ARSENAL LOW FEES – 5 YEARS IN THE MAKING

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I’m watching the England game while writing this post. I’ve just seen James Maddison get scissored over with a horrible challenge. I find international football so painful to watch. It’s such a massive risk so early on in the season – Gabriel M went off on 85 last night after an impact injury. Not great.

Gareth Southgate has fully embraced his comfort-blanket stage. He has Jordan Pickford in goal, a man who concedes like a sieve and has never played at a high level. He has Harry McGuire starting, a 31-year-old that was de-captained and hasn’t had a good game in 6 years. Jordan Henderson is still getting game time despite moving to another continent on a retirement contract.

This is a manager out of ideas – and a guy who doesn’t truly believe in high performance. Hopefully the rumors of him exiting after the Euros are true. Need to get us a bit of Pep Guardiola in the mix bringing some of that JdP electricity to international football.

In Arsenal news, Nico Pepe was finally sold, for £2.6m. I’m not sure he’s the worst Arsenal signing of all time, but he’s certainly in the top 3 for disappointment. I just can’t get over how a player can lose 186% of his value. £2.6m fits into £72m about 28 times. This is a disgustingly poor transfer.

Did I speak like that when we did the deal? No way. I thought we’d landed. He was the hottest player in France. The fee was massive, but we needed to do something big.

Little did I know – Lille was up to all sorts of dodgy dealings. A club built to create fees for agents. An exBarca contact there that our guy knew. Rumors that Everton were quoted a much lower price. The whole episode ended up smelling like rotten fish – made all the more painful to stomach because the player didn’t deliver. Napoli signed Oshimen for a massive fee and there are all sorts of problems with that one – but at least they landed a decent player.

Niko felt like the start of a new era, when in fact, it was the start of a horrible run under a disgraceful Football Director who ran the club into the ground, putting agents over club time and time again.

The player wasn’t terrible. He had a lot of output. But he lacked focus and discipline. He was built for counter-attacking football and we didn’t really play that game. Then his confidence went, his output dried up, he tanked at Nice last season, and in the end no one would pony up for a player who couldn’t deliver if the wages were £140k a week.

Trabzonspor have taken him on, I’d not be shocked to hear we were picking up some of his wages, there’s a nominal fee that has been put down… we are finally rid of a weight around our neck.

Still, it’s hard to be mad about anything right now. We kicked out the Football Director. We got Edu on a better track. We hired a world class coach. Now the whole club feels like it’s working towards the right things under a process that bangs.

So the clear-out is basically complete. The only two players left that don’t really hit the level are Mo Elneny and Cedric Soares. Mo will stay around because he’s good for the dressing room and doesn’t pick up much of a salary. We’re also well-equipped in midfield. Cedric might have been exited on a free if we didn’t have so many injuries. But overall, you can give the club a B+ for exiting players, but maybe a D for the fees we landed. Rob Holding for £2m really is poor – he’s worth much more than that.

A lot of this feels like a problem of our own making. Primark will never be able to sell a £1000 trenchcoat – because people associate them with budget clothing. Burberry lost control of their famous print pattern in the 90s and had to build a whole strategy around making it scarce again because the brand was not supposed to be worn by the masses. They went after people peddling fake goods and pulled all their licenses that landed their goods in cheap shops. Sears was a struggling retail brand famous for coupons, a big fancy exec from a tech company came in, tried to upscale the product, and killed the coupon book… big mistake, that wasn’t not what the market wanted, and things went south very fast. Why? Because once people get used to your market positioning, it’s hard to retrain them. We are a discount brand. Arsenal spent a lot of time post-Wenger/Emery giving players away… the market now knows if you wait long enough, you can get a coupon player at the end of the window. We are not in the premium game yet. Liverpool, City, and Chelsea certainly are.

One day…

Ok, short one today, listen to the latest podcast. It’s the premium goods. Pay up, right now, be part of the elite. No coupons here baby. x

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Dissenter

Please let’s not start another rabbit hole antivax conversation

Nominate Djokovic for the Nobel prize if you think his actions were so dignified.
He’s already established his GOAT status so these debates are moot.

Jamie

“More like give some facts that it wasn’t experimental, Jamie.”

You made the assertion that it was experimental guinea pig medicine. Any facts to support your position, or?

