than 5 million is reason enough to fire him. Guy scored 27 in 112 for a guy that was in and out of the team and suffered the Havertz treatment since he was under multiple managers and philosophies in Emery, Lundberg, and Arteta. Same Havertz we now went and bought for 65… Read more »

One

AFC ForeverSeptember 14, 2023 16:58:45
One“September 14, 2023 16:22:32”Fantastic post mate. 100%

Thanks AFC Forever.

bacaryisgod

Raptora,

Not convinced with Nico Jackson. Willing runner and causes headaches for defenders but not a killer in front of goal. I think he reminds me a little too much of Tammy Abraham.

One

Luteo GuenreiraSeptember 14, 2023 18:15:58
Oh please let it be the woman. Some of the sexist comments that will drop from the usual suspects is gonna be very amusing. Can’t wait for the pearl-clutching from all those big bad males.

One

BacaryisgodSeptember 14, 2023 19:57:44
Raptora,Not convinced with Nico Jackson. Willing runner and causes headaches for defenders but not a killer in front of goal. I think he reminds me a little too much of Tammy Abraham.

He’s got a good first touch in my opinion, he allows players to play off him easily. He can make good first touch passes that allow players get into good scoring situations.

rollen

lol Luteo 100%

bacaryisgod

Something that’s puzzled me through all this. Why did Xhaka leave? Was he told his role would be reduced or was it a family decision. Have to think it would have saved us a lot of headaches if he had stuck around.

Imagine what we could have done with that net balance of 44m? (Havertz cost less Xhaka sale).

GillespieRoadNoMore

Bit unkind on Jorginho IMHO, he has proven himself to be a good squad player with a great attitude, personality and a footballing brain that has served Arsenal well.

bacaryisgod

For me, it’s less about Havertz and more a question of wrong priorities. I think after last season, Xhaka could have been persuaded to stay. He said he wanted a new challenge but playing again in the Champions League for Arsenal would have been a new challenge for him here. At the beginning of this season, we would have been looking at: – Last season’s excellent squad being strengthened by Rice, Timber, Raya and a 40m attacking player who could have primarily backed up Saka. -Xhaka, Vieira and ESR could have competed for the #8 role. -Gabriel Jesus would be… Read more »