“Tell us exactly how they know long term effects of medicine cooked up in lab three yrs ago”

lol what? The AstraZeneca vaccine is a viral vector. “Cooked up” in the 1970s. Long term effects include triggering immune responses to malaria, Ebola, Zika, SARS, measles, Covid, influenzas…

Luteo Guenreira

“Tell us exactly how they know long term effects of medicine cooked up in lab three yrs ago and why govts were forced to sign agreements that they not allowed to sue if anything goes wrong.” They don’t. Because of course you don’t. Imagine they told you, “this thing has zero side effects and we are 100% sure there will be nothing wrong years from now” instead of the “yes there are side effects, yes its not 100% effective, yes it won’t be equally effective in all people, yes of course we can’t know what will happen ten and fifty… Read more »

Jamie

Luteo with more sensible talk.

jwl

We have submitted our 25-man List A squad for our upcoming UEFA Champions League group stage matches.

Goalkeepers: Aaron Ramsdale, David Raya, James Hillson

Defenders: Cedric, Lino Sousa, Takehiro Tomiyasu, Oleksandr Zinchenko, Ben White, Gabriel, Jakub Kiwior, William Saliba

Midfielders: Mohamed Elneny, Jorginho, Thomas Partey, Declan Rice, Martin Odegaard, Kai Havertz, Fabio Vieira, Emile Smith Rowe

Forwards: Leandro Trossard, Bukayo Saka, Gabriel Martinelli, Reiss Nelson, Eddie Nketiah, Gabriel Jesus

https://www.arsenal.com/news/25-man-champions-league-squad-selected

Dissenter

Mo Elneny made the grade for the CL
After all that talk about “ruthlessness”

Rich

Jamie…. I’m 100% with you. You couldn’t cook up 3 more trustworthy demographics than politician, the MSM, and pharmaceutical companies… Politicians and security services have never been caught trying to control the flow of information through Social Media, or search engine algorithms during the pandemic, or before elections. Pharmaceutical companies have a 100% track record of safety, I doubt the billions of pounds at stake even crossed their minds, they’ve clearly only got our health + wellbeing at heart. The MSM media isn’t about target demographics, advertising revenue, viewing figures, or click bait…. They’re just trying to report real information… Read more »

Jamie

Luteo – “yes there are side effects, yes its not 100% effective, yes it won’t be equally effective in all people, yes of course we can’t know what will happen ten and fifty years from now because we’re not fucking time travelers, but based on the fact that our careers and lives are based on working on stuff like this we think it’s safe and this is the best option” This is a slam dunk. Potential side effects of the Covid vaccine include: ringing in your ears confusion hallucinations rapid breathing seizures severe nausea vomiting bloody stools (hi don) heartburn… Read more »

Luteo Guenreira

Rich We’re talking about vaccines and science, not politics and governments. Unless you think Hank down at the lab is the one actually calling the shots. “Politicians and security services have never been caught trying to control the flow of information through Social Media, or search engine algorithms during the pandemic, or before elections.” This bit especially being used to support your case that misinformation is dangerous….considering that anti-vax movements have been one of the largest examples of misinformation being spread on social media ever and research shows that all that bad info basically started from a handful of blogs.… Read more »

Dissenter

I’m waiting for Un to join your conversation, then it will get interesting

Rich

My point is that anyone who wholeheartedly trusts their government, everything they’re told in the media as fact, or don’t at least have a healthy dose of scepticism regarding the intentions of pharmaceutical companies… Is incredibly naive. I’m on the fence with this vaccine, I didn’t take it because I’d already had Covid, and preferred to rely on natural immunity. But don’t care if others took it, or didn’t take it, do whatever you want. I just don’t think anyone should ever be forced to take something that they’re not comfortable with, and certainly don’t believe anyone who has some… Read more »

Luteo Guenreira

“Politicians and security services have never been caught trying to control the flow of information through Social Media, or search engine algorithms during the pandemic, or before elections.Pharmaceutical companies have a 100% track record of safety, I doubt the billions of pounds at stake even crossed their minds, they’ve clearly only got our health + wellbeing at heart.The MSM media isn’t about target demographics, advertising revenue, viewing figures, or click bait…. They’re just trying to report real information in real time, with absolutely no slant or bias…. And there’s certainly no social engineering at play.” I find it so fucking… Read more »

Un

TomSeptember 11, 2023 12:17:49
“Rich has a rottweiler? What are you afraid of? ……”Poor people coming around for a handout.

Rich
Nobel cause
I support you

jwl

What kind of vaccine is this, Jamie and Luteo? When I was child I got the MMR vaccine and those diseases are not a problem, it’s a curious vaccine which makes you more susceptible to disease the more you vaccinated.

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WebMD, Sept 2022 – “Almost half the people who were hospitalized with COVID-19 last spring had been fully vaccinated and received a third dose or booster shot, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says.”

BacaryisGod

Rich-I say this with love and respect, but you are a much more lucid thinker when it comes to Arsenal than on some other matters.

Jamie

jwl –

WebMD, Sept 2022 – “Almost half the people who were hospitalized with COVID-19 last spring had been fully vaccinated and received a third dose or booster shot, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says.”

The next line of this article which you omitted:

“Unvaccinated adults were 3.4 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID than those who were vaccinated”

Honestly stop.

jwl

I was surprised Lino Sousa was included in our 25 man champ lge squad. We been hearing a lot about Walters recently so I assumed it was Ruell going to be doing defense backup if needed this season but it looks like Sousa is the player getting thrown into deep end this year. From arsenal.com “A dynamic and rapid left back, Lino made an instant impact at under-18 level after joining us from West Bromwich Albion midway through last season. He was quickly escalated into the under-23s and scored against in the 3-3 Premier League 2 draw with Manchester City… Read more »

jwl

The vaccinated not meant to hospitalized at all, Jamie, or else you not vaccinated and that my point.

Luteo Guenreira

Jwl Hahah why are you asking questions you don’t really care to understand or want the answer to? Firstly, measles is not gone and a lot of unvaccinated children still get it. Secondly, immunization is not that simple. It takes time to build. And just like muscles after exercise, it can build differently on every single person. You might not recall this but do you know how many MMR vaccines you got in total? And why there’s a MMR booster, which you undoubtedly got at some point, so despite what you think it wasn’t a miraculous “one shot for everybody… Read more »

Matt B

Luteo: 👋

Markymark

The Guardian newspaper is a far-left propaganda machine… Once you understand who their target demographics are… The media starts making much more sense. – OMG Rich – it was anti Corbyn and is barely to the left of Conservative Home on a number of issues. Simon Jenkins one of their main feature writers is often to the right on many issues. The only way you can see the Guardian as being extreme left wing is if you’ve ventured so far to the right you find the Telegraph dangerously radical. There is no real mass produced far left paper indeed when… Read more »

bacaryisgod

You nailed it Markymark

bacaryisgod

This looks about right.

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias

Josip Skoblar

Tennis players nowadays are stronger and technically better than players 30 or 40 years ago. This said, no grand slam final today will ever reach the level of drama and excitement than the Borg-McEnroe finals in the late 70s-early 80s. Those games were epic from start to finish, a real matter of life and death.

bacaryisgod

Clay, Grass and Hard are such different surfaces that it’s almost like three different sports. As such, Nadal is the greatest clay court player of all-time, Federer the greatest grass court player of all-time and Djokovic the greatest hard court player of all-time.

Based on performance and longevity, Djokovic is the greatest overall player of all-time.

Markymark

bacaryisgod – thanks for the link I looked that up and I’d suggest it’s about right. What is perhaps a more present issue is not right or left but whether you support post Second World War consensus or not. Trump doesn’t but Nicky Hailey does. Boris played around with it virtual signalling all the time depending on how his ego was playing but I’m guessing would have followed it. Corbyn was against Starmer is pro. I’m looking at Suella thinking she’d go to any swamp to drag up a vote so I’m saying she’s anti The issue is becoming are… Read more »

Nigel Tufnel

Jwl…… good comment.

Josip Skoblar

Very moving encounter between Ian Wright and his old school teacher who believed in him. A very emotional Wrighty…
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuWrz_RuZw-/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Nigel Tufnel

Rich,

Good healthy skepticism is the best policy these days.

Wicked Willy

This might be the most shocking stat I’ve seen all season. Shines a completely different light on things:

https://twitter.com/CannonStats/status/1701375322275348914?s=20

Goobergooner

AfcF,

Thanks a lot for that reply. I do remember the way Aussie news channels acted like pure C*”#s towards him throughout that debacle
. Definitely didn’t know about water’s transformative properties though haha.

Goobergooner

Hahaha of course Un would have a rottweiler, you’d fit right in with the bogans down under 😂😂😂

Sids comment takes the cake “Tennis has has lost its meaning without anna kournikova”.

Followed by Jamie and luteo.

As much as I hate interlul, le grove literally always comes up with the goods

Goobergooner

Wicked Willy, At least that is promising from havertz. If Arteta can build up Sterling’s striking ability and we know how saka has evolved his shot under tets then maybe we may get somewhere with havertz. I am still bewildered as to why on earth we forked out so much cash on both fee and wage for him, but it is going to take time for him to settle into the system. Once he can move in sync with the players around him rather than muddling up and being on top of his team mates we will at least see… Read more »

Goobergooner

WW
What I will say in that is we all knew havertz performed under his xa and xg at Chelsea. So who actually knows if he can pull it together.
The one thing that is certain is that tets will persist until he’s proven right or can’t possibly consider playing him.

BacaryisGod

Not you too, Sid?! Ugh

BacaryisGod

We can agree on that, Sid.

Markymark

Poor nutrition, overcrowded spaces(including hospitals), and poor hygiene made both the 2019 flu & spanish flu worse. – didn’t help reduce the Black Death and plague either

Goobergooner

I thank God for modern medicine

Mr Serge

I wonder if Sid talks to people in real life like he does here with short little monologues that would be hilarious.

Markymark

Rich, Good healthy skepticism is the best policy these days. – if that scepticism expands across to Fox , Newsmax , GB News etc then that’s a reasonable position to take. However so many of these great Seer’s these individuals who label the world Sheeple and god knows what are sadly doing the exact same thing they accuse others of doing but actually more so. Sat in front of their media of choice lapping up content unquestionably. Nodding at Tucker Carlson while conveniently ignoring that Tuckers private texts suggest he doesn’t believe a word of what he is saying at… Read more »

Markymark

Sid – vector or not there’s something slightly different in how late medieval life was lived compared to today.
The heroic people of Eyam were likely infected by wool sent up from London. It’s highly likely to have then become pneumonic as they were relatively spaced out living an idyllic a life as was then possible. The village then made a heroic decision to self isolate.
I won’t charge for this information

Markymark

Black Death – may have been a Marburg type virus and not bubonic plague – Britain wasn’t rat plagued at this time. Some clever social historians have looked at ancient dovecotes to show they had dove cubby holes relatively low so suggesting little rat risk. Rat skeleton remains are also low at this time. Ticks and lice were likely spreaders so likely vector but also hygiene related

AFC Forever

Bacaryisgod “….Nadal the greatest clay court player of all time, Federer the greatest grass court player of all-time and Djokovic the greatest hard court player of all-time.Based on performance and longevity, Djokovic is the greatest overall player of all-time.” It’s impossible to compare era’s.. There are so many things that have changed, including the equipment used. Nobody uses wooden rackets today, which produce less power and had smaller strung surfaces. The days of McEnroe, Borg, Connors, Sampras, Becker etc to name but a few ,were great times of competition. Imagine being able to create a tournament with players from all… Read more »

Un

Sid again coming with logic and nobody has any rung to say

Luteo and Jamie
I have a question for you
Why did the manufacturers seek legal immunity before distributing their vaccines on this particular vaccine?
Shouldn’t that serve as a huge warning?

Rich

MarkyMark You’re a grown man who supports UBI, which basically equates to you supporting other tax payers going to work to put food on the table for you, and putting clothes on your back. I’m not saying all lefties are lazy, self entitled, freeloading, parasitic scum, with fuck all going on between their ears….. Well actually I am saying that. The welfare state should be there to help people back on their feet, not condemn them to state dependency in perpetuity. The government aren’t equipped to inherit millions of dependants in perpetuity, they don’t create anything, and neither should they… Read more »

FB

You are wasting your time Rich 🙂

Mind you, I enjoyed this:

“Tax Me Harder”
“Govern Me Harder”
“ Inject Me With anything You Want”

Could have added “Lock me down Harder” 🙂

You cannot reason with people who are so fundamentally different. Anyway, society needs people to do the public sector type work.

Markymark

Un – any manufacturer with half a brain would have sort out this protection particularly in such a litigation friendly and group action friendly country as the US. Though rare there have been previous attempts to sue the US government so legal advisors may well have suggested it. Without truly knowing what you are like. I’d lay a pound down that you have moaned non stop about free loaders and ambulance chasing legal companies. Yet if it’s:something you believe in like Covid conspiracy you’d be into that free legal number on speed dial . The legal defence taken is to… Read more »

Un

Also Astra was banned in dozens of countries Pfizer has been proved to be a dangerous to young men at very alarming numbers Johnson’s baby powder was found to carry cancer inducing components Then you had falidomode (however you spell it) These are just the famous examples There are many many more of these people putting things out that were not safe and they knew about it So much malpractice to continue their profits There’s been a consistent attempt to prevent facts from being put into the public sphere and misinformation from the people who stand to profit most. Why… Read more »

Un

Marky

No. This was in the U.K. too and every other country
This was global
A blanket free pass for every manufacturer. This has never happened ever.
Why? Why didn’t world governments say “well hang on, what if this starts causing blood clots, strokes, heart attacks and eventually cancer to our constituents?”

Markymark

Rich – you’ve made a big jump – I don’t actually support UBI. I’ve actually worked my whole life without ever taking state aid. Though I believe in the social state. However with AI about to slaughter the job market so there will be NO jobs available to wide segments of the community. (An executive at one Bank suggests becoming a skilled artisan and I can see his point.) The removal and transfer over from the welfare state created by Beveridge / Keynes etc for a 1940’s Britain will need radical overhaul. Repeat you can shout your frontiersman I stand… Read more »

Un

I’m not saying all lefties are lazy, self entitled, freeloading, parasitic scum, with fuck all going on between their ears….. Well actually I am saying that. Rich 😂 😂 But I must say, champagne socialists are a different breed They want their riches safe guarded and live in the nicest areas but claim they are about the welfare of the needy and downtrodden Labour claim they are for the average working man and woman but their candidates often show their contempt when given the opportunity Diane Abbott Emily thornbury and who can forget Gordon brown calling that old lady bigoted… Read more »

EdTheRed

The Guardian newspaper is a far-left propaganda machine…

This is beyond stupid.

Markymark

Un – the manufacturers don’t want to serve time in prison or fighting a massive court case for the whole of their lives. Legal immunity would spur on production in record time. You forget that US law effectively calls in any individual from any country if it believes an illegal exchange has taken place electronically or by other means. Therefore a class action in the states could cause an international arrest warrant. Very sensible of the manufacturers to request this

Markymark

Un – who can forget Liz Truss talking about the risk to British cheese or Donny Boy suggesting you imbibe bleach with the camera and microphone on 😂 😂 😂
Who can forget Liz fighting socialists by nearly crashing the UK pension industry 😂 😂 😂 in fact who can ever forget poor little Kwame

Un

Marky You make some valid points there but is UBI the best solution? Should we be supporting something that hands more power to the elites and less agency to average people? Won’t this just create a biblical scale feckless underclass who cash their cheques and produce nothing? People need purpose. I’d say even distribution of land is a superior alternative to ubi. Teach people to grow our own food (seasonal veg and fruit) and keep small amounts of livestock for eggs and meat. As well as being able to work with our hands Something useful so that we can actually… Read more »

Un

Obviously this won’t work for everyone as we need experts in engineering, medicine, law etc and we need public services but giving people their own land and home and raising quality food production would raise the standard of living for people at the bottom, give those who are at risk from AI an alternative (they could also go into manual labour as you said) in the job market.

Un

There’s is still over 90% of available land in the U.K.
Yet we are all crammed into cities

Emiratesstroller

Reverting back to Pedro’s original post I agree with him that Pepe was not a “bad footballer”. On occasions he played very well. The real problem with Pepe was that he lacked a “football brain”. He could be unplayable when he did not think about what he was doing. The reality is that in the EPL you need to think as well as play. Perhaps in a lower league on the continent you can get away with reliance on instinct. Let us hope that Pepe is the last of the large transfer investments which the club needs to write off… Read more »

Markymark

Rich – this isn’t a champagne socialist thing ( though many on the left support it as well as radical elements on the right ). The end of productive capitalism whether you call this in 1950/70 or 80 has happened. Germany , France and Italy have been more determined to hold onto their industrial base. The US and UK have let it rot which pretty much answers why people turned to Trump. Consumer capitalism can only be maintained in high employment. High costs of retail units via unrestrained land owning companies is already killing off retail. Face to face is… Read more »

Markymark

Un – the lack of purpose in society will be horrendous. It’s for that very reason I suspect that UBI is gaining traction with the thought that credit chip in pocket will reduce insularity to a degree. Personally I’d prefer a UN convention on AI with very strict control of usage. I’d also shift corporate tax system to promote societal benefit so . Banks that slash branches pay more tax . Banks that keep branches open etc pay less. Probably extremely difficult to manage but it would create a societal engagement which has been ripped out of life in the… Read more »

Markymark

Back to football!

Markymark

EmiratesStroller – you’d hope that there is a productive angle in the contact whereby sale performance is reviewed. I’d guess a Walmart by marriage Billionaire hates write offs. So further down the line it would be job defining. At the moment on paper we have a massive asset bubble. Would Trossard’s theoretical transfer fee now be equivalent to Jason Sancho? We have oddly mirrored UTD in many ways post Wenger. I see Arsenal as having pushed onwards I see UTD as repeating the same mistakes over and over

Markymark

Jason* Jadon 😂

raptora

I was the best man on a wedding this weekend and I come up to this.

International breaks are the worst.

AFC Forever

raptora

Something we can agree on.

Hope the day went well. I too have been through that nerve wrenching best man role.

Rich

MarkyMark Retail is collapsing because the way people shop is changing…. They’ve also convinced a whole generation that the world owes them something for nothing, and believe they can just loot. But once the shops close down, they’ll then move onto looting houses, warehouses, and directly from source. Anyone with talent, innovation, investment, will leave in their droves, and all that will be left will be parasites with nobody left to leach off, In some states they’ve turned theft under $995 into a misdemeanour, which is rarely prosecuted, which means people are just going out and looting, instead of working…… Read more »

Jamie

Un – “Astra was banned in dozens of countries” This is absolutely false. Not a single country outright ‘banned’ the AstraZeneca vaccine. 17 countries (not dozens) suspended the rollout of AstraZeneca because it was found that mRNA vaccines provide better protection than vector, and western countries have the infrastructure in place to store and dispense mRNA vaccines. AZ is still widely used in developing countries because less complicated logistics for storage. “Pfizer has been proved to be a dangerous to young men at very alarming numbers” Complete horseshit. Alarming numbers? Something like 6 reported cases of myocarditis (I assume that’s… Read more »

Bob N16

Rich, please stick to football otherwise I will routinely ignore all your posts not just your personal world view nonsense.

Foxy

Rich the only thing certain is change and no empires are everlasting. The Roman empire collapsed due to Political/ Infighting, mass illegal immigration (Goths, Visigoths, Huns etc.) and incompetent Emperors The Mongol empires collapsed due to Political/ Infighting and drunken/debauched leaders The Ottoman Empire collapsed mainly due to economic decline and outside forces e.g. WW1 The USSR collapsed due to corruption and incompetent leadership The USA “empire” is in decline due to political infighting, corruption, mass illegal immigration and incompetent leadership. The British empire declined years ago and post Brexit is in its final death throws under economic pressure, due… Read more »

AFC Forever

Bob N16 Bit unfair to single our Rich. He’s simply providing an alternative opinion to that of others. I’m not going to take sides in political commentary’s because people take it all far too seriously. Politics is where friends become enemies faster than in any other subject matter. My own view is that it should be kept off a football blog for that very reason because it soon escalates!! Scotland v England tonight, what a pointless friendly. I just hope none of our players are risked. Southgate saying he won’t experiment worries the life out of me, not that anything… Read more »

Rich

Bob Sorry…. I won’t give out any more spoilers lol. This just cracks me up, and is making me unwell at the minute. It’s like watching a brutal car crash in slow motion, with the outcome and wreckage from the carnage, so utterly avoidable, and so entirely predictable. Don’t say I didn’t try warning you though….. You might not like what I’m saying, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong on our trajectory…. Those who are ahead of the curve are rarely popular, whether they’re predicting good or bad outcomes. Anyway… I’ll give this place a miss for a bit, point… Read more »

AFC Forever

Did anyone watch the clips on Tubes and Ange Golf Life youtube channel with Declan Rice? Asked if he was nervous meeting his new team-mates, Rice said: “You play against these guys twice a season and if you get them in the cup, three times. You shake their hands after. And you’re playing international level so the lads know who you are anyway.” “I was a bit nervous. The first day I was down there on the Sunday. The lads weren’t in but I come out of the physio room and Arteta, just like little things he does, he put… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

Mudymark The problem with transfers particularly those involving the leading clubs in EPL is that we are obliged to pay inflated transfer fees for players including those who are untested. Arsenal have landed up paying transfer fees which most clubs in Europe and lower levels of EPL will not pay. Most of the recent acquisitions in last two years [4 transfer windows] are good value. We paid a premium for Declan Rice, but he is a top player in the position he plays. Odegaard, Jesus, Zinchenko, Timber and Trossard were good value and some might say cheap. I would not… Read more »

Dissenter

‘ The one player I have serious misgivings about is Havertz. He is not worth £65 million or the top wages we are paying. Frankly Chelsea would have accepted £45-50 Million for this player. They needed and wanted to offload him.’ Havertz is the reason why I’ll always hesitate to overly bash Raul for signing Pepe. Pepe’s record at Arsenal is rightly universally regarded as a flop, yet we’ve gone to do a similar deal with Chelsea for a player whose record at Chelsea is no better. Worse still we are paying that player £200k weekly wages which will make… Read more »

Foxy

ES it is interesting how many super inflated transfer fees are based on a combination of Hype and Hope rather than actual proven ability, maybe due to an acute shortage of available payers in the latter category.

Pepe, Mudryk, Lavia, Caicedo, Vierra instantly spring to mind, none of these actually having more than one season at a high level if that. There was also the 18 year old Portuguese forward who Wolves paid over £30m for a coupe of season ago and probably many more to list.

Emiratesstroller

Dissenter

Havertz is Arsenal’s top earner by all accounts and being paid well north of £250 K pw.

On current form I doubt that we could recoup half what we paid for him.

So we will have to suffer and hope that he improves.

Chris

“Sugar, Pasteurized milk, seed oils, refined grains and many more are bad for you @bacisgod”

Hope you meant refined sugars.

Naturally occurring Sugar is demonised when it shouldn’t be. Refined Sugar + sat and trans fat = very bad combo

And yep, England v Scotland tonight, slightly more interesting than the normal international fare. Hope none of our guys get hurt.

Bob N16

AFCF, I only single out Rich because I enjoy reading his views on football and Arsenal but find his take on other matters, shall we say easy to ignore!

Emiratesstroller

Chris

I hope that Rice and Saka do not play tonight.

We know how Scotland respond to games against England.

Un

Jamie
Do you only respond to the cherry picked bits that suit you?
I don’t believe that vaccine injuries are being accurately recorded but I do know that death numbers are higher than ever and certainly higher than during the height of the pandemic.
Why?
Doesn’t it strike you as odd? And that the media and politicians are so quiet about it? Close ranks. Hush it up.
A doctor actually told me personally in June 2020
It was bullshit (get actual words) but that she would lose her job if she made her view public.

Northbanker

“Havertz is the reason why I’ll always hesitate to overly bash Raul for signing Pepe.”

Yeah i know but I’m trying to suppress my instant judgement on Havertz because we do need to see a lot more of him first. We are only 4 games in and we really need to see if that player who performed brilliantly in the Bundesliga can be re-discovered. MA clearly thinks so.

And we as fans must get behind him, whatever doubts we may be harbouring

Dissenter

Northbanker
My comment was about his middling record at Chelsea, no different from Pepe’s record at Arsenal
He’ll get his chances no doubt , since the manager who’s brought him in has a vested interest to help him succeed. He’ll get more chan

AFC Forever

Bob N16 Fair enough mate. Wonder what boring Southgate will do tonight?. Will he use the friendly to rest Rice and Saka and give players like Dunk, Eze, Tomori, Rashford game time? Nope. I suspect he won’t want to risk losing this friendly now he’s finally being called out on his boring team selections & bizarre comments about Foden and Maguire. I expect tow pivots, possibly three, with Harry Superman Kane playing 50 yards behind everyone else as if he’s the reincarnation of Glen Hoddle. Behind him Harry Maguire will be moving around like a refrigerator on a months supply… Read more »

China1

Lol @ Pogba what a tool

It’s quite stunning that in modern sport (aside from cycling where it’s a given) that people are still taking PEDs knowing the probability of getting caught is surely so high.

What’s the actual point?

Especially for someone like pogba who when he can be arsed is an immensely talented player.

Only sport where I give it a pass is cycling because EVERYONE is doing it. Winner of the Tour de France is the worlds best cheater. Credit where it’s due as all the comp is also juicing lol.

Jamie

“Do you only respond to the cherry picked bits that suit you?”

I didn’t cherry pick, I responded to your first two points, debunking them both. I assumed you started with your strongest arguments in support of your beliefs, so moving down the list seemed pointless given the top two were completely wrong.

If you disregard verifiable evidence that counters your misguided beliefs, you’re essentially a flat-Earther and you’ll likely have more fun spinning conspiracy theories with others who share your worldview.

p.s. “A doctor told me” is anecdotal. You know that, right?

Bob N16

AFCF My two wishes tonight are that Eddie makes his debut and no injuries to Saka and Rice. Southgate is far too conservative. England have the clear beating of all but a few countries, with qualifying an almost given. Playing Maguire was ridiculous, as it denied another, less experienced player, like Colwill or Tomori, a chance to benefit from playing in a meaningful match. Similarly, it’s important to give our best players, experience playing together; Foden should have started with Bellingham at 8, giving Rice, Bellingham, Foden and Saka time to interact. For England to win a tournament, everything needs… Read more »

AFC Forever

Bob N16 Agree with your comments. We have a fantastic pool of young talent and I find it frustrating that Southgate doesn’t know how to use them. He’s a safety first coach who distrusts flair players. His comments about Foden were bordering on the bizarre. He’s getting good results because of the players he has, not because of his tactics. These players are screaming out for a better manager because we have a lot of talent coming through. When he talks about experience to shoe-horn Maguire and Henderson into the team, it’s because he’s too scared to trust younger players.… Read more »

Arsnil

Pogba gets caught taking performance enhacing drugs while not actually playing. He was an unused sub. Kinda sums him up doesn’t it!!

Arsnil

Is there no beginning to his talents

Chris

Not that I care too much but I doubt England will win anything with Southgate. Playing Maguire and Henderson is frankly laughable. We all know about Maguire and Henderson has chosen semi retirement in a circus league. He shouldn’t be anywhere close to consideration for NT selection.

I’d go as far to say as sack Southgate now, being in an exciting and attack minded coach for Euro 24. Previous examples of countries doing this shortly before a tournament and going on to win.

andy1886

Southgate makes no sense (unsurprisingly). Why doesn’t Pep play Foden centrally more often would generally be answered as: KDB (yes I know he’s out injured but the general point stands).

You’d also have to point out that if Pep not playing Foden there is reason for him to not do so why is that not also true of Maguire who can’t even get in the side at United yet still plays for England?

The guy got lucky with the talent available and hasn’t made the most of them.

Chris

“Maguire brings leadership in the dressing room like Xhaka”

They were both stripped of the captaincy at their respective clubs

Tom

“Only sport where I give it a pass is cycling because EVERYONE is doing it. Winner of the Tour de France is the worlds best cheater.’

Give a pass to all Russian athletes as well who come under pressure to deliver medals for mother Russia in return for state sponsorships, and aren’t in position to decline doping when suggested by their handlers.
Which we know is a sign of strong leadership of course.

Dissenter

Sickens me to see Cedric Soares included in the CL squad, rather than the likes of Ruell Walters Cedric hardly played for Fulham last season on loan because he was a million miles behind Kenny Tete Tete is a top player no doubt but we are talking about a senior player from Arsenal here. Now he’s back in the squad ahead of academy talent who’ve trained with the first squad since the preseason of 2022, talent that the manager won’t stop praising but will never play. That certainly makes the point I’ve been making persistently about Arteta and the dearth… Read more »

Dissenter

…and I know there’s a B-list for the CL, but ffs reward some of these young players who are busting their guts trying to punch through.

jwl

I agree, Dissenter. Why do Cedric and Elneny have spot in our champ league squad when they are already our past. I was surprised Sousa was only youth to be part of our 25 man team, surely we have youngsters who would get some valuable experience.

Josip Skoblar

🗣️| William Saliba on Arsenal: “I’ve felt like more a part of the family since I came here after the loan spells, and that’s how it is here. There’s a great feeling here and football is like that anyway. “Every year new players come into the group, and the others make them feel welcome. It’s the same this year too. New players have joined, we did not know them before, but you help them become part of the family. “You learn about everyone, about every culture. You get to learn a lot about new cultures, and I like it when… Read more »

Dissenter

jwl
I’m pragmatic enough to know the likes of Sousa, Walters and Neaneri will likely not get games in the CL but naming them just breathes life on the academy and gives those players a chance to push even harder.
Soares and Elneny’s Arsenal tenure to me is no better than Pepe, whom we’ve rightly let go off. Why are they still blocking the path of other players?

jwl

You never know, Dissenter. Giving youth 15 minutes at end of match, perhaps one or two of games will be dead rubbers and we can play whoever we want.